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Terry28
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I agree with Baja Steve......not much baja stuff here anymore...just bs bickering......some of you guys need to get a life....
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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yup, like any good garden - it needs some pruning
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TMW
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If you want to talk about Baja then post something about it.
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I am collecting payments from Social Security, and a union pension. Neither plan will provide even a peso per liter when I fill up in San Felipe!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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A clean up on the gas price aisle!
When those who wanted to Top Off this thread with Off Topic comments, a Toxic spill occurred. Fortunately for those who are interested in the price
of fuel in San Felipe, it got cleaned up! 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Don Pisto
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just reported Gbay has gas today.....earlier it was reported el Dorado was out.
now get back to your socialism bs
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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David K
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Thanks Don Pisto, we will see for ourselves next week and who know what we will find!??!
Today, a few miles from my home here in North San Diego County, I topped-off my truck's 3/4-full-tank with less-than-6 gallons for $35, at a Citgo
(7-11) station. Regular was $5.95/ gallon.
When I get back from Baja in eight days, it may be $7/ gallon!!??
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Thanks Don Pisto, we will see for ourselves next week and who know what we will find!??!
Today, a few miles from my home here in North San Diego County, I topped-off my truck's 3/4-full-tank with less-than-6 gallons for $35, at a Citgo
(7-11) station. Regular was $5.95/ gallon.
When I get back from Baja in eight days, it may be $7/ gallon!!?? |
Dk: you will enjoy Mexico, because socialism keeps the gasoline prices low!
I know it has been many years since you traveled to Mexico — things have changed — do you need me to provide you with an updated map?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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David K
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Oh would you, please. Photos too! I won't hold my breath.
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An explanation of how Mexico keeps gasoline prices so cheap:
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/mexico-fuel-subsidies-won-...
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John Harper
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So, Pemex is subsidizing not only it's stations, but those of private oil companies as well. Nice. Privatize profit, socialize loss.
John
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Hi John: I must have missed where the private companies were being subsidized. I am certainly not a rank Socialist, but I find myself in agreement
with this move. In unusual spikes to the price of a basic commodity that is a necessity to provide food, water and all other essential items it makes
sense to me to manage the necessities' costs by using the excess of excise taxes the government receives to keep the energy costs down.
Other countries are adding higher climate taxes at the same time their excise taxes are going through the roof, multiplying the effect of inflationary
pressures on the poorest people in a temporary spike.
The secondary benefit to this move is increased visits by foreigners which will add even more revenues to the economy.
[Edited on 3-25-2022 by JDCanuck]
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John Harper
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Well, it seems rather intuitive. If they aren't also subsidizing the private companies then gas at Pemex would be substantially cheaper than the
private gasoline providers. How else would Shell, etc. be able to compete? They certainly would not drop prices out of the goodness of their heart.
I'm not a rank socialist either, just a student of global economics. Modern economies all have a mix of socialism and capitalism. Only the willfully
ignorant have a problem understanding that concept. And, it's clear that you're not among them.
I do agree that in times of economic upheaval that the government can act to stabilize markets. Blasphemy to some, but still a necessary function as
you describe.
John
[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper]
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Well, it seems rather
intuitive. If they aren't also subsidizing the private companies then gas at Pemex would be substantially cheaper than the private gasoline
providers. How else would Shell, etc. be able to compete? |
I can understand your thinking, but it does seem kind of counterintuitive that Pemex would actually subsidize its
(¿foreign-based?) competition.
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I agree, but......
Do you have a better theory? I've got an open mind if you do!
John
[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper]
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David K
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MAYBE this is the answer?
Pemex provides the gasoline to (all) distributors in Mexico.
Think of it as a two-Pemex-world. One Pemex (government owned) provides gasoline to the stations (all stations) and the 'other' Pemex (franchise
owned) sells it to the drive-up customers.
So, socialism (government owned business) and capitalism (privately owned business).
Why (I think) this is 'wrong' is that government is making money selling the fuel and then making money again by taxing the stations selling it. We
know the oil industry was not a government invention in Mexico. It was provided by nationalizing private businesses some 90 years ago.
Government's purpose should be to provide only those services that cannot be provided better by private business. Such as national defense, fraud
prevention, and judicial matters.
[Edited on 3-25-2022 by David K]
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Government's purpose should be to provide only those services that cannot be provided better by private business. Such as national defense, fraud
prevention, and judicial matters. |
Yet the Preamble to the US Constitution clearly states one purpose of government is to "insure domestic tranquility" and another to "promote the
general welfare" of it's citizens, in addition to national defense and justice. You missed that part. Nothing about fraud prevention is written
into the Constitution, can you cite where it is located? Fraud laws likely fall under the Commerce Clause, but not a fundamental function of
government as described in the Preamble.
John
[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper]
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AKgringo
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
I agree, but......
Do you have a better theory? I've got an open mind if you do!
John
[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper] |
Price fixing comes to mind.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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John Harper
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Can you describe how this "price fixing" takes place? Can you define "price fixing" in this market? Expand your theory, please.
John
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Government's purpose should be to provide only those services that cannot be provided better by private business. Such as national defense, fraud
prevention, and judicial matters. |
Yet the Preamble to the US Constitution clearly states one purpose of government is to "insure domestic tranquility" and another to "promote the
general welfare" of it's citizens, in addition to national defense and justice. You missed that part. Nothing about fraud prevention is written
into the Constitution, can you cite where it is located? Fraud laws likely fall under the Commerce Clause, but not a fundamental function of
government as described in the Preamble.
John
[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper] |
I didn't restrict my comments to only the federal government.
The Department of Weights and Measures, come to mind. If a store or gas station tweaks the measuring device to cheat the consumer, an unbiassed agency
needs to enforce anti-fraud practices.
As for "domestic tranquility" (law enforcement) the current governments of many cities and states get a big F... and so does the federal when the
states failed.
The "promote the general welfare" part means government is to make sure the ability of its citizens to provide products and services, to employ
others, and to help others, can take place. This does not mean government should compete against citizens with its unfair advantages (not needing to
make a profit as it survives on tax money instead of good business).
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Government's purpose should be to provide only those services that cannot be provided better by private business. Such as national defense, fraud
prevention, and judicial matters. |
Yet the Preamble to the US Constitution clearly states one purpose of government is to "insure domestic tranquility" and another to "promote the
general welfare" of it's citizens, in addition to national defense and justice. You missed that part. Nothing about fraud prevention is written
into the Constitution, can you cite where it is located? Fraud laws likely fall under the Commerce Clause, but not a fundamental function of
government as described in the Preamble.
John
[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper] |
I didn't restrict my comments to only the federal government.
The Department of Weights and Measures, come to mind. If a store or gas station tweaks the measuring device to cheat the consumer, an unbiassed agency
needs to enforce anti-fraud practices.
As for "domestic tranquility" (law enforcement) the current governments of many cities and states get a big F... and so does the federal when the
states failed.
The "promote the general welfare" part means government is to make sure the ability of its citizens to provide products and services, to employ
others, and to help others, can take place. This does not mean government should compete against citizens with its unfair advantages (not needing to
make a profit as it survives on tax money instead of good business). |
Let's just agree that we disagree in some areas. I'm okay with that.
John
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