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4x4abc
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gates all over Baja
here is an idea
how about a database for gates
fenced, locked, open, cattle guard, guard post
(like David's km list)
I'll volunteer to maintain it
and make it available online
all I need is your exact GPS input
I have about 950 to date
Harald Pietschmann
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JZ
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[Edited on 3-22-2022 by JZ]
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mtgoat666
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master key:
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David K
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Perhaps your best post, goat!!!   
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4x4abc
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master keys - bolt cutters
cool
just last week I ignored a gate (on foot) and was escorted out by ranchers armed with rifles
we may have overstayed our welcome
Harald Pietschmann
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BajaBlanca
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Ranchers armed with rifles is pretty serious!
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David K
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Baja was once the land with "Hardly Any Fences"
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A friend and I were at an off road race near Ojos Negros several years ago and as we driving just north of the Indian village on the Compadre Trail we
were stopped by a truck full of angry men with rifles and shotguns.
The were looking for one of the men's daughter. Seems she ran off with some guy and they were out to get em. We had not seen the car they were in so
they thanked us and moved on.
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Maderita
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Thank you for volunteering your time to the community Harald. Great idea for a helpful database.
Here's one for your collection:
Guard shack with barrier. Local rancher calls it the "pluma". South of La Rumorosa on the dirt road to Laguna Hanson/parque nacional. Ejido Aubanel
Vallejo.
32°29'35.20"N 116° 3'27.89"W
Google Earth does not show the guard shack, constructed in recent years.
Current status: The barrier is lowered most of the time on weekends and sometimes during the week during daylight hours. No hassles, no fee, and just
a few seconds for the barrier to be raised.
[Edited on 3-22-2022 by Maderita]
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Maderita
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A suggestion on the slight chance that you haven't already found a better way:
How about placemark pins on a Google Earth map? Color coded for locked, unlocked, fee, etc. Current status & brief notes in the description, which
can be edited with updates.
You're almost certainly way ahead of me. What is your concept?
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by Maderita  | A suggestion on the slight chance that you haven't already found a better way:
How about placemark pins on a Google Earth map? Color coded for locked, unlocked, fee, etc. Current status & brief notes in the description, which
can be edited with updates.
You're almost certainly way ahead of me. What is your concept? |
Benchmark Maps will be glad to get a list of locked gates for the next edition of the Baja Atlas, I am sure. I added a couple when I worked on the
First Edition, like the one on the Pole Line Road.
We need to add the Montevideo and Mission San Fernando locked gates, too.
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Bajaboy
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Maybe the fences are to keep the bad hombres and rapists out
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by Maderita | A suggestion on the slight chance that you haven't already found a better way:
How about placemark pins on a Google Earth map? Color coded for locked, unlocked, fee, etc. Current status & brief notes in the description, which
can be edited with updates.
You're almost certainly way ahead of me. What is your concept? |
that's exactly what i have
for most I even have images
Harald Pietschmann
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | | Quote: Originally posted by Maderita | A suggestion on the slight chance that you haven't already found a better way:
How about placemark pins on a Google Earth map? Color coded for locked, unlocked, fee, etc. Current status & brief notes in the description, which
can be edited with updates.
You're almost certainly way ahead of me. What is your concept? |
that's exactly what i have
for most I even have images |
I suggest you use some of the already available share sites. Openstreetmap.org might work well for something like this.
In climbing world you got sites like summitpost.
Lots of existing platforms to share backcountry beta.
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4x4abc
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in the south almost everything is off limits now
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Lee
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A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
yes, you are missing something
gates in Baja have several different functions
seasoned Baja travelers know that well
Harald Pietschmann
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
Gringos tend to think gates are optional in Baja.
Many of these same gringos lose their chit if a Mexican opens a gate and enters their private property in usa.
Just saying!
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Nope Lencho! I mean , seriously, if someone opened a gate\ fence whatever ( especially with a bolt cutter or some such thing), designated as private
property in The grand pais of the US of A you would likely be met by some sort of weapon with bullets ready to fire.
Why do people feel like entering someone's property in Mexico is their right? Some whacked gringo entitlement?
More and more of Baja is becoming off limits. Why? Because too many people show no respect or consideration, and because more property is being deemed
valuable for tourism.
And whose fault is that?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
Often, on both sides of the border, "gates" are closed to keep livestock from wandering into places the owner does not want them to be. IF it's
labeled "No Trespassing" that is different. When "no trespassing" signs are not present, the gate owner probably wants you to close the gate after
you go thru. That's my experience, anyway, and common practice.
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