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Quote: Originally posted by aburruss  | To Harald's post:
January 2022:
31.82490, -116.26330 - Locked Gate. Rancher opened for $5USD per person
31.71752, -115.97668 - Locked Gate. No easy way around
June 2021:
26.20474, -111.40155 - Locked Gate. There's a way around on an established path to the north.
25.86204, -112.0146 - Locked Gate. There's a "path" around to the east. Not really legit, but do-able.
25.87985, -112.00793 - Locked Gate. No "real" way around.
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If you gringos are strategizing ways around locked gates on private land, then me thinks the ranchers need to install boobytraps to stop scofflaws…
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
My gate is usually closed in Pesky. MXs don’t come in the gate ever. They’ll wait until noticed. Every time.
Don’t know if that’s courtesy or respect. A closed gate means something different to these ppl. They prob don’t feel entitled —
like most gringoes. Seasoned or not. |
That has been my experience as well after living in Mexico for 20 years. Mexicans will not enter your property or even open an unlocked gate, even if
they are a friend or close neighbor. They stand outside of it and call your name.
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What is the difference between Mexico and the US talking about private properties??? Everywhere inside the US when there is only a sign "POSTED" a
Gringo is respecting that. Because the owenr can shoot you without notice. Why are you guys not excepting the same in Mexico. That has nothing to do
with "maybe we are not welcome".
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | just a reminder
i asked what you think about a gate database
not about what you prefer to do with gates
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Harald, as a long time user of this board you know that EVERY thread is derailing. Start something about mosquitos in Baja and there will be one (or
more users) making an elephant out of it.
[Edited on 3-26-2022 by JC43]
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That is true the baja blowhards try to derail all posts .
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| Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Everywhere inside the US when there is only a sign "POSTED" a Gringo is respecting that. Because the owenr can shoot you without notice. Why are you
guys not excepting the same in Mexico. That has nothing to do with "maybe we are not welcome". |
Why is there a data base on trespassing? Harald made a judgment call on going through a gate and armed MXs escort him off the property. Geeze.
That would be enough to make me think twice about going through any gate.
Go through a gate on the wrong property and be shot or disappear.
Things change. Gates go up. If you don't own the property, you have NO rights to be on the property. That's a difficult proposition to accept
for entitled gringoes.
Get over yourselves! Natzi nature trespassers.
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Yes, please!
I would love to get a copy of your gate database, Harald!
I really like knowing not to get my hopes up too much for doing a particular route, if there has been a locked gate encounter there before.
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This was a disappointing gate I encountered in 2019, when I was hoping to drive the San Cristobal / Puerto Nuevo loop on the Vizcaino (27.4068,
-114.4749):
[Edited on 3-26-2022 by geoffff]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | just a reminder
i asked what you think about a gate database
not about what you prefer to do with gates
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Harald, as a long time user of this board you know that EVERY thread is derailing. Start something about mosquitos in Baja and there will be one (or
more users) making an elephant out of it.
[Edited on 3-26-2022 by JC43] |
I know, I know!
But since we have a good number of knowledgeable and kind experts on this forum, I am willing to sift through the garbage.
Like in archeology - lotsa dirt, few gems
Harald Pietschmann
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| Quote: Originally posted by geoffff | This was a disappointing gate I encountered in 2019, when I was hoping to drive the San Cristobal / Puerto Nuevo loop on the Vizcaino (27.4068,
-114.4749):
[Edited on 3-26-2022 by geoffff] |
my database would have told you
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Everywhere inside the US when there is only a sign "POSTED" a Gringo is respecting that. Because the owenr can shoot you without notice. Why are you
guys not excepting the same in Mexico. That has nothing to do with "maybe we are not welcome". |
Why is there a data base on trespassing? Harald made a judgment call on going through a gate and armed MXs escort him off the property. Geeze.
That would be enough to make me think twice about going through any gate.
Go through a gate on the wrong property and be shot or disappear.
Things change. Gates go up. If you don't own the property, you have NO rights to be on the property. That's a difficult proposition to accept
for entitled gringoes.
Get over yourselves! Natzi nature trespassers. |
Maybe not always the case, but any unlocked gates I have come to were to control animals, not people.
You cannot get to Mission Guadalupe without going through four gates.
I have asked about passing through when I saw people at a gate and have been welcomed to pass. If there is a sign "No hay paso" then I don't pass
through an unlocked gate. If no sign (as cows don't read), then I pass... reclosing the gate. I also have come across ranchers walking on a dirt road
with rifles. They tell me it for the 'lions' (Mountain lions/ pumas).
Not everybody goes to Baja for a Cabo vacation or to race. Some of us have a love of exploring the country and connecting to Nature.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
...Maybe not always the case, but any unlocked gates I have come to were to control animals, not people. ... |
Thank you David. For those who have never encountered the ubiquitous Baja style wilderness cattle/livestock gate, here is a classic example.
https://www.race-dezert.com/home/norra-mexican-500-prerun-45...
Assuming that it is on undeveloped land, in the middle-of-nowhere, and there is no sign to say keep-out, this type of gate is for the purpose of
letting vehicles pass, while containing livestock.
Note the short horizontal stick by Alfonso's left arm. That is a typical configuration, using the stick as a lever to tension the wire gate.
(photo borrowed for educational purposes only, from Race-deZert)
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El gusto es mio, Maderita!
I have been driving Baja's back-country roads since I was 16 (1974) so I speak from experience and not something I saw on the Internet, lol.
TW and I will be back south in a couple days. It has been too long without a "Baja fix" for me!!!
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| Quote: Originally posted by geoffff | This was a disappointing gate I encountered in 2019, when I was hoping to drive the San Cristobal / Puerto Nuevo loop on the Vizcaino (27.4068,
-114.4749):
[Edited on 3-26-2022 by geoffff] |
That's a simple fix. The Vigilancia will happily open the gate for you. There is no gate from the north. Awesome road that we travel often. There
is also an arroyo just south that you can take to the beach. Via the beach you can connect to the road again.
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 | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Everywhere inside the US when there is only a sign "POSTED" a Gringo is respecting that. Because the owenr can shoot you without notice. Why are you
guys not excepting the same in Mexico. That has nothing to do with "maybe we are not welcome". |
Why is there a data base on trespassing? Harald made a judgment call on going through a gate and armed MXs escort him off the property. Geeze.
That would be enough to make me think twice about going through any gate.
Go through a gate on the wrong property and be shot or disappear.
Things change. Gates go up. If you don't own the property, you have NO rights to be on the property. That's a difficult proposition to accept
for entitled gringoes.
Get over yourselves! Natzi nature trespassers. |
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One question Lee if the guy put up unlocked gate, and he does not own property? vising mexico and living here thinking is different Many dirt roads
have markers that Mexico put in . It is not legal to block road can anybody block the road yes . So yes if locked dont cut it . If no sign open close
get to ranch house stop and ask. Where I live yes some locked gates . I have the keys to many gates given by owner to me. Except most of the gates you
can take other roads . That lead to both side of locked gates.
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just last week I ignored a gate (on foot) and was escorted out by ranchers armed with rifles
we may have overstayed our welcome
. Harald's words.
I only reference the situation Harald encountered.
That encounter was either an exception, or the new norm.
My opinion doesn't apply to every fence on every road. Not talking about fences keeping cattle in.
No matter. Harald, a seasoned nomad, judged it was OK to pass through a gate I'm assuming had no sign reading keep out, and assume Harald wouldn't
go through a gate like that.
I'm reacting to an extreme situation.
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Last rancho around here about 10 years ago came out with rifles . To greet people at there gate big mistake. Where reported to army drug lab all
jailed.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | just last week I ignored a gate (on foot) and was escorted out by ranchers armed with rifles
we may have overstayed our welcome
. Harald's words.
I only reference the situation Harald encountered.
That encounter was either an exception, or the new norm.
My opinion doesn't apply to every fence on every road. Not talking about fences keeping cattle in.
No matter. Harald, a seasoned nomad, judged it was OK to pass through a gate I'm assuming had no sign reading keep out, and assume Harald wouldn't
go through a gate like that.
I'm reacting to an extreme situation. |
on my recon trip I found this ranch sitting right on the (government built) road.
first gate was open, outward gate was closed but not locked
no limiting signs
I talked to the rancher
I inquired about the old cemetery on the end of the road
rancher said the road was not drivable
but the hike was only 3 km
so, when I came back for my hike I asked and got permission to park the car
no sign posted at the gate,
but out of respect i did not want to ignore their words "Bad road"
when I started to hike a second rancher showed up and said it was a bad idea to hike to the cemetery
I hear that often from locals "Bad road", "No road", "Hiking not recommended"
they have no idea what I consider a bad road or an impossible hike
so I always say "Thank you!" and do what I think is right for my capabilities
in this case the road was in excellent condition
with recent tire tracks
meaning they lied to me
meaning they did not want me to go
I will not speculate on their motivation
who knows what they are growing out there (lotsa water)
no word of no trespassing or private property
I had some feedback from local Mexican friends telling me that they have gone where i went many times
So it seems the ranchers did not want foreigners hike on their land
I don't like it - but I respect it
Harald Pietschmann
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If you like public lands for hiking and exploring, the usa and canada are the place to be. Mexico has virtually no public lands so gates are what you
got to deal with.
gringos go to mexico to shred private lands, because blm and forest service dont allow that in usa, and ejidos in baja are so sparsely populated they
often cant stop gringos… but things are changing, narcos are doing rural pot farming, and ranchers finally are getting fed up with
careless/destructive offroaders, so closing roads.
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