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thebajarunner
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FMM gripe
Thursday we have to fly down to Jalisco for a family event, my little bride comes from there....
So, having a valid FMM in my travel bag, purchased a couple months ago in Tecate for 500 pesos, and having a wife that is Mexico born, guess what??
Yep, American Airlines says I must have an FMM for each of us, nicely available on line for the tidy sum of $45 each, and yes, to be gathered up upon
departure to preclude any further use.
And, of course, the extra irony, even though she carries a US passport the officials at the Baja border FMM office just wave her along "You are a
Mexican, just keep moving along senora"
Grrrrrr.
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AKgringo
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Another FMM gripe...or at least a warning!
On my last trip, I had very little hassle getting my FMM at Mexicali West. No line of traffic getting to the Migration facility, and the agent took
my money, checked the form and my passport, and wished me a good visit.
It wasn't until much later that I realized the FMM was probably worthless, because he did not stamp it! Be sure and check yours before you leave the
facility!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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David K
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The flying FMM is (or was) a different form than the land travelers FMM. The way around this is to fly out of Tijuana.
I bought a flying FMM at the Ensenada airport when I arrived there by helicopter... It was only good for the 3 days of our flight down and back and
was around US$40.
I think the logic is if you can fly your own aircraft in, you can afford that.
On the flight out, we had an additional passenger (Casey Currie) whose finger tip got cut off while surfing at Solosports (Punta San Carlos), so it
was an emergency return to the hospital. He did not have his land FMM on him, or his cash... I paid the $40 they insisted he needed even though we
were leaving Mexico. Lucky they didn't tack on a fine, as well!
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surabi
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If your wife is a Mexican citizen (dual citizenship), she should fly to Mexico as a Mexican, using a Mexican passport. Then she won't be required to
have a tourist visa.
I don't quite understand why this went down like this anyway. Almost no one boards a plane to Mexico with an FMM already in their possession, unless
they are a temp or permanent resident, in which case they will have the other half of the FMM form that was retained by them when they flew out of
Mexico.
Otherwise all tourists fill out the FMM form on the plane when they are passed out. And it is paid for as a separate charge on your ticket when you
purchase it.
If you are a Mexican resident or citizen, you need to call the airline before you purchase the ticket and find out how they deduct the tourism tax.
Some airlines deduct it when you purchase the ticket, in which case you have to book through their ticketing agent on the phone, not online. Some
airlines reimburse it when you send a copy of your Mexican passport or residency card to their refunds department.
And some airlines will tell you they never heard of such a thing, in which case you inform them that it is illegal to add tourism tax to non-tourists
and they will then either connect you with someone more knowlegable, or direct you to their refunds dept.
[Edited on 5-31-2022 by surabi]
[Edited on 5-31-2022 by surabi]
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  | Thursday we have to fly down to Jalisco for a family event, my little bride comes from there....
So, having a valid FMM in my travel bag, purchased a couple months ago in Tecate for 500 pesos, and having a wife that is Mexico born, guess what??
Yep, American Airlines says I must have an FMM for each of us, nicely available on line for the tidy sum of $45 each, and yes, to be gathered up upon
departure to preclude any further use.
And, of course, the extra irony, even though she carries a US passport the officials at the Baja border FMM office just wave her along "You are a
Mexican, just keep moving along senora"
Grrrrrr. |
Actually, the fmm is single-entry visa. Mexico land borders sometime let things slide and allow multiple entries on one fmm.. the airlines follow
the law and treat fmm as single entry form.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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RFClark
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Goat,
Actually you’re wrong!(Imagine that!) The terrestrial visa says multiple entry and is good for up to 180 days! The fly in visa is a single entry
visa also good for up to 180 days! The fly in visa is surrendered upon departure! You can have both visas at the same time! I have had both several
times!
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pacificobob
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Rfclark, it might be helpful if you post the text on the FMM that
addresses multiple entries.
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AKgringo
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The second "M" is for multiple, indicating that it is used for multiple purposes.
I was asked once how long I would be in Mexico, and I told the agent "Only three weeks, but I would be returning a couple of months after that for
another visit". He filled in 180 days and issued it to me with no mention of turning it in at the end of my first visit.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: | | The applicant acknowledges herein that the FMM has a maximum validity of 180 calendar days and shall be valid for one entry only.
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https://www.inm.gob.mx/fmme/publico/en/solicitud.html
[Edited on 5-31-2022 by Purdyd]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | Goat,
Actually you’re wrong!(Imagine that!) The terrestrial visa says multiple entry and is good for up to 180 days! The fly in visa is a single entry
visa also good for up to 180 days! The fly in visa is surrendered upon departure! You can have both visas at the same time! I have had both several
times! |
Show me a fmm form or regulation that says form is good for multiple entries.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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RFClark
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Here you go! In Spanish on the Mexican Government Site!
Air only one entry!
Land multiple entries!
https://www.inm.gob.mx/fmme/publico/solicitud.html
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John Harper
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In Spanish, for a Terrestre FMM:
El solicitante se da por enterado que la FMM tiene una vigencia máxima de 180 días naturales y podrá utilizarla para una sola
internación.
In English, for a Land FMM:
"The applicant acknowledges herein that the FMM has a maximum validity of 180 calendar days and shall be valid for one entry only."
These are from the links above, one in English, the other Spanish.
John
[Edited on 5-31-2022 by John Harper]
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David K
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Unlike the flying FMM, nobody collects the the driving FMM when you leave Mexico. Nobody in Mexico City knows if you leave before the 180 day period,
so you simply use it as long as it is valid. But, by all means, buy a new one each time you go to Mexico.
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RFClark
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From Bajabound.com
“ Can I use my FMM for multiple entries?
While the old law said that FMM tourist permits were only valid for one use into Mexico, the INM has recently said that FMM tourist permits can be
used for multiple entries in and out of Mexico, through the end date of the permit.”
As with much else in Mexico the rules are often ambiguous! The changes seem to stem from 2015 when the free zones were dropped and the free 7 day FMM
was required!
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RFClark
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Personal experience being stopped in Baja Sur by INM my FMM and stamped passport were deemed valid!
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pacificobob
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How is your Spanish Rf?
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David K
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In 2016-2017, I bought two FMMs and made seven border crossings and drove over 12,000 miles in Baja. I was not asked to show either of them at any
time... But, I was covered if I was!
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John Harper
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Laws are unenforced, unequally enforced, or mis-enforced daily here in the United States. Any wonder it happens in other countries?
Still, try using Bajabound or personal experience as your defense in a court of law in Mexico. What do you think a judge would say?
After he stops laughing, of course.
John
[Edited on 5-31-2022 by John Harper]
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sancho
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There was a post fb, on a guy going thru Mexicali West,
I assume crossing on off hrs. Had 14 people with him. They
requested the free 7 day fmm, were denied, Officer said
the 7 day had to be pre printed. They all paid for the 180 day
fmm. Told the bank was closed, they paid cash, no receipt.
So, if the Officer wanted, he could pocket the $500 usd,
and enter 15 free fmm's into the system. The newer program
that allows expired fmm holders, the chance to get temp
residency, a Mex facilitator found a guy's 180 day fmm
had been entered asa free 7 day fmm. I mistakenly believed
Mex Imm was a bit above this
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Unlike the flying FMM, nobody collects the the driving FMM when you leave Mexico. Nobody in Mexico City knows if you leave before the 180 day period,
so you simply use it as long as it is valid. But, by all means, buy a new one each time you go to Mexico. |
The OP was complaining that international flight into mexico was charging him for a visa, and airline was not following the informal customs and lax
enforcement common of land xings.
Land xing is less formal, so we “recycle” our FMMs until they expire,… doesn’t mean it’s legal! But it is economical, and is good for us
that live by the credo reduce-reuse-recycle
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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