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mtgoat666
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It is a nice curio, and probably worth less than $1,000, so just use it as nick-knack-decoration around the house. I would shine this cup up a bit
and use it as a coin cup or pen/pencil holder.
Alternatively, you could return it to where it was found, bury it deeply, and let it be an adventure for someone to find it again 100 years from now.
Beware, the cup could be cursed, as it may come from a time when the owner of this cup was drinking vino from it while whipping his slaves to build
the mision bigger, taller and faster!
[Edited on 7-1-2022 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Goat,
We’re all cursed not the cup! That’s why we’re all here! The cup has a story. It would be interesting to hear some of it. You’ll never hear
the story hiding under your bed unless you read it here!
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | Goat,
We’re all cursed not the cup! That’s why we’re all here! The cup has a story. It would be interesting to hear some of it. You’ll never hear
the story hiding under your bed unless you read it here! |
It could be the holy grail, eh?
https://youtu.be/w_A8F2cI5io
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On the subject of silver mines and the history of Mexico...try visiting San Sebastion on the mainland inland of Puerto Vallarta and getting the
historical scoop from the local historian. Fascinating history surrounding old Mexico silver mines and why they were closed down. Nothing similar was
available at El Triunfo or other sites we visited.
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RFClark
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If the cup was made in Spain and the silver mined there slaves would have still done the work.
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The history of slavery is long ang ugly. Form Mesopotamia , the vikings, Greeks, Portugal, Egypt, China, England, of course our USA. How do we move
forward? And acknowledge the wrongs of the past??
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I think you would find it’s as old as Walking upright if it were possible to check.!
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On the issue of slavery.. Can anyone tell me which major colonial country or group outlawed the slave trade first? Would be interesting to know who
began that initiative, and why.
According to this, Mexico and Britain both predated the US.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-us-first-abolis...
Here in Canada:
Legal challenges to slavery in British North America
British abolitionists had actively opposed the transatlantic trade in African people since the 1770s. (Several abolitionist petitions organized in
1833 alone collectively garnered the support of 1.3 million signatories.) Such antislavery views spread to Upper Canada (later Canada West),
influencing the passage there of the 1793 Act to Limit Slavery, the first such legislation in the British colonies.
In the eastern colonies of Lower Canada (what is now Québec), Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick, however, abolitionist attempts had been unsuccessful.
In 1793, for instance, Pierre-Louis Panet introduced a bill to the National Assembly to abolish enslavement in Lower Canada, but the bill languished
over several sessions and never came to a vote.
BUT NOT EVERYONE AGREED:
According to Wikipedia:
Under indigenous rule
Slave-owning people of what became Canada were, for example, the fishing societies, such as the Yurok, that lived along the Pacific coast from Alaska
to California,[7] on what is sometimes described as the Pacific or Northern Northwest Coast. Some of the indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest
Coast, such as the Haida and Tlingit, were traditionally known as fierce warriors and slave-traders, raiding as far as California. Slavery was
hereditary, the slaves being prisoners of war and their descendants were slaves.[8] Some nations in British Columbia continued to segregate and
ostracize the descendants of slaves as late as the 1970s.[9][page needed]
Among a few Pacific Northwest nations about a quarter of the population were slaves.[10][11] One slave narrative was composed by an Englishman, John
R. Jewitt, who had been taken alive when his ship was captured in 1802; his memoir provides a detailed look at life as a slave, and asserts that a
large number were held.
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[Edited on 7-2-2022 by JDCanuck]
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Just came across this one...sorry unable to post the pic.
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/dining-entertaining/sterli...
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For every real antiquity there is a forgery!
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More from academia on the cup...
Today, another person (Professor of Anthropology) responded to the photos I sent:
>>> The way the handle is attached, and the general form does make it look right for @ 1800 or so. I will need to check a few
references. The mark on the bottom “”G.W.?” and the tarnish does suggest silver.
More soon. <<<
I am still awaiting to hear back from one more archeology/ anthropology expert.
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