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John Harper
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Granted. But, who's gonna pay for it?
Seen pictures of Lake Mead lately? Dams don't help if there is no water.
And. who has these magical water drain systems for storm water? New Orleans? Pakistan? Kentucky?
It must be nice to always live in the clouds. The rest of us have to deal with reality.
John
[Edited on 9-14-2022 by John Harper]
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Fastbird
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Punta Chivato PWS
This is the web address for my weather station:
https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/IMULEG3?cm_ven=lo...
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JDCanuck
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Norway is a leader in harnessing water, deriving 99 percent of their power from it, and selling all their petroleum globally to build a massive
investment fund. Last time i looked, theïr Oil Fund" had amassed over 250G per citizen. Thats a pretty substantial investment return.
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Bajazly
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And if it had a better climate and plenty of water with lush green golf courses there would be 20 million people here and it would turn into a chit
hole. If you like where you came from so much and want where you moved to be like home, why are you where you are instead of back home?
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
Harald Pietschmann
"Get off the beaten path and memories, friends and new techniques are developed"
Bajazly, August 2019
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gnukid
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We have a few damns in BCS, most have no infrastructure, now we are at capacity with overflow, with a new storm on the way..
Most of our water is spring fed. Now the water is full of organic and inorganic matter.
La Paz has some reclamation and treatment that also supports farming which has been there for as long as I remember.
Each storm creates damage to infrastructure and death due to lack of drainage culverts, while we are still short of water most of the time, it seems
like a no brainer to invest some effort in more underground water storage and water treatment of reclaimed water.
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mtgoat666
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And if it had a better climate and plenty of water with lush green golf courses there would be 20 million people here and it would turn into a chit
hole. If you like where you came from so much and want where you moved to be like home, why are you where you are instead of back home?
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Arguing to limit infrastructure so opportunities for development are limited, and locals do not prosper, so expat pensioners are kept happy…. 
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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JDCanuck
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Gnukid: I have to agree the biggest correctable problem I have observed in our area is the way rainwater is channeled over and through existing roads.
Roads are increasingly lowered to channel the water down the roads rather than away from them by crowning and digging ditches and installing culverts.
But John has a point. Who wants to pay for it?
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mtgoat666
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I don’t mind paying taxes for good roads…
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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charliemanson
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Maybe start by doing the incredibly easy importation of your cars most people leave down here with SD
plates!
Funny how many gringos complain about the roads, but are against registering their vehicles which goes toward road repair!
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David K
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Roads = money... It is with roads that people bring products to market and also brings people to the market and to places to spend money at.
It benefits the government to build good roads so this flow of products, money and people is not hindered. The 1973 portion of Highway 1 (San Quintín
to San Ignacio) is way way below standards. Other roads as well... A few sections of 10-20 kms. in length have upgraded the 19 ft. wide old highway.
But, they are way behind in replacing the rest of it.
Seeing where quality bridges need to replace vados or other washout locations is pretty clear after a storm like this which comes as often as every
4-8 years.
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JDCanuck
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Other than the tires the locals drag behind their tractors and the repairs done by the Baja 1000 after it's run, I see no evidence of any attempt at
repairs in our area. Looks like a cattle trail that slowly developed into a track for vehicles to me.
Interestingly, when someone did put out the expense to both widen and crown an existing road and improve the connecting access, someone else threw
barricades across it to prevent access further up. Blocking access seems far more common at present than enhancing it.
[Edited on 9-14-2022 by JDCanuck]
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AKgringo
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None of my vehicles are new enough to qualify for importation.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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JDCanuck
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My problem as well, AKGringo. Looks like it will be a long time before I invest in a newer more expensive vehicle built for modern roads to destroy on
existing roads.
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charliemanson
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Maybe start by doing the incredibly easy importation of your cars most people leave down here with SD
plates!
Funny how many gringos complain about the roads, but are against registering their vehicles which goes toward road repair!
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gnukid
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Baja depends on tourism, farming and growth that requires water to survive, there are few products created here. The water exists but it is wasted
though poor infrastructure, planning and management.
As JD points out the primary run off system is roads, and arroyos, which immediately deteriorate, resulting in closures, loss of mobility, injuries
and deaths.
In other regions, there exists extremely large underground cisterns to gather run off that is treated, stored and available to mix with other water
sources and stored for emergencies.
California became successful because of effective water management to create the Northern California Delta to support farming and Hetch Hetchy system,
both of which supported growth and success. Why its all failing now is another story...
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid |
California became successful because of effective water management to create the Northern California Delta to support farming and Hetch Hetchy system,
both of which supported growth and success. Why its all failing now is another story... |
California has impressive water transfer and storage systems. It’s not “failing.” Climate change is impacting the west, and california water
management is changing with the climate and growth…
The days of seemingly unlimited water are over. Landscape your yard with native plants (avoid ugly astroturf and gravel landscaping, what idiots use
that stuff?)
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Don Pisto
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and here we are in a rare "triple dip" la nina
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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gnukid
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid |
California became successful because of effective water management to create the Northern California Delta to support farming and Hetch Hetchy system,
both of which supported growth and success. Why its all failing now is another story... |
California has impressive water transfer and storage systems. It’s not “failing.” Climate change is impacting the west, and california water
management is changing with the climate and growth…
The days of seemingly unlimited water are over. Landscape your yard with native plants (avoid ugly astroturf and gravel landscaping, what idiots use
that stuff?) |
We have done native drought resistant gardens and efficient watering.
In baja I have been gardening forever and use Niem, Moringa, Palms, Palo verde, and a variety of drought resistant desert plants to build an
ecosystem to allow other less resistant plants and fruit trees to grow.
I've built canals with sandy drainage to allow the water to enter the soil during storms and support river gardens.
When it is going to rain, I plant a huge number of native wild flower seeds and ground cover starts to encourage growth and bees. It's working!
At the moment we are over run by weeds and ants that come with the rains.
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Here's an update to ongoing advancements to new dams and local storage announced - though this same article seems to appear yearly...
https://masnoticiasbcs.com/construiran-represo-en-csl-se-ubi...
https://masnoticiasbcs.com/gestionan-proyectos-para-garantiz...
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JDCanuck
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If you want water to penetrate the soil without producing mud and erosion, gravel and sand filtration works great, If you want to encourage filtered
runoff without erosion and recapture the water astroturf works great. The challenge is in producing what you want where you want it instead of just
allowing all the erosion without any benefit.
If governments would actually apply the taxes they demand to these time proven solutions, I'd be very happy to contribute my share. Unfortunately at
present they want the taxes but are very unlikely to apply it where they say it's going. So we do our own where we can with that same money.
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John Harper
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We've also realized how dams have consequences that may cost more than they are worth. Devastation of the native salmon and steelhead populations
has cost billions of dollars of sustainable aquaculture and sporting use. Lots of dams are being destroyed as they age out, and the benefits of
natural flows are better understood. Look at the Los Angeles River being restored today. The less concrete channeling, the better absorption and
replenishment of water tables.
John
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