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understanding Mexico
a must see if you want to understand Mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzgMePQvSdc
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I watched this yesterday. It's interesting.
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Video shows how geography and climate concentrated the population of Mexico in the central highlands; a geographical and climatological "sweet spot"
for growing maize on a large scale. Such places enabled humans to make the leap from nomadic hunting and gathering to agricultural societies that
stayed in one place.
It was a similar climatological sweet spot in the middle east that gave rise to western civilization. Indeed, all of the trappings of modern western
society can be traced back to a particular type of grass that had a large seed kernel, the predecessor to modern wheat.
What Europe had going for it that Mexico did not have was navigable waterways. Otherwise, the Aztecs might have conquered the Spaniards instead of
the other way around.
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I've seen some what similar videos on Spain. Showing how mountains have made very large dead zones in the center of the country with few people.
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I found it to be a very interesting presentation, thanks.
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Really interesting and excellent presentation. Thanks.
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one part made me cringe though
"you can't build roads with concrete in the jungle, because it is too wet for the cement to dry"
cement does not dry - it hardens/cures
it is a chemical process (28 days)
this process will even happen under water
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That jumped out at me, too. In fact, you want to keep fresh cement and concrete wet for as long as possible after it has set, hosing it down a couple
times a day if the weather is dry and sunny. The longer it stays damp, the stronger it is. Concrete and cement that dries out too quickly is weaker
and prone to cracking.
[Edited on 2-21-2023 by surabi]
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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  | one part made me cringe though
"you can't build roads with concrete in the jungle, because it is too wet for the cement to dry"
cement does not dry - it hardens/cures
it is a chemical process (28 days)
this process will even happen under water |
I didn't know that. Huge mistake in the video.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | one part made me cringe though
"you can't build roads with concrete in the jungle, because it is too wet for the cement to dry"
cement does not dry - it hardens/cures
it is a chemical process (28 days)
this process will even happen under water |
I didn't know that. Huge mistake in the video.
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minor flaw
but it undermines credibility
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That was quite interesting.
Having lived on the coast of Nayarit and Jalisco along with time in the Bajio it was nice to see this summary.
Thanks for sharing
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Exercise regularly. Eat sensibly. Die anyway.
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Sad news. She was a nomad but did not post here. Hope mrbill returns to entertain us.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Excellent book. Helps explain why Mexicans are so undependable. In their mind they're not. They reserve the freedom to decide which appointments they
are free to break and which can't be broken. Their world is much more malleable than ours.
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Just for the record, I know many Mexicans who are very dependable. Have a good evening everyone.
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Ditto. My cleaner, who has been working for me for 2 years, has never shown up late or been a no show and if she has some conflict on her normal
cleaning day, which has only happened once, and involved her daughter graduating that day, she messaged me days ahead of time to see if she could
switch the day that week. The cleaner I had before that for 5 years was just as reliable. My plumber shows up when he says he will, and the guy who
runs the internet company I use always messages all his clients ahead of time if he needs to do maintenance on his system, telling us when there will
be an outage and for how long.
It's one thing to note cultural differences that tend to apply in some circumstances, but a statement like "Helps explain why Mexicans are so
undependable" is pretty discriminatory.
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[Edited on 3-3-2023 by surabi]
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I try to ignore a$$hat gringos that make blanket statements that “Mexicans are so undependable.” Such people are ignoramuses.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
I try to ignore a$$hat gringos that make blanket statements that “Mexicans are so undependable.” Such people are ignoramuses.
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No, it's you that's an ignoramus. And a crude one at that.
If you lived in Mexico rather than pontificate from whichever rathole you live in then you would know what I'm talking about. In fact, if you read the
book you would know to shut your yap. Calling someone a racist because he recognizes a culture that is different than your is racist itself because it
means that you judge others by your own culture and can't accept differences. So you're the racist because you measure others by your own measuring
stick.
Mexicans are very dependable in business arrangements. That is true. But in personal interactions they are liberal with commitments. When a Mexican
party is scheduled to start at 7pm guests start to arrive at 8:30.
Mexicans prioritize agreeability over veracity. They will make commitments they don't intend to commit to because they wish to make you happy. The
current moment is all important. The future is not. Saying no ruins the current interaction. To a Mexican saying yes is preferrable and later simply
not act on the commitment. I have seen this too many times to doubt this about their culture. Yes, it's lying but Mexicans don't see it as a big deal.
As I stated earlier, all arrangements are propositions that may or may not be kept depending on circumstances. What is more surprising is that often
when a simple phone call could be made to notify the person they will not show up it does not come. This is acceptable because they act that way with
one another and understand that just as they may not keep a commitment, so they do not expect a firm commitment from others. I am talking about
commitments for engagements. Hell, I have workers who complete half of a project and then simply don't show up to finish it because the work is not to
their liking. I have had agreements to meet with someone to go somewhere and left waiting with a no show. More than once. Then on the next encounter
nothing is mentioned.
So Goat, next time before running your mouth off know what you're talking about because you're big on name calling and accusations but you really
don't know much about life down here. Basically, you're an ignorant man.
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Skipjack, I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate on your statement. I wish you a good day.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | | Skipjack, I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate on your statement. I wish you a good day. |
Ditto! 
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