BajaNomad - The palm tree is going two feet under water

Cliffy likes to blather on pretending he is knowledgeable. I'm sure he's never seen anyone selllng 10 mangoes for a penny.

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy

Again all the climate N&zis do is pontificate without offering real solutions to real problems from the stance they take.
Address the problems noted rather than bloviate We're listening.

What problems, Cliffy? You keep telling us there is no climate change problem because "the climate has always changed". And helpfully tell us the sun doesn't shine at night, just in case someone wasn't aware of that. (Actually it does in the Arctic part of the year)

All you ever do is deny the problem, and give reasons why any and all proposed solutions won't work. Your "solutions" are to maintain the status quo.

Have you ever been to Dakar and seen the poverty there like I have?
Have you ever been to Guadalcanal and seen 6 year old kids selling anything they can just to survive (10 mangos for a penny) like I have?
Have you ever been to Zimbabwe and seen the mud huts that tribes live in like I have?
Have you ever been to South Africa and seen the "Black Areas" out in the middle of nowhere over thousands of acres, 1 family to 10 acres with a government hut (10X10) and NO electricity and no sewer system like I have?

NOTHING in Mexico is as bad as many areas around the world. NO ONE in the USA no matter how bad their housing is has any idea of what real poverty and slums really are on the world scale.

And they are supposed to build THEIR electricity grid on renewables?
Some pampered people need to wake up and smell the roses around the world

Stop oil? Stop fossil fuels? The world can not survive without dino juice period!
Even Germany sees the folly in going with wind now.

Do I presume that you never watched the last video I posted on bad data to support the climate change argument? Or is it just so easy to deny that possibility? That which questions the current thinking.
Just how would (does) someone get funding for an academic study to investigate the accuracy of the current climate mantra?
Just how much money is involved in the current climate mantra?
Follow the money.

Have a difference of opinion and all they can do is ostracize.
Yet questioning the outcome of any paper or position is (was) the foundation of the Scientific Method- but no more.

Given the recent retractions to medical scientific papers and the realization of fraud on the part of several worshiped academics published papers maybe questioning the status quo on climate might be a good thing rather than submit blindly to the cornucopia of noise from the climate crowd.

Also stop and think who is pushing the mantra of climate change and WHY ?
Do we really think they are being altruistic to save the world or is it coming from a cabal of independent, non-elected, self-important people who have a narcissistic regard for themselves and want to govern the world.
One only has to look at the WHO and the WEF to see the trajectory of what they want to do on a world scale - unelected bureaucrats one and all.

AKgringo - 5-8-2024 at 10:08 AM

Robbing Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul!

RFClark - 5-8-2024 at 12:25 PM

Lenin may be gone but his “Полезные дураки” are still here posting on the internet!

None of them are even curious why you can’t get permits to thin forests, clear roadside brush or clear transmission right of ways! They also don’t understand the wildfire based ecology west of the Mississippi and south into Mexico.

surabi - 5-9-2024 at 12:08 PM

Lenin? Who has exactly what to do with climate change or anyone here?

And what makes you think you know what other people are curious about or understand?

All you can come up with are insults to others' intelligence and somehow befuddling those who are concerned about climate change with communism?

JZ - 5-9-2024 at 12:14 PM

The climate crisis is the biggest grift of the last 50 years. It's obvious to any reasonable person.

It's all about $, power, and votes. I understand younger, naive people being confused. But if you've been around the block a few times there are no excuses.

RFClark - 5-9-2024 at 12:24 PM

So why didn’t you post a comment about this!

https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/04/11/1091087/the-inad...

MIT a “Rightwing Institution”?

[Edited on 5-9-2024 by RFClark]

JZ - 5-9-2024 at 12:30 PM

These people have lost their minds. Gigantic windbags. I can't take any of them seriously.

RFClark - 5-9-2024 at 12:46 PM

Useful Fools!

surabi - 5-9-2024 at 12:47 PM

You don't take anything seriously that doesn't conform to and bolster your preconceived opinions.

RFClark - 5-9-2024 at 12:55 PM

Not sure where you’re going with this.

The Science is in regarding Clean Air contributing 38% to the increase in the increase in temperatures. If you have a problem with MIT’s paper feel free to take it up with them!

Clearer air, fewer clouds, more heating seems pretty simple. The ‘90s clean air movement could or should have know the danger at the time! I don’t remember hearing a single word. Perhaps you can post some!

And then there is Sudbury! The former world’s Largest SO2 polluter! Still going strong though no longer the world’s largest but still polluting!

[Edited on 5-9-2024 by RFClark]

SFandH - 5-9-2024 at 04:16 PM

The Science is in regarding Clean Air contributing 38% to the increase in the increase in temperatures.

Are you suggesting we should keep polluting the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels because clean air lets energy in?

If 38% of the temperature rise is due to taking out the dirt, isn't 62% due to greenhouse gases?

Of course, it's a good idea to replace fossil fuels with renewables, even though there is a side effect of clean air.

[Edited on 5-9-2024 by SFandH]

RFClark - 5-9-2024 at 05:33 PM

SF&H,

No, I suggest that you read the MIT report. There is a proposal in it that accomplishes both goals. That said the report states that the percentage is higher than 38% as new stricter emission standards are now in place.

https://climate.mit.edu/explainers/radiative-forcing

The temperature rate of increase per decade prior to 1982 was .11F after 1982 it jumped to .36F. If you subtract the help clean air adds the rate would be .21F per decade.

There is the issue of what did the group pushing the Clean Air Bills know and when did they know it!

Nothing else proposed makes as much of a difference!

https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/04/11/1091087/the-inad...

[Edited on 5-10-2024 by RFClark]

JZ - 5-14-2024 at 08:46 PM

:lol:

Washington Post: Take Cold Showers to Save the Planet
Why you should embrace using cold water, almost all the time (shower, laundry, dishes)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/05/11/...

[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ]

RFClark - 5-14-2024 at 11:38 PM

JZ,

Want to bet that the hot water in the executive bath rooms at WaPo work just fine?

mtgoat666 - 5-15-2024 at 06:59 AM

Daily Cold shower or plunge is good for you.
https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-shower-benefits

[Edited on 5-15-2024 by mtgoat666]

AKgringo - 5-15-2024 at 07:51 AM

If the Post really wants to make a difference, they could keep the hot water and give up some air-conditioning.

surabi - 5-15-2024 at 09:35 AM

How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?

Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.

[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi]

JZ - 5-15-2024 at 11:24 AM

How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?

Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.

[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi]

Zuckerberg has been one of the biggest Climate Crisis alarmists. Well, well, well, look at his brand new toy. Take it up with him and ppl of his ilk before you come after the common person with your self-indulgent finger pointing.

[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ]

surabi - 5-15-2024 at 02:01 PM

Your post indicates that you entirely missed my point about "either/or". It isn't a matter of "rich people should curb their consumption before the average person does"- everyone needs to, including the rich.

Using the excuse "well, look at Zuckerberg", just seems like a lame way to justify not doing one's part.

Lee - 5-15-2024 at 02:41 PM

Lame.

Clark likes to point out China and India as bigger polluters so let's not point fingers.

Lay blame, quote NY Post, troll. Repeat.

Tioloco - 5-15-2024 at 04:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Lame.

Clark likes to point out China and India as bigger polluters so let's not point fingers.

Lay blame, quote NY Post, troll. Repeat.

Ok Lee, lets make believe that China and India and everyone else is just one big happy family of ours. And continue to think that the hypocrisy of the "climate change promoters" doesnt exist.

Meanwhile, anyone with a brain can tell you that the sea level rise and fall is not a threat to civilization. Take a deep breath and have a cold Pacifico under the palm tree.

JZ - 5-15-2024 at 04:06 PM

10% (US and a few other Western Countries) of the world shouldn't be charged with trying to save the planet.

Especially, when the wealthiest of those 10% create 40%+ of the pollution and do nothing to lower their carbon footprints except lecture the rest of us.

[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ]

RFClark - 5-15-2024 at 04:10 PM

How about letting your gray water go back into the same ground that it was pumped out of by solar after it waters the yard? How about running your AC off of solar not CFI so it doesn’t mater? How about running your car off of solar so all anyone can b-tch about is tire wear?

How about living up to the fact that 40% of the current temperature rise is the direct result of ill conceived geo engineering by the clean air no matter what crowd?

Tioloco - 5-15-2024 at 04:22 PM

How about letting your gray water go back into the same ground that it was pumped out of by solar after it waters the yard? How about running your AC off of solar not CFI so it doesn’t mater? How about running your car off of solar so all anyone can b-tch about is tire wear?

How about living up to the fact that 40% of the current temperature rise is the direct result of ill conceived geo engineering by the clean air no matter what crowd?

Also important to note that solar panels generate heat as do the A/C compressors and components. Drive thru southern Arizona and take note of the solar farms. Note how much warmer the area around them is than the surrounding desert.

Desert cities have more and more asphalt and concrete which directly cause a higher heat absorption than the dirt they replaced. Building codes have been adopted to eliminate dust particles from dirt roads and alley ways thru mandated paving by developers.

The left hand and the right hand of our government do not communicate when it comes to any of this.

As for water, it is all in a closed system. We arent gaining or losing any water from the planet no matter how long people stand in the shower singing their favorite solo.

RFClark - 5-15-2024 at 04:24 PM

Exactly!

Cliffy - 5-16-2024 at 08:26 AM

Save the world?
Please tell me how it makes sense for the US and Europe to go green (and pay the bill to boot) when it won't make a dent in the total world's pollution because the rest of the world will not comply!

When in fact given the rest of the world's growth in dino juice power any "gain" from the US and EU will be overtaken by the rest of the world's growth in emissions a couple years.

Now if you can get those polluters to sign on then you'll make progress. But each step forward has a concomitant detraction (i.e., cleaner air means higher temps due to more insolation received).

Go electric cars? Means more mining with heavy machinery and pollution thereof. Is there enough minerals to build all those batteries? What do you do with them when they die? Going to mine with electric dozers and shovels? Think again.

Go wind? What do you do with old windmill blades? Solve that one
I'll go all in if someone can find reliable information of the efficiency of any wind farm. It can't be done. Those stats aren't allowed outside the Board Room. I've looked for 10 years. Find me the day to day stats of generation capacity of individual windmills covering a years time period and I'll start to change my mind if it shows an efficient operation.

Trains? Are you suggesting we use battery powered long haul train engines to move the worlds commerce? Think again. The physics just aren't there.

World sea shipping? Are we going to move 1.000 foot long container ships by battery power? Think again.

The world can not operate without dino juice so get used to it.
Stop din juice and you WILL kill the world.

surabi - 5-16-2024 at 07:11 PM

As for water, it is all in a closed system. We arent gaining or losing any water from the planet no matter how long people stand in the shower singing their favorite solo.

My point about not taking 20 minute showers wasn't about how much water there is on the planet. It's about being conscious that there are others who rely on the same resources you do.
The municipal wells in my town are almost dry, and this is the case in many places in Mexico and elsewhere on the planet. Just because there is water somewhere on the planet doesn't mean it's accessible.

Every person who wastes water or indulges themselves in using more than necessary when water is scarce means someone else in the area who draws from the same source doesn't have water.

[Edited on 5-17-2024 by surabi]

surabi - 5-21-2024 at 09:46 PM

Howler monkeys falling dead and dying ffrom heat stroke and dehydration in Tabasco.
47°C in Ciudad Victoria.

But keep denying there's a climate crisis, folks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Internationa...

[Edited on 5-22-2024 by surabi]

JZ - 5-21-2024 at 10:05 PM

Howler monkeys falling dead and dying ffrom heat stroke and dehydration in Tabasco.
47°C in Ciudad Victoria.

But keep denying there's a climate crisis, folks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Internationa...

[Edited on 5-22-2024 by surabi]

How could you be 2000 posts into this thread and not see that from the begging people say the climate is changing. That is not where the discussion is. :light:

Cliffy - 5-22-2024 at 05:43 AM

With the same extrapolation the dinosaurs died out because of a worldwide "climate crisis" caused by a meteor.

All a natural phenomenon in the evolution of the earth from which the earth recovered on its own!

Man is a natural phenomenon in the evolution of the earth.

BTW, as to the recovery potential of the world ecosystem- one only has to look at the Bikini Atoll (for those who remember or even refer to history) and how it has fully recovered from the atomic bomb testing done there 50 years ago. It was a nuclear waste land that has now recovered.

The earth's ability to heal itself is phenomenal.
I am in no way advocating the wasting of natural resources but the fear that we are "Killing the Earth" to our demise if just folly.

The fear mongering is only supporting a financial industry and being driven by the same financial industry.

mtgoat666 - 5-22-2024 at 11:52 AM

I like Li batteries, but they really need some eggheads to come up with a better fire suppression method for combustible metals…

Battery fire in Otay Mesa smoldering for a sixth day

OTAY MESA — A battery fire at an energy storage facility in Otay Mesa continued to smolder Tuesday, leaving firefighters contending with the blaze for a sixth straight day.
“This is a dynamic situation, dealing with lithium-ion batteries, so we are treating it very carefully,” said Cal Fire Capt. Mike Cornette. “We’re being very cautious.”

Evacuation orders and warnings are in effect within several hundred feet of the 250-megawatt Gateway Energy Storage Facility, located in an industrial park on the 600 block of Camino de la Fuente. But Cornette said the fire has not reached the level of posing a threat to lives in the area.

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This goat suspects that the street name and former land ownership has cursed the land… land associated with Rocky de la Fuente is potentially cursed with bad juju…

surabi - 5-22-2024 at 12:17 PM

But keep denying there's a climate crisis, folks.

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How could you be 2000 posts into this thread and not see that from the begging people say the climate is changing. That is not where the discussion is. :light:

I didn't say that people are denying that the climate is changing, did I? I said they are denying that it's a crisis.

All you have to do is read Cliffy's post right below yours to see a prime example of that.

LI batteries under water

AKgringo - 5-22-2024 at 12:17 PM

Here is a clip about several EVs that were dunked in salt water; https://www.autoblog.com/2023/11/16/watch-as-submerged-tesla...

mtgoat666 - 5-25-2024 at 03:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Here is a clip about several EVs that were dunked in salt water

Dunking any car in salt water is death sentence. Doesnt matter whether electric motors or IC motors.

surabi - 5-27-2024 at 03:39 PM

Exactly, surfhat. All change happens because someone started it. If we never changed the way we do things because others may not, we would still be living in the stone age.

Leading by example is crucial. On an individual level, that manifests as peer pressure, which leads to people not wanting to appear like jerks when the rest of their community, work place, etc, supports something which would be of benefit to all.

I remember a post on this forum years ago from a woman who had a neighbor across the street whose yard was filled with garbage, that would blow across into her own yard daily. She tried talking to the homeowner's grown daughter, who worked at the local corner store, telling her to ask her mom if she could come over and volunteer to clean up that yard, or pay someone of her mom's choosing to do so. The answer from the mom was no.

The poster finally got so fed up with picking up the blown-over garbage every day she took a photo of the neighbor's yard, with a caption in Spanish and English saying "Do we really want our neighborhood to look like this?" and posted it on the telephone poles.
She came out the next morning to find the yard across the street totally cleaned up.

As more and more countries get on board with climate change initiatives, those that don't will start to get onboard, because it will look shameful not to. Not to mention the entire planet is affected by climate change, so a country's own citizens will be pushing for it.

Cliffy's attitude is like everyone on one's block having their front yards look like trash heaps, full of junked cars, discarded furniture, dog chit and garbage just because Joe down the block won't clean up his mess.

surabi - 5-28-2024 at 11:10 AM

"You worry about the future for your offspring what about their financial future with all the deficit spending? No matter how well try to clean up our foot print if it all goes into financial collapse in 30 years what have we left our offspring with?"

Oh, so "the sky is falling" rhetoric is fine when it comes to money, but not the climate.

I can assure you that if we don't manage to find solutions quickly, finances will not be a major consideration for my kids and grandkids in 30 years. They will just be trying to survive extreme heat and lack of water, if they can survive at all.

Humans and animals are dying already from the heat.

[Edited on 5-28-2024 by surabi]

surabi - 5-28-2024 at 11:34 AM

"A majority of U.S. voters support civil lawsuits against fossil fuel companies for their role in creating the climate crisis, while roughly half support criminal charges, a new poll from Data for Progress found.

The poll results, released Tuesday, indicate support for the dozens of civil cases against Big Oil currently in U.S. courts, many of which were brought by municipalities or states. In a sample of over 1,000 respondents, 62% of likely voters said that they supported legal accountability for oil and gas companies for "their contributions to climate change," including 84% of Democrats and 40% of Republicans."

oxxo - 5-28-2024 at 06:12 PM

Well, I've been away for a while, that's for sure.

BRIEFLY, although I've been a member of BN since 2006, my last post here was over 8 years ago, and most of my friends, like @BajaJudy, no longer post (I hope she's okay). I've had some significant health issues to contend with over those 8 years, but I'm patched up and doing fine now, and then there was Covid, and family issues, and in the meantime I am getting older. Back in the day, I could be confrontational and contentious here on BN, and I am not proud of that, but I have mellowed in my older age. I have owned a condominium on the Mar de Cortez beach for 20 years, in Los Cabos.....and it has been wonderful, a truly enriching experience. But I have just put my condo for sale and I will be staying closer to my doctors in Southern California. My time in Baja is coming to an end.

@Cliffy asks the question,
"If we spend this 50 TRILLION $$$$ how much would that lower the earths climate temperature"

In the past, I would have answered that question with some confrontational snark. Today, my answer to @Cliffy is, I don't have answers anymore, I just have questions. I can't answer your question because I don't know. My question is directed at myself. What can I do personally to incrementally lower the earth's climate temperature. We here in California, as a Nation/State, we have for the last 69 consecutive days, existed on renewable energy sources (solar, wind, hydraulic, geothermal, etc.) We have not used one drop of non-renewable energy during that time period (petro-chemical, nuclear, natural gas, etc.) Our goal is to achieve 365 consecutive days on renewable energy. It has been expensive to all the citizens in California, but we are putting our money where our mouth is. Personally, I have driven a 100% electric car for the last 6 years, I put solar panels on the roofs of my last two homes, I recycle on a daily basis (general garbage, plastics/aluminum, and green waste), I use drought tolerant landscaping with drip irrigation, I have a relatively inexpensive "time of use" electric plan, and I am mostly vegetarian now. This was the question and challenge to myself. And, as a result, I love breathing all that clean air on my 5 mile walks each day. For me, climate change is not a matter of cost savings to me personally, it is a matter of life and breath!

How much is the future well being of your children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren worth to you? So @Cliffy, you will have to ask your question to yourself and come up with your own answer. I have asked that question to myself and the answer was self-evident. You may come up with a different answer. Just remember you are always welcome to be my neighbor in California where EVERYTHING is more expensive but worth every centavo to do my very small part in lowering the earth's climate temperature!

Take care, amigo

OXXO, you should check in more often!

AKgringo - 5-28-2024 at 06:27 PM

Common sense should be more common around here.

RFClark - 5-28-2024 at 07:11 PM

Have fun killing Big Oil! BTW other than $7/pack smokes what else did you get when they killed big tobacco?

The government kept the money then they will keep the money now and you get to keep paying. Oil won’t go away. In fact cleaner air will just make it hotter sooner, as it has for the last 30+ years! More than 40% of the increase in the temperature is thanks to the clean air lobby!

I don’t now and never have smoked!

Also not buying much gas either! Mostly all electric!

mtgoat666 - 5-28-2024 at 07:49 PM

Have fun killing Big Oil! BTW other than $7/pack smokes what else did you get when they killed big tobacco?

The government kept the money then they will keep the money now and you get to keep paying. Oil won’t go away. In fact cleaner air will just make it hotter sooner, as it has for the last 30+ years! More than 40% of the increase in the temperature is thanks to the clean air lobby!

I don’t now and never have smoked!

Also not buying much gas either! Mostly all electric!

Smoking is interesting story. In my lifetime i have watched smoking tobacco disappear (gone are indoor smoking, smoking sections on planes, smoking in offices).

I have watched vaping and pot become mainstream.

All good, i suppose (at least net positive).

The tobacco settlements did good for many, so what if you quibble over some details of spending? It is govt, all is compromise, govt is for all and not only for you.

Oil will go away someday even if we drill, baby, drill. It is a finite resource.

If society democratically chooses to reduce oil use, i am all for it. Democracy in action. Public policy doing social engineering. All makes life interesting.

Dont panic!

You people that get panicky over demise of oil remind me of smokers that got panicky when smoking was eliminated from public spaces. You anxious oil addicts should try pot edibles :light:

I really think cliffy, clarkles and dk would be more tolerable people if they smoked some weed now and then!

[Edited on 5-29-2024 by mtgoat666]

oxxo - 5-28-2024 at 10:01 PM

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Oil won’t go away.

In my opinion, yes and no. The oil industry is doomed here in California. We are transitioning to a fully electric automotive transportation in a very short period of time. Sure some will want to keep their antique ICE (internal combustion engine) vehicles but gasoline will become even more expensive and difficult to find, here in California at least. You will have to answer your own question whether an ICE vehicle is worth it to you and your family. On the other hand, the BIG Oil companies are starting to install automotive electric chargers on their properties. That gives some clue as to what BIG Oil is thinking the future holds for the oil industry in California. They will probably charge exorbitant electric rates to maintain their corporate profits. Me? I could care less what they charge for electricity because I charge my car at home at night when I sleep from my rooftop solar panel battery storage and electric rates are their lowest. This is the same strategy that the majority of California BEV drivers are using. So In my opinion, Big Oil is going to have an increasing problem trying to be viable in this State.

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In fact cleaner air will just make it hotter sooner, as it has for the last 30+ years! More than 40% of the increase in the temperature is thanks to the clean air lobby!

Interesting statement! I have a question for you, can you please point me to the source of your information?

muchas gracias

RFClark - 5-28-2024 at 10:33 PM

Link’s right here.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/04/11/1091087/the-inad...

oxxo - 5-29-2024 at 05:58 AM

Gracias, @RFClark. This is an interesting article. It appears to say that some limited release of high sulfur fuel emissions via commercial shipping MAY reduce the currently rapid effects of global warmer in the atmosphere (There’s ongoing debate over whether researchers can yet detect that acceleration and whether the world is now warming faster than researchers had expected.)" But elsewhere in the article it states that reduction of greenhouse gases over landmasses (like California) is essential to addressing climate change. The study of this new science is called "Geoengineering." This science is far from agreement on the wisdom of releasing high sulfur fuel emissions over offshore oceans will accomplish at this point. However, the article emphatically states the reduction of greenhouse gases over land masses (like the USA) is essential to reduce the damage being done to the environment.

@RFClark in my opinion you overstated your viewpoint and what the article says, and that led to confusion on my part. On the other hand, I appreciate that you brought this article to my attention because that viewpoint does merit my attention as the science of geoengineering continues to mature.

In conclusion, there is nothing in your referenced article that indicates I should discontinue my personal strategy to reduce my personal carbon footprint: "Before we go any further, let me stress: cutting air pollution is smart public policy that has unequivocally saved lives and prevented terrible suffering." However, I do look forward to having further discussions with you on this topic in a non-confrontational manner.

RFClark - 5-29-2024 at 11:44 AM

Well, I said nothing about what individuals should or should not do. Personally we have full off the grid solar and EVs.

Here’s a paper cited in the MIT article that states the problem more clearly.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01324-8#Sec2

There is a different paper cited that offers a solution that keeps the clean air and the cooling effect.

https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/13/12059/2013/acp-13-120...

If the temperature continues to rise millions will die according to the experts. If we decrease the rate of increase by creating clouds over the ocean using higher sulphur fuel thousands will die from the pollution.

That seems a difficult choice until you consider that the transportation systems vital to supporting life as we know it also cause the deaths of 10s of thousands and injury to millions (?) more each year. Nothing in life is without risk!

For all the handwringing and carping it is a fact that technology is responsible for more benefit to a greater number of people. The same data that shows increased deaths from pollution also shows an increase in life expectancy from in the 40s in 1900 to in the high 70s today. Seen any Typhoid or Polio outbreaks lately? Medical, Water and sewerage treatment technology are responsible!

oxxo - 5-29-2024 at 12:45 PM

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Personally we have full off the grid solar and EVs.

Gracias for doing your part, every little bit helps!

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If the temperature continues to rise millions will die according to the experts. If we decrease the rate of increase by creating clouds over the ocean using higher sulphur fuel thousands will die from the pollution.

The way I read the subject articles, using high sulphur fuels for transoceanic shipping is a controversial subject, even among the expert scientists. Further study needs to be done before a definitive answer can be determined. I hope that the issues and impacts can be minimized so that a progressive solution can be found.

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it is a fact that technology is responsible for more benefit to a greater number of people. The same data that shows increased deaths from pollution also shows an increase in life expectancy from in the 40s in 1900 to in the high 70s today. Seen any Typhoid or Polio outbreaks lately? Medical, Water and sewerage treatment technology are responsible!

I totally agree with you on that point! As a result of a complete medical overhaul and rebuild of my cardio/pulmonary systems, my cardiologist says that with the current rapid increase in medical technology, I should live into my 100's. He says that a cure or effective treatment for the most aggressive forms of cancer is just around the corner!!! Hey! maybe we can arrange to have adjacent beds in the old folks home a few years from now. (wink, wink)

world bicycle day!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mtgoat666 - 5-29-2024 at 08:41 PM

:bounce:

June 3

JDCanuck - 5-29-2024 at 09:07 PM

Thanks to Tesla, and the now not so popular Musk, California is well populated with both EVs and the infrastructure of chargers to support them. Not so easy in Baja or even here in Canada where the demand for EVs far outstrips the available chargers to actually make them practical. Before our governments legislate the replacement of alternative vehicles and continues to drive their costs up with protective tariffs, perhaps they should copy Musk and ensure the infrastructure to support them exists. Consequently, people no longer want EVs and are falling back to hybrids which benefit the environment far less. How many chargers to this point has all that money transferred to the government produced? Last article i read stated 8 built so far across the whole of the US.
I've seen the same reaction every time a foreign country provides cheaper and far more efficient solar panels to the US as the present reaction to BYD EVs. Up go the tariffs to protect the higher priced less efficient panels built in the US, making them less affordable to the average person. Do they want to improve the environment, or do they want to continue to protect inefficient local manufacturers?

[Edited on 5-30-2024 by JDCanuck]

oxxo - 5-30-2024 at 04:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck

Thanks to Tesla, and the now not so popular Musk,

California is well populated with both EVs and the infrastructure of chargers to support them. Not so easy in Baja or even here in Canada where the demand for EVs far outstrips the available chargers to actually make them practical. Before our governments legislate the replacement of alternative vehicles and continues to drive their costs up with protective tariffs, perhaps they should copy Musk and ensure the infrastructure to support them exists. Consequently, people no longer want EVs and are falling back to hybrids which benefit the environment far less.

How many chargers to this point has all that money transferred to the government produced? Last article i read stated 8 built so far across the whole of the US.

I was an early enthusiastic adopter of Musk's EV concept, 10+ years ago. I even purchased stock in TSLA. However, much has changed in recent years as Musk continues to go off the rails. My daughter, who is a Doctor of Clinical Psychology, thinks that Musk may show evidence of adult Autism, having never met the man. I am no longer supportive of Musk, who has some serious psychological issues in my opinion. I have also divested from all my Tesla stock. Now, Musk is being considered for an advisory role in a future Presidential administration. However, as a result of a judicial determination today, I think it is unlikely that Musk will ever have an advisory role in any future Presidential administration.

In my opinion, it is a mistake to depend on a government or private investment public EV charging system. Here in California, we have our own Class 2 charger in our garage (like I do). We charge our cars at night while we sleep! Anyway, anyone who is considering the purchase of a BEV should also plan installing a Class 2 charger (50A, 240V) in their garage at a cost of $500 to $1000 (depending on your electric panel) in California as a necessary addition to your BEV purchase.

Hummm, I know that that there has been several hundred public BEV chargers installed within 30 miles of my location in California in the last 6 months.....certainly not 8 nationally. I know that several hundred installed recently in Canada and Mexico (but not in Baja California yet). BEV owners in foreign countries should put pressure on their respective national governments to expand their commitment to EV's. I know there are private charging systems in Baja. If you spend the night at Terrasal Hotel in GN, you can recharge your EV, gratis, while a paid guest there.

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I've seen the same reaction every time a foreign country provides cheaper and far more efficient solar panels to the US as the present reaction to BYD EVs. Up go the tariffs to protect the higher priced less efficient panels built in the US, making them less affordable to the average person. Do they want to improve the environment, or do they want to continue to protect inefficient local manufacturers?

[Edited on 5-30-2024 by JDCanuck]

I have to agree with you on that account! The US Labor Movement is a powerful political lobby and consequently legislating themselves out of existence! I give you as examples: USPS, the US railway system (when was the last time you saw a caboose at the end of a train, other than a museum?), public utility systems, retail goods store closing down right and left, and more. The US Labor Movement is in deep trouble. The US solar panel manufacturers need to use the technology that is available to them to compete or else they deserve to die!

RFClark - 5-30-2024 at 05:22 PM

Forcing Americans to accept 3 bowls of rice a day and a bicycle as a “good life” while our “betters” regale us about how “lucky” we are to even have that from the doors of their private jets is where all of this is headed!

oxxo - 5-30-2024 at 10:40 PM

Who is forcing Americans to accept "3 bowls of rice and a bicycle"? (Honest Question)

surabi - 5-30-2024 at 11:15 PM

Pretty interesting how some of the same people who berate those who understand how dire the climate change situation is and accuse them of exaggerating and overreacting then ridiculously exaggerate what they think the "climate czars" are going to make them do.

oxxo - 5-31-2024 at 02:53 PM

In my opinion, @Surabi, EVERYONE on BN needs to cool the rhetoric on controversial subjects, particularly ME! Although Science is in nearly unanimous agreement that greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere is causing severe climate change, there is a vocal minority that believes that what we are experiencing is the normal climate variation that has occurred over the measurable lifespan of the Earth, and that things will return to "normal" at some unknown time in the future. But will it be an Earth that we would recognize?

I invite everyone to join me on solutions to climate change (either real or imagined), personally, nationally, and globally. I will continue to implement my plan to reduce my personal "carbon footprint." I will be long gone before life, as we know it, will be unsustainable. So, I do this not to benefit me, but for those that follow me. I have enjoyed a wonderful life and I would like those that follow to have the same opportunity I have had. I want to leave Mother Earth the same as when I was born, if not an even better place!

I am still waiting for the answer to my question, "Who is forcing us to accept 3 bowls of rice a day and a bicycle."? Actually, that sounds like a pretty healthy lifestyle! Throw some home grown vegetables in that rice and ride an electric bike! (I already have an electric bike for 5 years now and I am 80% vegetarian - going to a vegan party tomorrow night!) And research has shown that an electric/peddle bike gives more exercise than a peddle only bike!!! who would've thought that?

Live Well @Surabi

mtgoat666 - 5-31-2024 at 03:05 PM

Forcing Americans to accept 3 bowls of rice a day and a bicycle as a “good life” while our “betters” regale us about how “lucky” we are to even have that from the doors of their private jets is where all of this is headed!

What’s wrong with rice and bikes?

I got 4 bikes. Every one provides me more joy than my truck or car. Much prefer riding my bike over driving my car! The bicycle is the greatest machine ever invented!

Tioloco - 6-1-2024 at 07:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Of course you want to dictate conservation while simultaneously bragging about having 3 more bicycles than you need. I imagine that same attitude is prevalent with all of your material possessions. Talk the talk but not walk the walk. You are one of the first on this site to tell people what they don't need or shouldn't do. Nice...

Meanwhile, those pushing the "science" on climate change are still buying beach houses for 2nd and 3rd homes knowing full well there is no meaningful sea-level rise on a planet that is essentially a closed loop.

Luckily, those with sound reasoning know the old palm tree is safe from water encroachment unless there is a plate shift or something more meaningful.... all of which are TOTALLY out of the control of humans.

JDCanuck - 6-1-2024 at 09:36 AM

AKGringo: The beetle kills up here hit a high a few years back and the devastation was very discouraging if you rode through the devastated areas of single species replanted forests. Fortunately, what was not immediately logged and consequently burnt in the recent wild fires is now recovering with a far more resilient mix of fire encouraged varied species. Nature has an amazing way of healing itself if we let it

AKgringo - 6-1-2024 at 10:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck

AKGringo: The beetle kills up here hit a high a few years back and the devastation was very discouraging if you rode through the devastated areas of single species replanted forests. Fortunately, what was not immediately logged and consequently burnt in the recent wild fires is now recovering with a far more resilient mix of fire encouraged varied species. Nature has an amazing way of healing itself if we let it

Actually, I did drive between Alaska and the US several times during that astonishing beetle epidemic! It helps keep me from whining about the trees I have lost.

JDCanuck - 6-1-2024 at 12:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Actually, I did drive between Alaska and the US several times during that astonishing beetle epidemic! It helps keep me from whining about the trees I have lost.

So you will remember the area(assuming you took the Cassiar) from Burns Lake to Prince George. I have been told its greening up very nicely now and is a much healthier forest than existed previously. You might also remember the forest service purposely let these wild fires burn themselves out and only sought to protect the populated areas in the past few years.

oxxo - 6-1-2024 at 12:33 PM

@JDCanuck and @AKgringo when you talk about "trees" you are encroaching into my area of science. The subject disease is officially known as PINE Bark Beetle and affects only pine trees. It is a major disease originally imported from the forests of northern Mexico and now infects pine trees throughout most of California and is moving northward. GENERALLY SPEAKING...wood for housing construction is built primarily from FIR trees, not Pine trees. Yes, Fir Trees are subject to various diseases but not to the same extent as Pine trees and not by the Pine Bark Beetle. Currently, there is no known prevention for the Pine Bark Beetle, but Horticultural Scientists are diligently working on it.

The dramatic cost increase of lumber and all building materials is GENERALLY attributed to US tariffs on foreign building products (Canada and China - in some cases raw logs are shipped to China for milling at lower cost than milling in the US and then shipped back to the US as "dressed" lumber at much higher cost), a dramatic increase in wages in the US as a political strategy to please voters, and the increase in the cost of fuel by the petroleum industry as a financial strategy to please stock holders. Although the Pine Bark Beetle is an environmental disaster in infected areas, it is, at this point, not the most significant contributor to the increased cost of building materials.

AKgringo - 6-1-2024 at 12:58 PM

Oxxo, there are also beetles that attack Spruce trees in Alaska, and I can show you Douglas Fir trees on my property that are definitely beetle kills.

I am also losing Cedar trees that are harboring grubs, but I suspect that they entered the bark postmortem. I really don't know what is killing the cedars.

I want to add that this is not a drought related issue, the surrounding trees are doing very well.

oxxo - 6-1-2024 at 12:59 PM

Meanwhile, those pushing the "science" on climate change are still buying beach houses for 2nd and 3rd homes knowing full well there is no meaningful sea-level rise on a planet that is essentially a closed loop.

Luckily, those with sound reasoning know the old palm tree is safe from water encroachment unless there is a plate shift or something more meaningful.... all of which are TOTALLY out of the control of humans.

What does a beach house have to do with Climate Change other than those with beach houses in low lying areas can attest to a rising sea level as their homes flood and they have to abandon their property? You are over-simplifying the issue. Purchasing a beach house on a hillside 100 ft. above current sea level has little to do with climate change (other than more hurricanes threatening properties in tropical areas not even on the beach).

You are free to believe whatever you like about some unconfirmed by the scientific method, random palm tree , but oceanic water level has been measured and it is rising at a relatively alarming rate! @TioLoco you will soon be able to buy your beach home at an unbelievably low price, but it will be underwater by several inches. Please join the land rush for beach homes in low lying areas if you believe what you say.

JDCanuck - 6-1-2024 at 01:10 PM

AKGringo: It sounds like you have a very unusual situation where you live, I would get an expert out to investigate.
Oxxo: The beetle kills we are talking about exist in the Northern part of British Columbia, maybe not the same as you are speaking of in southern areas and moving north? Traditionally, they were held in check by very low winter temperatures and a series of warmer winters led to the rapid spread. We mill spruce pine and fir up here for building materials, stamped as SPF.

surabi - 6-1-2024 at 01:18 PM

Meanwhile, those pushing the "science" on climate change are still buying beach houses for 2nd and 3rd homes knowing full well there is no meaningful sea-level rise...

So you know these people personally (please do tell us who all these people you are accusing of this are) and therefore know that they "know full well there is no meaningful sea level rise"?

Maybe they bought beach houses because they can afford to do so and want to enjoy a beach vacation house while they still can, knowing full well it may not be possible in years to come.

oxxo - 6-1-2024 at 01:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Oxxo, there are also beetles that attack Spruce trees in Alaska, and I can show you Douglas Fir trees on my property that are definitely beetle kills.

I am also losing Cedar trees that are harboring grubs, but I suspect that they entered the bark postmortem. I really don't know what is killing the cedars.

I want to add that this is not a drought related issue, the surrounding trees are doing very well.

I agree, as I said in my overly simplified post above. ALL trees (not just conifers) are subject to pests of various types. But the #1 pest right now in the Pine Genera is the Pine Bark Beetle which may result in the extinction of the Pine Genera in the Western US if a cure cannot be found soon enough. As far as building materials, the Fir species is the backbone of the housing industry.

In some cases, it IS a drought/climate change issue since all conifer species, even in the same Genus, have different horticultural requirements - sun, water, temperature, soil, etc. Some trees in the same genus but not the same species, will be infected, but some won't. While trees in other conifer Genuses (Genera) will be totally unaffected and uninfected.

oxxo - 6-1-2024 at 01:49 PM

Maybe they bought beach houses because they can afford to do so and want to enjoy a beach vacation house while they still can, knowing full well it may not be possible in years to come.

Yes, I am one of those who purchased a beach condo on the SOC twenty years ago. It is now for sale. I am not selling because of the rising sea level, my place is safe from rising ocean levels for beyond my lifetime (but some of my neighbors aren't). I am selling because of climate change. Year round temperatures continue to inch up, 93 F in my area today, down from 97 a couple of days ago. And the increasing risk of more frequent hurricane damage; we are being warned that this could be a huge year for hurricanes in the Los Cabos area! The hurricane season in the Los Cabos area (and most of coastal Baja California) has been lengthened from June 1 to end of November :wow:

Oye!, @TioLoco, are you interested in making me an offer? I didn't think so.

Tioloco - 6-1-2024 at 02:13 PM

Maybe they bought beach houses because they can afford to do so and want to enjoy a beach vacation house while they still can, knowing full well it may not be possible in years to come.

Oye!, @TioLoco, are you interested in making me an offer? I didn't think so.

My beach house is located steps from the water with beautiful sand and no cliffs.
No, not interested in your hamster cage in cabo, thx

Am curious how much those temperatures have inched up over the last 100 years..... Did you expect the weather to repeat itself day after day, year after year?

[Edited on 6-1-2024 by Tioloco]

oxxo - 6-1-2024 at 04:03 PM

Many liberals with the financial means buy beach houses. Some are financed by those pesky bankers that are risk averse. Dont think the 30 year mortgages would be available if sea level rise was really an immediate threat.

Second point- 2/3 of the earth is covered in water. Beach houses will ALWAYS be popular. Even if water rose, those that can afford to would still build accordingly.

Many Conservatives with and without financial means, who deny and those who do believe climate change, buy beach houses....and some of them are those "pesky bankers". A couple of them are my neighbors who are now becoming concerned about the impact of climate change on their beach properties. Oh, and you have obviously not been shopping mortgages for beach properties recently because many institutions will not fund a mortgage of any length on any "at risk" property. Here in California, and several other States, the home insurance businesses are refusing to renew policies on properties that are subject to wildfires as a result drought conditions! No home insurance and you can kiss your home mortgage goodby!

@TioLoco, amigo, I can agree with you that the earth is covered by 2/3 ocean. But that percentage is increasing slowly as the polar ice caps melt at an alarming rate. If you don't want to, or can't afford to buy my beach house,,,,,would you like to buy my submarine. I've used it to run drugs up to Californico in the past. :lol:

take care, amigo, and stay out of the water.

Tioloco - 6-1-2024 at 06:40 PM

take care, amigo, and stay out of the water.

Basing public policy off of the habits of insurance companies is not wise. And you are correct, I haven't and wont be shopping mortgage rates for a beach property. I dont finance toys or vacation property.

Not interested in buying your apartment near the sea.

Polar ice caps werent always there.... The earth constantly evolves. To think that they are going to submerge the earth in a dangerous manner is BS. I would venture to say the Mexican cartel violence is your bigger motivation for leaving Cabo. It is what it is. But dont use climate change to cover for your fear.

The palm trees in Cabo are safe from sea level rise.

RFClark - 6-2-2024 at 05:29 AM

Sorry I missed this fun! Doug will probably take it back to 113 when he sees this. If he does I think it should be a separate topic.

We were at COSTCO in Cabo. Needed pollo rostizado and meat. Those “Godless Chinese Chickens” sure are great and just $110 pesos!

But I digress.

Government using its power to force its citizens to change their behavior in ways that it thinks is best (in its opinion) has just hit an “ice burg and sunk”! The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 against the State of NY in The NRA V Vullo

As Justice Sotomayer’s opinion noted, “At the heart of the First Amendment’s Free Speech Clause is the recognition that viewpoint discrimination is uniquely harmful to a free and democratic society. … The takeaway is that the First Amendment prohibits government officials from wielding their power selectively to punish or suppress speech.”

This goes far beyond a single viewpoint that you might not agree with. Consider the other viewpoints that the government goes to great lengths to suppress because in the opinion of those in charge but usually not elected they feel that those viewpoints are harmful.

And yes this directly goes to the using of power by the unelected government officials trying to force changes in behavior by regulations and tax policy.

Rice (diet) and bicycles (mobility) as examples!

oxxo - 6-2-2024 at 06:06 AM

Doug will probably take it back to 113 when he sees this. If he does I think it should be a separate topic.

Yes, I agree. I'm bowing out at this point. I will not participate in a conversation with insults, recriminations, and meaningless rhetoric. No minds have been changed or even enlightened.

I have listened to everyone's viewpoint and I have nothing further to say.

surfhat - 6-2-2024 at 10:14 AM

Thanks for trying xoxo.

Please don't give up on all, and I mean all, of our and our generations to come futures.

You have been more than reasonable and have more patience with the deniers than I have.

I implore others to look beyond their locales and see what is coming their way, albeit decades later, in areas of the planet where it is more than obvious now.

The truth is out there. Haha

You can try to lead a horse to water, but might as well give up attempting to lead the horses rear end anywhere toward the reality they refused to accept. They will be long gone, as I will, but at least I know I tried to add some small effort in my own way to giving Mother Nature the respect she deserves.

Future generations will have no doubt about who stood up for them when it could have made a difference, and who did not.

Living our lives for those to come should matter. We are the lucky ones with the caveat that it is for the time being.

Thanks xoxo for what should not be a debate over mankind's direct impact on our shared planets ability to remain livable.

Man can change the climate if they choose. Mankind has done this beyond a doubt forty years ago when the decision was made to eliminate CFC's.

Have at it. I know what is coming from the usual suspects. A heavy sigh is all I have left to express.

xoxo your voice of reason is like a breath of fresh air and appreciated.

JDCanuck - 6-2-2024 at 10:20 AM

Too bad Oxxo: I found your contributions both opinion altering on my part and beneficial as we attempt to find some common ground on climate issues. I for one will miss your input if you stop posting

JDCanuck - 6-2-2024 at 10:37 AM

I have been studying demographic trends recently and was amazed at what I've learned.
1) India has just become the most populous nation, but the birth rates have gone under natural replacement at 2.0 births per female.
2) globally, we are already under 2.1 births per female, the ratio seen as natural replacement of the population. Europe and most wealthier countries have been under this rate for some time and are now relying on immigration to support their aging populations. The exceptions are the Arab countries where birth rates remain at 3.2 per female
3) if present trends continue, we will go into population decline by the end of this century, when the average birth rate is lower than the effects of increasing life expectancy

How this all affects the climate trends will have a major impact on predictions presently put forward.

[Edited on 6-2-2024 by JDCanuck]

Tioloco - 6-2-2024 at 10:39 AM

I often ponder how the climate alarmists justify to themselves traveling to Baja and beyond. Clearly their carbon footprint would be smaller if they stayed home. Must be some sort of a self righteous thing?
That lonely palm tree at the root of our discussion is sure to filter a lot of CO2 from passing cars being piloted by these climate warriors.

RFClark - 6-2-2024 at 11:00 AM

Intolerance of other differing viewpoints is the heart of the Supreme Court decision cited and the problem here. No action is ever taken against the name callers! And yes, no minds will be changed even though the facts on the ground have changed.

It turns out that prior to the industrial revolution the humans on the earth were already making changes in the earth’s climate that are being measured today. The drop in atmospheric CO2 and Europe’s “little ice age” that occurred between 1500 and 1700 were a result of the deaths of a large percentage of the native population in the Americas caused by diseases brought by the livestock of Spanish and Portuguese explorers.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45894-9

mtgoat666 - 6-2-2024 at 11:46 AM

I often ponder how the climate alarmists justify to themselves traveling to Baja and beyond. Clearly their carbon footprint would be smaller if they stayed home. Must be some sort of a self righteous thing?
That lonely palm tree at the root of our discussion is sure to filter a lot of CO2 from passing cars being piloted by these climate warriors.

Penepoco,
This may be illogical to you, but is possible to live a fulfilling and diverse life without being a glutton. I practice conservation in my home and life, i am not overweight or obese, i generally live a low-carbon life compared to my peers. My carbon footprint from traveling is more than offset by my conservation elsewhere.

Btw, practicing conservation generally equates to lower $ cost, so more money available for travel or other luxuries.

Penepoco, You dont give a chit, that much is clear. Hopefully, society as a whole is not like you, and the net carbon footprint will fall despite the gluttony of people like you who do not think and do not care.

JDCanuck - 6-2-2024 at 11:57 AM

RFClark: I disagree that people are not changing their minds. Ev's of all types are becoming less affordable at the same time our governments are reducing or cancelling subsidies and other positive initiatives.
Here are the results of a recent survey here in Canada regarding changing attitudes towards EV's of all types and the major reasons preventing them from making the jump:

"Despite challenges, 64 per cent of Canadians looking to purchase a new vehicle within the next five years are considering a hybrid, plug-in hybrid, or fully electric vehicle, according new report.

The 2024 Mobility Trend Report by Volvo Car Canada highlighted mixed sentiments toward electric vehicles (EVs) amid economic headwinds. Three-quarters (76 per cent) of those not considering an EV cited high costs as the main barrier. Concerns over infrastructure are also prominent, with 78 per cent agreeing that there isn’t enough publicly available charging infrastructure, and 65 per cent worried about getting stranded due to running out of charge."

RFClark - 6-2-2024 at 12:39 PM

OK, mostly I was referring to those here.

BTW, our Kia PHEV averages about 100MPG round trip to COSTCO versus 28MPG for our Nissan Rogue AWD.

Our son is using the Kia Niro EV (2020) we bought used last year when they were cheep. His electricity cost/mile is around $.06/mile US

When we were in Vancouver last fall there were more EVs on the road than in Los Angeles. BC Hydro is giving them away or something.

JDCanuck - 6-2-2024 at 01:18 PM

Well, after only a few months of operating a lightly used Leaf EV with the largest battery, I am left with these conclusions:
Not nearly enough available ChaDeMo fast DC charging stations for longer road trips and they are fast going obsolete, whereas Tesla stations are very available and seldom used. If we limit travel to very local trips within a 70 mile radius this is not an issue and we charge at home for the 140 mile trip if we run only moderate accessories in mild weather. Even after 17-20 years expected battery declines it would be usable as a short trip car.
Nissan does NOT show much interest in keeping past buyers up to date with adapters to Tesla fast DC charge stations. Tesla is constantly over installing new stations and provides users with charge adapters for other types of stations.
I guess you know where I am going with this? A Leaf would require a second vehicle for longer trips, the Tesla is usable for long trips if you stop every 3-4 hours for a fast recharge and rest break and I expect them to continuously improve on this range.

Toyota and VW are forecasting solid state batteries in their new EVs within 3-5 years, which should increase the practicality of EVs dramatically(lighter, faster charge rates and longer durability). The downside to this is the present Lithium based batteries will become obsolete.

[Edited on 6-2-2024 by JDCanuck]

RFClark - 6-2-2024 at 01:24 PM

We started with a Leaf in 2013 when Nissan gave a damn. That’s why we’re with Kia now cause Nissan doesn’t give a damn! So far 50K miles and we’re still happy with Kia.

JDCanuck - 6-2-2024 at 01:37 PM

We started with a Leaf in 2013 when Nissan gave a damn. That’s why we’re with Kia now cause Nissan doesn’t give a damn! So far 50K miles and we’re still happy with Kia.

If I remember right, your Kia is a plug-in hybrid, am i right? What is the plug-in range on electric alone? This is the present trend here, more and more plug-in hybrids showing up. Very short recharge cycles at public chargers while shopping locally but the ability to take long trips on gas.
Meanwhile Toyota is promising this for its future EVs
https://www.pcmag.com/news/toyota-touts-solid-state-evs-with...

[Edited on 6-2-2024 by JDCanuck]

RFClark - 6-2-2024 at 03:13 PM

JD,

We have both a Niro EV - 2020 and a Niro PHEV. The PHEV goes about 38 miles on electric. it has just under 10KW of battery and a level 2 charge port. 2.5hrs to full charge

AKgringo - 6-2-2024 at 03:48 PM

We started with a Leaf in 2013 when Nissan gave a damn. That’s why we’re with Kia now cause Nissan doesn’t give a damn! So far 50K miles and we’re still happy with Kia.

I remember seeing a picture posted of a Nissan Leaf in Baja towing a small utility trailer with a generator in it.

surabi - 6-2-2024 at 06:28 PM

My friend's Hyundai Kona EV gets around 250 miles on a full charge, depending on driving conditions. Those who are under the impression that you can't drive long distances with an EV are misinformed. Depends on the vehicle, your driving style, highway vs. around town, etc.

[Edited on 6-3-2024 by surabi]

JDCanuck - 6-2-2024 at 07:02 PM

When I measure miles I use actual mileage, not the 8% higher miles shown on my odometer, and longer distance trips of course include highway miles at 60 mph or more, not repetitive miles driven at 30 mph. Of course, if I drive only in the city I get closer to the stated full mileage as represented by the manufacturer. This is a given, but real use seldom equates to the best case use with no activated accessories manufacturers claim. I find highway miles with moderate accessory use yields approximately 2/3 the manufacturers stated distance in the real world. This of course would worsen in winter with the heating on.

JDCanuck - 6-7-2024 at 09:58 PM

The question is, how do they convince everyone to give up their F-150 trucks and actually buy those hi mpg vehicles to pick up their groceries? The manufacturers will be forced to make them, but will anyone actually buy them? You HAVE TO have an F-150 to pack all those cheap groceries from Costco it seems.

RFClark - 6-7-2024 at 10:29 PM

goat,

Come on down! It still in the low 60s and high 50s at night here! Need to run the heat pump in the BR at night. It gets all the way up to the high 60s during the day. That Green is the 17C water that makes it cold all along the West coast. The further North the colder the water gets.

I’m not saying it’s not hotter in Los Cabos. I’m just saying it’s cloudy and cold here!

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surabi - 6-8-2024 at 01:46 PM

goat,

Come on down! It still in the low 60s and high 50s at night here! Need to run the heat pump in the BR at night. It gets all the way up to the high 60s during the day.

Not according to the current temperatures listed online.
Says Todos Santos is 64+ at night and 74+ during the day.

JZ - 6-8-2024 at 01:56 PM

goat,

Come on down! It still in the low 60s and high 50s at night here! Need to run the heat pump in the BR at night. It gets all the way up to the high 60s during the day.

Not according to the current temperatures listed online.
Says Todos Santos is 64+ at night and 74+ during the day.

Low will be 56 here tonight.

oxxo - 6-9-2024 at 07:10 AM

goat,

Come on down! It still in the low 60s and high 50s at night here! Need to run the heat pump in the BR at night. It gets all the way up to the high 60s during the day. That Green is the 17C water that makes it cold all along the West coast. The further North the colder the water gets.

Here us the problem, those "green" and "blue" areas of coastal waters are moving northward at a rapidly increasing rate. Enjoy your current weather now, because it is going to become much warmer in your area in the next several years according to the scientists who study and measure these things. We should selfishly enjoy it because we are currently leaving a legacy where our grandchildren won't be able to enjoy it.

JDCanuck - 6-9-2024 at 07:39 AM

We spent the winter just north of you and had the heat pump running steady as well. Locals who had lived there for decades could not remember as cold a winter overall. Maybe its the transition from El Nino to Nina doing this? La Paz over on the Sea of Cortez was a whole different story and still showing much higher temps. We had a high of 25 the same day theirs was 36 just before we left in April and that was not unusual for the entire 4 months we were there

[Edited on 6-9-2024 by JDCanuck]

Tioloco - 6-9-2024 at 07:58 AM

How much warmer are you forecasting?

The Forcast is for cloudy with a chance of meatballs!

RFClark - 6-9-2024 at 09:18 AM

This year June 9

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Last year June2

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Since a 10 day forcast is usually iffy a multiyear forcast is even more iffy. Locals who have lived here decades say this weather is average.

oxxo - 6-9-2024 at 09:51 AM