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Terry28
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And now I also agree with Ateo..sorry I entered this conversation Jon.
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Ateo
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Terry.........I have nothing but love for ya!! It's just a shame this site has deteriorated further. But that's reality. All good bro!
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Lee
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Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  | | Terry.........I have nothing but love for ya!! It's just a shame this site has deteriorated further. But that's reality. All good bro!
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I've always liked you Ateo. We communicated long ago. Don't recall how crazy nomads can get but, to me, borderline OT stuff belongs over there,
and not here. Its got to be difficult for some to separate Forum and OT.
Goat referenced CA people, Terry added to that, JZ probably thought hey Oregon is next door and he thinks Briggs trashing Portland is an honest
opinion and wants to share that. Wow.
Re this thread, and MX activists in the City, lots of those activists feel short changed and some probably envy those involved with gentrification.
I"m guessing the ''gringoes'' they are targeting are white. That's racism I think.
Hard for me to see anything negative like this happening in Baja. Guess anything is possible.
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
Re this thread, and MX activists in the City, lots of those activists feel short changed and some probably envy those involved with gentrification.
I"m guessing the ''gringoes'' they are targeting are white. That's racism I think.
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Strange and illogical conclusion. The vast majority of gringoes who relocate to Mexico happen to be white, but that doesn't mean gringoes are targeted
because of their race.
From what I have read, in Mexico City, the objections to gringoes relocating there is that the majority of them are young digital nomads, who do not
integrate into Mexican society, do not bother to learn Spanish, drive up the price of housing, take over bars and clubs that used to be places young
Mexicans hung out, are arrogant and insular. Those are all legitimate concerns for the local population, and have zero to do with racism.
Americans happen to have the worst reputation as tourists all over the world, as being unadaptable, loud, entitled and demanding, and clueless and
disrespectful of other cultures. This has nothing to do with racism, as they are criticized as such by people in countries which are predominately
white as well as those which are not. (Of course not all Americans are like this, but enough are to have earned this reputation as a general
demographic.)
There are tons of Mexicans whose skin is whiter than that of many gringoes. And tons whose skin is so dark you could easily assume they were Black. If
you just saw a photo of them, you could easily think they were American or African or whatever. So no, this has nothing to do with race, but with
behavior.
[Edited on 3-14-2026 by surabi]
[Edited on 3-14-2026 by surabi]
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
Re this thread, and MX activists in the City, lots of those activists feel short changed and some probably envy those involved with gentrification.
I"m guessing the ''gringoes'' they are targeting are white. That's racism I think.
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Strange and illogical conclusion. The vast majority of gringoes who relocate to Mexico happen to be white, but that doesn't mean gringoes are targeted
because of their race.
White gringoes are targeted because they are white. They are profiled because they are perceived to have ''money.'' Think this is true
everywhere in the World.
From what I have read, in Mexico City, the objections to gringoes relocating there is that the majority of them are young digital nomads, who do not
integrate into Mexican society, do not bother to learn Spanish, drive up the price of housing, take over bars and clubs that used to be placrs young
Mexicans hung out, are arrogant and insular. Those are all legitimate concerns for the local population, and have zero to do with racism.
There's more to the text if you read between the lines.
There are tons of Mexicans whose skin is whiter than that of many gringoes. And tons whose skin is so dark you could easily assume they were Black. If
you just saw a photo of them, you could easily think they were American or African or whatever. |
White skin Mexicans could be ID'd as gringo. Black gringoes, and people with darker skin, are not perceived as gringoes. White people have
privileges that Blacks, and non-white people do not have. If you are white, you may not know this. If you are ''other'', you're in denial or a
''special'' case.
The MX activists in MX City? Many reasons for demonstrating in the streets. You probably think none of them are racists. I believe many are
racist and xenophobic too.
Last opinion, my experience is gringoes who've been living South for awhile are out of touch and only have 2nd hand info and what they've read online.
Out of touch.
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ligui
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It isn't because your American. It's because you are acting like a big as hole.
Go back to the States.  I could name a few on this forum. Not worth
the time.
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surabi
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Yes, as I said, it's behavior, not race.
I have more than once been in a store lineup behind American tourists who speak to the store employee in English, as if they expect all Mexicans who
happen to work where there are tourists, to speak English. When the salesgirl smiles sweetly, but obviously doesn't understand what they are asking,
they say it again SLOWER and LOUDER, as if she is deaf or mentally defective. It never occurs to them to use a translation app on the phone they carry
everywhere in their hand when in a country whose official language isn't English.
One also cannot discount the quite understandable backlash to the current US administration characterizing non-white immigrants as rapists, murderers,
mental patients and terrorists "poisoning the blood of our country" and the brutal treatment and targetting of brown people by govt. law enforcement.
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ligui
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Well said surabi !
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: Originally posted by Terry28 | | I actually agree with Goat,,,IF you are from california just try moving to Oregon and experience their attitude...... |
Oregon has recently had the honor of being the worst state in the US. People are fleeing mostly to the upper NW because of the worst State government
in the US. There is currently a big movement to unseat the present Governor and her wife who is also her advisor. Billions are missing from the State
finances with no accounting in sight.
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JZ
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We had a house in San Carlos, Sonora for about 10 years.
Most of my friends there were Mexicans. Zero cultural issues. You just have to treat people right.
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