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[*] posted on 5-14-2021 at 06:21 PM


"CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor."

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to hasn't been you've got to wear a mask? So CDC doesn't trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?
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[*] posted on 5-14-2021 at 07:57 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
"CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor."

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to hasn't been you've got to wear a mask? So CDC doesn't trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?


Have you been around for the past year? I would think that by now you would understand how the vaccine works and what protection it provides :no::no: Your Q reflects a real ignorance about the vaccine….




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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 09:10 AM


So neither one of you can give a direct answer to a legitimate question and you are calling me ignorant?
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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 09:47 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
"CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor."

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to hasn't been you've got to wear a mask? So CDC doesn't trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?


I'll risk an answer. The reason people who have not been vaccinated should wear a mask is there are likely other people around that have also not been vaccinated who could be in a transmission stage of the virus. The unvaccinated need to protect themselves from contracting and spreading the virus.

Those who are vaccinated have a low likelihood of contracting or spreading the virus, according the the CDC. I'm not saying it doesn't happen - it does, but the occurrence is very, very low.

The biggest problem with the CDC guidelines is trusting people to be honest about whether or not they have been vaccinated. But that problem is only for the unvaccinated. As a vaccinated person I don't have to worry about the anti-vaxers anymore since the risk of transmission to me is so low.


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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 10:10 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor.


Good thing we got microchips in the vaccine so we can identify the responsible and patriots that have been vaccinated -- and we can identify the miscreants and lunatics that have not been vaccinated. Need to remove the miscreants and lunatics from public spaces!


A guy named Adolf had similar ideas about a group of people...




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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 10:11 AM


Bajamama thanks for the answer but here's the question again. Let me rephrase it a little.

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to you hasn't been you've (the vaccinated person) got to wear a mask?
does the CDC not trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?

And if that person (next to the vaccinated) has had Covid and has antibodies why are they not treated the same as a vaccinated person?
I've noticed that the CDC is ignoring any mention of the people with "natural immunity" of which there are at least 33 million in the USA.
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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 10:14 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
Bajamama thanks for the answer but here's the question again. Let me rephrase it a little.

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to you hasn't been you've (the vaccinated person) got to wear a mask?
does the CDC not trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?

And if that person (next to the vaccinated) has had Covid and has antibodies why are they not treated the same as a vaccinated person?
I've noticed that the CDC is ignoring any mention of the people with "natural immunity" of which there are at least 33 million in the USA.


Get the vaccine, and stop being a pedantic tool.




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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 10:17 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor.


Good thing we got microchips in the vaccine so we can identify the responsible and patriots that have been vaccinated -- and we can identify the miscreants and lunatics that have not been vaccinated. Need to remove the miscreants and lunatics from public spaces!


A guy named Adolf had similar ideas about a group of people...


Last month Frontline had an interesting piece on the “American Insurrection”
You should watch it (avail on PBS).
Part of it reviewed the Trump-supported right wing white supremacy movement, a modern-day movement similar to your Adolph guy’s movement last century.




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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 10:19 AM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Those who are vaccinated have a low likelihood of contracting or spreading the virus, according the the CDC.

I'm still not convinced about that. Consider the Yankees.


Yankees good example of vaccinated getting covid 19 but the vaccine worked and they had minor or no symptoms.
The vaccinated can get covid 19, but the vaccine has prepared the body to deal with it and make the disease progression much less serious




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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 10:21 AM


"Do you understand that the vaccinations, while offering a lot of protection to the vaccinated, may not prevent them from being asymptomatic carriers?"

No call me thick headed but I don't understand the relevance of this answer to the question I asked. And no I wasn't "venting" that's what people do in the heat of passion mostly without thinking.
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[*] posted on 5-15-2021 at 10:24 AM


I am amused at the anti-vaxxers being so concerned about putting the vaccine in their body when they simultaneously participate in so many higher-risk unhealthy activities such as being over-weight, smoking dope, smoking tobacco, eating junk food, eating processed foods full of chemical additives, driving irresponsibly, etc.

In the big scheme of things, anti-Vaxxers are very poor evaluators of risk, and operate on some really misguided emotional stimuli from brain-washing alt-right media types.




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[*] posted on 5-16-2021 at 09:01 AM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Those who are vaccinated have a low likelihood of contracting or spreading the virus, according the the CDC.

I'm still not convinced about that. Consider the Yankees.


7 of the 8 were asymptomatic, proving the vaccine works. Had they not been vaccinated they could have gotten very ill, perhaps hospitalized. Only one player got infected, the other 7 were coaches and support staff. According to the NYT their quarters during a rain delay was much smaller than the players. And no mention of they contracted the virus from a vaccinated or vaccinated person.
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[*] posted on 5-16-2021 at 02:12 PM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Yankees good example of vaccinated getting covid 19 but the vaccine worked and they had minor or no symptoms.

We understand that and the article states such.

The point is that they probably spread it among themselves in spite of being vaccinated. Which is why vaccinated folks should wear masks where they could potentially infect others who might not have immunity.

I can't believe we're belaboring such a basic concept. :rolleyes:


Those that got vaccinated have served their "greater community good" by getting vaccinated. It is totally irrelevant that they could all be asymptomatic spreaders except to the un vaccinated, who in turn deserve their outcome due to their personal irresponsibility.




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[*] posted on 5-16-2021 at 03:47 PM


Lencho I don't think we're arguing - sorry if I came across that way.
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[*] posted on 5-16-2021 at 05:04 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  


Those that got vaccinated have served their "greater community good" by getting vaccinated. It is totally irrelevant that they could all be asymptomatic spreaders except to the un vaccinated, who in turn deserve their outcome due to their personal irresponsibility.


This is a really bad take.

We are all vaccinated, but I respect anyone's decision to not put something in their body.

They might have already had Covid, like Barry. Or are under 50 and in good health and have an extremely small chance of serious illness. It's their choice.

The numbers are way down as the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.

The left's intolerance knows no bounds and this statement is par for course.





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[*] posted on 5-16-2021 at 05:50 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
The left's intolerance knows no bounds and this statement is par for course.

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[*] posted on 5-17-2021 at 09:18 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  


Those that got vaccinated have served their "greater community good" by getting vaccinated. It is totally irrelevant that they could all be asymptomatic spreaders except to the un vaccinated, who in turn deserve their outcome due to their personal irresponsibility.


This is a really bad take.

We are all vaccinated, but I respect anyone's decision to not put something in their body.

They might have already had Covid, like Barry. Or are under 50 and in good health and have an extremely small chance of serious illness. It's their choice.

The numbers are way down as the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.

The left's intolerance knows no bounds and this statement is par for course.



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invoking choice & rights along with "might haves" or "extremely small chances" on your part has nothing to do with my choice of situational perception of others decisions.








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[*] posted on 5-17-2021 at 09:44 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

The numbers are way down as the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.

The left's intolerance knows no bounds and this statement is par for course.


The left? Like a fork in the road, left vs. right? Conservative vs. liberal? Good vs. bad? Us vs. them?

Is this what you mean, JZ?

Again, you are close to practicing medicine on this forum. Your views come across as too liberal here.

Everything is cool. Infections way down. Vaccines are optional. Wear a mask or don't? Live your life, be happy, don't worry, normal is back and the naysayers were wrong.

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[*] posted on 5-17-2021 at 03:05 PM


Basic Facts That Everyone should be aware of

Humans recuperate from covid flu like infection at a rate of %99.97

People who die with covid have 3-4 severe comorbidities that are cause of death

Recuperated humans have the highest quality immunity available to protect from future infection, transmission and share antibodies

There are no Covid Vaccinations approved

Covid vaccines are not vaccines by any traditional or common definition

Covid vaccines are unapproved by any health association *FDA), have no testing on human high risk demographics, nor by race, genetics, age etc.

Covid vaccines are 100% experimental, first time use of broad gene therapy, mRNA interrupters are injected using synthetic product into your cells disguised with nano particle jackets, since they would otherwise be rejected

Covid vaccines alter DNA to RNA transcription permanently, so that your body will forever hyper produce the experimental synthetic spike proteins associated with response to the viral excretion

Spike proteins are produced as part of the cellular process to respond to toxicity that precipitates influenza symptoms as part of dying cells

The "vaccines" are not vaccines, yet, create a permanent state of infection provoking hyper spike protein production, similar to high toxicity response

Vaccine manufacturers state you will need 3-4 vaccines a years, continuously to alter the spike protein production according to their prediction of covid variant, in order to produce a constant immune response, while in toxic state?

Anyone who refuses experimental drug that provokes high toxicity with synthesized mRNA to provoke hyper spike protein production is labeled antivaxer

Human immune response is successful at a demonstrable rate of at least %99.97 and high for those under 75 years and far superior to experimental drugs

If you refuse experimental unapproved high risk drugs you want to kill grandma according to rabid morbid worshipping extremists on Baja nomad




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[*] posted on 5-17-2021 at 03:46 PM


Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Basic Facts That Everyone should be aware of

Humans recuperate from covid flu like infection at a rate of %99.97

People who die have 3-4 severe comorbidities that are cause of death

Recuperated humans have the highest quality immunity available to protect from future infection, transmission and share antibodies

There are no Covid Vaccinations approved

Covid vaccines are not vaccines by any traditional or common definition

Covid vaccines are unapproved by any health association *FDA), have no testing on human high risk demographics, nor by race, genetics, age etc.

Covid vaccines are 100% experimental, first time use of broad gene therapy, mRNA interrupters are injected using synthetic product into your cells disguised with nano particle jackets, since they would otherwise be rejected

Covid vaccines alter DNA to RNA transcription permanently, so that your body will forever hyper produce spike the synthetic proteins associated with response to the experimental viral excretion

Spike proteins are produced as part of the cellular process to respond to toxicity that precipitates influenza symptoms as part of dying cells

The "vaccines" are not vaccines, yet, create a permanent state of infection provoking hyper spike protein production, similar to high toxicity response

Vaccine manufacturers state you will need 3-4 vaccines a years, continuously to alter the spike protein production according to their prediction of covid variant, in order to produce a constant immune response, while in toxic state?

Anyone who refuses experimental drug that provokes high toxicity with synthesized mRNA to provoke hyper spike protein production is labeled antivaxer

Human immune response is successful at a demonstrable rate of at least %99.97 and high for those under 75 years and far superior to experimental drugs

If you refuse experimental unapproved high risk drugs you want to kill grandma



What do ya wanna bet that right wingnut gnukid got the vaccine?

I bet his momma said he was not allowed home to see momma if he didn’t get his shots, and he said “yes ma’am!”




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