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[*] posted on 6-18-2024 at 12:00 AM


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
I'm sure your air conditioned home and car are quite comfortable.


Yes, as a matter of fact they are. And living in the same desert my grandparents grew up in and the same heat they endured without air conditioning makes me feel very fortunate to have it. Summers were hot then and they are hot now. What do you think concrete and asphalt do to ground temperatures? Yes, they make it hotter... as do appliances like air conditioning compressors.

Your electric car wont reverse any of that.

Lets agree that the palm tree looks a lot better being as far as possible from a paved parking lot.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2024 at 12:17 PM


Thanks for proving my point. Anything outside the bubble of your own anecdotal experience is "BS" and you don't care about the rest of the world.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2024 at 07:40 PM


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Thanks for proving my point. Anything outside the bubble of your own anecdotal experience is "BS" and you don't care about the rest of the world.


Oh, you having no roots and spending a couple of years in different places qualifies you as a local with special knowledge that none of us are privy to. Yeah, ok.... fkia.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2024 at 07:53 PM


The devastating consequences of climate change to people and animal, crops, and the environment that are happening all over the world are readily available to learn about to anyone who is interested. It has nothing to do with special knowledge that someone is privy to or where they are local to.
It's called educating oneself. An alien concept to those who prefer to be told what to believe and to those who don't care about anything that doesn't directly affect them in the moment.



[Edited on 6-19-2024 by surabi]
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[*] posted on 6-18-2024 at 08:23 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
The devastating consequences of climate change to people and animal, crops, and the environment that are happening all over the world are readily available to learn about to anyone who is interested. It has nothing to do with special knowledge that someone is privy to or where they are local to.
It's called educating oneself. An alien concept to those who prefer to be told what to believe and to those who don't care about anything that doesn't directly affect them in the moment.



[Edited on 6-19-2024 by surabi]


This thread is about the palm tree and the evidence shows it is in NO DANGER. Stop the panic.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2024 at 08:39 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  

This thread is about the palm tree and the evidence shows it is in NO DANGER. Stop the panic.


I am certain it is NOT the same palm tree(s) in the various photos. And I do have the credentials to make that determination. Somebody is just having fun at the Forum's expense.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2024 at 08:59 PM


Quote: Originally posted by oxxo  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  

This thread is about the palm tree and the evidence shows it is in NO DANGER. Stop the panic.


I am certain it is NOT the same palm tree(s) in the various photos. And I do have the credentials to make that determination. Somebody is just having fun at the Forum's expense.


Pues wow!
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[*] posted on 6-19-2024 at 11:46 AM


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I am certain it is NOT the same palm tree(s) in the various photos. And I do have the credentials to make that determination. Somebody is just having fun at the Forum's expense.

:lol::lol::lol:

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[*] posted on 7-9-2024 at 04:54 PM


The latest on CO2 removal along with one of the fastest growing producers...you guessed right, Microsoft
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/occidental-clinches-record...

Lets examine this: Energy saving computers spawned Microsoft, which spawned Google, which spawned AI, which has become the biggest fastest growing energy hog. So the fossil fuel producers are being hired to remove the resultant CO2 all that energy demand is creating!

[Edited on 7-10-2024 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 7-10-2024 at 04:40 AM


My employer has been researching the use of natural processes to reduce carbon dioxide. I'm still not sure what I think of tinkering with what's been in place for millions of years, but no one asked me!



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[*] posted on 7-10-2024 at 08:47 AM


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My employer has been researching the use of natural processes to reduce carbon dioxide. I'm still not sure what I think of tinkering with what's been in place for millions of years, but no one asked me!


Up here in Alberta Canada. we have about 20 at present large CCS projects lined up for regulatory approval in addition to the ones already in place. They are a bit different as they extract the CO2 from processes, ship in pipelines and store in deep underground caverns. This particular one funded by MSFT seems a bit extreme and energy intensive in comparison.




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 7-10-2024 at 04:34 PM


Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
My employer has been researching the use of natural processes to reduce carbon dioxide. I'm still not sure what I think of tinkering with what's been in place for millions of years, but no one asked me!


Best of intentions.... and unintended consequences.
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[*] posted on 7-10-2024 at 08:05 PM


Google admits its going backwards on its pledge of Carbon neutrality

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-destroyed-google-promis...




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 7-10-2024 at 09:12 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Google admits its going backwards on its pledge of Carbon neutrality

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-destroyed-google-promis...


AI is a crock today. Ask a question, you get a response based info on the internet. Info on the internet is often wrong, for example AI might read this thread and thinks scientists measure sea level with vacation snapshots of palm trees. I routinely challenge AI to answer engineering questions. AI usually misses the mark.
Try asking AI to answer zoning and building code questions - AI fails, cant figure out what is applicable, cant interpret how to apply code to real life.
Have you seen those AI chat bots that pop up on every vendors website? Their answers are pathetic.
You want answers to what you need in life, then do your own research, hire a pro, or pick up the phone and talk to a human that knows their chit.




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[*] posted on 7-12-2024 at 12:26 PM


For all you folks making excuses for why it's pointless to reduce your carbon footprint because China and India are the biggest polluters- you are conveniently ignoring a key fact when it comes to personal responsibility. China has a population of over 1.4 billion, India has the same. The US has a population of 333 million.

When it comes to per capita carbon footprint, China and India rank far below other countries. The top polluter per capita is Qatar, followed by several other Middle Eastern countries. Then comes Australia, then the US and Canada.

The Middle Eastern countries top the list due to heavy dependence on fossil fuels, low levels of environmental education, and extravagant lifestyles of the rich, many of whom profit from the fossil fuel industry.

Australia, the US and Canada are high on the list due to the fact that we are the highest consumers of resources per capita to maintain our cushy lifestyles, heavy dependence on fossil fuels and resistance to alternative energy funding.
China and India are heavy overall polluters because of their manufacturing to supply the world market that clamors for cheap goods made with cheap labor, not because the native populations have a high carbon footprint.

European countries have a lower per capita carbon footprint because they have excellent public transport, which people use extensively, they have many alternative energy projects, and people are educated and care about reducing emissions.

So stop with the BS excuses for not curbing your consumption and addiction to fossil fuels "because it won't make a difference". The average Chinese or Indian has a way lower carbon footprint than those in rich countries.

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[Edited on 7-12-2024 by surabi]
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[*] posted on 7-12-2024 at 01:18 PM


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AI is a crock today.


I beg to differ. I think AI is a great development.

https://www.perplexity.ai/ answers your question AND provides links to the source(s) of the information.

I just used it to get information about password management software. In particular, I wanted information about the legacy provisions of the different applications. It did a good job of comparing and contrasting the various options.





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[*] posted on 7-12-2024 at 02:03 PM


Once again we're off topic here, but here goes. The biggest problem I have with AI is it's dumbing down our exceptional human reasoning skills. What we used to call common sense is based on our personal and ancestral experiences (some would call those prejudices). In animals we call it instinct. This keeps us healthy and safe despite what temporary preferred societal demands are placed upon us. It also leads to evolutionary survival of the fittest in a rapidly changing world. Diversity of our sense of whats right in any different situation is what leads to long term survival. All animals have this same capacity built into their makeup and either adapt or are extinguished.
How do we teach that to a machine based on binary true/false reasoning that will eventually be driving acceptable behaviours?

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A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 7-12-2024 at 02:33 PM


Surabi: So stop with the BS excuses for not curbing your consumption and addiction to fossil fuels "because it won't make a difference". The average Chinese or Indian has a way lower carbon footprint than those in rich countries.

Those who have visited those Asian countries have also noted they typically cook on solid fuel fires(briquets or wood), which I'm pretty sure is not calculated in their countries' carbon footprint. Dinner time in Cambodia is a killer in producing not just CO2 but particulates as well. It's estimated by a Swedish study there are over 1 million deaths per year caused by that one factor of pollution alone. There are readily available stop gaps to avoid all those unnecessary deaths and pollution, but they require much cleaner alternatives.
While in Mexico, most people cook on CO2 producing gas, I still see a lot of poorer people burning much more polluting waste wood to do their cooking. Perhaps we should start there, then work our way through gas stoves to cleaner electric. La Paz just took a major step ahead by purchasing the recently built combined cycle gas power plant running at 60% or better efficiency to replace their typical diesel fuel generators. It's not solar, hydro or windpower, but its at least 1/3 the CO2 let alone other Sulfur Oxides, NOx and particulates of what they have been installing per unit of energy. Here it is, with pictorial description:

https://constructionreviewonline.com/construction-projects/c...


[Edited on 7-12-2024 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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