BajaNomad - Wake up Doug Means

Wake up Doug Means

yankeeirishman - 7-6-2005 at 11:50 PM

"I've simply tried to use the Internet for benefit of Baja travelers since 1994/95."
Doug Means aka BajaNomad?

Doug?.
I hope that you keep this in the GENERAL topics so that all will read. I thought about u2u this to you, but I think all should now speak up, about the immense problems here.
The benefit is no longer for travelers here...it has become the Roman Coliseum for the warriors and beasts.

I wish to say thank you for running a forum here. That?s right off the top. I made a few friends here, gather lots of great data?. but it?s gotten to be a joke here. Flaming, trolls, threats, power playing, and plain outright chaotic behavior by some of the better-known Nomads are now the norm of the day here! It spills into all the topics?not just the off topics. I wont say names here?I don?t care anymore. And many others don?t care anymore either. I don?t see the usual gang here anymore. Rarely do I see them posting. If you ask me?I think a lot are moving to new grounds. As I am bout to.

This forum has cancer. It is dying. The postings have become null and cold. Baja Questions & Answers and General Baja Discussion does not display solid inquires or stories as it once did. Newcomers that drop in are surely in dire straights when they read here. No substance. It?s really bad!

I have been an outspoken poster at the Nomads, having no fears of debate and express my views as I see it. Yankeeirishman (me) was guilty indeed for a while?playing Viking tactics. The garbage that?s going on with the popular nomads here surpasses my coldness! They will not stop. They can?t even respect my posting, asking for peace!

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=11457
Is it pride? Is it sabotage from your competitors? Or do these people just disrespect your domain here?don?t give a damn about YOUR future forum? Some of these folks are your friends? Wake up Doug.

Time to make choices, tough choices on new rules. Save your forum.

Hang in there Yankeeirishman

Sharksbaja - 7-7-2005 at 12:33 AM

You share a lot in common with me. Children, similar interests in Baja, verbally endowed. AS you have said yourself, the temperment of the forum has a negative effect on you and your posts. Thats' a drag. You must also realize that you have inadvertantly given the lions fodder. Not your intention, why would it be? You have taken a position between these guys and held up a big bullseye. That's why you feel personally hurt and insulted. DON'T! These vollies are about worn-thru. THeir messages sent LOUD & CLEAR for all of us to hear. ok. Lets get on with life Yank, not their's. Iam sure if a newbie really cared to read all this useless info he may be hindered. They will all be there tomorrow tho. Many folks are vacationong or taking a break I believe. My instinct says let it go....take a break.... you make a good addition to the Nomads. It does have good soul I believe, the Nomads Forum. Don't ply the seas with the Nomads during the recently frequent Chubascos. Stay on the dock or board at a later time

Whatever, but how could a Irish Yank jump ship anyhoo!!

TMW - 7-7-2005 at 07:09 AM

People come and go for a number of reasons. Some tire of the sometimes silly banter or the arguments that pop up. I must admit I sometimes enjoy the JR/DK go around. The list could be endless. I think some of the slowing may be that it's summer time and with kids out of school there's more to do outside of the Nomad Forum. It's not an election year so to speak so the Off Topic area is getting a little dull. If people want to move on so be it.

I say go off into Baja somewhere and find something unusual or normal even and report back here so we can discuss it.

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2005 at 07:19 AM

yankeeirishman Unfortunately I think you are fighting a losing Battle here. as much as I can appreciate what you are trying to do your only poring gasoline on the fire. the best thing to do if you want these guys to stop or slowdown is to ignore there posts. just don't open or read anything they post or start new threads about there disagreement. I think if every one would leave them alone the problem would go away.

But If you check the number of reads and posters on those threads you will see that most people on the forum really like to keep tabs on this soap opera. the few good posts so far this week, yours about the GPS unit and Osprays nice post got very few reads and replies and that is a shame but I think this shoes that a lot of people enjoy the news and info here but also enjoy the drama and excitement of a conflict. I think it all has value some is entertaining and some is informative. The English speaking people of Baja ca. are a very diverse grope and so are there views and interests. and no one not you not me can change that. nor would I want to.

allot of people think the forum is going down the tubes just because a couple of people are having a disagreement and that is not true this has been going on since forever and it always will. so relax and enjoy the parts you like and don't get all stressed out or take any of this to seriously.

thanks Yankee keep up the good posts. I enjoy your writing.

David K - 7-7-2005 at 07:58 AM

Yah, you might think this was all staged 'to up the ratings'...

Fred's board has several moderators and a strict policy of what can be posted.. Thus, it is still on the Internet (it is the oldest Baja forum).

Amigos de Baja had no moderators outside the three of them (Eric, Trish, Earle) and the popularity of their site made managing it too much work, and they would rather fish...

Now Nomad is as big as Amigos was, or bigger... and Doug only had a couple of moderators to help him... Somebody whined about a negative thread being removed and now Doug is pretty much all alone trying to moderate along with supporting his big family... Unfortunately, Doug wants to please all of you and not moderate this site for fear of offending some of you. You can't please all the people all the time... This is the Internet, and what any of us post shouldn't be considered 'cast in stone'... It is electronic graffiti, that's all.

Tell Doug you want the old Nomad back, with moderators who will quickly remove personal name calling, fighting, and profanity and too bad if anyone doesn't like it!

[Edited on 7-7-2005 by David K]

bajaloco - 7-7-2005 at 08:21 AM

This is what appears to be the same thing that happened to The Amigo's board...I don't know what happened behind the scene there, but this is kinda like deja vu... A few rotten apples can spoil the whole basket...I say get along with each other or leave...Most of us are tired of the crap...Gary

Osprey - 7-7-2005 at 08:30 AM

Almost like my Fortunate Strangers group. Interesting to see who fans the flames of discord and discontent, who keeps a distance from trouble, who holds high the flag of conciliation and/or raproachment.

Hey Yankee

jrbaja - 7-7-2005 at 08:36 AM

Maybe you should start a Poll! :lol:

Every once in a while, DK says something that rubs me the wrong way. There are also others and I'm sure not everyone enjoys what I have to say about what I see going on down here. Thus the battles.
They have been going on since long time ago. But, they are generally short lived and go away when everyone gets tired of argueing. And I'm pretty sure everyone is tired of argueing.
I also notice that when I am not posting, the arguements are still there so I guess I am not solely responsible for ruining your board.
As Bruce says, there are some strong personalities that are interested in Baja. And individuality is alive and well in these folks. Adventurers you might even say. So, conflict can be expected since there is also backbone involved.
Unlike entire groups posting anonymously so they can pretend to have some cajones! :lol:

Hang in there Dude. It'll all be over inaminit. Or, I'm sure there is a Baja "Noodle Nomad" board somewhere that everyone agrees and kisses arse to each other at every bend in the washboard.
There are even enclaves down here that specialize in that stuff. U2U for directions if you are interested :lol:

Oso - 7-7-2005 at 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by bajaloco
This is what appears to be the same thing that happened to The Amigo's board...I don't know what happened behind the scene there, but this is kinda like deja vu... A few rotten apples can spoil the whole basket...I say get along with each other or leave...Most of us are tired of the crap...Gary

To really know what happened, you'd need to hear it from the Robitailles. IMO, they just never really made any money with it and got tired of all the time it was taking away from other pursuits. At the time, there was a lot of this same horsecrap going on, but there was also still a lot of valuable and enjoyable things too. I doubt that the bickering alone was enough to make the decision to pull the plug. Most websites seem to have mortal lifespans.

PacO - 7-7-2005 at 09:32 AM

I tend to think a very few people credit themselves w/an inordinate amount of influence on the total people who view and occassionally post on this board. This is almost a tidal event and this crap ebbs and flows in volume.
Anyway, I digress, I tend to think only a very few give a crap about a few chubascos. This board is fine the way it is and these very few involved in this peeing match, speaking for myself, are largely ignored.
Maybe we should have a contest to the change labels, say from Elite or Ultra Nomad to something more appropriate like......... breeze, heavy wind, chubasco, hurricane. I'm sure many of you would be more original.

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2005 at 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Almost like my Fortunate Strangers group. Interesting to see who fans the flames of discord and discontent, who keeps a distance from trouble, who holds high the flag of conciliation and/or raproachment.

I like to play in all the corners but I guess you have all figured that by now. If I ever put my real feelings out there Half of the people would hate me and half would like me. I want every one to like me I like everyone here on the Nomads except maybe Anon. :lol:

[Edited on 7-7-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

Eli - 7-7-2005 at 09:35 AM

I have been around Baja Amigos and Baja Nomad forums for just a few years. Certainly I am not a big time poster, nor do threads I start get big hits or much reply, that's o.k., evan as a minor player on this board I am grateful for the opportunity to express an opinion or tell a story when I feel the need to.

I must admit that I have never ever seen a time when someone isn't flaming, provoking or harrasing someone. I don't see it as any worse today than the first day I opened up the forum and started reading. People come and go, people complain about the personal bouts, some folks engage them, surly some feed them, lots of us ignore them. Always remembering when I enter in to the forum, that we all have the right to not open a tread or close it when we see it going no where but petty name calling. Sometimes I read the looneytoons, more often I only get thru a minumal of the a dialog that doesn't personally interest me, and put it away and go on to what does interest me; Ah them stories which are few and far between, but that's o.k. , I am grateful for them when they come along. I am also always grateful for word from home, how the weather is, learning stuff like about the Humbolt squid, great pictures, all bring me closer to what I consider my true home, B.C.S.

Again, I must reinstate that I humbly give thanks for the freedom of expression permitted on this board. Thanks Doug, for running a great board, I am happy with it just the way it is, that freedom of expression is a great gift that you give us, I would hate to see it monterated away............

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2005 at 09:40 AM

I have made countless Friends here and very few enemies, so there is the real value of this Forum. it is worth Gold to me.

Eli - 7-7-2005 at 09:49 AM

That is very true Bruce, I have become truly fond of reading your posts over the last year, they bring me a smile more often than not, thanks for always putting the "good word" forward, Sara

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2005 at 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Eli
That is very true Bruce, I have become truly fond of reading your posts over the last year, they bring me a smile more often than not, thanks for always putting the "good word" forward, Sara

that is what I'm talking about. you have made my day. friendship is truly priceless. :bounce:

now we're gettin' soapy

Sharksbaja - 7-7-2005 at 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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that is what I'm talking about. you have made my day. friendship is truly priceless. :bounce:

It's the ying for the yang. thanx. CK

DanO - 7-7-2005 at 12:33 PM

It's just not reasonable to expect a diverse group of humans to act the same way or agree to a certain code of conduct, particularly when the form of their communications -- the internet -- insulates them from face to face interaction and any effective form of discipline. Hell, if this were a high school instead of an electronic forum, you still couldn't do it (even the Army can't completely squelch diversity and controversy -- ever read Stars & Stripes?).

People are different, express themselves differently, and, like it or not, vary widely in terms of what they view as acceptable behavior, language, and levels of aggression. It's part of what makes all of us, and this board, interesting. Baja is not a flat, featureless plain, and I don't expect a communications forum for those who enjoy it to be one either.

Good Post

Sharksbaja - 7-7-2005 at 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by DanO
It's just not reasonable to expect a diverse group of humans to act the same way or agree to a certain code of conduct, particularly when the form of their communications -- the internet -- insulates them from face to face interaction and any effective form of discipline. Hell, if this were a high school instead of an electronic forum, you still couldn't do it (even the Army can't completely squelch diversity and controversy -- ever read Stars & Stripes?).

People are different, express themselves differently, and, like it or not, vary widely in terms of what they view as acceptable behavior, language, and levels of aggression. It's part of what makes all of us, and this board, interesting. Baja is not a flat, featureless plain, and I don't expect a communications forum for those who enjoy it to be one either.

Pretty obvious for some of us, but alas, some haven't learned the finer art of cyber-communication.

Baja Bernie - 7-7-2005 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by PacO
I tend to think a very few people credit themselves w/an inordinate amount of influence on the total people who view and occassionally post on this board. This is almost a tidal event and this crap ebbs and flows in volume.
Anyway, I digress, I tend to think only a very few give a crap about a few chubascos. This board is fine the way it is and these very few involved in this peeing match, speaking for myself, are largely ignored.

PacO, Very well said and I agree!

The way Doug is dealing with the personalities on this board is a very mature and understanding approach to handling a diverse bunch of independent thinkers (?)

Quote by David K

"Tell Doug you want the old Nomad back, with moderators who will quickly remove personal name calling, fighting, and profanity and too bad if anyone doesn't like it!"

I do not believe that any of us should be telling Mr. Means how to run HIS board. I certainly do not feel that as adults we need a few chosen ones to censor our posts. If we can't realize what a fun playpen Doug has provided and act accordingly then Doug should just make the offender to 'go away'--but that should be his sole decision.
Hope the hell he does not decide to make me go away because I truly enjoy the learning that goes along with the give and take on this board AND as someone keeps saying I would just have to 'get a life.'

Let's 'all' make life a little easier for Doug and more fun for each other.

Debra - 7-7-2005 at 05:09 PM

Shark, Dan O. and Bruce, Hear hear! Well said!

Now confess Bruce:......Do you? or do you not? have a "spelling ringer" come in for you on occasion? Not puting you down, REALLY, I like your posts just as they are, it just seems that some days you have 'ol Noah in you pocket and somedays you don't. As I fellow rotten speller I feel a need to find out your tricks! :biggrin:

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2005 at 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Debra
Shark, Dan O. and Bruce, Hear hear! Well said!

Now confess Bruce:......Do you? or do you not? have a "spelling ringer" come in for you on occasion? Not puting you down, REALLY, I like your posts just as they are, it just seems that some days you have 'ol Noah in you pocket and somedays you don't. As I fellow rotten speller I feel a need to find out your tricks! :biggrin:

you are right some days I just hit it lucky. and some days nothing gets spelled right. :lol:

when I do my recipes I do them on word and get Edith to check them over so they are always better . :?:

me too, Bruce

Sharksbaja - 7-7-2005 at 07:25 PM

only it's on a c-cktail napkin which I can never seem to find. :lol:

I look upon 'Baja Nomad' as...

Mexray - 7-7-2005 at 07:25 PM

...a wonderful 'window' through which I get to see all kinds of neat stuff (sometimes not so neat...) about Baja California. The many contributors here write about so many 'Baja' things I'd probably never get exposed to, had I not 'stopped' by to lurk every day or so...

I like to post when I think I have something to contribute to the 'conversation', or give a brief, 'Thanks' to those that have taken their time to enlighten the rest of us about our beloved 'Baja'...the Trip reports and photos, keep Baja's 'Soul' alive in those of us that can't get down there as often as we'd like!

For the most part, I just ignore the the 'flames' and such rot...if anyone has 'Flamed' me, it's lost on blind eyes, as I haven't read those threads long enough to see it!

By in large, the volume of Baja California information provided, places to see, GPS waypoints offered, peoples names to pass along, photos of favorite Baja places and the faces of those we read about here are just invaluable! Just think of all the good times we had with Senor Jimmy before his 'retiring' to calmer waters and brighter skys...as an example!

I find no 'stagnation' of this board. It's as vibrant as always, and if it lags at times, it's only our own fault - we posters here! Leave the 'flames' alone - they will die on their own 'petard' without getting the heated attention they crave!

Newbies visiting Baja Nomad have ton's of good Baja information at their finger tips by lurking the many separate forum catagories...as do we 'members' when looking for a forgotten item or lesson learned and written by another Baja Nomad that's been-there-done-that!

If it's a foggy day, keep looking for that 'break' that will let you enjoy the blue sky above!

Mexray

Baja Bernie - 7-7-2005 at 07:40 PM

Wishing Blue Sky's to you and yours.

forum

mulege marv - 7-7-2005 at 07:45 PM

this forum gets out of hand at times but what doesnt these days? just because i live in baja doesnt make me an expert or "holy". i benefit alot from posts from people who have visited and discovered something that i took for granted or just overlooked. i read most of the posts and alot of times do not have alot to offer in return. but i have made some solid friendships here, i think we all have have a passon for baja or we wouldnt be here, and just have different views, no different that life. we all have different values, i really dont think a common like should be argued about.

[Edited on 7-8-2005 by mulege marv]

And blue Skies to you also, Sr. Bernie...Thanks.

Mexray - 7-7-2005 at 07:54 PM

Marv...did you get the 'steekers' I sent to you in Mulege, yet? Just wanted to know if the 'Baja Pony Express' was still bringing mail down you way...regards, Ray

steekers

mulege marv - 7-7-2005 at 07:59 PM

yes i did , sorry for not letting you know, they were appreciated, thank you mexray !

surfer jim - 7-7-2005 at 08:05 PM

Yankee...your first post got it right..... :yes:

I keep expecting to hear

jrbaja - 7-7-2005 at 09:18 PM

Willy Nelson through my speakers after reading this :lol:

Diver - 7-7-2005 at 10:25 PM

Always love to hear him sing "Crazy".

Seems to fit......"actions contrary to or in opposition to commonly accepted behaviors or actions; non-sensical behavior; ineffectual, unintelligible communications behaviors....."

To paraphrase; people who make no sense and keep doing it, people who spend their time making statements or efforts that they should know will get them nowhere"

Oops, I think I might be talking about me......... :lol:

But I'm not the only one !!!

The Electronic OK Corral

Hook - 7-8-2005 at 10:57 AM

is bound to occur on most any board.

It happens on Allcoast.
It happens on Nomads.
It happens on BD.
It happened on Amigos.

It even happens on some of the new Central American boards I have recently found. Trouble in paradise.....

IT HAPPENS.

If it gets to be too much of a problem, it is much more efficient and effective to BAN OFFENDING PARTIES for a time, rather than attempt to police every frickin' post.

Let 'em change email addresses or servers or whatever. They will still be readily apparent. Or, they will tone it down.

Personally, I like the "hands off" style of dealing with it. It's pretty simple to avoid posts by the Earps or the Clantons. But some just can't seem to do that.

Somehow, I think JR was referring to "Blue Eyes Cryin' in the Rain.

[Edited on 7-8-2005 by Hook] :lol:

[Edited on 7-8-2005 by Hook]

yo ho.. yo ho... and a bottle of rum.....

yankeeirishman - 7-8-2005 at 04:02 PM

Whoa! Not one damn flaming or trolled post reply here! Thank you, you give me hope! Just as the days of bearded ladies and midgets in the sideshow are over?.
I hope that the playpen here has dissipated its ?midnight horror shows?. Mudslinging your fellow Nomad is fun?the threats and name-calling is not, to many of us.
All of you responded with strong, positive ?I give a damn? remarks. This must had been very encouraging ordeal towards the Warriors and Beasts here. Should none have noted here?the postings all of suddenly became more flushed with the great stuff that it once produced a few months ago. Good going all!
Yes?I saw a few of the fighting going in the other topics, but not in the General and Question n Answer forums too much?but certainly of the fact, the tones and heat has died off to a settled level of sanity.
I encourage all of us, the Newbies (worms!) and the old timers here?to enter (flood) the postings with good stories, facts, re-posts and funnies?to get the moral of the board back to its peak. It was fun for me (again) to read my Nomad Forums today!
See ya later as I enter the Mr. Stinson Beach Muscleman Contest this week end. I may win 79th place! Till Monday?all you Vikings hold the ship in her glory!

Oh settle down Yankee

jrbaja - 7-8-2005 at 04:09 PM

You musta missed the serious chubascos that blew though about a year os so ago. Now that we have all been put in our places, it should calm down for a while.
Nevertheless, good to see you back and good luck with the competition! :lol:

yankeeirishman - 7-8-2005 at 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
You musta missed the serious chubascos that blew though about a year os so ago. Now that we have all been put in our places, it should calm down for a while.
Nevertheless, good to see you back and good luck with the competition! :lol:

Oh settle down Yankee? Hell..I just need to catch up with you to settle down! Txs JR

bajalera - 7-8-2005 at 04:43 PM

It seems to me that lately we're indulging in these boring Now-Let's-Everyone-Be-Nice! threads too dang often. Some Nomads can exchange opinions politely and others cannot, but it doesn't take very long to figure out who is which.

Oh no wait,

jrbaja - 7-8-2005 at 05:22 PM

We are still being put in our places! :lol:

Dave - 7-8-2005 at 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
We are still being put in our places! :lol:

Yes, but you don't stay there.

Yep

jrbaja - 7-8-2005 at 05:27 PM

:lol:

this whole thread is repulsive..

eetdrt88 - 7-8-2005 at 08:21 PM

in a cute cuddly kind of way....kind of like this picture :lol:

Gypsy Jan - 7-8-2005 at 08:38 PM

gee, eedirt, repulsive and attractive?

OK, eccchhhh and awwww!

Maybe that is the two sides of Baja.

bajalera - 7-9-2005 at 11:01 PM

Aw, dirt, those cute little things really get me--and I'm not even very fond of cats.

JESSE - 7-10-2005 at 09:27 AM

This board is fine, it wouldnt be a Baja board if it wasnt for the necessary gringo soap opera group as well as the lonely Mexican who stirs things up every once in a while.

Enjoy your board, its far far from dead or sick.

Jesse

jrbaja - 7-10-2005 at 10:09 AM

Are you lonely? :lol:

Cmon down to the beach any time Amigo. And I imagine most of us miss your stirring! :light:

JESSE - 7-10-2005 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
Are you lonely? :lol:

Cmon down to the beach any time Amigo. And I imagine most of us miss your stirring! :light:

Wish i was, i am up to the neck in work, and will be for the next 2 months, sure wish i could take you on that and just drink a beer and not think about nothing. But, thats what it takes of you want the best alta cocina mexicana restaurante in TJ.

Saludos!!!

Andale !

jrbaja - 7-10-2005 at 10:22 AM

but, if you can sneak away for an hour, :light: