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1907 Baja Map

David K - 11-13-2008 at 04:21 PM

From the 1910 book, 'Camp and Camino in Lower California' is this fold out map...






Barry A. - 1-21-2010 at 10:36 AM

Thanks for reminding me of that book, David. I just pulled it off my shelf to read again----------great book!!!!

Barry

capt. mike - 1-21-2010 at 12:20 PM

very cool stuff.

David K - 1-21-2010 at 02:55 PM

I posted close-up images of this map in this thread: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=43742

and here are some of them:

From north to south (drawn my Arthur North showing his travel route through Baja in 1905-06:













[Edited on 1-21-2010 by David K]

grmpb - 1-21-2010 at 03:31 PM

great read. also check out graham mackintosh, journey with a baja burro. this trip roughly followed arthur north's trip a little less than a century later.

David K - 1-21-2010 at 03:59 PM

1997 trip...

Very good book! Order from Graham at http://grahammackintosh.com




Graham and Mision at San Fernando Velicata





[Edited on 1-21-2010 by David K]

LaTijereta - 1-22-2010 at 07:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by grmpb
great read. also check out graham mackintosh, journey with a baja burro. this trip roughly followed arthur north's trip a little less than a century later.


These guys followed Col. North's trail in 1963.. Then published great book with images of the missions..


David K - 1-23-2010 at 06:10 AM

Actually... it was early than that Kris! They were down there in 1949 to 1950... and the book was finally published in 1968. A great adventure and they were so determined to find all the mission sites. I use several of their photos to show the sites as they appeared over 50 years ago.

Cisco - 4-3-2013 at 04:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I posted close-up images of this map in this thread: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=43742

and here are some of them:

From north to south (drawn my Arthur North showing his travel route through Baja in 1905-06:













[Edited on 1-21-2010 by David K]


Very nice. Thank you.

That was a time when the Colorado River was flowing freely also. Must have been a different environment on the NE part of the peninsula. Was there any reference to that David?

The Colorado used to scour itself, bring huge boulders and wash material down with it. Now of course, since damming, the flow has been so restricted it has sand beaches and silt in places and of course very little water even enters the Gulf today.

David K - 4-3-2013 at 04:39 PM

Sure... there were paddle boats that brought supplies off loaded at 'Port Isabel', Sonora to Yuma, Arizona! Port Isabel was at the mouth of the river, north of El Golfo. There were shipyards there... may be an interesting place to explore?

See it on the right edge of this 1930 map:



[Edited on 4-3-2013 by David K]

Ateo - 4-3-2013 at 04:52 PM

Do we know who named the points of the 7 sisters? This is not a trick question -- I'm asking.

David K - 4-3-2013 at 04:54 PM

Here is a 1919 map:


David K - 4-3-2013 at 04:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
Do we know who named the points of the 7 sisters? This is not a trick question -- I'm asking.

Don't ask me, somehow I will get in trouble... How about who named 'Scorpion Bay' or 'Zippers' or '
Shipwrecks'... :?::light:

David K - 4-3-2013 at 04:58 PM

Here is Nelson's 1919 map...


David K - 4-3-2013 at 05:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cisco

Very nice. Thank you.

That was a time when the Colorado River was flowing freely also. Must have been a different environment on the NE part of the peninsula. Was there any reference to that David?

The Colorado used to scour itself, bring huge boulders and wash material down with it. Now of course, since damming, the flow has been so restricted it has sand beaches and silt in places and of course very little water even enters the Gulf today.


From Wikipedia...




Port Isabel was a seaport established in 1865 during the American Civil War in Sonora, Mexico near the mouth of the Colorado River on the Sea of Cortez to support the increased river traffic caused by the gold rush that began in 1862 on the Colorado River and the Yuma Quartermaster Depot newly established in 1864 to support the Army posts in the Arizona Military District.

Port Isabel replaced Robinson's Landing as the place where cargo was unloaded in the river from seagoing craft on to flatbottomed steamboats and carried up to Fort Yuma and points further north on the river.[1]

Port Isabel, was situated on the east bank of the Colorado River on its channel east of Montague Island about 21⁄2 miles from its mouth, at the first good landing place, the shores below being of very soft mud. Port Isabel, served as a location for repairing the river steamers and barges. Additionally about 2 miles above Port Isabel was a site called Ship Yard, which had a few frame buildings where steamboats could be constructed or repaired.[2]

The arrival of the Southern Pacific Railroad in Yuma in 1877 signaled the end of Port Isabel. Trade by sea was replaced with cargo carried by rail. In 1878, George Alonzo Johnson sold his Colorado Steam Navigation Company to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Yuma then became the head of navigation for steamboats operating on the river. Port Isabel was abandoned in 1879.

Colorado River Ports

David K - 4-3-2013 at 05:19 PM

Here is a map drawn from Nelson's 1905 expedition and published in 1919:



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Here is Goldbaum's 1919 map:


Mexitron - 4-3-2013 at 05:35 PM

No "roads" in Baja from San Fernando (access road to Puerto Catarina?) to La Paz except for the access to Calmalii from (Laguna Manuela?)...but already a coastal trail through the Seven Sisters---must have had all the waves to themselves:lol:

David K - 4-3-2013 at 05:42 PM

Sure there were roads... for mules, burros, horses, some may have allowed wagons... The first automobiles to travel south of El Marmol to San Ignacio were in the 1920's.

The Camino Real was the 'mission road' created from the late 1600's to 1834 (the year the last mission was founded in 'California'. The 1907 maps in this thread show Arthur North's rides on some of the mission roads and other trails.

Cisco - 4-3-2013 at 06:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Cisco

Very nice. Thank you.

That was a time when the Colorado River was flowing freely also. Must have been a different environment on the NE part of the peninsula. Was there any reference to that David?

The Colorado used to scour itself, bring huge boulders and wash material down with it. Now of course, since damming, the flow has been so restricted it has sand beaches and silt in places and of course very little water even enters the Gulf today.


From Wikipedia...




Port Isabel was a seaport established in 1865 during the American Civil War in Sonora, Mexico near the mouth of the Colorado River on the Sea of Cortez to support the increased river traffic caused by the gold rush that began in 1862 on the Colorado River and the Yuma Quartermaster Depot newly established in 1864 to support the Army posts in the Arizona Military District.

Port Isabel replaced Robinson's Landing as the place where cargo was unloaded in the river from seagoing craft on to flatbottomed steamboats and carried up to Fort Yuma and points further north on the river.[1]

Port Isabel, was situated on the east bank of the Colorado River on its channel east of Montague Island about 21⁄2 miles from its mouth, at the first good landing place, the shores below being of very soft mud. Port Isabel, served as a location for repairing the river steamers and barges. Additionally about 2 miles above Port Isabel was a site called Ship Yard, which had a few frame buildings where steamboats could be constructed or repaired.[2]

The arrival of the Southern Pacific Railroad in Yuma in 1877 signaled the end of Port Isabel. Trade by sea was replaced with cargo carried by rail. In 1878, George Alonzo Johnson sold his Colorado Steam Navigation Company to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Yuma then became the head of navigation for steamboats operating on the river. Port Isabel was abandoned in 1879.


Neat, neat, neat.

Gracias for the thread and research David. Fascinating stuff.

Mexitron - 4-3-2013 at 07:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Sure there were roads... for mules, burros, horses, some may have allowed wagons... The first automobiles to travel south of El Marmol to San Ignacio were in the 1920's.

The Camino Real was the 'mission road' created from the late 1600's to 1834 (the year the last mission was founded in 'California'. The 1907 maps in this thread show Arthur North's rides on some of the mission roads and other trails.



I know---I put roads in quotes, as per the map's symbol for automobile roads!
Have any pics of that era? Be neat to compare any plant growth seen in the last hundred years, as per your other thread...

vacaenbaja - 4-3-2013 at 08:40 PM

So David I was just re reading Arthur North's book. I find it interesting that even with the advance knowledge of the
scarcity of water past the Santo Domingo area both
Arthur North as well as Hale and Moore of "A Long walk to Mulege" Almost died of thirst trying to reach San Ignacio.
Do you have any idea of which "camino" North took when
they stumbled into San Ignacio? He said that the natives were surprised that he came in by way of the road less taken
rather that the more commonly traveled road of that time.
Just prior to entering San Ignacio North said that he saw signs of rocks that outlined " El camino" as well as a few road side graves.

David K - 4-4-2013 at 10:12 AM

North traveled from Santa Gertrudis (where he left the Camino Real) for Calmalli (near El Arco) to obtain a guide to find for the antelope country across the Vizcaino Desert.... to Ojo de Liebre, water hole 20 leagues from Calmalli. Ojo de Liebre to San Angel was 24 leagues apart. San Angel to San Ignacio was 10 leagues. Just two water holes in 162 miles of desert. A league is the distance a man walks in one hour (North's League is 3 miles long, a Spanish league of the 1700's was closer to 2.5 miles).

There were many mission roads (El Camino Reales) radiating out from missions, such as the case at San Ignacio. A look at Google Earth will reveal many. These roads led to other missions, visitas (sub-mission stations), rancherias (Indian villages), supply ports on the ocean or gulf coast.

David K - 4-4-2013 at 10:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cisco


Neat, neat, neat.

Gracias for the thread and research David. Fascinating stuff.


Glad you like this... I think the amount of history and exploration Baja has to offer makes it the greatest place on Earth for us outdoor adventure seekers!

David K - 4-4-2013 at 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Sure there were roads... for mules, burros, horses, some may have allowed wagons... The first automobiles to travel south of El Marmol to San Ignacio were in the 1920's.

The Camino Real was the 'mission road' created from the late 1600's to 1834 (the year the last mission was founded in 'California'. The 1907 maps in this thread show Arthur North's rides on some of the mission roads and other trails.



I know---I put roads in quotes, as per the map's symbol for automobile roads!
Have any pics of that era? Be neat to compare any plant growth seen in the last hundred years, as per your other thread...


Hi Steve,

Yes it would be neat to compare... the best is to find a photo taken at the same place separated by many years. Remember the lost mission site made famous by Choral Pepper in 1966, and then my photos there in 2009... virtually no change in growth over 40 years.... just a little. I am not sure if the old photo locations taken by North are easy to find again in today's world?

Even buildings vanish!

La Purisima Mission:
1906 (North):


1956 (Gulick):


2001 (Swords):

1926 La Purisima Mission Photo

David K - 12-8-2013 at 11:13 AM


PCmaps - 2-5-2014 at 08:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Sure... there were paddle boats that brought supplies off loaded at 'Port Isabel', Sonora to Yuma, Arizona! Port Isabel was at the mouth of the river, north of El Golfo. There were shipyards there... may be an interesting place to explore?

See it on the right edge of this 1930 map:



[Edited on 4-3-2013 by David K]


First post, so hope I got this right . . .
I've been doing a bit of research on the Colorado Delta, originally trying to find where the Colorado River broke thru to form the Salton Sea, & lately trying to find Port Isabel.
Think I've got the general area, here:
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=31.789397&lon=-114...
Just west of the old Meritech Shrimp plant. Anybody ever been in this area?

PCmaps - 2-5-2014 at 08:21 PM

Well, link didn't seem to work, but if you go to Wikimapia, & wander down to just northeast of Isla Montague, you should see a small polygon where I've marked out about where I think Port Isabel might have been. Click on the polygon, & you should get a short write-up.
Love to visit, but there doesn't seem any easy approach. Appears you could get semi close by accessing the old shrimp plant, but appears from Google maps there is a locked gate blocking entrance to the shrimp plant . . .
John

David K - 2-6-2014 at 09:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PCmaps
Well, link didn't seem to work, but if you go to Wikimapia, & wander down to just northeast of Isla Montague, you should see a small polygon where I've marked out about where I think Port Isabel might have been. Click on the polygon, & you should get a short write-up.
Love to visit, but there doesn't seem any easy approach. Appears you could get semi close by accessing the old shrimp plant, but appears from Google maps there is a locked gate blocking entrance to the shrimp plant . . .
John


Welcome to Baja Nomad! Baja is a land full of adventures in exploration, history and discovery...

Here is the area of your Port Isabel from high up and then close up. This is not far from the highway to El Golfo. In my quick look, I did not see any signs of construction for the old port. Did you?





PCmaps - 2-6-2014 at 10:44 AM

I've read everything I can find on Port Isabel (which admittedly hasn't been much . . .) and looked at a number of old maps ( the maps posted here have been really neat). As best I can guess, Port Isabel is somewhere in the polygon I drew on Wikimapia. But alas, I have scoured Google Maps as closely as possible, and I really can't make out any sign of the old port . . .

In her pretty interesting book "Salt Dreams: Land and Water in Low-Down California" Joan Myers has a couple of photos she took of what remains of Port Isabel, and there are a few pilings, posts, and quays remaining, which does have me wondering if my guessed location is correct . . .

David K - 2-6-2014 at 05:56 PM

PCmaps, have you researched the creation of the Salton Sea (you asked earlier)?

http://saltonseamuseum.org/salton_sea_history.html

Here are some dates:

1901: Imperial Canal brings water from the Colorado River to the Imperial Valley.

1904: Silt blocks the Imperial Canal preventing it from supplying water to the Imperial Valley.

1905: Temporary diversion of the Colorado River, constructed to replace water from the blocked canal, is breached by floodwaters. River changes course and flows into Salton Sink.

1906: Floodwaters continue to fill Salton Sea, washing away a chain of lakes along the route and threatening Imperial Valley’s fledgling agriculture industry.

1906: George Wharton James explores the flooded areas and reports seeing large concentrations of waterfowl, pelicans and other birds in the Salton Sea area.

1906: The Salton Sea is recorded at -195 feet below sea level.

1907: Floodwaters continue to fill Salton Sea until in February Southern Pacific Railroad closes the river breach.

In the 1960's my parents and used to go to the Salton Sea for boat races (Salton Sea 500... by dad and sister raced in before my time), for boating and fishing (Corvina transplanted from San Felipe).

The sea slowly got saltier and began to kill off the fish... ag runoff containing fertilizers added to the poisoning and raised the once static sea level. It is now pretty much a dead sea. The smell of dead fish along the shore keeps many folks away!

PCmaps - 2-6-2014 at 06:30 PM

That’s a really interesting site! First pic I've seen of the New Liverpool Salt Works in operation, and a good pic of the railroad cars dumping rock to dam the flow of the Colorado and restore the river to its orig southward course to the Sea of Cortez.

Yrs ago, I'd heard that the Colorado broke thru its banks & turned west to form the Salton Sea, and I'd always wanted to find the spot where the river broke thru. Expecting some giant ravine (like the New River in Mexicali), I ventured down to the border, but really couldn't find any physical remnant. After a bit of research, I was finally able to locate the exact location, which I marked up on Wikimapia:
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=32.671532&lon=-114...

I also posted up some info on the Alamo Canal, and marked up the locations of the spur tracks used by the railroad to close the breach, and the various control structures that used to exist on the canal. Even found Sharps Heading at the western end of the Alamo Canal - lots of fun!
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=32.662256&lon=-115...
If you click on the various points of interest, a short paragraph will appear with some info on the location.
Though there is no big ravine at the site of the breach, there still is a surprising amt left to be seen.
John

PCmaps - 2-6-2014 at 06:43 PM

Not sure why the links don't work . . . sorry. Might have to copy & paste them; or just go to Wikimapia & wander down to the area just south of the Morelos Dam - lots of things highlighted in the area having to do w/ the Alamo Canal and the diversion of the Colorado River into the Canal, which diversion formed the Salton Sea.
Probably the farmers in Brawley wouldn't be too happy, but had they failed to seal the breach, today we'd have an awesome freshwater lake instead of the stinking cesspool the Salton Sea has become . . .

David K - 2-6-2014 at 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PCmaps
Not sure why the links don't work . . . sorry. Might have to copy & paste them; or just go to Wikimapia & wander down to the area just south of the Morelos Dam - lots of things highlighted in the area having to do w/ the Alamo Canal and the diversion of the Colorado River into the Canal, which diversion formed the Salton Sea.
Probably the farmers in Brawley wouldn't be too happy, but had they failed to seal the breach, today we'd have an awesome freshwater lake instead of the stinking cesspool the Salton Sea has become . . .


Long links with too many characters need to be posted using this button, just above where you type in your posts (not Quick Reply):


Just enter a name for the link and then paste the link url in the spot provided.

Here are your two links:

Colorado River Broke Through Here

Sharps Heading, Alamo Canal

PCmaps - 3-19-2014 at 03:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Sure... there were paddle boats that brought supplies off loaded at 'Port Isabel', Sonora to Yuma, Arizona! Port Isabel was at the mouth of the river, north of El Golfo. There were shipyards there... may be an interesting place to explore?

See it on the right edge of this 1930 map:



[Edited on 4-3-2013 by David K]


Sir David: Am actually looking for Port Isabel . . . hope to make it down later this month.
Anyone else have any old maps that might show Port Isabel?

Also, I plan to take two cars - one to drive on the mud flats, and another car to drive home (in case I can't get the first one back off the mud flats).
US State Dept, though, says
"Mexican law requires that only owners drive their vehicles, or that the owner be inside the vehicle. If not, the vehicle may be seized by Mexican customs and will not be returned under any circumstances"
I own both cars . . .

mtgoat666 - 3-19-2014 at 04:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PCmaps
Sir David: Am actually looking for Port Isabel . . . hope to make it down later this month.
Anyone else have any old maps that might show Port Isabel?

Also, I plan to take two cars - one to drive on the mud flats, and another car to drive home (in case I can't get the first one back off the mud flats).


that was once an active delta, when it was a river. now is inter tidal mud flats and a delta once per decade. the maps were probably only approximate when made, and since then the mudflats have most certainly changed, shifted many kilometers due to subsidence, storm erosion/deposition, etc. if you really want to find the place, spend time talking with locals and follow their clues - if remains exist, they will know. following map likely to be fruitless.

and plan to drive out there? good luck!

please dont treat your second vehicle as disposable on the mudflats, it just adds blight and trash to the natural environment...

PaulW - 3-19-2014 at 04:12 PM

DK,
What is the 1930 map ref? By Who?
PW
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Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Sure... there were paddle boats that brought supplies off loaded at 'Port Isabel', Sonora to Yuma, Arizona! Port Isabel was at the mouth of the river, north of El Golfo. There were shipyards there... may be an interesting place to explore?

See it on the right edge of this 1930 map:



[Edited on 4-3-2013 by David K]

weebray - 3-19-2014 at 04:49 PM

DK. Before we moved to Baja we spent some time in the UC Irvine library "special collections" looking at old books and maps of Baja. Their collection includes some interesting items I have never seen. If you're in the area you may want to check it out here:

http://antpac.lib.uci.edu/search/X?SEARCH=baja+california+ma...

PCmaps - 3-19-2014 at 06:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by PCmaps
Sir David: Am actually looking for Port Isabel . . . hope to make it down later this month.
Anyone else have any old maps that might show Port Isabel?

Also, I plan to take two cars - one to drive on the mud flats, and another car to drive home (in case I can't get the first one back off the mud flats).


that was once an active delta, when it was a river. now is inter tidal mud flats and a delta once per decade. the maps were probably only approximate when made, and since then the mudflats have most certainly changed, shifted many kilometers due to subsidence, storm erosion/deposition, etc. if you really want to find the place, spend time talking with locals and follow their clues - if remains exist, they will know. following map likely to be fruitless.

and plan to drive out there? good luck!

please dont treat your second vehicle as disposable on the mudflats, it just adds blight and trash to the natural environment...


I too would think an old map might be fuitless, but surprisingly, the slough Port Isabel was on hasn't changed much in the last century. At least give me a starting place . . .

I too am pretty dubious about driving, but when I look very closely with Google maps, there are actually a fair number of tire tracks across the flats - we shall see . . .
I'll be trying my luck w/ a Suzuki Samurai, which only weighs 2,000pds - about a third of what a real SUV weighs. Be nice to have a second vehicle, but I haven't found anyone else foolish enough to try . . .
And no, the Samurai is certainly not disposable. I've got a winch, anchor, 500' of tow rope, & sheets of plywood I hope I never need. If I can figure out how to get it into Mexico, I've also got an ATC to lead the way

David K - 3-19-2014 at 06:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
DK. Before we moved to Baja we spent some time in the UC Irvine library "special collections" looking at old books and maps of Baja. Their collection includes some interesting items I have never seen. If you're in the area you may want to check it out here:

http://antpac.lib.uci.edu/search/X?SEARCH=baja+california+ma...


Cool link... here it is clickable: UC Irvine Baja Library

Thank you!

David K - 3-19-2014 at 06:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
DK,
What is the 1930 map ref? By Who?
PW
=========
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Sure... there were paddle boats that brought supplies off loaded at 'Port Isabel', Sonora to Yuma, Arizona! Port Isabel was at the mouth of the river, north of El Golfo. There were shipyards there... may be an interesting place to explore?

See it on the right edge of this 1930 map:



Hi Paul...


1930 Knight map

PaulW - 3-20-2014 at 08:35 AM

Hi David,
That 1930 map sure caught my attention.
Looking at the trail called "Buck Canyon". It is probably the Indian trail over the mountain that we all find familiar. Starts at the Highway area near Chinero and follows Arrajal drainage then goes over Pinta pass then crosses Arroyo Grande and follows Jaquegel over the mountains to the "Indian Village".
Also shown Is "Sharp Peak" and "Sargent Pt".
Thanks, Paul

David K - 3-20-2014 at 08:40 AM

Paul you can view all the map scans I have as they are in my Photobucket maps album

PaulW - 3-20-2014 at 12:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Paul you can view all the map scans I have as they are in my Photobucket maps album

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I noticed that aftet I grabbed the image from this forum
Thanks.
Paul
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David,
Are you able to do that with my pics on my Arroyo link? I use Photobucket for the GPS screen shots
PW

[Edited on 3-20-2014 by PaulW]