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Dengue Fever

BajaB - 10-2-2014 at 05:44 PM

My wife and I are long term residents of Baja and live near Santa Rosalia. Our neighbors have told us that there ar many cases of dengue fever in Santa Rosalia and throughout Baja Sur. Can't go out in the evening because of the swarms of mosquitos.
Just wondering why there's no mention of this outbreak and think people need to be aware before traveling down this month.

BajaBoomerBabe - 10-2-2014 at 05:47 PM

I heard there was a risk of dengue fever this year again due to the heavy mosquito infestation from the rains. Everyone is saying the mosquitos are extremely bad and to bring strong repellant. In Los Cabos area in general.

bajabuddha - 10-2-2014 at 10:18 PM

A very good friend who is a resident of San Lucitas just south of Sta. R. had Dengue 2 summers ago. It's there, rain or shine, but mostly rain. What you can do in your immediate vicinity is to remove any standing water, no matter how small the amount. Little bowls, puddles, nooks and crannies where standing water can last for 1-2 weeks will harbor eggs. First line, bug spray. 2nd, netting. 3rd, puddle eradication. 4th, fervent prayer, tequila, or my fave, stirred martinis at 5 pm.

LancairDriver - 10-2-2014 at 10:26 PM

A friend fishing in Alaska this summer claims he warded off Mosquitos by putting Bounce laundry tissues in his pockets. I personally have not tried it so no confirmation of how effective Bounce is.

joel - 10-2-2014 at 10:26 PM

Someone I know in La Paz just got it. Nasty stuff.

shari - 10-3-2014 at 07:17 AM

Our worker's sister who is in school in La Paz has it and has to come home to recover...be aware...be safe.

azucena - 10-3-2014 at 07:56 AM

The mosquitoes that carry dengue (Aedes aegypti) are generally mosquitoes that are out during the early morning and early evening. I got dengue in Peru. Not so much fun. And the above advice is very important : Get rid of ANY standing water. Water in tires, buckets, bowls, etal. There is no vaccine, nor treatment once you have it. The joint pain can be intense, along with fever and horrible headache. Use only tylenol to lower fever, no aleve or ibuprofin. There is another strain of dengue , hemorrhagic, which can be life threatening.

Dengue could be a REAL problem in the Baja this year with all the rain. be proactive.

vandenberg - 10-3-2014 at 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by azucena
Get rid of ANY standing water. Water in tires, buckets, bowls, etal.

Better yet, get rid of *uncontrolled* standing water and set controlled water traps to actually diminish the population.



Using controlled water traps, how often do you empty the water with the larvae and refresh the water??

azucena - 10-10-2014 at 07:47 AM

Heard from friends in La Ribera that there are many people with dengue right now. Bug repellent is needed.

BajaBlanca - 10-10-2014 at 08:02 AM

I was actually gearing up to write a report for nomads on this precise issue. Last week a teacher was out out for a whole week due to dengue. His baby daughter also got ill. A definite first in La Bocana, as far as I know. The teacher told me that there are so many cases in Punta Abreojos that the older sick folk (his mother in law) were being sent to the La Bocana Health Clinic to recuperate.

I heard that the Rotary Club has organized planes to spray some parts ofMexico.

Being from Brazil, dengue has been an issue there for over 40 years. I have never had it but everyone says you feel like a truck ran over you.

Osprey - 10-10-2014 at 08:28 AM

I was wondering if ALL mosquitoes can carry the virus from a person who already has the fever. Sketchy info on that but I think I can infer that there are just 3: Aegypty, Albopictus and Aficanus.

Several years back after a severe rain event in the La Paz area I heard they asked all families to help in the epidemic by taking home marginal patients with other conditions as they needed 1200 more beds than were available there (mostly Hemorrhagic victims).

On that occasion locals wiped out the Guaco vines along the roads (to make tea for the victims). This year I think the rage might be papaya leaf tea which enhances the growth of platelets and other blood cells. Sure gonna make some for myself and soon.



















[Edited on 10-10-2014 by Osprey]

Mulegena - 10-10-2014 at 12:03 PM

Regarding standing water as breeding grounds...

The vent pipe in your septic tank is a ready-made entrance/exit for the buggers. A simple cover of a piece of old window screen secured with a zip tie do the trick.

bajabuddha - 10-10-2014 at 12:06 PM

I believe in eating at least 4 ripe bananas a day. After a few days you secrete a lot of banana oil out on your skin, and when they come down to bite they slip and break their little noses!
:lol: :bounce: :biggrin:

azucena - 10-10-2014 at 02:20 PM

Osprey
See my above post. The nasty buggers are Aedes Aegypti.

Osprey - 10-10-2014 at 02:22 PM

No, the other two are carriers per WIKI. I was researching to see if SOME UNNAMED OTHER MOSQUITO CAN TAKE INFECTED BLOOD AND CARRY IT TO ANOTHER HUMAN.

Martyman - 10-10-2014 at 02:34 PM

Mosquitos inject an anti-coagulant into the bite victim first thing. Then the blood sucking begins. Dengue comes into the body with the anti-coagulant.

Osprey - 10-10-2014 at 03:33 PM

Marty, then that brings up another question. Does that mean one infected mosquito can implant the virus in many people and the blood it ingests (and may transfer) has nothing to do with process?

BajaBlanca - 10-11-2014 at 03:54 PM

Osprey -Until now, I had never heard of another mosquito being a transmitter!

Osprey - 10-11-2014 at 04:10 PM

The GG magazine in Los Cabos reports 1100 cases of dengue in La Paz right now. Blanca just google up the disease and go deeper like I did and you can find out of lots of interesting facts.

[Edited on 10-11-2014 by Osprey]

Dengue

msawin - 10-13-2014 at 08:54 PM

Friend from town [Loreto], who works here in Tripui has gotten the bug..

Juanita - 10-14-2014 at 06:07 AM

We have four cases of dengue here in San Ignacio and the big truck sprayer is working its way through town each evening. The adult mosquitoes like to shelter inside damp dark places, urns, shadowed areas, etc. I'm spraying around outside my doors each evening. Also, I notice the screen doors are not tight, so I keep my doors shut in the evening and just leave the windows (with tight screens) open. At dawn, mosquitoes inside the house are drawn to the screen doors (if the solid doors are open) and I can spray them there.

fever

msawin - 10-14-2014 at 08:24 AM

My wife just spoke to a friend in Tripui and she said there are 35 cases in Loreto.

Bob53 - 10-15-2014 at 11:00 AM

A fact about screen doors and windows. They keep out flies but not mosquitoes. I was sitting next to an open window and watched one land on the outside of my window screen. It pushed it's nose through the screen and pulled it's body all the way though and flew into my house. For mosquitoes you need a much finer screen material like on mosquito nets.

larryC - 10-16-2014 at 01:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob53
A fact about screen doors and windows. They keep out flies but not mosquitoes. I was sitting next to an open window and watched one land on the outside of my window screen. It pushed it's nose through the screen and pulled it's body all the way though and flew into my house. For mosquitoes you need a much finer screen material like on mosquito nets.


Bob
You need to get more of a life.

Oggie - 10-17-2014 at 08:22 AM

Three spray trucks were in BOLA this week. There are a lot of bugs here.

joel - 10-18-2014 at 06:36 AM

Has Dengue been this widespread in Baja before? I'm hoping the cooler nighttime temps (at least on the Pacific side, not sure about the Cortez side) will hinder the mosquitos and slow the spread.

mulegemichael - 10-18-2014 at 07:43 AM

in the almost 30 yrs. that i've now been going to baja, i've never seen this large of an outbreak of dengue and i've probably been through around 10 storms or so....so yeah, this is NOT good!....DEET, my friends, DEET!

unbob - 10-18-2014 at 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
DEET, my friends, DEET!
Maybe not ...
http://yucalandia.com/science-health-issues/deets-nastiness-...

MitchMan - 10-18-2014 at 08:25 AM

I was in LA Paz earlier this month and going back on Wednesday. I noticed that the mosquitos seemed a little smaller this year than prior years, but the presence (quantity in the air) didn't seem more...about the same as last year.

Are these critters getting smaller? Seems like they are almost the size of gnats or "no see ums".

mulegemichael, does it seem like there are more of them this year?

WOW, just finished reading the article above. According to the article, deet can have long term deleterious affect on human neurological system. Using deet in conjunction with sunscreen increases the human absorption of deet by 3 to 6 times.

I just bought some deet at 98.7% strength to take to La Paz.

[Edited on 10-18-2014 by MitchMan]

joel - 10-18-2014 at 01:21 PM

I believe it's recommended to use bug spray with 30% DEET as an ingredient. You sure 98.7% is meant for direct use, not as one of several ingredients mixed together?

wessongroup - 10-18-2014 at 01:35 PM

Chemicals ... can't live with them ... and can't live without them ... :biggrin::biggrin:

And they sometimes have multiple effects, once inside the human body ...

Ya hope for the best and take your chances in many cases

MitchMan - 10-19-2014 at 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by joel
I believe it's recommended to use bug spray with 30% DEET as an ingredient. You sure 98.7% is meant for direct use, not as one of several ingredients mixed together?


The stuff I bought is "Sawyer, Premium MAXI DEET insect repellent" it is actually 98.11% deet. 4 fluid ounces in a mechanical (finger press) spray pump plastic bottle. $5 or $6 USD. 10 hours protection against mosquitos. I think that I bought it at WalMart.

I read the directions and the many precautions that came with the product. It is, in fact, intended for direct application. No mention of mixing or diluting the product. Many, many "don'ts". Very emphatic about not putting it near the eyes, mouth, ears, nose. Don't breathe it, don't spray in enclosed areas, and don't use it near food. Can't even apply it under clothing. Don't apply on cuts, wounds or irritated skin. They recommend applying it lightly and then washing it off with soap and water when you go inside the house. Also, you can apply to clothing, but caution you to wash the clothing afterwards.

In my assessment, having read the above article, the precautions on the bottle seem to reflect the potential harmfulness of deet as disclosed in the article. In my view, the tone of the precautions on the bottle confirm the info in the article.

Sounds like scary stuff. Glad all this was brought to my attention.

[Edited on 10-19-2014 by MitchMan]

monoloco - 10-19-2014 at 02:34 PM

The standard OFF that they sell here works just fine if you reapply it every couple of hours. There is absolutely no reason to poison oneself with 99% DEET.

[Edited on 10-19-2014 by monoloco]

bajaspuds - 10-19-2014 at 08:00 PM

I got dengue a few years ago in Manzanillo. It was super bad, then I got a little better, then wham! -- worse than before -- and it lasted longer than normal. Turns out I got it twice. There are four closely related types, all transmitted only by two varieties of mosquito, day biters as mentioned previously, outdoors for sure, but they also love the indoors and are hard to get rid of.

One type can be fatal.

For skeeter details, check out this write-up by the CDC. Full dengue data library at the CDC site too.

http://www.cdc.gov/dengue/entomologyEcology/index.html

wessongroup - 10-19-2014 at 09:41 PM

All pesticides must be registered with the EPA and in some states too

A review of Active Ingredient (AI), was completed in 1998

http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/0002red.pdf

[Edited on 10-20-2014 by wessongroup]

mulegemichael - 10-19-2014 at 09:57 PM

SO...i guess the question is here; do i want dengue or do i want deet...very complex...but to me, is a simple answer....i want deet...and i do not want dengue.....and neither do you....it's not like we'll be bathing ourselves in deet..we'll be using it while we are outdoors, which, in my mind, will be a very little time this time of year when there are millions of mosquitos out there.....let it dry out a bit and have a chilled adult drink on the back porch....use deet....it works and i seriously doubt, at our age, if it will take any significant years off our life....but dengue will...trust me on this one...

Jack Swords - 10-20-2014 at 06:06 AM

Life is about choices. One chooses, then deals with possible consequences. Michael is right on with regards to Dengue, having talked with those who have experienced it. As an avid backpacker in the High Sierra, 100% DEET is the medicine of choice. Skin so Soft, etc. is apparent on fellow backpacker's red blotchy skin and the ultimate request eventually for sharing of the 100% DEET cache. Roaming about in the jungles of Belize, about the only time mosquitos were not biting was when you are rubbing repellant on the skin. Having used 100% for most of my life, I really have not experienced problems with it except for a chemically melted watch crystal and the stink. Then again, maybe my memory is affected. As an aside, friends who are rangers in Yosemite avoid 100% as they would be using it on a daily basis. But then again, there is no Dengue in Yosemite.

Bugman - 10-22-2014 at 04:39 PM

It is the Aedes aegypti mosquito that is the primary transmitter of dengue in Baja. Most of the other mosquito species there do not have the ability to transmit it. When a mosquito first bites a person with dengue and picks up the virus it cannot immediately transmit it to another person. The virus must undergo a replication phase in the mosquito before that mosquito can pass on the infection. This replication phase can take a few days or more depending on the temperature. Also keep in mind that Aedes aegypti is just as happy breeding in homes as it is outside. That means don't leave vases of flowers or plant saucers for more than a few days without changing out the water. As for repellents, DEET is still considered the gold standard but there are others that work nearly as good like oil of lemon eucalyptus or picaridin. There is really no need to apply DEET at greater than 30% concentration. All that gets you is a little bit longer protection. You can just reapply the stuff a bit more frequently using the lower concentrations. Some of the more common myths that continue to show up but are not going to help much are UV bug zappers (make you think they are working by zapping lots of harmless bugs but hardly any mosquitoes), citronella (barely works so hardly worth it), dryer sheets (no good for bugs) and electronic or sonic repellers (totally worthless, don't waste your money). :cool:

bacquito - 10-23-2014 at 10:30 AM

Has there been reported cases of Dengue in Ensenada, Punta Banda?

[Edited on 10-23-2014 by bacquito]

Dengue Vaccine for Mexico

Mulegena - 10-25-2014 at 06:37 PM

by mid-2015

http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-first-vaccination-den...

Dengue fever updates

BajaB - 10-28-2014 at 03:00 PM

http://octavodia.mx/categoria/19/salud

Dengue outbreak is getting worse.

monoloco - 10-28-2014 at 03:53 PM

Many people here have had it, if they are reporting 500 new cases, you can bet it's at least 10 times that many because most who come down with it don't bother to go to a doctor. I know at least a dozen who have had it this summer.

mtgoat666 - 10-28-2014 at 04:49 PM

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Dengue / yellow fever mosquito reaches San Diego!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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County environmental health officials are asking the public for help after the discovery of a new invasive mosquito in San Diego County that feeds in daylight hours and can transmit several diseases.

“We’re urging people to look for, and to eliminate or report any standing water that could be breeding grounds for mosquitoes, outside their homes, but also inside their homes because these small mosquitoes like to breed inside too,” said Elizabeth Pozzebon, director of the San Diego County Department of Environmental Health.

County officials said military entomologists at Naval Base San Diego had discovered four Aedes aegypti mosquitoes, otherwise known as “yellow fever mosquitoes,” in the last couple of weeks in offices at the base, situated on San Diego Bay.

Navy and County vector control teams are working together to put up traps on and around the base to determine if there are more of these mosquitoes. Los Angeles County vector control officials also announced recently that they have found yellow fever mosquitoes in the cities of Commerce and Pico Rivera.

The Aedes aegypti mosquito is small and black with white stripes. It differs from native California mosquitoes in that it is known as an aggressive pest that likes to feed mainly during the day, rather than mostly at dusk and dawn. It also likes to live in urban areas and breed in containers, inside and outside of people’s homes — in almost anything that can contain water — from flowerpots, saucers and cups, to spare tires, rain gutters, untreated swimming pools and drainage ditches. Because it likes urban areas and will breed indoors, people might want to report occurrences where mosquitoes are biting indoors during daylight hours to County vector control.

The yellow fever mosquito has commonly been found on the East Coast. However, it started showing up in a few California counties in 2013. Officials want to keep it out of the state because it can spread dangerous diseases, including yellow fever, chikungunya and dengue fever.

Those diseases are very rare here.

Yellow fever, once known as “yellow jack” and “yellow plague,” is largely contained to tropical areas of Africa and Latin American, and there hasn't been an outbreak in the United States in more than 100 years. In rare cases it has affected U.S. travelers who have visited tropical countries.

Chikungunya is a viral disease that has historically been kept to Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Indian and Pacific Oceans. However, it has been spreading in recent years. This year, two travelers brought it home to San Diego County and more than 100 cases — including the first two locally acquired cases in U.S. history — have been reported in Florida, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Chikungunya is spread by infected mosquitoes and cannot be transmitted person-to-person. Symptoms include fever and severe joint pain, often in the hands and feet, and can include headache, muscle pain, joint swelling and rash. The disease is rarely fatal, but there is no vaccine or medication for it.

Dengue fever is still rare, but has been seen here on a yearly basis. San Diego County Department of Health and Human Services statistics report that a dozen people in San Diego County got sick from dengue fever in both 2012 and 2013, after contracting the disease while visiting other countries. There has been one confirmed case here in 2014, which was also contracted outside the county.

Dengue disease, and the more severe dengue hemorragic fever, is caused by any of four related viruses. Dengue hemorrhagic fever can be fatal and there is no vaccine or cure. The CDC reports that the Yellow Fever mosquito is the main carrier of dengue fever in the Western Hemisphere. Like chikungunya, dengue cannot be spread from person to person. Symptoms include sudden onset of fever, severe headache, severe pain behind the eyes, joint pain, muscle and bone pain, rash and mild bleeding.

County officials said people should remember to follow the general advice they have urged people to follow to battle another mosquito-borne disease, West Nile virus: “Prevent, Protect, Report.”

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[Edited on 10-28-2014 by mtgoat666]

AKgringo - 10-28-2014 at 05:18 PM

I have been staying at the Maranatha Camp in La Paz for the last six days, and the area must have been sprayed, because I have not needed to use repellent so far this trip. I have had problems with no-seeums here before, but right now, no bites, no deet!
Having said that, my dental work is on hold while the specialist who did my implant recovers from denge fever.

MitchMan - 10-31-2014 at 04:51 PM

AKgringo, I'm in Chametla and I haven't had to use any mosquito repellent either.

But, since there was a lot of yard growth of weeds, there have been a ton of spiders, grasshoppers and crickets.

Found a small yellow live scorpion in front of my couch on the floor when I first got here (that's where I usually sit to have dinner and watch movies.

Less afraid of things these days; just have to live with them I guess. I keep the place pretty secure and closed up, but a couple of times a year a scorpion makes his way in. Can't get rid of the newts either. There is always at least one somewhere in the house.

Pretty sure that I had dengue fever about 5 years ago just after getting the house. It was supposed to be a 2 week visit, but I got this fever and headache that wouldn't go away, kept getting worse. The lethargy was unbelievable; never experienced that before. All I could do was stay in bed for 3 days and sleep. Had to cancel departing flight and reschedule. I just thought that I had a bad fever, but now that I have read up a bit on dengue, I am pretty sure that is what it was; didn't know it at the time though. It hit like a ton of bricks, then it went away. I remember that I had a bunch of mosquito bites on my arms and legs...not deet on hand. When I first got here, it was much wetter than the last 3 years have been.

Bob53 - 11-10-2014 at 05:58 PM

Dengue vaccine...
http://www.banderasnews.com/1411/hb-mexicotobefirstfordengue...

[Edited on 11-11-2014 by Bob53]

pauldavidmena - 11-13-2014 at 08:01 AM

I've heard that George Bergin (a.k.a. Osprey) has come down with a nasty case. Here's hoping he's posting some fishing photos soon.

BajaB - 11-13-2014 at 12:37 PM

For current information in Spanish check:

http://octavodia.mx/articulo/56330/reportan-171-nuevos-casos...

This seems to be one of the worst outbreaks ever with new rounds of fumigation planned. Use wisdom in going to Baja Sur until it really is cooler.

henhenas and such

captkw - 11-14-2014 at 12:13 PM

About 20 years ago I did the big "D" (divorce) and decided to drive a 23 C class towing a small boat (Livingston) to costa rico and become a full time fishing/dive/surf guia...I never got any shots but drank a hell of flora de cana and rubed it on all exposed boady parts..worked well..never got bitten..BUT I did catch a river born jungle rot that ate me alive !! scary crap down there...VIVO BAJA !!...K&T:cool:

bajabuddha - 11-15-2014 at 10:55 PM

n I had 2 go 2 dictionary.com 4 that one!!! (n, WTF is a 'henhena? ...n' such?) :?:

bajaspuds - 11-16-2014 at 12:01 AM

... jejenes? perhaps ... aka: no see 'ums

pesky, for sure ... and sometimes they can transmit parasites and/or disease ... but not the dengue

[Edited on 11-16-2014 by bajaspuds]

[Edited on 11-16-2014 by bajaspuds]

bajabuddha - 11-16-2014 at 12:10 AM

Ahhh, aka: bobo's (although, from former threads, I think there's a difference, maybe...). And, as stated before, no-see-ums are easily defeated by pure Mexicano Vanilla, preferably the clear if you can find it. Does NOT work for skeeters and Dengue, but for the Li'l buggers it is a miracle cure.

motoged - 11-16-2014 at 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by bajabuddha
....no-see-ums are easily defeated by pure Mexicano Vanilla, preferably the clear if you can find it. ...


BB,
And do the chicks dig it????;D

CatCrazyJulie - 11-16-2014 at 12:45 PM

Just back from a month in Cabo Pulmo (and getting ready to fly back down; flew home briefly to take care of some business). During the first week of November, there were two residents of Cabo Pulmo down with Dengue fever, out of a total of about 200 residents. The mosquitoes were finally started to slack off a little bit, then hurricane Vance dumped about 2 inches of rain in one day, so the skeeters have probably picked back up.

Down in Pulmo, they say to be careful not to take any blood-thinning medications such as aspirin when you have dengue, because that increases the risk of it turning hemorrhagic. I haven't done any research myself, but that's the word from all the folks who have lived there for a while (Mexican and gringo). There is only one med that they say is safe to take to treat the pain and fever that's available in Mexico...whose name escapes me at the moment. Anyone?

bajabuddha - 11-16-2014 at 03:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by bajabuddha
....no-see-ums are easily defeated by pure Mexicano Vanilla, preferably the clear if you can find it. ...


BB,
And do the chicks dig it????;D

Ged, I dig it on the chicks too !!! Beats kissing deet....... ;)

chuckie - 11-16-2014 at 03:54 PM

Sure helped my ex wife....

Mulegena - 11-16-2014 at 08:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CatCrazyJulie
...be careful not to take any blood-thinning medications such as aspirin when you have dengue, because that increases the risk of it turning hemorrhagic...There is only one med that... is safe to take to treat the pain and fever that's available in Mexico...whose name escapes me at the moment. Anyone?
If you think you have Dengue Fever take Paracetamol for the headaches & muscle and joint pain. Tylenol or the generic Acetaminophen are the exact same medicine but are sold in Mexico over-the-counter as Paracetamol.

Why is this over the counter medicine the drug-of-choice in treating Dengue? It reduces fever and relieves pain. The beauty part is how this wonderful medicine does what it does: it works on the hypothalamus of the brain (if ya' got one) and actually resets the body temperature lower and raises one's pain threshold, so ya' just feel better sooner. Good stuff, acetaminophen.

Don't take aspirin whatever you do. It's an anti-coagulant, a blood thinner. This won't cause the virus to "turn hemorragic" but it's impossible to know if you've been bitten by a mosquito that carries that particular strain of virus. Other than if you're actively bleeding, blood work to check your platelets and pro-thombin time would be the only definitive diagnosis of hemorrhagic dengue fever. Just stay away from any meds that would make a bad situation worse, and in the case of Hemmorhagic Dengue, that'd be aspirin and other anti-coagulants.

Yes, there have been some cases of hemorrhagic dengue in Baja Sur. Those patients are sent to La Paz Salvatierra Hospital for treatment.

If you're on blood-thinners and begin to feel bad and think you have dengue, consult with a doctor immediately.

The basic Dengue Treatment:
Stay out of the sun and don't exert yourself.
Do rest... a whole lot of rest.
Do drink plenty of water to stay hydrated.
Do drink lots and lots of gatorade-type products that are called "suero" down here.
Lay off the booze - even Pacificos will dehydrate ya'. Sorry.
If you vomit, take something for that so you don't get dehydrated - a real issue with many I've noticed.
If you get too sick, go to any clinic and they'll probably give you iv fluids.
It's been reported that when victims of dengue develop an bumpy rash, it's a sign they're going to get better.

Stay away from mosquitos. Having had Dengue doesn't give you immunity from getting it again. One's ability to deal with the dengue virus has something to do with one's general state of health and well-being, I've noticed. Some folks suffer with it a long time. Others throw it off within 3-4 days. Remember, you can get it again-- even while you have it!

alacran - 11-17-2014 at 10:05 AM

I had a start of dengue, here in Mulege, I was told that the tea of a plant called "Guacura" will help, I had 3 cups of the tea for 3 days, and it worked.Several other people that I know it also worked for them.

Guacura

Mulegena - 11-17-2014 at 10:12 AM

Most excellent news, Alacran.
Glad you're feeling better.
Can you tell us about the plant and where you got it?
How it's prepared - used, root or leaf?

4x4abc - 11-17-2014 at 10:43 AM

Guacura sounds good - however, dengue only lasts 2 or 3 days anyway.
I came down with it yesterday (for the 3rd time)
it's painful chit

Mulegena - 11-17-2014 at 10:58 AM

Yes, while the average healthy person can throw off the virus in 3-4 days it can last longer.

Dengue can linger on for some time depending upon the individual's general state of health and immune response.

Also, a person can become re-infected.

As those who've suffered it know, it's a nasty buggah!

CatCrazyJulie - 11-17-2014 at 01:35 PM

Thanks for the info on Paracetomol/acetaminophen - that's useful!

Also, for anyone who doesn't know (I didn't know this until I chanced up a radio show about acetaminophen): Tylenol/acetaminophen is considered safe in the dose on the package, but it is *not* considered safe in more than the dose recommended in the directions, and for vulnerable individuals it can be extremely dangerous in higher doses. Very different than most over-the-counter meds. So stick to the recommended dose.

The following is from the National Institutes of Health website:

Taking too much acetaminophen can cause liver damage, sometimes serious enough to require liver transplantation or cause death. You might accidentally take too much acetaminophen if you do not follow the directions on the prescription or package label carefully, or if you take more than one product that contains acetaminophen.

To be sure that you take acetaminophen safely, you should
not take more than one product that contains acetaminophen at a time. Read the labels of all the prescription and nonprescription medications you are taking to see if they contain acetaminophen. Be aware that abbreviations such as APAP, AC, Acetaminophen, Acetaminoph, Acetaminop, Acetamin, or Acetam. may be written on the label in place of the word acetaminophen. Ask your doctor or pharmacist if you don't know if a medication that you are taking contains acetaminophen.

- take acetaminophen exactly as directed on the prescription or package label. Do not take more acetaminophen or take it more often than directed, even if you still have fever or pain. Ask your doctor or pharmacist if you do not know how much medication to take or how often to take your medication. Call your doctor if you still have pain or fever after taking your medication as directed.

- be aware that you should not take more than 4000 mg of acetaminophen per day. If you need to take more than one product that contains acetaminophen, it may be difficult for you to calculate the total amount of acetaminophen you are taking. Ask your doctor or pharmacist to help you.

- tell your doctor if you have or have ever had liver disease.

- not take acetaminophen if you drink three or more alcoholic drinks every day. Talk to your doctor about the safe use of alcohol while you are taking acetaminophen.

- stop taking your medication and call your doctor right away if you think you have taken too much acetaminophen, even if you feel well.

Talk to your pharmacist or doctor if you have questions about the safe use of acetaminophen or acetaminophen-containing products.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a681004.htm...

alacran - 11-17-2014 at 11:30 PM

GUACURA, is a weed that "used" to grow wild all around in Baja (said used to because there has and is a great demand for it, against dengue)
I got some, and taking a pinch of it in hot water (I added a little honey) tasted ok, and it worked for me.

bajabuddha - 11-18-2014 at 07:41 AM

I googled and wiki'd 'guacura' and came up with zilch. Closest thing was 'Guaycura', a native indigenous tribe of south cape, Baja that has since disappeared, and 'Guacara', which is a State and River in Venezuela. Is there another name for the species of plant you're referring to? Is it a shrub like oregano and daminana (both are prolific all over south cape)?

mtnpop - 11-18-2014 at 08:04 AM

just received word that there have been over 400 cases come to the clinic in Mulege this fall..

several workers and friends in town have it now....

glad we are only dealing with the frostbite right now...

alacran - 11-18-2014 at 10:13 AM

Yes it is a shrub, bush.
I have no other name for it, probably a home grown name.

mtgoat666 - 11-18-2014 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by mtnpop
just received word that there have been over 400 cases come to the clinic in Mulege this fall..

several workers and friends in town have it now....


dengue now endemic to the area. this year a bit worse than others due to a bit longer periods of standing water after the big hurricane.

hopefully the mosquito population will be low during the winter period.

communities need to maintain yards and property to avoid accumulating standing water.

Cypress - 11-18-2014 at 12:08 PM

Probably had dengue fever and didn't know it, just another flu-like ailment.