BajaNomad - IDIOT DRIVERS???

IDIOT DRIVERS???

bajaguy - 10-29-2014 at 06:28 PM

Who drives "The UPS Store" rig???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkkjKvaSLgs&list=UUMAzvp...

Udo - 10-29-2014 at 06:52 PM

I don't know what kind of kick this guy gets out of chasing horses in Baja!

bajaguy - 10-29-2014 at 07:07 PM

David, the YouTube video clearly states "horse chase".....these guys were committing an act of animal abuse. They were clearly chasing the horses The horses would have decided to get off the road if the guy would have stopped the vehicle. He didn't need to say anything, his actions speak volumes

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Originally posted by David K
Ummm... it looks to me that he is driving fast on a dirt road in Baja and came upon the horses on the road, also running. The horses decided to not get off the road until near the end of the video. I don't see the guy hitting them or getting as close to them as he could if he was a 'horse hater'. I didn't turn on the sound, was he saying anti-horse things like he wanted to do them harm?

What were his options other than wait for them to get off the road and continue, which is what he did?

bajaguy - 10-29-2014 at 07:19 PM

David this is the title of the video.........

"Horse Chase - 2014 Baja 1000 Pre Run "

For you to defend this type of behavior is irresponsible and incomprehensible.......your responses speak volumes

rts551 - 10-29-2014 at 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The title of the video does not indicate what the purpose of his Mexico trip was, but only an odd event. I saw him driving and then there were horses already running in front, so he followed them until they got off the road.

If he never posted the video of the horses, it didn't mean it never happened. I think it happens a lot, in Mexico? There was a horse with a saddle running in front of a Trophy Truck, filmed by a helicopter, doing the same... running in front until finally getting off the road, at a recent Baja race televised.

Maybe anger should be directed at the horses' owners who allow them to be loose... much the way dog owners are responsible if their dog is in the street?

This guys was pre running. the video was given to SCORE and sent UPS his sponsor.

So no more open range in Mexico DK. hmmm I wish I could see you express this to the horse owners.

DianaT - 10-29-2014 at 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
David, the YouTube video clearly states "horse chase".....these guys were committing an act of animal abuse. They were clearly chasing the horses The horses would have decided to get off the road if the guy would have stopped the vehicle. He didn't need to say anything, his actions speak volumes

A number of comments have been sent to SCORE and to UPS, the sponsors.

It was wrong and does the entire sport harm.

Tioloco - 10-29-2014 at 07:23 PM

Baja guy, UDO-
I just wasted 3:46 of my life watching that video. Animal cruelty it is NOT! You may want to have a stiff drink, take a deep breath and review it again.

David K - 10-29-2014 at 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
David this is the title of the video.........

"Horse Chase - 2014 Baja 1000 Pre Run "

For you to defend this type of behavior is irresponsible and incomprehensible.......your responses speak volumes

If I saw bad behavior or attempted animal cruelty, I would be against it as an animal lover myself. I saw none, and can't figure how you guys did... running horses is now cruel? Running them OVER is... the driver did not!

rts551 - 10-29-2014 at 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by Tioloco
Baja guy, UDO-
I just wasted 3:46 of my life watching that video. Animal cruelty it is NOT! You may want to have a stiff drink, take a deep breath and review it again.

From a racers perspective, this is not how we want to advertise and promote our sport.

dtbushpilot - 10-29-2014 at 07:31 PM

David, the title of the video was "horse chase"......well, I guess that means he was chasing them. I wasted 3:46 of my life too, watching a guy in a truck following some horses galloping down the road. He didn't appear to be going fast or following closely, I saw lots of places where the horses could have easily left the roadway but none of that matters, the title of the video is "HORSE CHASE"!!!! so I guess that must be what he was doing :lol:

Drop it David, they are going to start calling you names to shut you up, don't give them the satisfaction....

David K - 10-29-2014 at 07:33 PM

OK, so note to all racers with Go Pro cameras... DON'T SHARE YOUR INTERACTIONS with Mexican farm animals, even if no harm came to them.

The three monkeys come to mind: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Tioloco - 10-29-2014 at 07:33 PM

Rts-
That may be true, but still is a long way from animal cruelty.

dtbushpilot - 10-29-2014 at 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by rts551

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Originally posted by Tioloco
Baja guy, UDO-
I just wasted 3:46 of my life watching that video. Animal cruelty it is NOT! You may want to have a stiff drink, take a deep breath and review it again.

From a racers perspective, this is not how we want to advertise and promote our sport.

Definitely not, weather he was "chasing" them or not he is at least guilty of being stupid to show the video in the first place.

Tioloco - 10-29-2014 at 07:36 PM

DT-
Well said.... Over and out on this topic!

David K - 10-29-2014 at 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
David, the title of the video was "horse chase"......well, I guess that means he was chasing them. I wasted 3:46 of my life too, watching a guy in a truck following some horses galloping down the road. He didn't appear to be going fast or following closely, I saw lots of places where the horses could have easily left the roadway but none of that matters, the title of the video is "HORSE CHASE"!!!! so I guess that must be what he was doing :lol:

Drop it David, they are going to start calling you names to shut you up, don't give them the satisfaction....

Thanks David... yup, they will come after me, for speaking truth, common sense, or the facts... and it is all just my observations and didn't call them any names. Mob rule is how they try and silence opposition.

MMc - 10-29-2014 at 07:43 PM

This is not good!!! Very bad for reputation of the race and the racers. I am sure if the farmer sees this he will do all he can to ensure the race doesn't cross his land, and maybe so will some of his fellow ranchers, maybe not this race but in the future. There are a lot of folks that would love to see this race stopped and this is just fuel to the fire. Does it happen "yep" should it have been posted "nope". It's out there now and there will be a storm. He should have pulled over and stopped, it will cost him. Some of us would like to keep Baja open and wild, this stuff does not help. Condoning it does not help ether.
Truth is a perception, There are many in the world who's truth is that USA is evil. Our truth is that we are not. Sometimes it good to see the world from other points of view.

[Edited on 10-30-2014 by MMc]

astrobaja - 10-29-2014 at 09:30 PM

David your comments are beyond ignorant even for you!! We have over 20 years of experience with horses in our business, horses are flight animals, they panic when frightened! This idiot driver should have stopped a few minutes and let them settle down and then proceed! These horses will have suffered severe hoof bruising and if one of them was a pregnant mare she could very well have aborted after been run full out for this long! Clearly the drivers were getting their jollies by doing this reprehensible act of cruelty! Hopefully there will be some repercussions for this act, it reflects badly on the whole racing community!

mtgoat666 - 10-29-2014 at 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Who drives "The UPS Store" rig???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkkjKvaSLgs&list=UUMAzvp...

Just looks like your average knuckle dragging off roader.

P.s. Dk is wrong to approve of this, it's inhumane behaviour

rts551 - 10-29-2014 at 09:45 PM

Goat, the average off-roader does not approve of this and are the ones who elevated it for some kind of remedy. It is not the image they want to portray,. thanks for the help though.

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Who drives "The UPS Store" rig???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkkjKvaSLgs&list=UUMAzvp...

Just looks like your average knuckle dragging off roader.

P.s. Dk is wrong to approve of this, it's inhumane behaviour

motoged - 10-29-2014 at 11:25 PM

The video came up as "private....unavailable for viewing"....so I can't waste 3.XX minutes watching it....

However, as an off-roader, animal-appreciator, and human being, I think that it is inappropriate to not consider the animal's world when using our machines to traverse it.

[Edited on 10-30-2014 by motoged]

David K - 10-30-2014 at 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by astrobaja
David your comments are beyond ignorant even for you!! We have over 20 years of experience with horses in our business, horses are flight animals, they panic when frightened! This idiot driver should have stopped a few minutes and let them settle down and then proceed! These horses will have suffered severe hoof bruising and if one of them was a pregnant mare she could very well have aborted after been run full out for this long! Clearly the drivers were getting their jollies by doing this reprehensible act of cruelty! Hopefully there will be some repercussions for this act, it reflects badly on the whole racing community!

Even for me, Mike?

I can't see the entire Baja 1000 coming to a stop because of some loose horses. A motorcycle racer died when he hit a cow or deer last year. Now that is a tragedy, but I heard no outrage when a human is hurt or killed like these running horses have caused. Priorities are interesting sometimes.

Like those in the video, other horses will just get off the road when they are done running in front of the truck. No horses were hit or even look bothered. However, if you think stopping would have encouraged them to get off the race course, then great. I hope SCORE makes an announcement to that bit of expertise. I don't want horses hurt... but running is what horses naturally do.

monoloco - 10-30-2014 at 08:49 AM

I could understand it if there was a race underway, but these guy were just pre-running and should have cut the horses a little slack.

TMW - 10-30-2014 at 08:53 AM

I have come upon horses and cows in the road in Baja and they will run ahead even when there is a place to pull over. Cows tend to leave the road way sooner that a horse. Horses will run for a long way. I have stopped and I've slowed way down but until the horse decides he wants to get off the trail he won't. The race truck was not going fast as some of you think or claim and the horses were not in a full gallup for any length of time. When I've been behind horses like this they usually run about 10mph. They start fast but slow.

Some interesting facts about horses.

Horses speed varies with their stride length, body build, and other factors, but here is a basic idea of how fast-- in miles per hour-- horses move at their various gaits:

Walk: Roughly 3-4 MPH. A pleasure show horse can go as slow as 2 mph. Gaited horses-- who do not trot-- can do a 'running walk' as fast as 15 mph.

Trot: The trot is roughly 8-10 MPH. Again, a shorter striding horse could trot slower, and a horse with a long stride could move faster.

Canter/Lope: 10-17 MPH.

Gallop: This depends on the horse's condition and athletic ability. Some horses are not built to run fast an may only do a fast canter at their best; however, the gallop is about 30 mph. Thoroughbreds, which are bred for running distance but not speed, have been clocked at over 40 MPH. Quarter horses, bred and raced for short distances at speed, can reach 50 MPH in short bursts according to the AQHA's website.

Pre runners vs. helicopters

durrelllrobert - 10-30-2014 at 09:03 AM

Since 1976, the BLM has used helicopters. Flying at low altitudes, bureau agents drive the herds (of wild horses) for miles to an area where they are then loaded onto trucks headed for a holding center. Agents may bring in an entire herd and then winnow out adoptable horses or take in a band out of an entire herd. Depending on its size, a roundup can last for several days or several weeks.

The bureau maintains that helicopters are the most humane way of driving these wild animals across plain and mountain ridge to the centers, but animal activists disagree. The Fund for Animals argues that the sound of the helicopters can spark panic in wild horse herds and place undue stress on the animals — particularly in late winter or during droughts. Of particular concern are mares that are pregnant during the roundups. Foals, unaccustomed to running long distances, can also suffer various limb injuries that make them unsuitable for adoption.

Once at the holding area, wild horse specialists separate the animals according to sex and age. Mares with foals are kept apart. The bureau states that it makes “every effort” to reunite mares with lost foals. Agents then decide which horses are eligible for adoption, which go into a federal rest home, and which are returned to the range.

.How many horses does the BLM roundup each year?

Totals and the frequency of the roundups vary according to the target area. Local BLM officers decide upon the figure based on periodic studies meant to indicate how many horses can co-exist with native wildlife and domestic livestock and still have adequate access to water and fodder. Some horse advocates question this practice and argue that the 1971 act and a subsequent 1992 regulation does not empower the Bureau of Land Management with decision-making powers about the removal of wild horses. They claim that only the Secretary of the Interior can make binding decisions on wild horse removal strategies. In fiscal 2003, the BLM removed 10,091 horses from public rangesurl=http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/clouds-legacy-the-wild-stallion-returns/wild-horse-...]http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/cloud s-legacy-the-wild-stallion-returns/wild-horse-...[/url]

[Edited on 10-30-2014 by durrelllrobert]

rts551 - 10-30-2014 at 09:12 AM

Say what you might in support of "chasing horses" (the title of the video), but this tyoe of activity is what makes it difficult to organize races in Baja. I have been a part of organizing local races and find it hard to argue with land owners when they bring this (and other stuff up). What do I do? tell them don't worry it does not hurt the animal. In my discussions with the folks that organized this years route through San Quintin, the number 1 concern from ranchers and farmers was the inconsiderate behavior of racers as they passed through these peoples livelihood. It took a lot of convincing to organize the route. It only takes one video like this to destroy the trust that was built. We need to think beyond our own motivations and worry about what others might think if this sport is to continue. Where is Racers and Ranchers when you need them.

motoged - 10-30-2014 at 09:26 AM

I think that an experienced horse owner/trainer could offer an opinion that would be helpful in this discussion, more than those simply justifying and rationalizing such behaviour. :light:

Anybody out there have such experience?

Paulina - 10-30-2014 at 07:25 PM

I own a quarter horse.

He is my fourth horse, so I would say I was "experienced".

I would be angry.

P>*)))>{

David K - 10-30-2014 at 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
I own a quarter horse.

He is my fourth horse, so I would say I was "experienced".

I would be angry.

P>*)))>{

If you didn't see the video before it was removed, it was the typical driver's view from inside a race truck in central Baja (boojums and cardon cacti)... a single track dirt road... and he came upon some horses who were running (either already or when they heard the truck approach).

The truck never got closer than a few car lengths and maintained a safe distance while he followed the running horses. They did not step off the road, even when wide clearings were passed, until a couple minutes elapsed, then finally moved off the road and into the desert.

He obviously was pre-running and did not come to Baja to find horses and chase them. Some here obviously think his calling the video "chasing horses" somehow made him anti-horse... as it would seem by their reactions here? Maybe a dumb choice of words on his part?

As a horse expert Paulina, if you rounded a bend and see a couple of horses running the same direction as you... would you:
a) Follow them until they got off the road, maintaining your distance?
b) Stop and have a Pacifico while they hopefully ran away?
c) Abandon your day's event and go back to camp?
d) other

If you stopped for a beer, and come upon the same horses up the road, how do you get them out of the way so you can continue with your life that day? They could be on the road that goes back to your camp!

Thanks Paulina! Happy Halloween!!

chuckie - 10-31-2014 at 03:17 AM

The fact is, the horses are NOT your horses, and the only opinion that counts is that of the person that owns them. If he she feels that was a bad thing,then it was a bad thing. We will likley never know.

mtgoat666 - 10-31-2014 at 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by Paulina
I own a quarter horse.

He is my fourth horse, so I would say I was "experienced".

I would be angry.

P>*)))>{

dk,
the horses were obviously running from the car, and doing so because disturbed/frightened. the driver should have stopped and waited for horses to get clear of road, and driven FAR behind, not following close at speed. quit being a jerk and admit the driver was irresponsible. the sponsors should be told of the racers irresponsible behavior, dont know why you insist on defending a racers' bad behavior.

Chaseing Livestock

J.P. - 10-31-2014 at 09:04 AM

David K. Please Rave on I like hearing from People like You. People with the same mindset as yours do more to hasten the end too the nonsense Than anyone else.
Why should some knuckle dragging clown with your mindset be allowed to continue to disrespect the land owners and the people of Baja in General.
I can possibly see the driver's and Co drivers doing a Pre. Run of the course. but not the whole crew including some of the local idiots and their hashed up rig's.

mtgoat666 - 10-31-2014 at 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by David K
:rolleyes:

We will always look at the same thing and see differently of what happened. I saw horses running... that's a normal behavior and happens no matter if it is a race truck or a VW spooking them. Not running them off the road (as he could have would have) still made him a jerk in your eyes. He waited until they got off the road to pass them by... seems harmless to me, but I asked a horse person for her opinion.

it is a recurring theme we hear about all the time: knuckledraggers running down livestock and wildlife on ATVs, off road vehicles and snow machines.
this type of behavior and people like DK that defend such behavior are why i support closing of public lands to offroading. a few bad apples ruin it for the rest, and better to shut it all down if the the users wont police their bad apples.
if groups cannot responsibly use public lands, best to ban the users

LancairDriver - 10-31-2014 at 09:29 AM

I have seen Deer and Elk panic and continue running down the road for as long as someone will chase them. The sensible thing to do is simply stop and let them calm down and they will get off the road. The horses in this video obviously weren't running for their exercise. I hope after this run they had a source of water close by.

bajaguy - 10-31-2014 at 10:10 AM

SCORE International, UPS and the UPS Store corporate HQ were notified and sent copies of the video. RESPONSIBLE and concerned responses from UPS and UPS store corporate HQ were received............we will see how this plays out.

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

".........the sponsors should be told of the racers irresponsible behavior........"

rts551 - 10-31-2014 at 10:19 AM

yes, by multiple people thanks to a few other sites.

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Originally posted by bajaguy
SCORE International, UPS and the UPS Store corporate HQ were notified and sent copies of the video. RESPONSIBLE and concerned responses from UPS and UPS store corporate HQ were received............we will see how this plays out.

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

".........the sponsors should be told of the racers irresponsible behavior........"

motoged - 10-31-2014 at 10:37 AM

Maybe someone can get DK to start jogging down a Baja rough road (he needs the exercise :lol

and follow him "a few car-lengths behind" with a loud truck until he decides to get off the road.

If someone can arrange that, I volunteer to video the excitement from the truck. :light:

The ranchers I have talked to locally about this situation seem to agree that the truck should have backed off and presented less of a threat to the animals. They were clear that if they saw someone driving like that around their livestock they would make a point of "correcting the situation" . :coolup:

Katiejay99 - 10-31-2014 at 10:41 AM

Ok here are my 2 centavos worth. Why can't you just call an idiot an idiot and go on with your life? Those people who want everything "fixed" or the whole world to pay for the actions of an idiot are idiots themselves. I mean why shut down roads, close accesses, reroute races (and the list goes on and on) because some idiot acted out?

This is one of the reasons why I live in Mexico. If some idiot screws up, those that be do not feel like they have to be our dads (or uncles) and make everyone pay for it. Here, they actually accept that life is not perfect.

Someone screwed up - live with it.

bajaguy - 10-31-2014 at 10:47 AM

And they should be held responsible

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Originally posted by Katiejay99

Someone screwed up - live with it.

chuckie - 10-31-2014 at 10:48 AM

Well! Theres a good attitude.....F*** em if they cant take a joke...

DanO - 10-31-2014 at 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Paulina
I own a quarter horse.

He is my fourth horse, so I would say I was "experienced".

I would be angry.

P>*)))>{

I agree. My dad raised horses in Oroville, CA when I was a kid, and I spent a good deal of time riding, feeding and tending to them. They tend to be high strung and skittish, and they can seriously injure themselves when panicked. I've seen what happens when a frightened horse runs through a barbed wire fence. The proper way to deal with this is to stop and let them move on, or, if you really need to get somewhere in a hurry (in Baja?), gently shoo them out of the way. If they're not familiar with you, just approaching them -- slowly, and preferably on foot -- should be enough to move them along.

rts551 - 10-31-2014 at 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Katiejay99
Ok here are my 2 centavos worth. Why can't you just call an idiot an idiot and go on with your life? Those people who want everything "fixed" or the whole world to pay for the actions of an idiot are idiots themselves. I mean why shut down roads, close accesses, reroute races (and the list goes on and on) because some idiot acted out?

This is one of the reasons why I live in Mexico. If some idiot screws up, those that be do not feel like they have to be our dads (or uncles) and make everyone pay for it. Here, they actually accept that life is not perfect.

Someone screwed up - live with it.

look the other way? Why don't you feel that way when someone messes with your stuff?

DianaT - 10-31-2014 at 03:39 PM

To contact the sponsor,

The UPS Store publicrelations@upsstore.com

Katiejay99 - 10-31-2014 at 04:40 PM

I never said look the other way. I said that there is no sense in making everyone pay for an idiot. He screwed up. He needs to know he screwed up but it should not reflect on an entire race or group of people, etc.

motoged - 10-31-2014 at 04:59 PM

I think most of us agree that the driver/crew were idiots to a certain degree, and disapprove of their behaviour....in part, because it reflects poorly on those of us who do not behave that way although we are enjoying the backroads....and we don't want to be perceived as such idiots.

It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

but we need to address those that are..... :light:

MMc - 10-31-2014 at 05:06 PM

what Ged said X2

dtbushpilot - 10-31-2014 at 05:23 PM

What ged said X3

DianaT - 10-31-2014 at 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
I think most of us agree that the driver/crew were idiots to a certain degree, and disapprove of their behaviour....in part, because it reflects poorly on those of us who do not behave that way although we are enjoying the backroads....and we don't want to be perceived as such idiots.

It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

but we need to address those that are..... :light:

Absolutely!

The UPS Store publicrelations@upsstore.com

rts551 - 10-31-2014 at 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Katiejay99
I never said look the other way. I said that there is no sense in making everyone pay for an idiot. He screwed up. He needs to know he screwed up but it should not reflect on an entire race or group of people, etc.

what you said was "Why can't you just call an idiot an idiot and go on with your life? "

and the answer is no.. they need to be held accountable for irrational behavior...as a lot of other people have said including most (unfortunately not all) who enjoy off-road racing.

luv2fish - 11-1-2014 at 01:38 PM

.It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

Not so, but all terrorists are Muslims.

mtgoat666 - 11-1-2014 at 02:09 PM

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I don't think the ups store Baja 1000 guys are "idiots." I think they are psychopaths that find joy in torturing animals.

bajaguy - 11-1-2014 at 02:18 PM

Uh.....not really

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Originally posted by luv2fish
.It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

Not so, but all terrorists are Muslims.

rts551 - 11-1-2014 at 02:23 PM

Its Sat. maybe Happy hour started early

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Uh.....not really

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Originally posted by luv2fish
.It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

Not so, but all terrorists are Muslims.

chuckie - 11-1-2014 at 02:38 PM

Good idea..

monoloco - 11-1-2014 at 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Its Sat. maybe Happy hour started early

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Uh.....not really

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Originally posted by luv2fish
.It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

Not so, but all terrorists are Muslims.

Or maybe it's still going from Friday.

woody with a view - 11-1-2014 at 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

but we need to address those that are..... :light:

address which? Muslims or terrorists?

MMc - 11-1-2014 at 03:09 PM

Both and guys that chase horses. :spingrin:

bajaguy - 11-1-2014 at 03:10 PM

Maybe those horses thought the guys chasing them were terrorists

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Originally posted by MMc
Both and guys that chase horses. :spingrin:

bajabuddha - 11-1-2014 at 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by luv2fish
.It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

Not so, but all terrorists are Muslims.

Kind of like our young white survivalist/establishment hater/cop killer that kept half the State of Pennsylvania on lock-down for the last four weeks, with enough arms, pipe bombs, survival stashes including adult diapers to confound hundreds of officers with sophisticated electronic search gear, sniffer dogs, etc. Betcha he didn't read the Quran... or that Florida preacher that wanted to burn Qurans as the 'work of the devil'.

Far's i'm concerned, Rush Limbaugh is as much of a terrorist threat as any jihadi, and in some ways even more so.

chuckie - 11-1-2014 at 03:49 PM

Yeah, but Rush Limbaugh doesnt qualify as an intelligent life form....And I am a conservative saying that...um ah um ah....The Pa. dude, just watched Rambo too many times...A true "work of the devil" is more than one of Buddhas martinis....

DianaT - 11-1-2014 at 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
Yeah, but Rush Limbaugh doesnt qualify as an intelligent life form....And I am a conservative saying that...um ah um ah.........

I know several conservatives who agree with you and that is a good thing!

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Originally posted by luv2fish
.It's kind of like saying all Muslims are terrorists...

Not so, but all terrorists are Muslims.

Has to be a trolling question as no one can be THAT ignorant. :?:

chuckie - 11-1-2014 at 04:03 PM

I think that is a quote from Benny Net, now the Israeli PM...In his case, it's likely true.....

wessongroup - 11-1-2014 at 04:27 PM

Good to see most everyone likes horses ... me too

This one didn't need any help ... running

TMW - 11-1-2014 at 06:24 PM

Great horse and a big son of a gun too. I remember his triple crown run and winning.

wessongroup - 11-2-2014 at 10:26 AM

Big Red ... what a horse, remember that race too ... was unreal the way he took off ... believe his "time" still stands at that track

[Edited on 11-2-2014 by wessongroup]

TMW - 11-2-2014 at 11:18 AM

I calculated his average speed for the 1.5 mile course and it was 37.5mph.
1.5 miles in 2:24 = 37.5mph. Pretty fast and I think I remember the announcer this year at Belmont saying he still held the track record.

motoged - 11-2-2014 at 11:28 AM

I have heard that a bear can accelerate quicker than a horse for the first hundred yards or so.....

But maybe not quicker than a trophy truck or similar rig.....

Yay racehorses !!!!!

Yay bears !!!!!

Booooo for jerks hassling animals..... :biggrin:

Pompano - 11-2-2014 at 11:43 AM

A horse's top speed is about 55 mph. (and most likely a quarter horse)

A bear's top speed is around 22 mph for a brown bear, 35 mph for a grizzly, with a polar being kinda slow at 19 mph. So, if being pursued by bears, you should be able to run faster than your buddy.

Here's some alarming info...that black mamba you just stepped on can reach 20 mph.

A-OK - 11-2-2014 at 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by David K

If you didn't see the video before it was removed, it was the typical driver's view from inside a race truck in central Baja (boojums and cardon cacti)... a single track dirt road... and he came upon some horses who were running (either already or when they heard the truck approach).

Holly horse crap! DK gets more and more out there by the post!
Hey everyone, don't label David K as an off-roader as he obviously is not. He thinks wide open dirt roads and jeep trails are "single track." Off-roaders know what they are traveling on. We ride single track which is a narrow trail for one motorcycle (or horse) that a mighty Toyota Tacoma :roll eyes: wouldn't even fit on so he couldn't get a picture of his tire tracks. Don't be ruffled DK, I have a Tacoma too but sure as heck don't worship that truck like you do.
Stick to your mission tours and off road beach camping on (your?) island but please spare us the repetitive pictures all the time.

David K - 11-2-2014 at 12:39 PM

Have fun keeping me involved. I did correct that other post to mean single lane and not single track. However a jeep track is what I meant as I am not a m/c rider.

TMW - 11-2-2014 at 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
A horse's top speed is about 55 mph. (and most likely a quarter horse)

A bear's top speed is around 22 mph for a brown bear, 35 mph for a grizzly, with a polar being kinda slow at 19 mph. So, if being pursued by bears, you should be able to run faster than your buddy.

Here's some alarming info...that black mamba you just stepped on can reach 20 mph.

How far can a bear run say compared to a horse? I know it's important to have a buddy behind me but how far before I can stop to rest and see how he's doing.

wessongroup - 11-2-2014 at 01:23 PM

SF 18+ :lol:

willardguy - 11-2-2014 at 01:27 PM

I didn't see the video, why was it taken down???

DianaT - 11-2-2014 at 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano

Here's some alarming info...that black mamba you just stepped on can reach 20 mph.

Black mamba will probably be able to just rest. One steps on him, he bites, and person has about two steps to go! :biggrin:

willardguy - 11-2-2014 at 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by Pompano

Here's some alarming info...that black mamba you just stepped on can reach 20 mph.

Black mamba will probably be able to just rest. One steps on him, he bites, and person has about two steps to go! :biggrin:

wow thats quicker than the five-point-palm exploding heart technique! :lol:

Pompano - 11-2-2014 at 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by Pompano

Here's some alarming info...that black mamba you just stepped on can reach 20 mph.

Black mamba will probably be able to just rest. One steps on him, he bites, and person has about two steps to go! :biggrin:

wow thats quicker than the five-point-palm exploding heart technique! :lol:

Hah! Way, way too much tv, willardguy...but I liked the Kill Bill features, too.

David K - 11-2-2014 at 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
I didn't see the video, why was it taken down???

The very same reactions you see in this thread would be why. Horses running ahead of a pre runner is apparently too much violence for some?

Pompano - 11-2-2014 at 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by Pompano

Here's some alarming info...that black mamba you just stepped on can reach 20 mph.

Black mamba will probably be able to just rest. One steps on him, he bites, and person has about two steps to go! :biggrin:

Reminds me of an overseas snake nicknamed 'step 'n a half'...which was supposed to be about how you lived after it bit you.

And....A bear can sprint pretty fast and then you're toast, but cannot last the distance a horse can.

motoged - 11-2-2014 at 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by David K
... Horses running ahead of a pre runner is apparently too much violence for some?

Apparently it is just enough for you :barf:

DianaT - 11-2-2014 at 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by Pompano

Here's some alarming info...that black mamba you just stepped on can reach 20 mph.

Black mamba will probably be able to just rest. One steps on him, he bites, and person has about two steps to go! :biggrin:

When we lived in Central America we had the fer de lance --- another two step snake who is aggressive and territorial.

But we didn' have any bears to worry about.

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Originally posted by willardguy
I didn't see the video, why was it taken down???

Probably because enough people reported it to SCORE and to the sponsor --- including race participants and fans.

[Edited on 11-2-2014 by DianaT]

chuckie - 11-2-2014 at 03:39 PM

DK would be much more concerned about the horses if the horse being chased were the High Horse from which he spews his pomposity...

mtgoat666 - 11-2-2014 at 04:09 PM

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DK would be much more concerned about the horses if the horse being chased were the High Horse from which he spews his pomposity...