BajaNomad - Bay of LA Turn off/ Parador PEMEX

Bay of LA Turn off/ Parador PEMEX

Paulina - 3-29-2015 at 08:10 AM

On the east side of the highway, south of the wrecking yard, the land has been cleared. There is a fence up, razor wired, with a large sign posted stating Los Pinos Pemex is coming soon.

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Ateo - 3-29-2015 at 08:54 AM

It was only a matter of time before this became a feasible business investment for someone with some cash..............

This will affect some of the "mom and pop" fuel guys in the area for sure.

If supply is consistent at this new Pemex, this could hurt Jesus Maria and Baja Cactus a little. On the bright side, I would guess that fuel demand in Baja will only increase for the foreseeable future.

I hope they put an ATM and a kick ass Subway inside!! JK, a little..............

[Edited on 3-29-2015 by Ateo]

Paulina - 3-29-2015 at 09:19 AM

An ATM would be awesome, saving the drive from Bahia to GN for cash. Speaking of Subway, I never noticed how prevalent that chain is in baja until this last trip.

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rts551 - 3-29-2015 at 09:21 AM

doubt there will be an ATM as there is no internet service. Glad to see there will be gas service in the area. Its was always usfull when the old station was there.

David K - 3-29-2015 at 10:11 AM

Two issues that caused the original parador Pemex to fail, besides the ejido's failings as business operators:

1) Too far from a bank (cash sales only and too remote for security and money transfer).

2) No local population for employee base. Like Cataviña, Parador Punta Prieta is not near any town... Punta Prieta village is 7 miles south.

rts551 - 3-29-2015 at 10:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Two issues that caused the original parador Pemex to fail, besides the ejido's failings as business operators:

1) Too far from a bank (cash sales only and too remote for security and money transfer).

2) No local population for employee base. Like Cataviña, Parador Punta Prieta is not near any town... Punta Prieta village is 7 miles south.

David is correct. Lack of customers was a problem. That is probably different today with all the increased traffic. Don't know about the Ejido operators. Never privy to their books.

DianaT - 3-29-2015 at 12:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Curious, how did the ejido fail as business operators?

Since we know people who drive from Guerrero Negro to Jesus Maria to work, know people who travel from Guayaquil to Cataviña to work at the hotel, I wonder about the lack of an employee base as a problem. But maybe.

I suspect lack of traffic back then, lack of enough customers might have caused it to fail.

But the good news is that it is returning!

Cliffy - 3-29-2015 at 12:52 PM

Is there electric power there or do they have to depend on generators?
Without credit cards it will limit how much gas they sell.
CCs mean fill ups.

Santiago - 3-29-2015 at 01:33 PM

The power lines from GN to BOLA go right thru there.

bajabuddha - 3-29-2015 at 01:51 PM

If You Build It They Will Come...

It's a good business decision; remember, in another year (mas o meno) Hwy 5 will be complete, and there will be a new customer base headed south with a different set of 'set stops'. Plus, the El Rosario-Jesus Maria stretch is the longest dry spell in Baja.

basautter - 3-29-2015 at 02:22 PM

Thanks for the heads up. Always like another gas option!

AKgringo - 3-29-2015 at 02:23 PM

The last time I passed through and the Pemex was still open, there were more convoys of motor homes and Airstreams passing through than there are now, although there were fewer Mexican commercial and private vehicles.
There was no Pemex station in Bahia De Los Angeles at that time, so it was a 'must stop' for many. Not much local business, and apparently not steady enough tourist traffic.
As far as business failure, I must say that it was one of the filthiest, poorly maintained and staffed gas stations I encountered on that trip. That includes the mainland stations that we encountered after taking the ferry from La Paz to Mazatlan on the way to Ziuateneo (sp).

Bob and Susan - 3-29-2015 at 02:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha

If You Build It They Will Come...

It's a good business decision; remember, in another year (mas o meno) Hwy 5 will be complete, and there will be a new customer base headed south with a different set of 'set stops'. Plus, the El Rosario-Jesus Maria stretch is the longest dry spell in Baja.

they are not building for tourists...

there's water in catavina...that means stuff grows

farming brings cars and trucks that drink gas and diesel

think hot houses

bajabuddha - 3-29-2015 at 02:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha

they are not building for tourists...

there's water in catavina...that means stuff grows

farming brings cars and trucks that drink gas and diesel

think hot houses

By 'dry spell' I didn't mean WATER, o wise one. I was talking fuel. And increased traffic numbers of both commercial and tourist vehicles; Hwy 5 will open a huge conduit south from Mexicali and Sonora.

Reminiscing on the area, it would be a good place to have a small community if there is sufficient water available there, well-wise. A motel / trailer park, a couple of eateries both loncheria or restaurants, maybe a truck stop....

The mountain views are spectacular, and the ancient cardon forests of the area are some of the oldest and prettiest in Baja IMO.... I'd spend a night or two there. I usually pull off there for a 10-100 break or a cold pop and a stretch on my way south. Location, location, location.

OCEANUS - 3-29-2015 at 02:47 PM

This will be nice because twice in the last year or so, the Pemex in LA Bay has run out of diesel. Having to drive all the way to Jesus Maria to fill up just so I can turn around and go home is an expensive inconvenience.

rts551 - 3-29-2015 at 02:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha

they are not building for tourists...

there's water in catavina...that means stuff grows

farming brings cars and trucks that drink gas and diesel

think hot houses

Do you think they are building a gas station at the LA BAy turn off to support Catavina?

desertcpl - 3-29-2015 at 04:12 PM

I do hope that they will have diesel

elgatoloco - 3-29-2015 at 04:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by desertcpl

I do hope that they will have diesel

They will. Los Pinos big rigs don't run on gas.

Bob and Susan - 3-29-2015 at 05:22 PM

the "gringo" thought is always its because 'I" need it...

ask yourself this...
why would a really rich well educated family with a HUGE high profit established business...

...want a low profit high maintenance gas station in the middle of the desert...with government/enviormentalists watching them everyday...

and...Pemex probably wouldn't deliver the fuel...they'd have to have one of their tankers pick it up and drop it

maybe "dealers" would get a better price on fuel
they do have the trucks drive to Oxnard all the time
with fruit for California

or maybe they are doing someone a "favor"

Fernweh - 3-29-2015 at 05:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

Quote: Originally posted by desertcpl

I do hope that they will have diesel

They will. Los Pinos big rigs don't run on gas.

And they do have a slightly larger fuel tank, than your average F150......which calculates into a much better endurance.

bajabuddha - 3-29-2015 at 05:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Fernweh

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

Quote: Originally posted by desertcpl

I do hope that they will have diesel

They will. Los Pinos big rigs don't run on gas.

And they do have a slightly larger fuel tank, than your average F150......which calculates into a much better endurance.

Do you really believe Los Pinos trucks are headed south? Or are you thinking up from Cd. Constitution? Either way, just good business sense, especially with the new route going EAST.

rts551 - 3-29-2015 at 06:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha

Quote: Originally posted by Fernweh

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

Quote: Originally posted by desertcpl

I do hope that they will have diesel

They will. Los Pinos big rigs don't run on gas.

And they do have a slightly larger fuel tank, than your average F150......which calculates into a much better endurance.

Do you really believe Los Pinos trucks are headed south? Or are you thinking up from Cd. Constitution? Either way, just good business sense, especially with the new route going EAST.

Los Pinos has farms in BCS and are constantly moving produce North by truck and returning. Those were the trucks people saw at Gonzaga/Rancho Grande.

güéribo - 3-29-2015 at 06:50 PM

That is good news. Until then, you might find . . .

Fernweh - 3-29-2015 at 07:34 PM

The point I want to make:

The commercial Semi-Trucks/Rigs do not need that Pemex station there.

Why:

OK. First off, semis in the USA use diesel fuel, not gasoline. The average long-haul semi has two fuel tanks, and with each tank holding between 100 and 150 gallons of diesel. A good rate of fuel consumption for a loaded semi is around 6 miles per gallon (MPG), so the average semi can run between 1200 and 1800 miles from one fill up.

I copied that info from Google.....

Bob and Susan - 3-30-2015 at 01:35 PM

this year some de-regulation has come to the gas business in mexico

in a couple of years Texaco and Arco are arriving...selling gas

they may want to "buy" stations...what a "windfall"

Texaco and Arco have quite a bit of money to spend to be "players" in a new "market"

just thinking...again

carlosg - 3-30-2015 at 03:03 PM

... Los Pinos bought cents on a peso the Santa Maria in San Quintin and the Mision Cataviña along with the gas station across from it back when Calderon was president, it all started booming when Fox became the first PAN president... Los Pinos has a long history of power abuse, just look at the present situation with the farm laborers and the said 100 pesos a day salary... all built on the huge government grants and "connections" :

clic on "translating"

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=...

rts551 - 3-30-2015 at 03:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by carlosg

... Los Pinos bought cents on a peso the Santa Maria in San Quintin and the Mision Cataviña along with the gas station across from it back when Calderon was president, it all started booming when Fox became the first PAN president... Los Pinos has a long history of power abuse, just look at the present situation with the farm laborers and the said 100 pesos a day salary... all built on the huge government grants and "connections" :

clic on "translating"

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=...

I suspect with the on-going dispute you will see a lot of these types of article. Saw an article about the US trained union organizers working San Quintin. Its almost as if each side owns newspapers/news outlets.

Where is out Spelling Cop. The article continuously misspells San Quintin (Quentin).

motoged - 3-30-2015 at 03:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

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Where is out Spelling Cop.

O-U-R-

carlosg - 3-30-2015 at 03:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Quote: Originally posted by carlosg

...this in NOT a recent article it dates back to Dec. 2013, Los Pinos has been on the bulls eye for some time now...

David K - 3-30-2015 at 04:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

[rquote=972594&tid=78286&author=carlosg

Where is out Spelling Cop.

O-U-R-

The article spells the place correctly: El Poder en San Quintín
It is when you use the auto translator, does it change Quintín to Quentin (the English spelling).