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? about E32 maps

chippy - 3-10-2018 at 04:52 PM

Any good? Any body use them with a Garmin Nuvi (compatible according to their website)? I´m going into the Copper Canyon (choix tubares batopilas) and want some back up to google maps.

Thanks for any insight.

TMW - 3-10-2018 at 05:52 PM

It is an excellent map for Baja and all of Mexico. I have a NUVI-52LM that I have it loaded into. I also trace a lot of trails on Google Earth and convert them to GPX and load them into the NUVI with Garmin BaseCamp. Easy to do once you know how. I can send you the instructions if you need them.

chippy - 3-10-2018 at 07:38 PM

Thank you TMW. I would like to know how! Please send them.

JZ - 3-10-2018 at 08:33 PM

Back Country Navigator crushes ALL stand alone GPS units.

Trust me on this one fellows. I've had countless GPS for boats and bikes over the years.

In 2018 if you are still using a dedicated GPS device you are in the stone ages.

MotionX is a decent app; Back Country is bad ass.

chippy - 3-11-2018 at 06:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Back Country Navigator crushes ALL stand alone GPS units.

Trust me on this one fellows. I've had countless GPS for boats and bikes over the years.

In 2018 if you are still using a dedicated GPS device you are in the stone ages.

MotionX is a decent app; Back Country is bad ass.



JZ
I have BCN on my tablet. Tried using it a couple of times and it was to complicated for me (being tech tonto) I could never figure out a simple way to put routes in. Is there a way to do a town to town route or does everything have to be entered as lat/long?

pacificobob - 3-11-2018 at 07:49 AM

i have traveled that area a lot. i have taken wrong turns, got lost numerous times. if you get far enough off the main roads, you can find indigenous people who barely speak Spanish, and are terrified to talk to you. every year that area becomes more civilized as mining operations expand. stay out of that area in sept-oct time. way too much narco activity. if you stick to the main villages you will be fine. some roads should just be avoided.

chippy - 3-11-2018 at 08:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
i have traveled that area a lot. i have taken wrong turns, got lost numerous times. if you get far enough off the main roads, you can find indigenous people who barely speak Spanish, and are terrified to talk to you. every year that area becomes more civilized as mining operations expand. stay out of that area in sept-oct time. way too much narco activity. if you stick to the main villages you will be fine. some roads should just be avoided.



Thanks for that. This is why I want the e32 maps. They supposedly have the CC routes I want. I´ll be going the end of this month:bounce:.

Abel.Villesca - 3-11-2018 at 01:32 PM

I purchased the E32 Cartografia to load on my Garmin GPSMap 276C. The Garmin is a dinosaur, but reliable and solid when pre-loaded maps, points and tracks. I do prefer to use various apps on my Android devices. At the time I purchased E32 (December), they did not offer an app for Android, but they do for iPad/iPhone.

I've been playing with E32 for a couple months while planning my trip and I am happy with it.

TMW - 3-11-2018 at 01:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
Thank you TMW. I would like to know how! Please send them.


8-1-2017 BaseCamp Files to GPS Device

Loading a Google Earth file into a Garmin GPS.

In Google Earth (GE) trace a path and save in GE.

Click on that path on the left side of GE to highlight it. Click on file, click on save, click save place as. That will open a dialog box on your PC where you can name it and save it.

Convert the GE file to a GPX file using http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ or other conversion system.

Download the converted file to your PC and rename if you want.

Download Garmin BaseCamp from the Garmin site, it is a free download.

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp

Connect the GPS unit to your PC.

Open BaseCamp on your PC, on the left side window your GPS device should be shown under devices.

Scowl to the top and click on My Collection.

Click on file upper left then click on import to my collection. A window box will open from you PC, find the GPX file you want to load. Click open. This loads the file into BaseCamp.

In BaseCamp click edit, click on send to. A box will appear with the files under My Collection click on the file to load into the GPX. At the bottom of the box click on OK. It is now loaded into the GPS device.

At this point you are done and the file should be in the GPS device.

At this point I left click and hold on the file in the upper left box of BaseCamp and drag it up to where it says data received from NUVI etc. and unclick. I don’t know if this makes a difference or not.

The route should be shown on the BaseCamp map when you click on it on the left side and all of them should be shown when you click on the data received from NUVI in upper left.

advrider - 3-11-2018 at 01:50 PM

Just got E-32 for my Garmin and will be running ii in Baja on my trip next week. JZ is right, OSMAND app on my phone is far better than anything Garmin has ever made. Email tracks to your self open them up and they show in the app on your phone. Simple and I can make route on the fly on my phone, save it and us it! No computer needed. The e-32 looks really good on my computer and I will run it on the bike with my phone as a back up. Search this subject on adventure rider and they all use a waterproof cheap Chinese phone.

JZ - 3-11-2018 at 02:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy  



JZ
I have BCN on my tablet. Tried using it a couple of times and it was to complicated for me (being tech tonto) I could never figure out a simple way to put routes in. Is there a way to do a town to town route or does everything have to be entered as lat/long?



I make the routes on my laptop (w/big monitor connected) using Google Earth. Send them to the phone and open with BCN. Can do it with email, but I just put everything on Google Drive which can be access by laptop or phone. I have a GPX tracks folder on Google Drive.

BCN is way easier to use than a standalone GPS and has a much bigger screen assuming you have a decent sized phone.

I mount the phone on my handle bar. This is the best mount I've found: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HUEZ7SS/ref=cm_cr_ryp_prd_ttl_s...

advrider - 3-11-2018 at 02:56 PM

What is BCN? I use the perfect squeeze on my bike, very solid and low profile. Not the cheapest but the best in my opinion!

chippy - 3-11-2018 at 03:22 PM

Back Country Navigator app.

chippy - 3-11-2018 at 03:37 PM

Thanks to all.

Sandlefoot - 3-12-2018 at 04:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
Thank you TMW. I would like to know how! Please send them.


8-1-2017 BaseCamp Files to GPS Device

Loading a Google Earth file into a Garmin GPS.

In Google Earth (GE) trace a path and save in GE.

Click on that path on the left side of GE to highlight it. Click on file, click on save, click save place as. That will open a dialog box on your PC where you can name it and save it.

Convert the GE file to a GPX file using http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ or other conversion system.

Download the converted file to your PC and rename if you want.

Download Garmin BaseCamp from the Garmin site, it is a free download.

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp

Connect the GPS unit to your PC.

Open BaseCamp on your PC, on the left side window your GPS device should be shown under devices.

Scowl to the top and click on My Collection.

Click on file upper left then click on import to my collection. A window box will open from you PC, find the GPX file you want to load. Click open. This loads the file into BaseCamp.

In BaseCamp click edit, click on send to. A box will appear with the files under My Collection click on the file to load into the GPX. At the bottom of the box click on OK. It is now loaded into the GPS device.

At this point you are done and the file should be in the GPS device.

At this point I left click and hold on the file in the upper left box of BaseCamp and drag it up to where it says data received from NUVI etc. and unclick. I don’t know if this makes a difference or not.

The route should be shown on the BaseCamp map when you click on it on the left side and all of them should be shown when you click on the data received from NUVI in upper left.





Help!!! Followed instructions and all went as expected, but can not find my data in the garmin. Where would I look to find it?

Thanks, Happy Trails

Mike

advrider - 3-12-2018 at 08:51 PM

Sometimes you have to click on import track before they will show up, I don't have mine in front of me so I can't get more detailed. I'm so over Garmin, I have hours and hours invested and can still just stumble around trying to do stuff. The phone app's are so easy!

JZ - 3-13-2018 at 09:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Sandlefoot  


]Help!!! Followed instructions and all went as expected, but can not find my data in the garmin. Where would I look to find it?

Thanks, Happy Trails

Mike


Ditch that Garmin. Put it for sale on CL and/or eBay.

Use your phone as a GPS.

Standalone GPS units are for cave man.

AKgringo - 3-13-2018 at 09:07 AM

My cave gets such a poor signal, that I meet my communication needs by going outside and using an android phone that I add time (no data) to once a year or so.

Can the gps apps for phones be used by someone who does not intend to sign a contract with any carrier?

[Edited on 3-13-2018 by AKgringo]

TacoFeliz - 3-13-2018 at 09:38 AM

AKgringo-- yes. Phone GPS works independently of network connection. I use GPS on my phone with it set to "Airplane Mode", no connection to cellular.

This prolongs battery life because it is not constantly searching for a cell signal.

Be aware that using GPS on a phone sucks battery like nothing else. I keep mine connected to the charging cable in the truck while using it in GPS mode.

I am currently using an iPhone 6s, but buddies using Android phones have the same experiences.


TacoFeliz - 3-13-2018 at 09:42 AM

Received a note this morning from Alberto Valdivia of E32 that their E32 iPhone app is in the final development stages and will be released soon. Projected release was March 2018 so that may slide a bit.

David K - 3-13-2018 at 09:48 AM

I have enjoyed using the Earthmate App on my smartphone, which connects with Bluetooth to the DeLorme InReach for easy typing texts and emails via satellite. The Earthmate App works without the InReach device connected, as well.

TMW - 3-13-2018 at 09:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Sandlefoot  


[/rquote]Help!!! Followed instructions and all went as expected, but can not find my data in the garmin. Where would I look to find it?

Thanks, Happy Trails

Mike


What did you load into your Garmin GPS?

TMW - 3-13-2018 at 09:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by Sandlefoot  


]Help!!! Followed instructions and all went as expected, but can not find my data in the garmin. Where would I look to find it?

Thanks, Happy Trails

Mike


Ditch that Garmin. Put it for sale on CL and/or eBay.

Use your phone as a GPS.

Standalone GPS units are for cave man.


I can't disagree but I don't have a smart phone. I have a dumb flip phone that cost me $100 per year to use. I use my NUVI GPS when off road as a reference. I normally know where I'm going and how to get there. I'm also known to ask a rancher where something is.

JZ - 3-13-2018 at 10:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
My cave gets such a poor signal, that I meet my communication needs by going outside and using an android phone that I add time (no data) to once a year or so.

Can the gps apps for phones be used by someone who does not intend to sign a contract with any carrier?

[Edited on 3-13-2018 by AKgringo]


Yes. You don't need a contract w/a carrier.

Just have to have the phone, download your preferred app over Wi-Fi, and make sure you have GPS turned on (it is by default). You don't even have to have cell service.

Back Country Navigator is the best for offroad.

Navonics is the t\ts for on the water.

AKgringo - 3-13-2018 at 10:24 AM

TacoFeliz and JZ, Thanks, very good info to have.....I think!

But now I have no excuse not to learn a new trick. I am an old dog!

TacoFeliz - 3-13-2018 at 10:30 AM


Attaboy, good dog!


(from another old dog)

MulegeAL - 3-13-2018 at 01:48 PM

My concern is that my smart phone, it's connectors and switches isn't built to take the beating it would get here in central Baja, where the rancho roads are mostly rock now. Plus it's screen isn't that good in bright sun and battery life sux when run hard in GPS mode. I will give BCN a try when back stateside, sounds good.

Hence a GPS with Android system that is built to take the shock, dirt, alkali water crossings, etc makes some sense to me. I'll keep my phone buried in a best-guess crash survivable pocket!

Just back from deep off road adventure out in the llano boonies south of Constitution where nav off road es muy importante.

What say you wise single trackers of Baja?

advrider - 3-13-2018 at 05:30 PM

Look on ADVrider they have a section about a cheap Chinese smart phone for under $200, much cheaper than a GPS! It is water proof, shock and dust proof. That's the route I will be going in the near future!

JZ - 3-13-2018 at 06:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MulegeAL  
My concern is that my smart phone, it's connectors and switches isn't built to take the beating it would get here in central Baja, where the rancho roads are mostly rock now. Plus it's screen isn't that good in bright sun and battery life sux when run hard in GPS mode. I will give BCN a try when back stateside, sounds good.

Hence a GPS with Android system that is built to take the shock, dirt, alkali water crossings, etc makes some sense to me. I'll keep my phone buried in a best-guess crash survivable pocket!

Just back from deep off road adventure out in the llano boonies south of Constitution where nav off road es muy importante.

What say you wise single trackers of Baja?


My Android has a bright ass screen, is water proof, and the screen is near shatter proof. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy 8+.

With the mount I posted earlier it isn't coming off. I've laid the bike down many times and it doesn't come off.

We just road 500+ miles in Baja Sur in December. Bullet proof.

Beagle - 3-13-2018 at 07:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Back Country Navigator crushes ALL stand alone GPS units.

Trust me on this one fellows. I've had countless GPS for boats and bikes over the years.

In 2018 if you are still using a dedicated GPS device you are in the stone ages.

MotionX is a decent app; Back Country is bad ass.


Is this a simple App for iPhone? Can't find it on their store. That might be a stupid question, I know.

JZ - 3-13-2018 at 07:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Beagle  

Is this a simple App for iPhone? Can't find it on their store. That might be a stupid question, I know.


It's in the Apple store. It's okay. They make importing from Google Earth harder than it needs to be. I can show you how if you get it up and running.

Still it is way better than a standalone GPS.

Sandlefoot - 3-13-2018 at 10:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by Sandlefoot  


[/rquote]Help!!! Followed instructions and all went as expected, but can not find my data in the Garmin. Where would I look to find it?

Thanks, Happy Trails

Mike


What did you load into your Garmin GPS?

A GPS route into Agua Verde. Converted it to a GPX file using http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/. Downloaded it and saved it to my desktop. I already have BaseCamp, so with the GPS connected to the computer I opened Basecamp, scowled to the top and click on "My Collection". Clicked on "file" upper left then click on "import to my collection". Loaded the file into Basecamp. In BaseCamp clicked edit, clicked on send to. Clicked on the file to load into the GPX, a small green line appeared over the file I had selected I guess to indicate it was being moved and I thought it was done. But can not find it in the GPS! Thanks for the help!!

Mike

TacoFeliz - 3-14-2018 at 07:59 AM

Uh, tap the brakes.

Back Country Navigator is for Android phones only. It is not available for iPhones and is not in the Apple app store.

There are several similar apps that are available for iPhone including Gaia GPS, Topo+ and LeadNav. My preference is LeadNav at this point.

When E32 actually launches their iPhone/iPad app I'll give that a try too.

PaulW - 3-14-2018 at 08:16 AM

Try <maps.me>. Works on all platforms. Maps are are from Garmin library. After loading the app the start loading the maps. Designed to work off line. Of course you need Internet to download the maps.
My take is it is OK but not great.

JZ - 3-14-2018 at 11:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TacoFeliz  
Uh, tap the brakes.

Back Country Navigator is for Android phones only. It is not available for iPhones and is not in the Apple app store.

There are several similar apps that are available for iPhone including Gaia GPS, Topo+ and LeadNav. My preference is LeadNav at this point.

When E32 actually launches their iPhone/iPad app I'll give that a try too.


Samsung crushes Apple. If you are using an iPhone you like dated tech and were swayed by brand.

Apple was the t/ts from 2007 to 2010, but has been consistently 12 to 18 months behind Samsung since the first Note was launched in 2010.

In sum, go with Samsung + Back Country Navigator + Google Earth.

TMW - 3-14-2018 at 01:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Sandlefoot  
Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by Sandlefoot  


[/rquote]Help!!! Followed instructions and all went as expected, but can not find my data in the Garmin. Where would I look to find it?

Thanks, Happy Trails

Mike


What did you load into your Garmin GPS?

A GPS route into Agua Verde. Converted it to a GPX file using http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/. Downloaded it and saved it to my desktop. I already have BaseCamp, so with the GPS connected to the computer I opened Basecamp, scowled to the top and click on "My Collection". Clicked on "file" upper left then click on "import to my collection". Loaded the file into Basecamp. In BaseCamp clicked edit, clicked on send to. Clicked on the file to load into the GPX, a small green line appeared over the file I had selected I guess to indicate it was being moved and I thought it was done. But can not find it in the GPS! Thanks for the help!!

Mike


I loaded a trail into my NUVI 52 following the steps I have above and here is how it went. I couldn't figure out how to save the screen so I took pictures with my camera.

With my GPS connected to my PC and BaseCamp loaded I go to BaseCamp and on the upper left side I click on My Collection.

Next I click on file on the upper left of BaseCamp. A drop down window opens and I click on import to my collection. When the window from the PC opens I click on the file I want to open, in this case it is El Arrajal and click open. This loads the file into BaseCamp.

In BaseCamp upper left I click edit and in the drop down menu I click on send to. A window box will appear over the BaseCamp map section with all the files from My Collection. At the bottom is the new file I want to load into my GPS.


Click on the file to high light it, then click on the high lighted OK at the bottom. Note the GPS device should be listed under the Devices. This transfers the file from My Collection to the GPS device.



Note the green check mark, I assume this means it was loaded into the GPS. I left click on the file and drag it to the top where it says data received from NUVI (my GPS).


The contents of the file should be visible on the BaseCamp map, if not click on the file to high light it.


Mike I don't know why you had a green line over the file. That is something maybe Garmin can answer. Maybe you ran out of memory space, but I would think the device would tell you that.







[Edited on 3-14-2018 by TMW]

Sandlefoot - 3-14-2018 at 09:39 PM

The green line was like a download line that fills until it is finished. Mine lasted maybe 5 seconds. I get the track on my map in Basecamp, just can't find it on the GPS. I do think you may have nailed it with the comment about it being out of memory. It is about 4+ years old and has had all the updates. I will check the memory and maybe upgrade the SD card! You have been a wealth of knowledge and information, Thank you for sharing your travels and experiences!!

If you are ever in La Paz, look me up and the first and last Pacifico is on me!!! (and maybe a couple in between!!)

Mike

caj13 - 3-15-2018 at 09:35 AM

so E32 is 100 bucks? I do have one of those dinosaur garmin cs60's, love it because I just load in the chip for the state or region I am in, has topos routes, etc.

so I would need to E-32 chip?

TMW - 3-15-2018 at 01:32 PM

Thanks Mike, I look forward to having a cold one with you in La Paz.

I think I paid $25 for E-32 or maybe that was the last update I got.

chippy - 3-15-2018 at 04:04 PM

Hey TMW another question about the e 32 maps and nuvi. Are the e 32 maps overlayed on the garmin maps? or are they separate? If separate how do I find them?

Thanks for any replys

TMW - 3-15-2018 at 05:18 PM

Chippy I don't know. Probably best to contact Cartografia at http://www.cartografiagps.com/ at the upper right click on the American flag for English if you want then click on contact us. You can ask them a question. There is also a Mexican phone number at the bottom left. My contact has always been Omar Ortiz for when I had trouble loading the update to my GPS.

caj13 - 3-16-2018 at 12:13 PM

Ok guys,
based on what I see here, a bit of research (thanks adv rider) and a couple of very unsatisfactory calls to garmin, I'm trashing my Nuvi and my 60CSx, and just ordered up a new Kyocera duraforce XD for 45 bucks - unlocked (but no sim card) . and I'll load it up with the E-32 app. I currently have ATT, and run an I phone, but I hate it. so I'll start out running the Kyocera as a stand alone GPS / camera, but may just switch it all to the kyocera.

thanks for the info guys!

chippy - 3-28-2018 at 03:46 PM

Update; I used the e32 maps for my route thru the Copper Canyon. El Fuerte,Choix,Tubares ,Batopilas and exiting thru Parral. Great results! It was a bit tricky loading them on my Nuvi but with the help of Alvaro it all worked out.

The e32 maps have a ton of routes thru out Mexico and most in baja.

Excelent customer service!

advrider - 3-28-2018 at 06:07 PM

Just back from a 12 day ride in Baja and used my phone to navigate with OSMAND APP. I ran E32 on my Garmin 350LM just as a back up and to have a second option if needed. Loved the E32 and the amount of detail and pre-marked dirt roads. I will be going to the phone above next but my old Samsung did just fine.