BajaNomad - Los Barrilles beaches

Los Barrilles beaches

Cancamo - 1-12-2019 at 12:13 PM

Looks like long over due changes on hand for Los Barrilles beach access to motorized vehicles.
Sounds like the turtles, (the ones still around), and the beach goers are finally getting a break.
I thought it was illegal anyway, and questioned why folks use the beach as a highway instead of surface roads.

www.colectivopericu.net/2019/01/09/poner-a-salvo-los-nidos-d...

Cancamo - 1-12-2019 at 12:21 PM

www.colectivopericu.net/2019/01/09/poner-a-salvo-los-nidos-d...

Can't get the whole address on here for some reason. Can be found on Colectivo Pericue website, search January 9, 2019.

weebray - 1-12-2019 at 01:12 PM

There are many laws in Mexico. Most are only inforced as a practical matter. No need to be heavy handed with an occasinal innocent violation. Barilles has been discovered by the in crowd and with that has come the arrival of a new kind of fourwheeler. In fact the rage now is FWD four passenger high power de facto cars. Many of them are being stupid on the beach. Sadly, the overworked police are forced by complaints to do something. Ventana isn't far behind.

[Edited on 1-12-2019 by weebray]

gnukid - 1-12-2019 at 03:38 PM

The people discussing the issue in the article are named as ZOFEMAT and Alcalde de Delegacion or Presidente de la ciudad and Consejo Ciudadano.

The region has a long tradition of more than 50-75 years as well as laws that apply to respective areas. They can't make changes to the entire region as they don't have authority but they can make recommendations which is apparently what they are doing. I recall the paintings at Tio Pablos with the guy on a 3 wheeler and a girl throwing off her bikini top from the 1980s.

The federal zone is one thing which can be protected from excessive use by vehicles though certainly people have a right to enter and exit the water using vehicles to pull in and out boats in certain established areas. In fact, Los Barriles exists because of the shape of land by Palmas de Cortez which provides a safe entry to the water for boats year round even during the Winter as opposed to either North or South, we certainly can not endanger the lives of Pangueros by forcing them out.

The region where homes exist has roads which are established and there are concessions owned by each respective party for specific purposes. The region between each of these has been an established roadway on the sand for a very long time and is part of the makeup of the are which is used by thousands of people to access sports in one of the most active sports areas in North America, that support many businesses and lifestyle. The area is home to a senior population that are among the healthiest and most active senior and people of all ages in the world. There is no way anyone supports restricting their access to sports which requires beach access with vehicles to haul gear.

Access must be provided to the beach and people have a right to access which is established and protected in fact a law was just passed to support a fine of 20MDP to anyone who blocks access to the beach for public use.

Certainly Tortugas and other animals from the federal maritime zone should be protected and there is established efforts to do so.

So, certainly changes may occur, but this proposal will not change the general makeup of the region, it can only discourage driving in the federal zone as a form of transit which is limited use case.

People already are aware and use the federal zone primarily for rigging gear, kites, windsurfers, boats, kayaks etc and cars drive above this area in a safe manner.

So it appears to be well intended proposal that can encourage good behavior in the federal zone and discourage quads and other of those types from driving directly on the beach but it can not change the general layout for the regions to use the defined road area on the beach and arroyos as well as park above the federal zone.

Consider the number of established businesses that depend on using this high road along the beach and people who live there solely to use the area for beach sports and motor sports and consider the lashback against enforcement as well as jurisdiction. In fact there are established off road races that pass through e area, huge events on the beach for every sport with massive Pacifico/Tecate and govt vehicles. Nothing will change nor should it except to discourage the few crazy people driving in the tidal and federal zone and cresting the ridge area on quads acting in an aggressive and idiotic manner.

In general, the region experiences high traffic increase for the 3 weeks at christmas and for 1 week at semana santa and other than that it is quiet, so it makes sense that there would be a reaction every year at this tine.

My prediction is that the result of this proposal will result in a agreement permanently establishing Los Barriles as a place to drive on the beach and arroyos.

Let's get to the point, it's likely an objection to the Diva Shack and some of it's members driving crazy and parking in the federal zone. (sarcasm)

While not in this area, here is an article talking about ZOFEMAT buying heavy equipment to manage and clean the federal zone and establish transit pathways above the federal zone. (just saying - tty to imagine a future for LB and what it will look like, it will certainly include driving along the beach. https://rockypoint360.com/zofemat-funds-translate-into-beach...

[Edited on 1-12-2019 by gnukid]

mxracer50 - 1-14-2019 at 08:42 AM

I think it is just a matter of time until riding on the beach is a thing of the past in LB.

weebray - 1-14-2019 at 08:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mxracer50

I think it is just a matter of time until riding on the beach is a thing of the past in LB.

Winds of change in Ventana too.

David K - 1-14-2019 at 10:26 AM

Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
:?:

charliemanson - 1-14-2019 at 11:35 AM

Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
:?:

Completely agreed.

Here foreigners wonder why the 16 y/o girl at the store hasn't learned English so she can ask if they have fresh mangos....not even aware that its not even mango season. Lady in front of me at the store, I kid you not

Cant wait for northern migration season

Bubba - 1-14-2019 at 11:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mxracer50

I think it is just a matter of time until riding on the beach is a thing of the past in LB.

I believe you're correct.

JoeJustJoe - 1-14-2019 at 12:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by weebray

There are many laws in Mexico. Most are only inforced as a practical matter. No need to be heavy handed with an occasinal innocent violation. Barilles has been discovered by the in crowd and with that has come the arrival of a new kind of fourwheeler. In fact the rage now is FWD four passenger high power de facto cars. Many of them are being stupid on the beach. Sadly, the overworked police are forced by complaints to do something. Ventana isn't far behind.

[Edited on 1-12-2019 by weebray]

What happened to, "it's the law, it's the law?"

If somebody dares to drive into Baja, without a FMM, there is nothing but outrage on this forum!

But it somebody wants to go four-wheeling on the beach, and ends up destroying the turtles nests, it's all OK, and the laws aren't all that important, but in the event, if you're caught, a slap on the wrist, should be the only penalty, because it's only a few bad apples that are ruining it for everybody.
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From the translated article: ( this is a worthy goal)

In order to guarantee the preservation of turtle nests, and guarantee the safety of tourists and tenants, it was determined not to allow the circulation of motorized vehicles on the beaches of Los Barriles, informed the head of ZOFEMAT La Paz, Víctor Martínez of Escobar.

charliemanson - 1-14-2019 at 12:57 PM

well a big part of the problem at least here is that Mexicans drive on the beach the total year, which is their right as citizens. Illegal, probably, but who is going to tell them not too? A guy here got placed in the hospital last year as he got the sht kicked out of him after confronting a Mexican national about riding his quad on the beach.

There will never be a situation where "they can, but you can't", nor should there be.

If in fact they, whomever, starts enforcing the law it will have to be for everyone and not selected nationalities. It will continue and personally it sucks as I hate all quads. They are for fat lazies. .Braaaap!

bajafreaks - 1-15-2019 at 07:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
:?:

Spot on quote DK...gotta run I'm late for my beach yoga class I better take the quad.

Bubba - 1-15-2019 at 07:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
:?:

The Oceano Dunes/Beach here on the Central Coast have been open to all vehicles for a very long time. They have been trying to limit/stop this for a few years now.

imlost - 1-15-2019 at 09:35 AM

Riding atv's on the beach is also a symptom of of another problem: Property owners are increasingly making it difficult, if not impossible, for people to gain lawful access to beaches. If the Mexican government allows access restriction by land owners (both private and corporate) to happen, it only exacerbates the atv issue.

fishbuck - 1-15-2019 at 10:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
:?:

When you were the only one doing it...

fishbuck - 1-15-2019 at 10:03 AM

Beach access is the number 1 issue everywhere. It's an ongoing battle.

Enrique2012 - 1-15-2019 at 10:12 AM

Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?

Spot on David.

AKgringo - 1-15-2019 at 10:27 AM

There is a big difference between using a beach as an unpaved road, and using it as a playground. Speed, noise and making a lot of new tracks on a commonly used beach is out of place!

charliemanson - 1-15-2019 at 02:47 PM

There is a big difference between using a beach as an unpaved road, and using it as a playground. Speed, noise and making a lot of new tracks on a commonly used beach is out of place!

Just wondering how that plays out with people who were born and have lived on that " newly acquired " gringo beach all their lives. And we are here now again telling them how to live. Probably not so well. Just ask MR. Bill of Ventana Bay Resort how that has worked for his new face structure.

Case in point, again. It is not our place, as visitors to this country, to tell them "Mexican nationals" how to live. It is just one more reason for them to despise us as they do, but don't say it to our faces as we
"foreigners" do give Baja residents their income for the most part depending on where you are. If you are in a gringo community you do support them... just be wise which battle you want to wage with them.

Bottom line: Respect where you live in the best way possible

gnukid - 1-15-2019 at 04:27 PM

Perhaps there is misunderstanding, there are specific designated areas that have existing laws and jurisdiction. Much of baja is sand that doesn't make it beach.

The area in question is the tidal zone and federal maritime zone which is 20 meters or about 60 feet from the average high/low (not sure which) tide line. That is the area that is restricted as a transit area but may be used to launch boats with vehicles in designated areas usually every couple hundred meters depending on shape of the land.

The issue is that some people drive across the maritime zone for no reason and do so in an unsafe manner, too fast, reckless, too many riders, no safety gear, often cresting the hip and falling resulting in injuries and deaths.

There is no restriction to driving in the designated beach access roads, arroyos, and along the beach above the maritime zone though not within concessions that are reserved and restricted for other activities.

The people who initiated this proposal apparently are predominantly Mexican politicians who have just arrived as part of the new government. Perhaps they are unfamiliar with the athletic beach activities which are predominantly non-motorized such as windsurfing, kiting, sailing, swimming and snorkeling though accessed to region by vehicles. Of course while well intended this proposal has led to confusion among people and also police.

The police may not restrict your access to the beach or to travel and transit safely across regions nor in the maritime zone which is a vague interpretation, leading to confusion. Of course, local and state police actually have no jurisdiction in the federal zone. so... only federal ZOFEMAT officials can actually address the federal zone in response to an actual ecological issue that is demonstrated through published academic scientific study. You can camp in the federal zone and do almost anything you want but don't be an idiot or reckless.

The high road above the maritime area and below the concession is actually a designated road. We normally park to the beach side of this road, since that reduces pedestrian traffic across the road.

There will be no persecution of people using this high road to access the beach for recreation. Anyone attempting to restrict access to the area for any motive not supported by law enforced by the appropriate agencies is subject to a 20 MDP fine.

[Edited on 1-16-2019 by gnukid]

BajaMama - 1-16-2019 at 11:47 AM

I have a difficult time myself with anyone riding anywhere on anything other than a designated road or trail. The beach is not a designated trail. There may be designated trails above the federal zone, not on the beach. You can park there and walk down. I can see backing a kayak straight down to a designated launch area. I can say in all my years with 4x4 trucks, jeeps and ATVs, I practice environmentally protective riding to avoid damage to wildlife and the environment.

bajarich - 1-16-2019 at 08:34 PM

It's the same people who are currently driving off road in protected areas at Joshua Tree NP during the shutdown. They have no respect for the rules and, as long as they figure they won't get caught because there in no enforcement, then they can go ahead and do what they please. They are the reason we have so many laws in the first place.

Many go to Mexico because of the lax enforcement so they can mis-behave.

BajaMama - 1-17-2019 at 04:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajarich

It's the same people who are currently driving off road in protected areas at Joshua Tree NP during the shutdown. They have no respect for the rules and, as long as they figure they won't get caught because there in no enforcement, then they can go ahead and do what they please. They are the reason we have so many laws in the first place.

Many go to Mexico because of the lax enforcement so they can mis-behave.

It's not even the rules, these ding dongs are damaging the environment. It is unfortunate their parents didn't raise them better.

Gscott - 1-18-2019 at 12:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Funny how libs in this country pick and choose which laws to follow. Then outrage if laws aren't followed in other countries? Yes, I'm talking about immigration law and illegal sanctuary cities and pot laws.

[Edited on 1-18-2019 by Gscott]

Bubba - 1-18-2019 at 05:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Gscott

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

That good ol double standard.

BajaMama - 1-18-2019 at 06:53 AM

Bottom line is, it is illegal to ride on the beach, in the Federal Zone in most of Baja. There is a reason for that law. It is annoying to everyone not on an ATV and it is damaging to the environment.

SunDevil - 1-18-2019 at 07:08 AM

Baja is a refuge from control freaks that want to outlaw everything they find annoying.

Those that truly care about damaging the environment should do what they can to reduce their own footprint first. Stay in a tent instead of a hotel built on top of a lot of dead plants and animals.

mxracer50 - 1-18-2019 at 07:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

Bottom line is, it is illegal to ride on the beach, in the Federal Zone in most of Baja. There is a reason for that law. It is annoying to everyone not on an ATV and it is damaging to the environment.

Yes, the sand is very damaged by ATVs on the beach trail. It's equally annoying when people build houses here and all of a sudden want activities stopped that have been going on forever. I'm sure you hate the desert racing too.

weebray - 1-18-2019 at 08:42 AM

Again my take here is that the two countries approach the law in two different ways. In the US the law is considered absolute and incontrovertible. Put a foot wrong and get spanked. In Mexico, laws are enforced selectively. For sure sometimes it has to do with money. (Exactly like the US) And sometimes it has to do with practicality. You will rarely see the police pulling over a plateless P/U with flapping fenders and no taillights - why? - what good would it do? The poor bast*** is most likely on his way to work, has little money and would be devastated buy the loss of his "tool - car". Laws are enforced here when complaints start coming in, the scofflaws are abusive, rich/poor gringos are involved or it impacts rich Mexicans. Personally I prefer the Mexican flexibility. I understand that drives some of you crazy but it's the system so deal with it. Maintain a low profile and observe.

mtgoat666 - 1-18-2019 at 08:45 AM

No wonder people are putting up fences to keep you out of the beaches and remote back country of Baja. Most people are jerks that trample other peoples lands. Most people are jerks that think rules dont apply to them. Most people are jerks that will violate the rules if they know there is no penalty. You all deserve to be fenced out!

JoeJustJoe - 1-18-2019 at 09:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

There is a big difference between using a beach as an unpaved road, and using it as a playground. Speed, noise and making a lot of new tracks on a commonly used beach is out of place!

Just wondering how that plays out with people who were born and have lived on that " newly acquired " gringo beach all their lives. And we are here now again telling them how to live. Probably not so well. Just ask MR. Bill of Ventana Bay Resort how that has worked for his new face structure.

Case in point, again. It is not our place, as visitors to this country, to tell them "Mexican nationals" how to live. It is just one more reason for them to despise us as they do, but don't say it to our faces as we
"foreigners" do give Baja residents their income for the most part depending on where you are. If you are in a gringo community you do support them... just be wise which battle you want to wage with them.

Bottom line: Respect where you live in the best way possible

What a condensing post towards Mexicans, which tries to save itself by saying respect where you live.

Although, I'm sure there are some Mexicans nationals who despise Americans, just like for sure there are some Americans who despise Mexicans, but don't say it to their faces.

The fact is one size do not fit all. That's just negativity stereotyping.

And although tourism is important for all countries including Mexico, American foreigners do not support Mexicans directly.

charliemanson - 1-18-2019 at 10:06 AM

"And although tourism is important for all countries including Mexico, American foreigners do not support Mexicans directly."

Wow, I had no idea. I wonder who that was that I gave money to to clean my house yesterday? I think she lives here and uses the cash for her food that she buys at the local store that is owned by ,I think a Mexican family....Or the big municipal building I went and gave money to to reregister my cars last week, or the fishing capitans I hire for guests to go out and sport fish.

WTF. That is the stupidest comment I have ever seen and there are a lot of them here.

Condensing Mexicans ?

MrBillM - 1-18-2019 at 10:11 AM

???

Says Joe:

" What a condensing post towards Mexicans ......... The fact is one size do [sic] not fit all.........."

While it is evident that many of those overweight could use some condensing, what does that have to do with vehicles and the beaches ?

Spell-Check does have its limitations, doesn't it ?

Malapropisms just aren't software-correctable.

JoeJustJoe - 1-18-2019 at 10:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

"And although tourism is important for all countries including Mexico, American foreigners do not support Mexicans directly."

Wow, I had no idea. I wonder who that was that I gave money to to clean my house yesterday? I think she lives here and uses the cash for her food that she buys at the local store that is owned by ,I think a Mexican family....Or the big municipal building I went and gave money to to reregister my cars last week, or the fishing capitans I hire for guests to go out and sport fish.

WTF. That is the stupidest comment I have ever seen and there are a lot of them here.

Sorry, Charlie, I didn't know you were God's gift to Mexico.

I'm sure you are not one of the Americans, that Mexicans, despise with your attitude towards Mexicans, that they should be beholden to you because you put butter on their bread/ tortillas.

JoeJustJoe - 1-18-2019 at 11:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by weebray

Again my take here is that the two countries approach the law in two different ways. In the US the law is considered absolute and incontrovertible. Put a foot wrong and get spanked. In Mexico, laws are enforced selectively. For sure sometimes it has to do with money. (Exactly like the US) And sometimes it has to do with practicality. You will rarely see the police pulling over a plateless P/U with flapping fenders and no taillights - why? - what good would it do? The poor bast*** is most likely on his way to work, has little money and would be devastated buy the loss of his "tool - car". Laws are enforced here when complaints start coming in, the scofflaws are abusive, rich/poor gringos are involved or it impacts rich Mexicans. Personally I prefer the Mexican flexibility. I understand that drives some of you crazy but it's the system so deal with it. Maintain a low profile and observe.

Weebray, I see you never lived in the hood in the US, because cops in the US pull over minorities all the just for driving while being black or brown, and it there is flapping fenders, it's called probably cause or reasonable suspicion. It's nothing but a shake down looking for drugs. Cops in the US usually do not take bribes, but they get off busting people, and it helps get them promoted, and helps get new toys for the department.

Laws in the US are pretty much the same as in Mexico, and are not absolute and incontrovertible. In the US, you have the justice system for the rich, and then you have the justice system for the poor, and if you happen to be a person of color, you get locked up in prison, while whites usually walk away without doing jail time.

If anything in Mexico, there are a lot of laws that are decriminalized, not on the books, or not enforced, and American ex-pats, have a hard time understand that.

Now if you're talking flapping fenders and no taillights regarding Mexican cops, I don't see the comparison of noise and environmental polluters on ATVs running up and down the beach, that nobody seems to like.

Both Mexican and US cops, both tend to enforce laws when complaints come rolling in, especially if the complaints are coming in from business or deep pocket individuals, be in hookers and junkies on corners, or ATVs running wild on the beach.

Lets hope Mexico gets the ATV riders off the beach.

charliemanson - 1-18-2019 at 11:51 AM

"Sorry, Charlie, I didn't know you were God's gift to Mexico.

I'm sure you are not one of the Americans, that Mexicans, despise with your attitude towards Mexicans, that they should be beholden to you because you put butter on their bread/ tortillas. "

Dude, I am married to a Mexican. I see first hand their attitudes toward us. It isn't very becoming either sorry to say. And we, trying to change their culture doesn't help much either. You still do not support your statement that foreigners do not support Mexican economies. Dumb A..

JoeJustJoe - 1-18-2019 at 01:28 PM

Well I'm Mexican, actually Mexican-American, although I have been acccused of hating all white people before, usually people have to earn my disrespect, and I think it's the same way for most Mexican Nationals, although some ugly Americans in Mexico do set a bad example.

Just because some Americans may be married to a Mexican women, have a Mexican woman GF, or just like to have fun with Mexican women, does not give them a pass that they can't be bigoted, or even hateful towards Mexican women.

Some of the biggest racists I have known have been both banned from this site or post in the OT , and they have been married to Latina women.

Everybody has to stand on their own merits and do not get a pass just because of who they know as friends, marriage partners, or people they work with.

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

"Sorry, Charlie, I didn't know you were God's gift to Mexico.

I'm sure you are not one of the Americans, that Mexicans, despise with your attitude towards Mexicans, that they should be beholden to you because you put butter on their bread/ tortillas. "

Dude, I am married to a Mexican. I see first hand their attitudes toward us. It isn't very becoming either sorry to say. And we, trying to change their culture doesn't help much either. You still do not support your statement that foreigners do not support Mexican economies. Dumb A..

weebray - 1-18-2019 at 05:52 PM

Interesting comments, wrong, but interesting. You are entitled to your uninformed opinion..... Some of you guys should change your handle to "To Do". Apparently, you have nothing "to do" but sit around at the computer like a blind ham and wait for something to pounce on. I take that back, if you changed your name I wouldn't know who to ignore. Peace

[Edited on 1-19-2019 by weebray]

John Harper - 1-18-2019 at 06:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by weebray

like a blind ham and wait for something to pounce on.

I've never heard this simile, can you explain? I love a good metaphor or simile! Never know when they'll come in handy.

John

weebray - 1-19-2019 at 07:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Quote: Originally posted by weebray

like a blind ham and wait for something to pounce on.

I've never heard this simile, can you explain? I love a good metaphor or simile! Never know when they'll come in handy.

John

I apologice in advance for the insensitivity but "ham" operators tend to be a bit myopic and spend their time searching tha airwaves in desperaton for a conversation to jump in to.

John Harper - 1-19-2019 at 08:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by weebray

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Quote: Originally posted by weebray

like a blind ham and wait for something to pounce on.

I've never heard this simile, can you explain? I love a good metaphor or simile! Never know when they'll come in handy.

John

I apologice in advance for the insensitivity but "ham" operators tend to be a bit myopic and spend their time searching tha airwaves in desperaton for a conversation to jump in to.

Oh, that makes sense! Very clever.

John

JoeJustJoe - 1-19-2019 at 08:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by weebray

Interesting comments, wrong, but interesting. You are entitled to your uninformed opinion..... Some of you guys should change your handle to "To Do". Apparently, you have nothing "to do" but sit around at the computer like a blind ham and wait for something to pounce on. I take that back, if you changed your name I wouldn't know who to ignore. Peace

[Edited on 1-19-2019 by weebray]

Weebray, I find it funny you think you're so much in the right, when in your own post below implies it's your opinion, which BTW is so clueless in light the US Congress just passed a justice reform bill, because the criminal laws in the US are anything but absolute and incontrovertible.

Now quit making excuses for fat guys riding around ATVs on the beach which causes noise pollution, kills the turtles nests, and causes environmental damages.

Weebray wrote:

Again my take here is that the two countries approach the law in two different ways. In the US the law is considered absolute and incontrovertible.

mxracer50 - 1-31-2019 at 08:20 AM

Anyone have an update on this, I saw that there was a meeting planned on it.

windgrrl - 1-31-2019 at 01:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mxracer50

Anyone have an update on this, I saw that there was a meeting planned on it.

From FB:

“Everything Los Barriles...”
https://www.facebook.com/groups/367341703636540/permalink/76...

Delagacion de Los Barriles activities & meetings:
https://www.facebook.com/delegacion.losbarriles

[Edited on 1-31-2019 by windgrrl]

SunDevil - 2-1-2019 at 07:06 AM

The 2972–012719 version of thebajaponyexpress on JANUARY 27, 2019 had this update.

"Normally I wouldn’t say this without official verification but I heard from a very reliable source that all vehicles on the beach may be confiscated beginning possibly this Monday 1/28/19. Does anyone have any concrete knowledge of this situation?"

4x4abc - 2-1-2019 at 09:05 AM

I think the best way to protect a beach is to build a big hotel. I am dead serious.
No vehicles on the beach. Turtles are protected.
All guests are at the pool. Turtles are protected.
No locals enjoying the weekend. Turtles are protected.

gnukid - 2-1-2019 at 10:42 AM

The Delegacion has no authority to either block roads, arroyos or beach access, nor enforce transit laws, nor engage in restrictions to the federal zone. Any one who attempts to do this is subject to a 20MDP fine for blocking free passage to the beach and public access ways.

The proposal is to block thru traffic with a check point, but this check point may not restrict transit or movement. So, it's for show until someone files a formal denuncia against the Delegation and whoever mans the checkpoint and wins in court.