BajaNomad

Billions of dollars each month being sent to Mexico

wilderone - 7-17-2019 at 07:53 PM

Wow - what would it mean to the US economy if the money earned or collected from welfare programs was saved or spent in the USA instead of being sent out of the country.

"Remittances to Mexico, one of the main largest sectors of the countrys economy, in May hit their highest level for any individual month on record, according to new figures released by the countrys central bank.

Mexicans abroad sent $3.203 billion in May, or 1.5 percent higher than the $3.156 recorded the same month a year earlier, according to numbers released this week by the Bank of Mexico.

May has historically been one of the highest months for remittances in Mexico, given that its the month the country celebrates Mothers Day. But Gricha Raether, who heads the Mexico City-based remittance payout company Poni, says President Donald Trumps promises of stepping up deportations has sent a ripple across American households that include undocumented immigrants.

People are making more sacrifices to send more money so that they can keep the minimum they need to survive in the U.S. and the rest transport it over here, Raether said. Theres also the factor of the dollar getting more value in terms of the exchange rates. "

Source: https://fronterasdesk.org

chuckie - 7-18-2019 at 01:57 AM

Shouldn't matter how they got the money. But I bet most of it came from good hard work...Its theirs to do with as they see fit......

wessongroup - 7-18-2019 at 03:08 AM

Provided all taxes were paid on cash remittances .. no harm no foul IMO

[Edited on 7-18-2019 by wessongroup]

Bubba - 7-18-2019 at 04:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Shouldn't matter how they got the money. But I bet most of it came from good hard work...Its theirs to do with as they see fit......


And 99% are not paying 1 penny in taxes.

paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 05:00 AM

"Wow - what would it mean to the US economy if the money earned or collected from welfare programs was saved or spent in the USA instead of being sent out of the country."

There might be benefits returned in that the money sent south does keep a certain percentage of the populace of Mexico right where they are. And it may also operate to keep some of the populace from rising up and causing a change in their own country.

The article also states; "People are making more sacrifices to send more money so that they can keep the minimum they need to survive in the U.S. and the rest transport it over here", which could mean a level of subsistance is required to subsidize the wealth they could have raised their living standards yet sent south...all playing into the left's imaging of a 'poor' populace abused by low wages.

How about we tax the monies leaving the country (and taken out of circulation here) at the sending source and use it to build 'the wall'?

paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 05:03 AM

And what is the comparison to the retiree's funds spent as expats or the visitor's vacation expenditures given freely by the citizens of the US, taken out of circulation in the US and into circulation in Mexico?

paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 05:06 AM

Said my piece. Save my place at the table for JJJ or the Goat.

chuckie - 7-18-2019 at 05:47 AM

Whats your source for the 99% BUBBA?

mtgoat666 - 7-18-2019 at 05:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
Said my piece. Save my place at the table for JJJ or the Goat.


Wilderone is another dumb trump bigot, not worth my time to respond to.


SFandH - 7-18-2019 at 06:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Shouldn't matter how they got the money. But I bet most of it came from good hard work...Its theirs to do with as they see fit......


Exactly!!

The first thing that I thought was "Good! Mexico needs the money." I realize others may have a different viewpoint.

Sending money home to the "old country" has been happening for a long time. The US was built by immigrants.


[Edited on 7-18-2019 by SFandH]

JoeJustJoe - 7-18-2019 at 07:06 AM

I saw this thread early on where Wilderone, equated remittances to Mexico, as welfare, and said to myself, "oh no we are going to have another racist thread!

However I'm most pleased by the replies, that most members here either called out Wilderone's wefare comparison, and seem to believe Mexicans who work hard and earn a paycheck can do with their money as they please.

But there are always a few Bubba's, and Paranewbi's around.

Bubba, doesn't seem to know that even if you work underground, and do not get a paycheck, you still pay taxes indirectly from such things as rent, food, or shopping at places like Home Depot.

Paranewbi, where do I start?

Paranewbi, seems to want to built a wall, and double tax the remittances, because he is that kinda guy.

I still can't get over Paranewbi's ridiculous book, where he claims he talked an immigrant to stay home rather then come to the US and work, after Paranewebi, gave the immigrant a few bucks to be brainwashed by him.

If Paranewbi's story is to be believed, that Latino immigrant, has to be one dumb idiot to listen to Paranewbi.



[Edited on 7-18-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 07:07 AM

"The US was built by immigrants."

Do you mean those racist, bigots and slave owners?
I thought the Democratic Party did that...of course one and the same.

And the word 'was' implies completion...so what is there to build upon? If we still need all those 'builders' what are they going to build the US into?

And by the way... it seems most of those past 'builders' don't really want any more 'builders' coming to 'build' us.

paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 07:11 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
I saw this thread early on where Wilderone, equated remittances to Mexico, as welfare, and said to myself, "oh no we are going to have another racist thread!

However I'm most pleased by the replies, that most members here either called out Wilderone's wefare comparison, and seem to believe Mexicans who work hard and earn a paycheck can do with their money as they please.

But there are always a few Bubba's, and Paranewbi's around.

Bubba, doesn't seem to know that even if you work underground, and do not get a paycheck, you still pay taxes indirectly from such things as rent, food, or shopping at places like Home Depot.

Paranewbi, where do I start?

Paranewbi, seems to want to built a wall!

I still can't get over Paranewbi's ridiculous book, where he claims he talked an immigrant to stay home rather then come to the US and work.

If Paranewbi's story is to be believed, that Latino immigrant, has to be one dumb idiot to listen to Paranewbi.

[Edited on 7-18-2019 by JoeJustJoe]


conjecture
[kənˈjekCHər]
NOUN

an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

VERB

form an opinion or supposition about (something) on the basis of incomplete information.

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wilderone - 7-18-2019 at 07:34 AM

So. No answers.

"There might be benefits returned in that the money sent south does keep a certain percentage of the populace of Mexico right where they are. And it may also operate to keep some of the populace from rising up and causing a change in their own country" DUH.

What's a Trump bigot and what does Trump have to do with people earning money in the US and sending it to Mexico?

JJJ: you have a reading comprehension problem.

JoeJustJoe - 7-18-2019 at 07:34 AM

Nope, I think I have a very good idea where you are coming from Paranewbi, even if I didn't read "Through The Eyes Of Juan" which is really through the eyes of Paranewbi.

The fact that you found religion later, doesn't really seem to help.

BTW I'm speechless about the Religious-right( white) hypocrisy in the USA about immigration, and their high support for Trump.

Old post by Paranewbi.

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
"How about a program that enables those willing to sponsor an immigrant and personally guarantee their support? This would weed out those who want to spend others money on the free programs."

I sought out a way to do this in 2006. We have sponsored a family since 1997 in Guatemala. Wife and I met the father in the jungle around Peten back then. Never faltered at meeting their basic needs financially to stay where they are.

Just published a book about how I lost my construction job to illegal immigrants in the 70's and my struggle to lose the animosity over that. Titled "Through The Eyes Of Juan" (the father in Peten).

It is now available at my website 'Shadowspath.net' and every penny from those sales will help support this family in Guatemala as my wife and I retire.

It's an easy read with pictures...perfectly suitable for a rainy day and a margarita! :D

Paco Facullo - 7-18-2019 at 08:27 AM

I'm with the PRO group.

Being a retried Plumbing contractor and one who has hired "day help" hundreds of times. The Mexicans and other Latino workers were ,most always, by far the best workers.

I even helped one "Jose" get his citizenship. Personally I have nothing but respect and admiration for most Mexicans..



[Edited on 7-18-2019 by Paco Facullo]

4x4abc - 7-18-2019 at 08:33 AM

how about the several hundred billions a year sent by big money earners to some shelters outside the US

but I understand - it is so much more fun to beat up the little guys

plus, it is so beautifully inflammatory

SFandH - 7-18-2019 at 09:05 AM

Let's see, according to the OP, 3.2 billion a month is sent out. Annually 38.4 billion, let's call it 40 billion. The value of all goods and services produced in the past year, the GDP, is right around 20 trillion, or 20000 billion.

Soooooooo, 40 / 20000 = .002 or 0.2 percent sent out of the country by immigrants.

This is not a big problem.

[Edited on 7-18-2019 by SFandH]

paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 10:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Nope, I think I have a very good idea where you are coming from Paranewbi, even if I didn't read "Through The Eyes Of Juan" which is really through the eyes of Paranewbi.

The fact that you found religion later, doesn't really seem to help.

BTW I'm speechless about the Religious-right( white) hypocrisy in the USA about immigration, and their high support for Trump.

Old post by Paranewbi.

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
"How about a program that enables those willing to sponsor an immigrant and personally guarantee their support? This would weed out those who want to spend others money on the free programs."

I sought out a way to do this in 2006. We have sponsored a family since 1997 in Guatemala. Wife and I met the father in the jungle around Peten back then. Never faltered at meeting their basic needs financially to stay where they are.

Just published a book about how I lost my construction job to illegal immigrants in the 70's and my struggle to lose the animosity over that. Titled "Through The Eyes Of Juan" (the father in Peten).

It is now available at my website 'Shadowspath.net' and every penny from those sales will help support this family in Guatemala as my wife and I retire.

It's an easy read with pictures...perfectly suitable for a rainy day and a margarita! :D


Thanks for the bump/plug JJJ!!

Our sending Juan back to his family with a guarantee of substantial financial support was born on the witnessing of his family crying while watching a video we brought with us to their home in Guatemala on an Easter visit. The video was of their husband/father on our patio and recording a message to his family he hadn't seen in several months. The anguish we saw in his families hearts (and ours witnessing it) convinced my wife and me to make a commitment to provide what they needed and reunite our Guatemalan adopted family.
This is all part of the story of 'Through the Eyes of Juan' but of course JJJ has never read what he comments on and thus leans on conjecture to bolster his diatribe.

paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 11:01 AM

OH...and if anyone (of course JJJ also) wants to know my name and what I look like...that is available on my website.
And if they want to see what I talk like...I've been on a whole lot of news programs centered around my son's exoneration and release from 8 years in prison for a crime he did not do.

Just wanted to say, I don't hide from anyone, unlike some on this board do.

pssst...if you u2u me with a personal email address I will send you all the links you want and I have 55 years of photos of me traveling all over Central America, Mexico, working in orphanages in the Norte zone, working as a construction worker, getting married in Tecate, etc. All of which is evidence of what I say I do is exactly as I do...

C'mon JJJ...put it out there.

chuckie - 7-18-2019 at 02:21 PM


sancho - 7-18-2019 at 03:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  

Personally I have nothing but respect and admiration for most Mexicans..
[Edited on 7-18-2019 by Paco Facullo]







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Disastrogirl - 7-18-2019 at 03:27 PM

Undocumented immigrants who work pay into unemployment, medicare and social security but never get to use any of it.

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/01/28/undocumented-immigran...

Maybe we should find a way to send that to Mexico, since we are so worried about money going where it doesn't belong.

Or, maybe we should be charging higher fines to companies who hire undocumented workers. Maybe we should make it harder for corporations to send factories to other countries and outsource work to cheaper countries.

Maybe we should take back that big tax cut for the rich, since our government deficit is the highest it's ever been. That's a much larger chunk of money that our government doesn't have. Of course, that only matters if your issue is really money that the government isn't getting.

mtgoat666 - 7-18-2019 at 03:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Disastrogirl  
Undocumented immigrants who work pay into unemployment, medicare and social security but never get to use any of it.

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/01/28/undocumented-immigran...

Maybe we should find a way to send that to Mexico, since we are so worried about money going where it doesn't belong.

Or, maybe we should be charging higher fines to companies who hire undocumented workers. Maybe we should make it harder for corporations to send factories to other countries and outsource work to cheaper countries.

Maybe we should take back that big tax cut for the rich, since our government deficit is the highest it's ever been. That's a much larger chunk of money that our government doesn't have. Of course, that only matters if your issue is really money that the government isn't getting.


You sound like a treasonous communist! As my exalted orange baboon leader says, “if you dont like ‘merica, and you dare to debate, then you go back home to your chit hole!”

JoeJustJoe - 7-18-2019 at 03:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
OH...and if anyone (of course JJJ also) wants to know my name and what I look like...that is available on my website.
And if they want to see what I talk like...I've been on a whole lot of news programs centered around my son's exoneration and release from 8 years in prison for a crime he did not do.

Just wanted to say, I don't hide from anyone, unlike some on this board do.

pssst...if you u2u me with a personal email address I will send you all the links you want and I have 55 years of photos of me traveling all over Central America, Mexico, working in orphanages in the Norte zone, working as a construction worker, getting married in Tecate, etc. All of which is evidence of what I say I do is exactly as I do...

C'mon JJJ...put it out there.


I seen your photo probably taken at least 15 years ago, and I know all about your son, and you talking to extreme right-wing radio in San Diego, about your plight losing your business, that you blame on illegal Mexican immigration in the 70's.

Hogwash, with your blame, and although you claim you are not bitter, your posts in this thread prove you still harbor resentment towards Mexicans construction workers, where you say, ' And by the way... it seems most of those past 'builders' don't really want any more 'builders' coming to 'build' us." You are talking about Mexican constructions workers aren't you?

If you want why don't you send me Juan's email from Central America, so I could talk some sense into him.

He doesn't have to wait around for handouts from you and your wife. Juan, could instead come to America, anyway he can, because there are plenty of jobs here, papers or no papers that pay a living wage, and although it's tough living away from home with your family so far away, Juan could take pride that he is supporting his family and working like a man.

After a few years he could go back home, or better still bring his family from central America here to the US to live the American dream.


SFandH - 7-18-2019 at 04:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
Personally I have nothing but respect and admiration for most Mexicans..


Especially the ones that send part of their probably low wages home to mom and dad or other family members.

I can't understand the couple/few on this message board that don't like money being sent out of the country to help relatives. If the trade deficit is your issue, you're really going after small potatoes.

Gee, what else could it be?


[Edited on 7-18-2019 by SFandH]

paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 05:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
OH...and if anyone (of course JJJ also) wants to know my name and what I look like...that is available on my website.
And if they want to see what I talk like...I've been on a whole lot of news programs centered around my son's exoneration and release from 8 years in prison for a crime he did not do.

Just wanted to say, I don't hide from anyone, unlike some on this board do.

pssst...if you u2u me with a personal email address I will send you all the links you want and I have 55 years of photos of me traveling all over Central America, Mexico, working in orphanages in the Norte zone, working as a construction worker, getting married in Tecate, etc. All of which is evidence of what I say I do is exactly as I do...

C'mon JJJ...put it out there.


I seen your photo probably taken at least 15 years ago, and I know all about your son, and you talking to extreme right-wing radio in San Diego, about your plight losing your business, that you blame on illegal Mexican immigration in the 70's.

Hogwash, with your blame, and although you claim you are not bitter, your posts in this thread prove you still harbor resentment towards Mexicans construction workers, where you say, ' And by the way... it seems most of those past 'builders' don't really want any more 'builders' coming to 'build' us." You are talking about Mexican constructions workers aren't you?

If you want why don't you send me Juan's email from Central America, so I could talk some sense into him.

He doesn't have to wait around for handouts from you and your wife. Juan, could instead come to America, anyway he can, because there are plenty of jobs here, papers or no papers that pay a living wage, and although it's tough living away from home with your family so far away, Juan could take pride that he is supporting his family and working like a man.

After a few years he could go back home, or better still bring his family from central America here to the US to live the American dream.



If anyone wants to determine just how twisted JJJ is...my website, as I said, is available to all... and my book details a part of my life with Juan.

JJJ is too lazy to rely on anything but conjecture.


paranewbi - 7-18-2019 at 05:24 PM

What JJJ doesn't see...from my website

Why Through The Eyes Of Juan

My wife, Mary, and I have traveled extensively through Mexico and Central America over the years. We decided at one point to do something about the plight of a family, the family of Juan Mis.

Over the years of bonding with ‘our Guatemalan family’, we have maintained our monthly support financially, without interruption. This even in the most financially dire times of our lives.

We knew this was a necessity because the environment in Guatemala is void of jobs, especially for the children as they grew into adulthood. What little work there was available, was unstable in the economy, and caused a need to constantly look for other work, even while employed.

Often where four or five people of a family were employable, only one or two could actually find work. And at 80 cents an hour, even two incomes fail to provide for much.

Twice we provided the necessary funding for extended education; Teaching College for the oldest son, Juanito and Agricultural/Veterinary College for the second oldest son, Marconi. But upon graduation, the deterioration of the economy caused a lack of employment opportunities. Essentially there is little in Guatemala that guarantees employment.

Even with our support, Juan found the need to come to the United States as an illegal alien, ‘one without papers’. He came to us.

After almost a year here, Mary and I resolved to send him back home. To do that we reached an agreement to increase our financial support. We came to understand some time later that the increased financial support was not to provide a more lucrative life for our family in Guatemala, but to put another son through college in the hope that a brighter future might be realized.

A request was made of Mary and I, a couple of years ago during Juan’s failing health, to fund an operation that might bring Juan back to health. We couldn’t afford the monies needed and by the time we came to realize that, Juan’s health was near terminal. Juan died in 2016.

His wife Eva and the kids have done what families do…they have carried on the best they know how.

Mary and I are nearing retirement and we are concerned that our support for our family in Guatemala is maintained. In the endeavor to do just that, I have decided to write about our relationship with Juan and Eva and the kids.

I independently publish (IP) this work with no support towards content, grammar, editing, etc. I can’t justify investing money to do such, when my efforts are aimed at using the funds acquired through sales, to support our family in Guatemala.

This is my first book I have ever written. It is not polished to the standards of what some may expect. I really don’t care. I do care that this story comes to you as if I was telling it to you directly. I want you to see it as I do, personal. That is how our families became as one.

50% of the price you pay for this book goes to production – 50% goes to Eva and the kids. Nothing to us.

The joy of that, goes to Mary and me.

David K - 7-18-2019 at 06:07 PM

If I can help with self-publishing advice or printer recommendations, email me. I know you have my book from when we met in San Diego, yes? I spent a year creating it and I just put in an order for another printing (the 7th) as they keep selling, so I did something right!

wessongroup - 7-18-2019 at 06:33 PM

paranewbi .... Thanks for the: info, discussion and your efforts to help those in need ... Sorry to hear about your son ... THAT does happen sadly and ruins a life permanently in many cases

Trump's actions in the area of Prison Reform have IMO been very positive to a very large segment of our population that becomes labeled ... We don't "brand" any more, but, the paper trail is just as bad



[Edited on 7-19-2019 by wessongroup]

JoeJustJoe - 7-19-2019 at 07:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  


Why Through The Eyes Of Juan

My wife, Mary, and I have traveled extensively through Mexico and Central America over the years. We decided at one point to do something about the plight of a family, the family of Juan Mis.

Over the years of bonding with ‘our Guatemalan family’, we have maintained our monthly support financially, without interruption. This even in the most financially dire times of our lives.

We knew this was a necessity because the environment in Guatemala is void of jobs, especially for the children as they grew into adulthood. What little work there was available, was unstable in the economy, and caused a need to constantly look for other work, even while employed.


Even with our support, Juan found the need to come to the United States as an illegal alien, ‘one without papers’. He came to us.

After almost a year here, Mary and I resolved to send him back home. To do that we reached an agreement to increase our financial support. We came to understand some time later that the increased financial support was not to provide a more lucrative life for our family in Guatemala, but to put another son through college in the hope that a brighter future might be realized.



Paranewbi, who were you to determine that Juan, had to go back to Guatemala?

Juan was not a slave or dog, that needed direction from you.

That should be his call, if he wants to continue working in the US making a livable wage to send back home, or going back to a country with no jobs or as you said, the jobs paid 80 cents an hour.

Good luck with your book, but I don't think it's something I would enjoy reading, and although you probably meant well, I don't think you really had Juan's best interest at heart, and in fact were probably quite hostile to the though Juan, wanted to come to the US as an undocumented Mexican worker, especially given the fact that you blamed people like Juan, for your construction business failure in the 70's.

I also take it that you're an evangelical Christian type, and belonged to a church that helped poor orphans.

Personally, I'm horrified at the white evangelical base, and religious right in the US, who are Trump's strongest supporters. What hypocrites!


paranewbi - 7-19-2019 at 10:29 AM

It's all in the book JJJ; how we met, my 'invitation' if he ever got to the states, the years of support and how that started... before he unexpectedly started north.
The year he spent with us in our home in Ocean Beach and how we came to grow closer as two men going through intense times in our lives together (My son in law's death by a drunk driver leaving my daughter and 4 fatherless grandkids, my son's false accusation and incarceration, all in the year Juan was with us).
The contrast to my experience being affected by the immigration influx personally at one time and my setting that aside to answer a family in need from a small town in Guatemala where 45 men from their village were already in the US (Florida).
And yes J-man, I am a student of the Bible, yet do not consider my self Christian nor evangelical, and that did play a role in my answering a call from the needy.
I can understand your horror at something that somehow threatens you so much that you fail to observe yourself and focus on others such as those 'hypocrites'. Your very being is limited and that is frightening in a way...but it's the limits of your mind that is your greatest enemy JJJ.

[Edited on 7-19-2019 by paranewbi]

paranewbi - 7-19-2019 at 10:39 AM

Another answer in the book JJJ... at the end of Juan's year with us we were forced to relocate and found a new home in Imperial Beach. We knew it would be tough having Juan with us in a town where the Border Patrol was so prevalent at the time and I was growing leary of employing him on my federal job sites.
Juan and I discussed his options and one was to go to Florida and join his community there or take the support of my wife and I and return home...which is what we hoped for upon seeing the families heartache at being separated (Juan's also).
It was Juan's choice JJJ. Although the heartache we had was relieved by the one he made it was his choice. Our son's trial drove us into bankruptcy but somehow we were blessed enough to maintain our five hundred dollar a month support we committed to. That was the amount Juan felt he would be sending home if he went to Florida and worked in a restaurant with his friends...that's why we committed to that amount.
It's all in the book.

paranewbi - 7-19-2019 at 10:49 AM

Just a little aside JJJ.
I also visit men in prison on weekends...not through or with anyone else or organization, just on my own.
One is Black...ex gang member
One is Phillipino...
One is white (has Aspergers, killed both his parents)
One is a Mexican Sin Papeles, convicted of a sex crime.

Don't quite fit your bigotted image hey JJJ?
Go ahead conjecture falsely some more.
And coware from my challenge to put yourself out there as much as I have.

paranewbi - 7-20-2019 at 05:32 AM

DK...thanks for your offer. Completely humbled by the struggle to produce correct sentence structure with my public education background. :P
Was great meeting you and between my son and us we actually purchased at least two of your books. Have to say the setting was an eye-opener being surrounded by forty thousand authors represented at that event!

To all the fellow nomads that U2U'd me, thanks for the responses! I really have to remember our little spats here and there on this forum are not indicative of the great people I have yet to meet.

JoeJustJoe - 7-20-2019 at 07:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
Another answer in the book JJJ... at the end of Juan's year with us we were forced to relocate and found a new home in Imperial Beach. We knew it would be tough having Juan with us in a town where the Border Patrol was so prevalent at the time and I was growing leary of employing him on my federal job sites.
Juan and I discussed his options and one was to go to Florida and join his community there or take the support of my wife and I and return home...which is what we hoped for upon seeing the families heartache at being separated (Juan's also).
It was Juan's choice JJJ. Although the heartache we had was relieved by the one he made it was his choice. Our son's trial drove us into bankruptcy but somehow we were blessed enough to maintain our five hundred dollar a month support we committed to. That was the amount Juan felt he would be sending home if he went to Florida and worked in a restaurant with his friends...that's why we committed to that amount.
It's all in the book.


I was going to leave this subject alone, but it seems you want to talk about it, so I'm game.

I'm still not impressed, and I don't think it was Juan's choice of going home. He lived with you, and no doubt he knew you and your wife didn't really want him around.

According to you, you employed Juan, and undocumented alien, on Federal jobs, and so you also exploited him, and you didn't pay him prevalent union wages at the time. You also feared that either you or Juan would get caught, which probably wasn't a big risk at the time.

I don't know why you would fear anything because rarely are the employers held responsible when they employee undocumented alien workers. If the FEDS or at the state level, targets the employers instead of the employees, there wouldn't be so many undocumented workers in this country.

So you also visit men in prison on weekends, and now you don't think you fit the image I had of you?

No my image of you hasn't changed, there are a lot of bible trumpers, that hang out in prisons, soup kitchens, and homeless shelters, to pray with and convert the so-called heathen, lost souls to their brand of religion.

The Spanish priests and other missionaries have been doing that for centuries, and rarely is it helping. Personally, I find it annoying, and if I was ever down and out, the last thing I would want to hear is someone preaching to me about Jesus, Allah, or other God, that supposedly lives in the sky heavens.

What matters to me is what's in your heart. I saw in another post by you Paranewbi, you implied support for Trump, putting children in cages, because the illegal aliens, as you call them were breaking the law!

Jesus, would not support putting children in cages regardless if their parents broke the law or not. ( Asylum seekers are not breaking the law when they come to the US and ask for asylum)

So Paranewbi, so we can be clear, let me here you denounce Trump's policy of separating children from their parents and then putting both children and Parents in separate disgusting cages.

Paranewbi, knowing that your son was falsely accused of a crime and locked up in prison for a number of years, and also knowing that your'e a big Trump, supporters.

Tell me Paranewbi, what's your position on the death penalty?


paranewbi - 7-20-2019 at 11:01 AM

The conjecture is your favorite ploy jjj.

You're sadly impressed with those conclusions and all born on an inability to read content through the fog of a mind that hates.

All of your false conjectures are shown to be weak by the evidence in writing, photos and news broadcast's that bare the truth of what I have experienced and my investment in helping those in need.

I only entertain a dialogue with you JJJ because I hear a cry of someone desperately trying to escape that which haunts you.

All of the answers to your questions are in my book. But you don't like the answers and because you enjoy hate and so you go.



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Howard - 7-20-2019 at 11:30 AM

What a bunch of knuckleheads some of you are.

Mark Twain:“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

Sky is up, water is wet. Go argue about that seeing apparently you have nothing better to do with your life.

paranewbi - 7-20-2019 at 02:07 PM

Accepted Howard.
Guess I just don't understand the protesting of perceived hate and violence, with hate and violence.

The time will come when they will kill you thinking they are doing the right thing...

Historical and present

Howard - 7-20-2019 at 03:26 PM

Unfortunately you are correct. Always has been and probably always will be.

I do have a serious question. When was the last time the U.S. didn't have some type of military action (not troops just stationed somewhere) in the world? I am not trying to stir the pot on if it was a good cause or not, just the last year we weren't involved in some type of sh-t. I assume it was in the 1950s but maybe not even then.

It's been a long, long time which proves your point about zealots thinking they are doing the correct thing.

My rant is done! :biggrin:

JoeJustJoe - 7-20-2019 at 03:31 PM

Paranewbi, you don't fool me, and it's obvious you hate immigrants of any kind from the post below you wrote a few years ago, while you counted how many legal immigrants walked or drove into the US to work during the day and back home to Mexico during the night.

Just imagine if they were undocumented, you would have gone nuts!

Again, you stand there as a so-called good Christian, and not only turn a blinds eye on what's Trump's administration is doing to migrant children, but you encourage or justify by by claiming what the migrants were doing was illegal, and so they got what they deserved!

Paranewbi, if you're looking at pats from the back from me, you won't get one. If others here support you on "Baja Nomad" that's only because they think exactly like you and watch "Fox News."

So according to you Mexican immigrants provide no benefits at all when they work in the US? WRONG!

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  


"no, they come en mass to work for gringos for low wages" mtgoat666

They come here to gain a wage that is 4-6 times what they would be paid in their own country for the same work. As for your masses statement associated with somehow abused peoples, stand at the border on a weekday and count the masses that enter the US for those wages everyday and then return to Tijuana, Otay, and Tecate while calculating that it is worth every penny for those long lines and long days to take it back to their homes in Mexico and contribute nothing by paying property taxes, Durable goods taxes, food taxes or gas taxes as those of us who work AND live here do. Add in the cost of accomidating their entry by providing a massive border system and the crowded highway to get these NON-AGRICULTERAL workers to do the jobs 'we won't do'. Just sayin




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caj13 - 7-21-2019 at 05:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
What JJJ doesn't see...from my website

50% of the price you pay for this book goes to production – 50% goes to Eva and the kids. Nothing to us.

The joy of that, goes to Mary and me.


Paranewbi:
I have no interest in reading you book, but if you send me contact info (IE how you get money to Eva,) I will send her the cost of the book - that way 100% will go directly to her and her family

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paranewbi - 7-21-2019 at 06:20 AM

Yahoo caj13!!
I send it via XOOM dot com (my PayPal account). The problem is that the cost of transmitting monies via XOOM is four dollars ninety-nine cents. With the nominal cost of a book you won't read... that's over thirty percent given to XOOM!

My wife and I now send Eva three hundred dollars a month whether there are any book sales or not. That means we only pay one point five percent for each transmission.
XOOM is actually one of the cheapest forms we have found but not to send nominal amounts.

Maybe my book would make good packing material or fish wrap?
Acknowledging your heartfelt offer... I will U2U Eva's information to you though.


mtgoat666 - 7-21-2019 at 07:54 AM

Trump is a wanna-be dictator that foments racist us vs them identity politics. Don’t let trump and his people get carried away and create another genocide. Trump is on his way to adding to this list!

American Indians 1800s/1900s
Armenia 1915
The Holocaust
Cambodia 1970s
Rwanda 1990
Bosnia 1995
Darfur 2003
Trump 2019



Genocide ?

MrBillM - 7-21-2019 at 04:11 PM

While I take a backseat to none in my distaste for Trashy Trump and desire to see him dislodged from office (deceased or otherwise), whatever criticism that can be legitimately offered over his "Illegal Immigrants" approach, Genocide seems a bit beyond the pale.

It's a reach to think that his intent is to KILL them in total or (even) significant numbers. Although, it's probably true that he doesn't really care whether they croak as long as there's no negative impact on his numbers. His concern for humanity encompasses only one individual.

Terry28 - 7-22-2019 at 09:22 AM

OH My GOD!!! it must be a cold day in hell...I actually agree with Mr.Bill