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San Juanico airport project , a natural disaster

surfinggrandpa71 - 3-13-2021 at 07:24 PM

I’ve been asked to take this down by a mutual friend. So I will comply per their request

surfinggrandpa71 - 3-13-2021 at 10:16 PM

Fred Borelli airport project , destruction of desert and no regard for townspeople and their health.

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BigBearRider - 3-14-2021 at 04:12 AM

I wanted to read this.

elskel - 3-14-2021 at 07:10 AM

Why would you take it down? He is promoting the airport all over his hotel Facebook page.

mtgoat666 - 3-14-2021 at 07:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surfinggrandpa71  
Fred Borelli airport project , destruction of desert and no regard for townspeople and their health.


San juanico was ruined long ago,
Some people think it still needs more ruining,
So the they dreamed up a new ruining that would appeal to the citizens of orange county

surfinggrandpa71 - 3-14-2021 at 08:06 AM

I was asked by my friend who lives there to remove, he was afraid it would cast bad light on the employees of Mr Borrelis hotel. The Borelli guy doesn’t care about nature, preservation or environmental pollution. He is a wanna be developer that spends 5 days a year in San Juanico

pacificobob - 3-14-2021 at 08:39 AM

when discussing environmental characteristics of san juanico let's no forget the raw sewage on the beach in front of town.

mtgoat666 - 3-14-2021 at 08:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
when discussing environmental characteristics of san juanico let's no forget the raw sewage on the beach in front of town.


The best surf days end with diarrhea or inner ear infection!

pacificobob - 3-14-2021 at 09:36 AM

I'm no soil engineer, but the soils in the area seen to be super porous. it would require a state of the art treatment plant to fix that.

Zola - 3-15-2021 at 12:12 AM

I would greatly appreciate further comments on these matters.

First, the raw sewage on the beach? Which beaches and what is the principal cause? Second point?, and lack of a septic system for the numerous campers there?

Second, has the airport construction really caused the increased dust storms? If so, do the airport developers have a specific plan to address this matter promptly and efficiently? How bad is the dust for the health of those in town?

Please do not take down this thread. It matters to those of us who live in the area....

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tecatero - 3-15-2021 at 05:33 AM

Wow.... I feel very sorry for the people in town. How is this going to be fixed? You can not water down the area that has been stripped of all the vegetation , outside of ocean water the town has very little water. Poor ,poor,poor, inconsiderate planning.

David K - 3-15-2021 at 06:16 AM

Progress... it isn't easy or desired by everyone.
There was an airport at San Juanico. It was closed and that forced pilots to land at Cadeje, but that one was not always open. The military usually places tires across the runway to temporarily close it or they dig ditches across it to permanently close it.
With an open airport, medical aid can arrive quicker and more business can come to the town.

pacificobob - 3-15-2021 at 08:03 AM

the runway dust is easily mitigated. in Alaska some sort of calcium mixture in put on dirt roads, runways and ramps. it binds the surface soil...problem solved. [environmentally friendly]
the sewage? way more complex. the town is on a sand bluff above the beach..
and as any plumber knows, sheet runs downhill. one solution would be to build a treatment plant inland and pump the sewage up to it. $$$
for those who are unfamiliar with that beach....trust me ,it's foul.
i shudder to think of the bacterial content of the water....and at one of bajas nicest beaches/surf break.

David K - 3-15-2021 at 08:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
the runway dust is easily mitigated. in Alaska some sort of calcium mixture in put on dirt roads, runways and ramps. it binds the surface soil...problem solved. [environmentally friendly]
the sewage? way more complex. the town is on a sand bluff above the beach..
and as any plumber knows, sheet runs downhill. one solution would be to build a treatment plant inland and pump the sewage up to it. $$$
for those who are unfamiliar with that beach....trust me ,it's foul.
i shudder to think of the bacterial content of the water....and at one of bajas nicest beaches/surf break.


Good ideas!

In 2017:






mtgoat666 - 3-15-2021 at 08:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
the runway dust is easily mitigated. in Alaska some sort of calcium mixture in put on dirt roads, runways and ramps. it binds the surface soil...problem solved. [environmentally friendly]
the sewage? way more complex. the town is on a sand bluff above the beach..
and as any plumber knows, sheet runs downhill. one solution would be to build a treatment plant inland and pump the sewage up to it. $$$
for those who are unfamiliar with that beach....trust me ,it's foul.
i shudder to think of the bacterial content of the water....and at one of bajas nicest beaches/surf break.


The surfers loved their point breaks to death. Crowds. Contaminated water.

Zola - 3-15-2021 at 10:53 PM

Thank you for the comments and information!

aburruss - 6-17-2021 at 12:21 PM

Sorry I missed this discussion earlier. I'd be interested in seeing what's been progressing here.
Quote: Originally posted by tecatero  
Wow.... I feel very sorry for the people in town. How is this going to be fixed? You can not water down the area that has been stripped of all the vegetation , outside of ocean water the town has very little water. Poor ,poor,poor, inconsiderate planning.


tecatero, do you know what planning has been done in regards to water for the construction area? Have there been problems with dust? Is there anything other than an assumption that there's been poor planning.
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  

So the they dreamed up a new ruining that would appeal to the citizens of orange county


mtgoat666, looking at the website that's promoting the airport, it seems like they are gearing this towards people who have an interest in the community, not just ANY random OC people that want to fly in for a weekend.

From their website:

All members must show that they have an interest in the sustainable future of the community of San Juanico by participating in community development infrastructure and services:


It also looks like a limited number of people can actually use the airport:





I understand that there's probably a lot of people that want things to remain "the way they've been", and there's a lot of people that want to keep the "bad roads/good people" for their own neighborhood. I feel like people just need something to complain about.

However, from what I see about this project, it SEEMS like it's going to be a benefit for those in the community.

I'm thinking this will bring a lot of jobs, opportunity and money for the residents of this small town. Things don't stay the same forever. Change isn't necessarily bad.

But if there *IS* something bad going on, a negative impact to the community, etc... why not bring it up (WITH details, suggestions, proposals, etc), and see if there can't be a change brought about? I'm sure Mr. Borrelli doesn't want the community to hate him. (As a businessman, he depends on the community and reputation for his business (hotel, airport, etc).. if everyone is peeed, he'll get no business)

Unless the complaint just an emotional "I don't wan't an airport" complaint... then you're just being resistant to change.

Ateo - 6-17-2021 at 08:56 PM

They should build it a tad further outside of town. In 20 years that airport will be surrounded by homes.

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2021 at 09:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by aburruss  
Sorry I missed this discussion earlier. I'd be interested in seeing what's been progressing here.


Quote: Originally posted by tecatero  
Wow.... I feel very sorry for the people in town. How is this going to be fixed? You can not water down the area that has been stripped of all the vegetation , outside of ocean water the town has very little water. Poor ,poor,poor, inconsiderate planning.


tecatero, do you know what planning has been done in regards to water for the construction area? Have there been problems with dust? Is there anything other than an assumption that there's been poor planning.
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  

So the they dreamed up a new ruining that would appeal to the citizens of orange county


mtgoat666, looking at the website that's promoting the airport, it seems like they are gearing this towards people who have an interest in the community, not just ANY random OC people that want to fly in for a weekend.

From their website:

All members must show that they have an interest in the sustainable future of the community of San Juanico by participating in community development infrastructure and services:

  • Buying property or owning, operating, or buying a business.
  • Building a hangar.
  • Contributing to the medical clinic via in-kind or ad hoc support or
    medical/health services or training.
  • Sustainable training methods for the local fishing cooperative.
  • Assisting in local education or creating vocational training for local youth (e.g. plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc.)"



It also looks like a limited number of people can actually use the airport:



  • A Member of the SB Airport
  • A politician or CFE representative collaborating with the local council or ejido.
  • An educator working with local schools.
  • A NGO representative or associated volunteer as part of a ‘giving back’ or
    humanitarian effort.
  • A doctor or other medical service professional with a special permit.
  • Health emergencies.




Sort of sounds elitist to build an airport just for a private club, only allowing wealthy outsiders that can afford to donate time and expenses to particular activities. I hope that the private airport club does not expect “free” government services like police/military protection of the expensive private aircraft of gringo club members ;D;D

aburruss - 6-17-2021 at 10:21 PM

Sounds sort of elitist to build a house in San Juanico, only allowing their friends in for the BBQ they want to have. I hope that the guy building his house doesn't expect any free government services to protect his home.

OR.. how elitist to go eat at a restaurant in San Juanico??!? You're expecting that someone else maintain the dirt road you use to get there! ALSO, only the wealthy people can afford to eat out, rather than cooking rice and beans at home.

I'd argue that someone building a house, only allowing their friends in might even be MORE elitist than this endeavor, since there's no expectation of ANY contribution to the community for the guy building the house. At least the airport has SOME stipulations.

Where do you draw the line on what is elitist, and what is just someone living their life the way they want to? How in the world is it a bad thing that people can "afford to donate time and expenses to particular activity"??? That's crazy! Why is that looked at as elitist? If someone can't donate time and expenses, it doesn't mean that's a bad thing! People enjoy being hospitable, generous, and giving. Some can give a lot, some can give a little. It's all good!

I like look at this as a "glass half full" and hope that there is a benefit to the community, as it's presented... and then if/when it DOESN'T happen, then we nay-say and nitpick.

I prefer to be positive, look for the best in people, situations, and opportunities, and wait for people to succeed for fail... rather than just assuming that the people are going to be bad. When it's time to call them out, we ABSOLUTELY SHOULD do so.. but I think it's a horrible attitude to just expect everyone is going to fail from the get-go.

surfinggrandpa71 - 6-18-2021 at 04:19 AM

Let’s all remember this is a privately funded airport by Fred Boreli to cater to his people. He has zero airport building experience. The town is not against an airport. But to rip out a mile of vegetation and walk away while townspeople are covered in dirt while he sits in his La Jolla beach home, is an FU to San Juanico residents. People ask,,,,,, when is it getting paved or completed ??? No comment as dust consumes the town. WHAT IS THE PLAN ?? We heard of phase I , II, III. How about dust mitigation to start. The plan is a scam, this is a Bernie Madoff airport. Those whom invested are getting hustled by Borelii, like his hotel club, his Villa de punto dos blah blah. Lots of newbies here that don’t remember San Juanico had an airport in town years ago,and more recently Cadeje has served as a great runway. But Mr Boreli seems to think an airport , with an approach over homes and a school is a good idea. Had he gone another 2-4 miles away we probably won’t have a conversation.
As far as building a home is an elitist ??? Well, I’d imagine building a home in San Juanico provides way more jobs and income , and future maintenance income , to the town than any of the freeloading van life campers dodging fees with early AM escapes, stealing wifi and water.
Oh well,,,,,,,,, enough from this grumpasaurus

John Harper - 6-18-2021 at 06:11 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surfinggrandpa71  

As far as building a home is an elitist ??? Well, I’d imagine building a home in San Juanico provides way more jobs and income , and future maintenance income , to the town than any of the freeloading van life campers dodging fees with early AM escapes, stealing wifi and water.
Oh well,,,,,,,,, enough from this grumpasaurus


An excellent observation.

John

RFClark - 6-18-2021 at 08:25 AM

Bigger is not always better, but as long as there are more and more bucks chasing less and less space towns will continue to expand.

Below is a picture of the Los Angeles airport terminal when I was a child and my Father worked next door in what is now a parking lot. I don’t think expansion has improved LA or the airport!

That said, the population has increased past what local resources, including the old airport could support!

Will San Juanicto benefit? Only time will tell. In Mexico airport licenses are expensive past what most small towns can afford.

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