seven sisters

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

which of the coastal points are part of the 7 Sisters? Someone just posted a report somewhere - but his list has 8: Punta Canoas, Punta Blanco, Punta Cono, Punta Maria, Punta Lobos, Punta Piedra, Punta Rocosa, Punta Rosarito Please clarify for me

Quote: Originally posted by del mar

good 4x4 travelguide over at FB..https://www.facebook.com/SevenSisters.BajaMexico/ I think Ron over at TB put it together, anti-facebookers just move along

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by del mar   good 4x4 travelguide over at FB..https://www.facebook.com/SevenSisters.BajaMexico/ I think Ron over at TB put it together, anti-facebookers just move along that is the post I am referring to - with 8 (wrong) sisters. Not a good report anyway

I don’t think there is an “official” list — who would be the officiator? DK? OC surfers?
It’s general term for the more or less 7 right point breaks…. And I think of it as a region, not a set of points.

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

which of the coastal points are part of the 7 Sisters? Someone just posted a report somewhere - but his list has 8: Punta Canoas, Punta Blanco, Punta Cono, Punta Maria, Punta Lobos, Punta Piedra, Punta Rocosa, Punta Rosarito Please clarify for me

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

no Punta El Cardon in my database

That may be what some call Punta Diablo?

My maps of the region:

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by del mar   good 4x4 travelguide over at FB..https://www.facebook.com/SevenSisters.BajaMexico/ I think Ron over at TB put it together, anti-facebookers just move along that is the post I am referring to - with 8 (wrong) sisters. Not a good report anyway

If you had actually read the article, it clearly states that neither Canoas or Blanco are actually considered point breaks designated as any of the Seven Sisters, but were just stops along the way when the couple who shared their trip report were heading down towards the Seven Sisters.

Sorry you didn't like the report. You can join the long list of entitled surfers all sending me hate mail today for posting the article, as if the Seven Sisters area is somehow different from other remote areas of the peninsula and must not even be discussed.

"I FOUND IT AND NOBODY ELSE MUST KNOW ABOUT IT!!!"

If they ever find out via a simple Google search that some surfers have already posted all the GPS coordinates to the Sisters and the smaller break points in between, they'll probably have a seizure...

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo

If you had actually read the article, it clearly states that neither Canoas or Blanco are actually considered point breaks designated as any of the Seven Sisters, but were just stops along the way when the couple who shared their trip report were heading down towards the Seven Sisters. Sorry you didn't like the report. You can join the long list of entitled surfers all sending me hate mail today for posting the article, as if the Seven Sisters area is somehow different from other remote areas of the peninsula and must not even be discussed. "I FOUND IT AND NOBODY ELSE MUST KNOW ABOUT IT!!!" If they ever find out via a simple Google search that some surfers have already posted all the GPS coordinates to the Sisters and the smaller break points in between, they'll probably have a seizure...

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

no Punta El Cardon in my database

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by David K   Hi Ron, I agree with you about the silly notion that writing about a place somehow ruins it. I think we can agree that publicity increases use. Whether you consider that a positive thing is a personal call. I happen to dislike crowds, and would never discuss my favorite Baja places here.

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

from a nomad 15 year ago....... Back when Leo Hetzel was starting his "around the world" trip (which ended with him breaking his leg in Hawaii), he went down to baja becuase he heard about these points that would fire on a large WNW. After much trial and tribulation (this was before Mex 1), he finally got to where he thought these mystics points were, but it also coincided with an unusually long flat spell. Being a patient man, he holed up in a little rancho around where El Cardon is now, and he waited, and waited, and waited. While waiting, he noticed that the rancheros from the surrounding area would come by once a week and have a little rodeo. This rodeo would last all day, and after sundown, a party would rage untill dawn. After a few weeks or so, he figured out the rodeo's main attraction. Since the rancheros all had to work during the week, he was able to avail himself of the charms of Rosa, Lupita, Carmella, Xoctil, Angelica, Karina and Catalina. After a few weeks of this, he made the realization that they were all sisters!!! Well, Papa eventually got wind of what Leo was doing and told Leo to leave or else... Well, Leo never did get to surf the place, it never broke, but not wanting to disappoint Severson over at Surfer Magazine, he wrote this big article about how great the place was, and of course he named it the seven sisters!!!!!!

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by lencho   Quote: Originally posted by David K   Hi Ron, I agree with you about the silly notion that writing about a place somehow ruins it. I think we can agree that publicity increases use. Whether you consider that a positive thing is a personal call. I happen to dislike crowds, and would never discuss my favorite Baja places here. Naturally, it increases awareness... but unless you want to drive the distance, have a 4WD vehicle, and are not afraid, you won't go to much of it. The Mexican government built an excellent dirt highway from Santa Rosalillita north to Punta Cono. There, is where you need to point fingers as to what should be blamed for more traffic. The coast north of Cono to Canoas is 4WD territory with Faro San José the only place accessed by a 2WD road (from near Cataviña) along that stretch. I drove the coast road in 2007 and again in 2017, no change.

Quote: Originally posted by David Nuevo

Quote: Originally posted by David K   Quote: Originally posted by lencho   Quote: Originally posted by David K   Hi Ron, I agree with you about the silly notion that writing about a place somehow ruins it. I think we can agree that publicity increases use. Whether you consider that a positive thing is a personal call. I happen to dislike crowds, and would never discuss my favorite Baja places here. Naturally, it increases awareness... but unless you want to drive the distance, have a 4WD vehicle, and are not afraid, you won't go to much of it. The Mexican government built an excellent dirt highway from Santa Rosalillita north to Punta Cono. There, is where you need to point fingers as to what should be blamed for more traffic. The coast north of Cono to Canoas is 4WD territory with Faro San José the only place accessed by a 2WD road (from near Cataviña) along that stretch. I drove the coast road in 2007 and again in 2017, no change. You are seriously underestimating the number and adventurous spirit of 4x4-equipped California surfers.

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

I've been traveling the 7 sisters route since 1989 and it wasn't until Nov. 2018 did I see a surfer.

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

I've been traveling the 7 sisters route since 1989 and it wasn't until Nov. 2018 did I see a surfer.

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

Progress and development is coming to all areas of Earth unless they're protected - support Wildcoast!

Quote: Originally posted by David Nuevo

Quote: Originally posted by David K   Naturally, it increases awareness... but unless you want to drive the distance, have a 4WD vehicle, and are not afraid, you won't go to much of it... You are seriously underestimating the number and adventurous spirit of 4x4-equipped California surfers.

Well said BajaGringo!

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by David Nuevo   Quote: Originally posted by David K   Quote: Originally posted by lencho   Quote: Originally posted by David K   Hi Ron, I agree with you about the silly notion that writing about a place somehow ruins it. I think we can agree that publicity increases use. Whether you consider that a positive thing is a personal call. I happen to dislike crowds, and would never discuss my favorite Baja places here. Naturally, it increases awareness... but unless you want to drive the distance, have a 4WD vehicle, and are not afraid, you won't go to much of it. The Mexican government built an excellent dirt highway from Santa Rosalillita north to Punta Cono. There, is where you need to point fingers as to what should be blamed for more traffic. The coast north of Cono to Canoas is 4WD territory with Faro San José the only place accessed by a 2WD road (from near Cataviña) along that stretch. I drove the coast road in 2007 and again in 2017, no change. You are seriously underestimating the number and adventurous spirit of 4x4-equipped California surfers. The only thing that will deter the OC groms and middle aged surfers from ruining remote baja is more crime and murder to scare them away…

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo

it would even make DavidK jealous when seeing their level of sophistication. I know because one of the young surfers who spoke a little Spanish showed the land owners son his phone and they had every single road around and through his ranch completely mapped when Google Maps probably only shows less than 20% of them. He told him he downloaded the map off a Surfing forum and broke the image up into smaller graphics, labeling the key GPS points to be able to use them like paper maps when outside of the cell data service area.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo   it would even make DavidK jealous when seeing their level of sophistication. I know because one of the young surfers who spoke a little Spanish showed the land owners son his phone and they had every single road around and through his ranch completely mapped when Google Maps probably only shows less than 20% of them. He told him he downloaded the map off a Surfing forum and broke the image up into smaller graphics, labeling the key GPS points to be able to use them like paper maps when outside of the cell data service area. If that is what they are doing they aren't tech savvy at all. You don't need cell service to run a real-time GPS app overlayed on satellite imagery.

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly

Quote: Originally posted by JZ   Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo   it would even make DavidK jealous when seeing their level of sophistication. I know because one of the young surfers who spoke a little Spanish showed the land owners son his phone and they had every single road around and through his ranch completely mapped when Google Maps probably only shows less than 20% of them. He told him he downloaded the map off a Surfing forum and broke the image up into smaller graphics, labeling the key GPS points to be able to use them like paper maps when outside of the cell data service area. If that is what they are doing they aren't tech savvy at all. You don't need cell service to run a real-time GPS app overlayed on satellite imagery. Doesn't matter if they are doing it real time or in their parents basement, point is they are doing it and sharing all over and being dicks to boot. New locked gates north and south in 3...2...1...

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo

Quote: Originally posted by TMW   I've been traveling the 7 sisters route since 1989 and it wasn't until Nov. 2018 did I see a surfer. I head down to the area from time to time with a close friend who owns a little over 5,000 acres in the Seven Sisters region including over 2 km of coastline. We do see off-roaders / dirt bikes from time to time with a much higher number of surfers in the winter months. The land owner has no development plans for the near future but has been considering fencing off the property with locked gates, leaving behind an armed caretaker to deal with the increasing number of thefts from the property in addition to more and more trash being dumped alongside his roads. His son and son-law camped there for two weeks this winter and caught one group of surfers trying to cart off the galvanized roofing from an equipment shed on the property they had just tore off and which they admitted to taking to use as a means of creating a refuge against the cold winds down on the beach blowing at the time. On a different day they caught a different group of surfers dumping all their trash as they left the area, believing they were doing good by not just leaving it behind on the beach. He tells me he really hasn't had much trouble at all with the off-road groups coming through over the years; except for maybe one or two and it was still relatively minor stuff. The growing problematic demographic seems to be young surfers and they may be the ones to blame if you lose access. Quote: Originally posted by Ateo   Progress and development is coming to all areas of Earth unless they're protected - support Wildcoast! I like Wildcoast too but most of their work down here seems to focus on the offshore islands farther north including one project we gave them access to via our concession out on San Martin Island. I have seen no evidence of any serious investment from Wildcoast anywhere along the coastline from Punta Baja south to Guerrero Negro. Quote: Originally posted by David Nuevo   Quote: Originally posted by David K   Naturally, it increases awareness... but unless you want to drive the distance, have a 4WD vehicle, and are not afraid, you won't go to much of it... You are seriously underestimating the number and adventurous spirit of 4x4-equipped California surfers. While 4X4 equipped surfers may indeed have adventurous spirits, the real problem along Seven Sisters seems to be more focused among the younger (under age 30) crowd that leaves the roads/trails and drive all over the local habitat while making no effort to relieve themselves removed from other campers and don't even make much of an effort to cover up their crap piles, leaving all their garbage behind when they go. At least that is the way it has been portrayed to me via multiple offline discussions with dozens of seasoned SSS veterans (Seven Sisters Surfer). That younger crowd simply does not fit into Talk Baja's demographics and likely not Baja Nomad's either. That age group lives on their phones when not on the water and they have that region with all the GPS break points along with roads leading in and out mapped to the nth degree - it would even make DavidK jealous when seeing their level of sophistication. I know because one of the young surfers who spoke a little Spanish showed the land owners son his phone and they had every single road around and through his ranch completely mapped when Google Maps probably only shows less than 20% of them. He told him he downloaded the map off a Surfing forum and broke the image up into smaller graphics, labeling the key GPS points to be able to use them like paper maps when outside of the cell data service area. It's obvious that somebody is investing a lot of time on Google Earth to map out all the ways in and out down in that region of Baja. And sharing them. If the more seasoned, veteran surfers today really want to help improve the conditions there, focus your energy on exposing those who are truly ruining it by sharing photos / videos of the trash they leave and the eco-damage they are causing. And then let Social Media do its job to widely circulate that to either educate them or at least shame them into more respectful behavior. Those of us who share a story and a couple of photos on Nomad or Talk Baja about Seven Sisters with no GPS coordinates, maps or identifying landmarks are not your problem. Focus your energy where it will truly make a difference and I will help you spread the word. Peace... [Edited on 6-20-2021 by BajaGringo]

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

If that is what they are doing they aren't tech savvy at all. You don't need cell service to run a real-time GPS app overlayed on satellite imagery.

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

sounds all very human to me. Exposing the bad guys on social media? They so don't give a fug

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc   sounds all very human to me. Exposing the bad guys on social media? They so don't give a fug That 18-30 year old demographic does...

WOW you sure stirred up a hornet's nest over there Ron!...you know how we roll here, danged whippersnappers!

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo

Quote: Originally posted by JZ   If that is what they are doing they aren't tech savvy at all. You don't need cell service to run a real-time GPS app overlayed on satellite imagery. I was speaking to the maps they downloaded, not the surfers personal tech abilities. Those maps not only had all the roads marked but also included comments regarding terrain, change in altitude, fish camps, soft silt, gates, etc. Like I said, somebody is investing a lot of time and effort into this. I think this particular set of knuckleheads are like many their age who believe their phones are useless once they lose data service and it was easier to just fall back on screengrab maps they printed off their computers back home.

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

people like shorty mcjizzy have many hundreds of hours sunk into collecting, making, processing GPS tracks. not all surfers want to sink time into geeking out for 7 sisters maps when they can download someones plan view map in just a few minutes.

You sound jealous.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   people like shorty mcjizzy have many hundreds of hours sunk into collecting, making, processing GPS tracks. not all surfers want to sink time into geeking out for 7 sisters maps when they can download someones plan view map in just a few minutes. You sound jealous.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   people like shorty mcjizzy have many hundreds of hours sunk into collecting, making, processing GPS tracks. not all surfers want to sink time into geeking out for 7 sisters maps when they can download someones plan view map in just a few minutes. You sound jealous.

Sometimes I pine for the good old days of a long recession, crappy stock market and really wet, wet winters!

A really wet, wet winter in Northern Baja would slow those young whipper snappers down. Most have probably never been real stuck in their vehicles before and none of them know the joy of the wet, slick silt stuck to everything feeling in the middle of acres of the slime.

I used to take my kids down there and surf and would tell them here one year we waited 2 days to get unstuck and one year we left the vehicle in the crap for a week while we camped and waited out the storm and the locals cold get us out.

The 72-73 El Niño taught me four wheel drive is not capable of what I thought it was and the 82-83 El Niño reminded me again. Now I am retired from surfing but still love camping there. You just need to go in the off season of the surfers, summer. Not many people then.

I visited friends there this past M arch who are the first stop for the new breed of Sprinter surfers coming in from the south. Yes, it was he who threw punches and it influenced no-one. They counted 45 vehicles one week this past winter. The 3 Stooges who own the land love it of course, even built a taco stand and do laundry for the wanna be dirtbags.

Be grateful you got it the way it was not the way it is. And if you really want to surf uncrowded waves, get a boat and go find them, they are out there. Might think twice about sharing those lat-longs though, just saying.

Quote: Originally posted by Don Jorge

The 72-73 El Niño taught me four wheel drive is not capable of what I thought it was and the 82-83 El Niño reminded me again.

I was tempted to comment
but, nahh

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Harald, if I'm not mistaken that is in an amazing canyon just outside of Death Valley park. Pananmint canyon maybe? Not sure if that is the correct name or not?

yup, Surprise Canyon, when it was still open to the public. Some buildings still intact in Panamint City. Spent many nights there.
Insane "drive" - mostly winching.
Even going down

took my Mercedes convertible there as well
used the canyon for years to train people that don't want to be mentioned
at night too
no lights

so, yes - 4x4's are pretty capable
but like a piano, you need to learn a bit

There's a fine line between fun and work!

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

WOW you sure stirred up a hornet's nest over there Ron!...you know how we roll here, danged whippersnappers!

there is another one
it is not shut down because nobody knows its there
look for it - San Lucas Canyon
stunning!
needs a little rock stacking

no need for hand drawn tracks on Google Earth for the 7 Sisters - it is all on E32
and on Gaia you have more sat images and maps that you have time to review

by now everything is right in your pocket

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

no need for hand drawn tracks on Google Earth for the 7 Sisters - it is all on E32 and on Gaia you have more sat images and maps that you have time to review by now everything is right in your pocket

Hopefully the new kids on the block are creating memories too.

Camped there many times when the kids were teenagers. They are out on their own now, have been for quite some time. This thread brought back some memories we created there in that place.



As we traveled there on school breaks we did not always catch waves, but we always caught the magic of family together enjoying a special place.

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

no need for hand drawn tracks on Google Earth for the 7 Sisters - it is all on E32 and on Gaia you have more sat images and maps that you have time to review by now everything is right in your pocket

Quote: Originally posted by David K

The main thing that causes people to get stuck in a 4x4 is that they did not LOWER the tire pressure. That one simple thing does more than having four-wheel-drive to get you unstuck or through and area without getting stuck. 10 psi is no joke, but I like to try 15 psi first (and that has always worked in my newest Tacoma with the tire I use).