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Doug ! Please stop the covid-19 topic

ligui - 8-8-2021 at 06:41 AM

This topic has gone on way to far. It's one attack after another. Let's get back to talking about Baja and having something we all agree on.

We Love Baja !

BajaBlanca - 8-8-2021 at 07:25 AM

boy, how can a thread about Covid numbers in Baja can get so off topic?

del mar - 8-8-2021 at 08:44 AM

its not rocket science

surfhat - 8-8-2021 at 08:53 AM

Robert Mitchum the actor, once said "I never learn anything from hearing myself talk".

Wisdom comes in all forms, even throughout the ages, which indicates we humans could ALL use some perspective that is lacking recently, or maybe it has always been so, and it is the actors recently who have taken advantage of a soulless leader who has fractured our unique attempt at a truly representative form of democracy.

Have at it, as I am sure some will be compelled to do. The best result for this feeble attempt would be complete silence and the end of more than just this thread on certain topics that never go anywhere.

Why some go here to create division is beyond me. Don't we all get enough of that every day elsewhere? Just asking.

Peace and love to all Baja lovers. Fish tacos forever.

David K - 8-8-2021 at 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surfhat  


Peace and love to all Baja lovers. Fish tacos forever.



Amen!

bajatrailrider - 8-8-2021 at 08:58 AM

Haha block posts about covid :bounce:. Then block all the other posts too as everyone has . Nomad nut cases

JZ - 8-8-2021 at 09:03 AM

Ppl complain about a lack of Baja posts, yet they never make a post or thread about Baja. Weird.

Lee - 8-8-2021 at 10:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
This topic has gone on way to far. It's one attack after another. Let's get back to talking about Baja and having something we all agree on.

We Love Baja !


The topic has a way of coming back around. IMO, politicization of the pandemic started in 2019 and the flame has been fanned by a few here. JZ, for example, believes in beating the subject like a dead horse.

Provocative blanket statements (covid is over, burn your masks) and plain nonsense draws ppl into the fray. JZ is a troll. There are those looking for entertainment and debate. Have at it.

JZ is outrageous. I like that.

norte - 8-8-2021 at 11:43 AM

Just glanced through the posts on that topic...some of the most vocal here are the worst offenders there. No wonder people have been driven away.

4x4abc - 8-8-2021 at 12:07 PM

Doug, please keep the sandbox alive and open.
The swing and the stairs are a bit much for many.

motoged - 8-8-2021 at 12:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
This topic has gone on way to far. It's one attack after another. Let's get back to talking about Baja and having something we all agree on.

We Love Baja !


The topic has a way of coming back around. IMO, politicization of the pandemic started in 2019 and the flame has been fanned by a few here. JZ, for example, believes in beating the subject like a dead horse.

Provocative blanket statements (covid is over, burn your masks) and plain nonsense draws ppl into the fray. JZ is a troll. There are those looking for entertainment and debate. Have at it.

JZ is outrageous. I like that.


BN is a microcosmic representation of the opinions of mostly US residents. It is clear that there seems to be "two perspectives" in discussions about Covid and all involved with that... science, government's role, health care, personal relationships, economy....

Not much middle ground when extremists are at the podium.

Good luck with that:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/08/opinions/culture-war-thats-killing-us-opinion-column-galant/index.html

AKgringo - 8-8-2021 at 12:42 PM

Just a reminder, the button at the bottom right side of the column says "post reply", not "must reply"!

Or in other words, it should be; Post Reply?, not Post Reply!


[Edited on 8-9-2021 by AKgringo]

bajatrailrider - 8-8-2021 at 04:43 PM

Best advice AK

Barry A. - 8-8-2021 at 10:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
its not rocket science


Now THERE is a set of keys that I have never pushed------I have no idea what they do, and have been afraid to try them. LOL

pauldavidmena - 8-10-2021 at 07:38 AM

I'm a bit ambivalent about shutting down an active thread, even if it frequently steers off course. People do need to vent about the politicization of the pandemic as well as how it's frustrated our efforts to return to normal. At 30 pages long, there are probably 2 or 3 pages that include actual numbers, the rest of it letting off steam.

ligui - 8-10-2021 at 07:28 PM

Also fake information that the weak fall for. :?:

del mar - 8-10-2021 at 08:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
Also fake information that the weak fall for. :?:


yeah im sure thats it:rolleyes:

AKgringo - 8-10-2021 at 10:50 PM

I think we can all agree that a government that can control what the broadcast and print media can say, is dead wrong.

It is just as wrong if the mainstream, and social media get to influence who governs!

[Edited on 8-11-2021 by AKgringo]

motoged - 8-11-2021 at 11:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I think we can all agree that a government that can control what the broadcast and print media can say, is dead wrong.

It is just as wrong if the mainstream, and social media get to influence who governs!

[Edited on 8-11-2021 by AKgringo]


So.... who should influence who governs? "The people" seem somewhat limited with new voting laws being introduced.

What information sources do you trust ?



[Edited on 8-11-2021 by motoged]

Skipjack Joe - 8-11-2021 at 01:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  


What information sources do you trust ?



Nobody. I read opposing news sources and try to figure out the truth based upon the bias each one has. In one sitting I read CNN, Fox, BBC World News, and RT. I should be reading the Chinese paper but only do so on occasion. That will change as the aggression builds toward that country and the propaganda machine grows. I don't read the NY Times or the Wash Post because their slant is similar to CNN so what's the point.

pauldavidmena - 8-11-2021 at 02:57 PM

I read AP, UPI and Reuters feeds, as they are often the raw material consumed by the news outlets, who then apply the necessary spin. In addition to the BBC, I have found Al Jazeera to be more neutral than, say, the NY Times or Fox News.

SFandH - 8-11-2021 at 03:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
I read AP, UPI and Reuters feeds, as they are often the raw material consumed by the news outlets, who then apply the necessary spin. In addition to the BBC, I have found Al Jazeera to be more neutral than, say, the NY Times or Fox News.


I signed up for an Associated Press daily email that contains the morning headlines and links to the articles. Usually, about 10 different articles on various topics written by AP reporters covering the day's news. No opinion pieces.

Lee - 8-11-2021 at 03:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
I read AP, UPI and Reuters feeds, as they are often the raw material consumed by the news outlets, who then apply the necessary spin. In addition to the BBC, I have found Al Jazeera to be more neutral than, say, the NY Times or Fox News.


Daily Beast, Brietbart, Politico, HuffPo, WashPo, CNN, BBC, MSNBC, SF Chron, PBS, NPR, The Guardian UK and US version, Jerusalem Post, WSJ, The Atlantic, New Yorker, NatRev. Watch Fox News, all the networks, do NOT watch lib or conservative nut job talking heads.

Read between the lines, don't believe anything read unless it's verified.

JZ - 8-11-2021 at 06:02 PM

Watch this and you will never trust the MSM again. If you can't trust 60 Minutes who the hell can you trust?

The sad part is millions will watch it and not have a clue they are spinning a false narrative for political gain.


https://youtu.be/zQDAoa748Jg





[Edited on 8-12-2021 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 8-11-2021 at 06:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Watch this and you will never trust the MSM again. If you can't trust 60 Minutes who the hell can you trust?

The sad part is millions will watch it and not have a clue they are spinning a false narrative for political gain.


https://youtu.be/zQDAoa748Jg





[Edited on 8-12-2021 by JZ]


No one gives 100,000 to a politician w/o expecting to get something in return.
If Desantis was so saintly he would give back all donations ever received

Btw, the bribery allegation was minor part of a story that was otherwise true on all points.
Desantis never did prove why anyone would give him 100,000 w/o strings attached.

[Edited on 8-12-2021 by mtgoat666]

RFClark - 8-11-2021 at 08:55 PM

The problem of trust starts at the top!

The President swears to uphold the Constitution in one breath and then says that he’s going to violate it in the next breath because he thinks that he knows better what to do! How do you trust that guy or anyone who works for him? We either are a country of laws or it’s a cult of personality just like any other low rent 3rd world country!

So do I “trust” those in charge? No because of their own words and actions, not because of any “news source”!

Tioloco - 8-11-2021 at 09:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I think we can all agree that a government that can control what the broadcast and print media can say, is dead wrong.

It is just as wrong if the mainstream, and social media get to influence who governs!

[Edited on 8-11-2021 by AKgringo]


So.... who should influence who governs? "The people" seem somewhat limited with new voting laws being introduced.

What information sources do you trust ?



[Edited on 8-11-2021 by motoged]


What about photo ID requirements is “limiting”?
That is the first step to eliminating fraud.
And as a reminder, the poorest members of the community in the USA have photo ID to collect their benefits already.

Lee - 8-12-2021 at 06:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
We either are a country of laws or it’s a cult of personality just like any other low rent 3rd world country!


US is a country of cult personality. Who was in charge 1/17 - 1/20?

Not a serious question. Guy killed his kids and is inspired by Qanon. He's a conservative and republican. What don't you get?

RFClark - 8-12-2021 at 07:09 AM

Lee,

Who’s in charge today?

JDCanuck - 8-12-2021 at 08:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Watch this and you will never trust the MSM again. If you can't trust 60 Minutes who the hell can you trust?

The sad part is millions will watch it and not have a clue they are spinning a false narrative for political gain.





https://youtu.be/zQDAoa748Jg


[Edited on 8-12-2021 by JZ]



Thanks Jz; A very enlightening post regarding the political spin the media is putting on events for the last several years. I too have watched the full tapes of interviews and noted how various stations edit and alter the meaning of what people actually say, then feed their spin out to the people they wish to turn to their side. Why don't the social media "misinformation police" find this offensive? Because it fits their narrative as well.

Theres a simple quote that might help here "follow the money" and investigate who puts out the most money to have their perspective fed to the masses and perhaps where all that money comes from in the first place.

[Edited on 8-12-2021 by JDCanuck]

[Edited on 8-12-2021 by BajaNomad]

JDCanuck - 8-12-2021 at 09:08 AM

Here are a couple I find are often repeated over and over on social media:
Al Jazeera: Owned and controlled by the Emir of Qatar
RT: owned and controlled by the Kremlin, others in Russia being closed down or reporters killed
CNN: I think it goes without explaining

RFClark - 8-12-2021 at 09:15 AM

JD,

Is t your theory that the “News Outlets” you listed don’t have their own agenda that they are pushing?

Of the 3 Al Jazeera is the least agenda driven. RTI English is nothing at all like RTI Russian! Imagine that!

JDCanuck - 8-12-2021 at 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
JD,

Is t your theory that the “News Outlets” you listed don’t have their own agenda that they are pushing?

Of the 3 Al Jazeera is the least agenda driven. RTI English is nothing at all like RTI Russian! Imagine that!


Just the opposite RFC; These are the three outlets whose articles I found most often circulated on social media, while reports from the opposite side of the political spectrum were flagged or shut down altogether by the censors recently put in place. I no longer get any info to direct my actions and decisions from any of those sources including social media sites. Fortunately, the majority of the people I speak to in person are also learning to dig out their own "facts" from reliable sources

Who said "You can fool some of the people.......

[Edited on 8-12-2021 by JDCanuck]

SFandH - 8-12-2021 at 10:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  


Of the 3 Al Jazeera is the least agenda driven. RTI English is nothing at all like RTI Russian! Imagine that!


Just the opposite RFC; These are the three outlets whose articles I found most often circulated on social media,


What you see on social media, like Facebook, is largely determined by what you click on, the "likes" you give, and the groups you join. Your browsing history also comes into play. Articles from Al Jazeera and RT are never presented on my newsfeeds.

[Edited on 8-12-2021 by SFandH]

JDCanuck - 8-12-2021 at 10:22 AM

SFand H: That likely would not apply to me as i am not registered on any social media sites other than this one. Took myself off Facebook as a couple posts i made in defense of a ...dare i say it...a Republican... were immediately deleted. I had admired the way he attempted to talk down the rioters who were breaking into the chamber he was in.

JDCanuck - 8-28-2021 at 04:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
Quote: Originally posted by motoged  


What information sources do you trust ?



Nobody. I read opposing news sources and try to figure out the truth based upon the bias each one has. In one sitting I read CNN, Fox, BBC World News, and RT. I should be reading the Chinese paper but only do so on occasion. That will change as the aggression builds toward that country and the propaganda machine grows. I don't read the NY Times or the Wash Post because their slant is similar to CNN so what's the point.


Now that sounds totally sensible to me. That and raw data as the media seems to have increasingly polarized twists they put on it. We just want to know when it's safest to travel someplace, not who we should or shouldn't vote for.