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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That the stuff is refined in Texas doesn't necessarily mean it comes with ethanol. |
nothing in my post
implied that it did 
Bob Durrell
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Cypress
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Why would PEMEX add ethanol to it's gasoline? As a matter of fact why would anybody add ethanol to their gasoline? Corn is for eating and alcohol is
for drinking.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Why would PEMEX add ethanol to it's gasoline? As a matter of fact why would anybody add ethanol to their gasoline? Corn is for eating and alcohol is
for drinking. |
Only in the U.S.: "Stupid is as stupid does"*
(* F. Gump) 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Why would PEMEX add ethanol to it's gasoline? As a matter of fact why would anybody add ethanol to their gasoline? Corn is for eating and alcohol is
for drinking. |
MTBE is a fuel additive that while it provided cleaner exhaust, was deemed to have too many health risks. It was found that ethanol performed nearly
the same task and had no health risks. That said, although there are still maybe 2000 stations nationwide that pump ethanol free gas, many or most are
"unbranded". And in states such as California, TX and NY, you will find no ethanol free stations. In California, in particular, if you want to blame
someone, go to the California Air resources Board.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2006/tc200...
And, Doug, I accept your superior knowledge about additives. Just that since I'm quite cynical about Big Oil, I preferred my version!
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Bajahowodd, Thanks for the reply. If ethanol is such a great fuel why does the govt. subsidize it? It ought to be able to hold it's own in the "free
market". But is there any such thing as the "free market" in these times?
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Bajahowodd, Thanks for the reply. If ethanol is such a great fuel why does the govt. subsidize it? It ought to be able to hold it's own in the "free
market". But is there any such thing as the "free market" in these times? |
Good point. My take on it is that farm state legislators are mostly to blame. Call it "pork". For that matter, all kinds of crops get federal
subsidies. Seems to me that something is upside down about free markets.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanza bucko
The "environmental threat" that the EPA, policoholes and yer basic urban libhole blatt about is BS....we now have long range offset drilling that
would allow such things as drilling off Santa Barbara without a platform out there and etc. We have massive oil reserves inside the good ole
USA....not to mention the oil shale deposits which pretty much comprise both of the Dakotas. We can be energy independent with such resources...and
also with nuclear power if we will stop being PC, "nice" and stupid....if we stop listening to scam and scare artists like those who populate most of
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Why drill for more? Almost the entire oil output of Iraq has come to the USA since the day troops took Basra.
Cost? Nothing (gotta pay for the war:lol
Source: impartial BBC, not CNN.
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define cost=nothing. are we not paying for their oil at market prices, on top of the costs to "free" I-Yak?
winter blends are known to be widely variable versus summer blends. do you think the oil co's didn't notice?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Bajahowodd, Thanks for the reply. If ethanol is such a great fuel why does the govt. subsidize it? It ought to be able to hold it's own in the "free
market". But is there any such thing as the "free market" in these times? |
I can't think of one energy
source that's not subsidized by the government in some way. Well, maybe charcoal.
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Cypress
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monoloco, One hand subsidizes, the other hand taxes. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja&Back
Doug: There is a refinery in La Paz. It's not just a depot. I have asked Pemex employees. We see the cracking towers every time we drive to Tecolote
Beach. The tanker ships bring crude from the mainland to refine there for Baja. |
Barry - hope you're doing
well sir.
Must've been a miscommunication, or someone playing games with you on this one. There's no gasoline being refined (and likely nothing else) in
Pichilingue/La Paz. It's a storage terminal.
Pemex has six refineries in Mexico - and owns 50% of the Deer Park Refinery in Texas. Used to have a comparatively very small seventh refinery in
Reynosa, but I'm not sure what the status of that facility is today. They're looking to build another refinery somewhere (with similar production as
the current 6) in the next year or two. The last two refineries were opened in 1979.
At least 95% (if not 100%) of the crude oil in Mexico is in the Gulf Coast - or central mainland. There are pipelines that bring it
(crude/product/other) to Salina Cruz (Oaxaca) - where it would be refined, not placed on a ship to be refined elsewhere after passing through Salina
Cruz. Most, if not all, of the production in Salina Cruz is something other than gasoline. Most (if not all) gasoline on the west coast is imported.
Salina Cruz is the only Pemex refinery on the west coast. Much of Pemex's tanker fleet (of 20 - both leased and owned) appears to operate along the
west coast. For the Baja peninsula, product comes is delivered at Rosarito and La Paz. The Rosarito facilty has a pipeline to Mexicali (10") and
Ensenada (8").
btw... Crude oil, with very little exception (.005%-.01%) is transported via pipeline in Mexico.
For reference:
http://www.ref.pemex.com/index.cfm?action=content§io...
http://www.pemex.com/files/content/6_MLab_2009.pdf
http://eleconomista.com.mx/corporativos/2010/05/26/pemex-gas...
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Mexico/Full.html
http://countrystudies.us/mexico/78.htm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042636920080730
http://www.sciencephoto.com/images/download_lo_res.html?id=8...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That said, I've always gotten a chuckle when watching TV commercials where the various brands claim special additives to their gas, when virtually all
the stations in my area have their gas delivered in unbranded trucks that fill from a central terminal. In other words, it's all the same.
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The additives are added depending on where the delivery goes. Consumer Reports did a piece on this some time ago. They also suggested using a tank of
brand name gas (with additives) every 3 or 4 or so tank fulls to keep the engine clean. Ethanol replaced MTMB or what ever it was to reduce
emissions.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Ethanol replaced MTMB or what ever it was to reduce emissions. |
While MTBE was found to have many
advantages when used as the fuel oxygenate - it also ended up causing a lot of environmental issues, especially in the groundwater. That's why Ethanol
has ended up replacing MTBE. Mexico is now switching from MTBE to Ethanol (produced domestically) in the gasoline for Mexico City, Guadalajara and
Monterrey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_tert-butyl_ether
http://www.petroleumworld.com/story08111114.htm
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Baja & Back
I hope the Iraqui dinar re-values very soon so the oil can flow
And it would make some very rich individuals that hold dinar
sold out and got out !!!
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