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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
.....me, i take none of this internet drivel seriously! hahahaha  
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Capt. Mike has it all figured out - I agree 100%!! Ya just can't take this stuff seriously... 
Bob H
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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budman
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Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win; you are still retarded.
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Baja Bernie
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budman
What a wonderful way to make a debut
Welcome--I think!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
What a wonderful way to make a debut
Welcome--I think! |
Gracias! I am falling in love with Baja and just surfing this board, seems to be alot of useful information. One thing I have never found useful was
arguing politics on the net. I am a HUGE supporter of my party, politically active and love debate. It just seems that the internet is not the forum
that leads to friendly debate, that said, thank you for the welcome and I hope I did not offend with my first post. I am interested in wine making and
have started thinking about retiring to a small winery. Any vintners on here? Thanks.
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DanO
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Watch out
Retarded folks might be insulted by being compared to us.
Good one, Budman.
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Barry A.
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Political arguements-------
The huge majority of us on this board never "argue" politics-----(except on the "non-baja" thread), we only "respond" to political comments made by
others that we think are misleading, or just plain wrong.
Still, your point about not argueing politics on the net is very valid.
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jrbaja
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This wasn't about politics!
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DanO
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Let's see what the people really say
There are opinions, and then there are facts. According to this BBC World Service poll, JR would appear to be correct about the views of Mexicans in
general regarding U.S. politics.
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/BBCworldpoll/html/bbcpoll0...
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jrbaja
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I wasn't kidding when I made the list
and there was a reason for every number. Do not listen to tourists ideas on Baja. They are guessing at it. Especially politically blinded ones!
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Barry A.
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JR and DanO------
JR----to me you made it about politics when you cranked in your number 12 item above.
DanO-------whoa-----that is a startling poll! especially about Mexico. I must say that I am suspect of any poll done by BBC-----they seem to always
slant their "questions" in a most liberal way. However, perhaps my stats are wrong, and if so I sincerely apologize to all, especially JR, but I am
still highly suspicious. Only CBC out of Canada is more liberal than the BBC, from what I can tell. They both definitely have an "agenda", and it is
not pro-Bush.
I must say, if the polling is true and correct, then I am really amazed, and dismayed.
Nuff said on this subject, I suppose.
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DanO
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There's lots more where that came from
And it don't look good. Try this poll, conducted by ten major newspapers around the world, including Reforma. Here's a cool flash summary of the
results:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/0,5860,1327656,00.html
Here are the actual questions coupled with the results, so you can determine if there's any bias to them one way or the other:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/viewsofamerica/tab...
And here's an article discussing the Mexican poll results in detail.
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sondage_mondial_usa/article/1,9407...
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jrbaja
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I don't dabble in politics
but I do pay attention in Baja. I have no reason to make anything up about anything. All of the Mexican people I talk to down here, and that's a LOT,
do not like GW. Or Sadam if it makes you feel any better!
I listed #12 knowing full well I would hear something from dk about it. But, the fact is, it would not be a good idea to say you like gw down here
if you are trying to make friends. Honest.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by budman
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
What a wonderful way to make a debut
Welcome--I think! |
I am interested in wine making and have started thinking about retiring to a small winery. Any vintners on here?
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In Baja?
No mucho ranchitos vinos, I would care to guess.
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Barry A.
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DanO and JR------
DanO----the first two links will not open up for some reason. The third site/link is in French, which I do not read. So I could not comprehend any of
that info you sent out.
JR------I must admit that is a good explanation of why you included #12 on the list------but----
I still think it is funny that you say this-----as previously stated, I talked to litterally 100's of Italians lately about GWB and they had no
problems with it at all. Even if some did not agree with me they certainly were not rude or hostile. I find it hard to believe that the Mexicans in
general would be any different. Deep down I am pretty sure that they realize that GWB is "looking out for them" too. 
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jrbaja
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Not hostile or even rude
But, they are very adament about their feelings on war. And they hold certain parties responsible for this.
If you were to mention what a great guy you thought gw was, they may interpret it as you being pro war and you would lose a little respect!
That's all #12 was about.
Also, the Mexicans are very "Macho" people. When they see gw addressing a crowd trying to explain his policies, and his voice is cracking every
other sentence, it shows a certain trate in ones character that isn't exactly believable.
But, this isn't about politics.
[Edited on 8/5/2005 by jrbaja]
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Barry A.
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JR----picky, picky, picky !!!!------
There are several CEO's of huge corporations in the US that studder almost uncontrollably-----does not seem to effect their leadership abilities, tho.
For sure, he is no "smooth Willie", but he gets his points across, and then some, in my opinion.
"Macho" and "anti-war" (the typical Mexican??) seem like unusual traits in the same person, but you are probably right.
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jrbaja
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"Macho"
doesn't necessarily mean "violent"!
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capn.sharky
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Gee---I didn't see Iraq on this list.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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DanO
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What the . . . ?
I don't know why those links won't fully convert. Doug? Anyway, with apologies for the use of bandwidth, here are some excerpts from the Reforma
article on the Mexican part of the poll. Only the date is in French.
Le vendredi 15 octobre 2004
Alejandro Moreno
Reforma
A national poll of Mexican adults conducted by newspaper Reforma, in collaboration with 10 major newspapers around the world, shows that 55 percent of
respondents prefer John Kerry to win the presidential election to be held on November 2nd. In contrast, 20 percent support Bush in his reelection bid.
About 33 percent of Mexicans polled said that they have not heard about John Kerry, a substantial proportion if compared to only 6 percent who said
they don't know anything about George W. Bush.
Why is it that they have turned their backs on Bush? It is not the bilateral relationship per se: about 60 percent of Mexicans polled consider that
current relations between the U.S. and Mexico are very good or somewhat good. It is how Mexicans view the war against terrorism in general, and the
preemptive war in Iraq, in particular.
According to the poll, 83 percent of Mexicans think that invading Iraq was wrong. The poll was conducted before the first presidential debate, but
Kerry's depiction of the war as a ?colossal error? could have found some echo in Mexican public opinion. Six out of ten respondents consider that the
war in Iraq has not contributed at all in the fight against terrorism.
These perceptions have hit Bush's ratings. A majority of Mexicans, or 56 percent to be more specific, report that their opinion of the current U.S.
President has worsen in the last two or three years. Only 23 percent say that they have a favorable opinion about him. In contrast, 51 percent express
a favorable opinion about Americans in general.
Most Mexicans consider the U.S. to be the most important country for their own. According to the poll, 71 percent think it is very important that
Mexico maintains good relations with their northern neighbor. And this opinion is not just based on the rules of diplomacy, but on everyday life. Over
a million families get much of their income from their relatives living in the United States.
Mexicans seemed very aware of American life and society. Most are exposed to Hollywood, American television, and American music. A lesser, yet
substantial proportion reads American newspapers and magazines. Six out of ten respondents feel that they are very well or somewhat informed about the
United States. Over 40 percent have actually been to the U.S. for work, vacation, family visits, studies, or any other reason.
With all this, very few see a Bush reelection with optimism. Instead, 47 percent think that a Democratic victory would improve the international state
of affairs. After all, two thirds consider that the U.S. has substantial influence in the world, and most Mexicans think that it will remain the
world's largest economic power in the foreseeable future.
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Baja Bernie
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Is it any wonder that people reared under the PRI and fed total socialist pap for all of their lives would tend to wish the Democrats well? Most of
them would not even give Presidente Fox a chance even when they 'know' that the PRI still controlls the Congress and the purse strings.
Most of 'my' Mexican friends do not wish to get involved in almost anything that involves conflict. That normally includes speaking of politics with
their gringo friends unless the gringo has been invited into their homes.
Most often they will tell you what they believe that you want to hear. They would much rather smile than offend. ( Look at this board and you will
notice that this is not a trait shared by many of the gringos who post here--myself included).
They won't even report crime in progress because they do not wish to be invloved with their own police.
Those of you have read my books know that I love Baja and its people but that is with the understanding that they view most things in this life from a
different angle that most gringos. Their love and protectiveness for their extended family will cause them to fight. About the only other thing that
they are willing to fight for is their own macho egos.
I know the drug cartels are a totally different ball game.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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