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Bruce R Leech
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Skeet you are smarter than you think
Bruce R Leech
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tippytoestrish
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well, daddy, I guess that "retirement from the nomads" bit was just a way of getting an early eulogy??? guess we all know where i got my spelling
from!
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Bedman
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There are no words sweeter to my ear than "Daddy"
Thanks for the thought of the day Tippy.
Bedman
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Baja Bernie
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Pomp
jejejejejejejejejejejejejejeje!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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rpleger
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I just ordered "Mexifornia" from Amazon.
Thanks for the info Skeet
[Edited on 4-22-2006 by rpleger]
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Skeet/Loreto
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Lest we forget!!
Each one of us should never forget what happened in Mexico in 1978!
If you do not know, look it up in your Mexican History books;
The slaughter of 200 hundred Students on the steps of The University!!
Another good reference on the background of Mexico is a book" Blood and Fire" written by a Reporter living in Mexico at that time .
Skeet/Loreto
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bancoduo
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that was 1968. over 800 killed.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Lest we forget!!
Each one of us should never forget what happened in Mexico in 1978!
If you do not know, look it up in your Mexican History books;
The slaughter of 200 hundred Students on the steps of The University!! |
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jerry
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just something i found
>Subject: US Citizens Working in Mexico....
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>The following from a director with SW BELL in Mexico City.
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>I spent five years working in Mexico.
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>I worked under a tourist visa for three months and could legally renew it
>for three more months. After that you were working illegally. I was
>technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval.
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> uring that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure
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>permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport that
>I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the
>same except hers did not permit her to work.
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>To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals
>(not copies) of my:
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>1. Birth certificates for Barbara and me.
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>2. Marriage certificate.
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>3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
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>4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of
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>5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at
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>one year.
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>6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no arrest
>record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good
>standing."
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>7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why
>there was no Mexican citizen with my skills and why my skills were
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>to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on earth" letter. It
>was fun to write.
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>All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and
>be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It
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>a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish
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>Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied
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>a Mexican attorney touring Mexican government office locations and being
>photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each location (and
>we remember at least four locations) we were instructed on Mexican tax,
>labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their
>laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the government's
>actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand
>dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we
>could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in
>Loredo Texas. This meant we rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our
>goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid.
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>We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and
>under contract and compliance with Mexican law.
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>We were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an amazing
>process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to our
>headquarters location with their photography and finger print equipment and
>the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and
>fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six
>dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received
>instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give
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>policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it
>against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it
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>We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of
>our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this for us
>and we just signed what they prepared. I was about twenty legal size pages
>annually.
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>The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying
>more fees.
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>Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were leaving
>no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or
>liens) before our household goods were released to customs.
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>It was a real adventure and If any of our senators or congressmen went
>through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.
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>The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its
>citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White House
>or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States
>Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and
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>most protests the Mexican Military surround the block with their men
>standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy.
>These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public
>park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a
>protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas.
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>Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being hard
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jerry and judi
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bajajudy
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As we always say, things are different everywhere.
For one, I have never heard of a 3 year FM3. Here you have to renew every year.
But mainly, we have to remember that the Mexican government is not a democracy...never forget that. Either get used to it or forget it. Things just
dont work the same here. Good or bad, it doesnt really matter, it is the way it is.
Those people were lucky that they had the company to help them.
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bajajudy
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Oh I have never heard of anyone being able to work on a toursit visa...never
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jerry
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ok i guess we can pick at it and find a few irregularitys
but the fact of the matter is it take a bunch to be able to work in mexico
jerry and judi
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jerry
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this is the government not the people
and if the people are complacent thats the way it will stay just like in the good old USA
the ppl of mexico need to stand up for them selves
just like the ppl in the usa need to
both goverments are a lot alike no for the people or by the people but so hugh that they feed on the people
jerry and judi
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Skeet/Loreto
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Thanks for the correction on the figures Bancoduo!
I stand corrected!~
I read that book many years ago, and the old memory is gettin worse every
Day! I dug up the following Books and will recommend anyone who is going to live in Baja to Read;\
Black Robes in Lower California--Peter Masten Dunne , S.J
University of California Press{Lera will love this}
Berkeley and Los Angeles --1968
Distant Neighbors
A Portrait of the Mexicans Alan Riding
a a Knopf New York 1985
Bordering on CHAOS------Andres Oppenheimer
Little,Brown and Company
The Girl of the Sea of Cortez--Peter Benchley
Doubleday & Company
Garden City, New York
1982
Skeet/Loreto
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Oh I have never heard of anyone being able to work on a toursit visa...never |
Every time we go to Baja, I get my FMT at the start of the trip. Each trip I tell my wife that I cannot do all the chores she would like as it is
illegal in Baja; I would be putting a local out of a job and could be arrested. I beg her to hire a local to do her bidding so I won't be in jeopardy
of jail time.
So far she hasn't bought it, but I'm not giving up yet !! 
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Skeet/Loreto
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Found two more books hidden away that ae good reading:
The LOG FROM THE SEA OF CORTEZ
John Steinbeck with "About Ed Ricketts
The Journey of the Flame 1998-1902
Walter Nordhoff
Paperback
Skeet/Loreto
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