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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
We are a nation scared about terrorist and our peranoia regarding this issue can cause us harm. Regardless of a porous boarder or other security
measures we can suffer a terrorist attack. If such an event occurs it will not lead to our downfall. If another 9/11 occurs I think we will be better
prepared and in fact I think most Americans think that such an attack
will happen.
What will harm us is to lose our reputation as the Land of Opportunity.
For many years I worked as an Agricultural Inspector and inspected produce packed in the field. Many of the field workers I suspect were illegals. I
have great respect for them. many left their houses at 3am in the morning, worked all day in the field and were respectful, appreciated the work and
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Much you say here is true, but----- those "many" BROKE THE LAW--------without the rule of law we WILL lose our reputation, and our country as we know
it-----our law system and our respect for it, is the primary thing that holds us above the rest of the world. Without it, we fail, eventually, and
slip into chaos-------
THAT is what I am paranoid about, not terrorists.
No thanks----------secure the border, and then we will talk about what to do with the millions of ILLEGALS already here.
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
We are a nation scared about terrorist and our peranoia regarding this issue can cause us harm. Regardless of a porous boarder or other security
measures we can suffer a terrorist attack. If such an event occurs it will not lead to our downfall. If another 9/11 occurs I think we will be better
prepared and in fact I think most Americans think that such an attack
will happen.
What will harm us is to lose our reputation as the Land of Opportunity.
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Wow! I thought we had become complacent, but I was unaware of how well complacency had taken root .
9/11 was a drop in the bucket, compared to what could happen. To think otherwise is completely naive. Our porous borders are the weakest link in the
defense against a large scale terrorist attack. If you think I am incorrect, I invite you to fly the border with me, and let me show you some of the
things I frequently witness.
That being said, I still want our well intentioned, hard working, brothers and sisters to come and partake of, and contribute to the "land of
oppurtunity". Just please check in with us on your way through.
Fly low, land on roads.
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Dave
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Then come and pick me up.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cap
| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
If you think I am incorrect, I invite you to fly the border with me, and let me show you some of the things I frequently witness.
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I think you are incorrect.
I'll even let you off the hook. What things? |
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Cap
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I think you are incorrect.
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I don't want to encourage anyone to take advantage of them by posting them, and you probably wouldn't believe it until you saw it anyway.
Fly low, land on roads.
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DENNIS
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Awww, C'mon Cap........No teasing allowed. Give us something, please.
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Awww, C'mon Cap........No teasing allowed. Give us something, please. |
I would but, the Border pilots I fly with would not be happy with me, and it would make their jobs more difficult and dangerous. I do fear some of the
things I have seen being exploited. In fact flying into Brownsville Texas last time I brought some things to the attention of some BP Heli pilots that
really got their attention.
My point in all of this, is that Border security is important and the main reason for substantial demarcation. This should be closely followed by a
fair and humane immigration policy that values the contributions of the citizens of both countries, and builds a sense of appropriate cooperation. We
need eachother.
I would like to see more pressure brought to bear on the Mexican government to halt corruption.
Fly low, land on roads.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
We are a nation scared about terrorist and our peranoia regarding this issue can cause us harm. Regardless of a porous boarder or other security
measures we can suffer a terrorist attack. If such an event occurs it will not lead to our downfall. If another 9/11 occurs I think we will be better
prepared and in fact I think most Americans think that such an attack
will happen.
What will harm us is to lose our reputation as the Land of Opportunity.
For many years I worked as an Agricultural Inspector and inspected produce packed in the field. Many of the field workers I suspect were illegals. I
have great respect for them. many left their houses at 3am in the morning, worked all day in the field and were respectful, appreciated the work and
considered it an opportunity to be here. |
Yes, and we will all be up s**t creek without them. It is my contention that, in spite of all the political rhetoric, the government likes it
just the way it is. 
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vandenberg
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I believe that, even if we would erect a 100 foot wall from the Atlantic to the Pacific, it would only slow down illegals by a few percentage points.
Somehow they will find a way accross, wether by tunnel or by ocean, but they will find a way.
As long as the disparity in wealth between the countries persists, there is no way of stopping it. ( My opinion ).
The very only way it is going to stop , if the 5% uppercrust in Mexico is willing to give up some of their absurdly obnoxious wealth and share it
with the common man.
The country is dying to join the wealthy western 1st world, but none of those folks is willing to make any kind of sacrifice.
Seems to me, that in the long run, another revolution is inevitable. Just hope it happens after my time 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
The very only way it is going to stop , if the 5% uppercrust in Mexico is willing to give up some of their absurdly obnoxious wealth and share it
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Can you imagine how high the price of commodities in Mexico would rise if wages got to decent standards? Businesses don't compete. They just fix
prices and squeeze till the udder is dry.
Look what happens to Costco Mexico. The one in Ensenada can't keep the same price on an item if the buying public shows the least bit interest.
Prices are raised daily.
Competition in the Mexican marketplace is what will help the consumer as well as a more equitable distribution of wealth. This place has a long way
to go.
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bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
We are a nation scared about terrorist and our peranoia regarding this issue can cause us harm. Regardless of a porous boarder or other security
measures we can suffer a terrorist attack. If such an event occurs it will not lead to our downfall. If another 9/11 occurs I think we will be better
prepared and in fact I think most Americans think that such an attack
will happen.
What will harm us is to lose our reputation as the Land of Opportunity.
For many years I worked as an Agricultural Inspector and inspected produce packed in the field. Many of the field workers I suspect were illegals. I
have great respect for them. many left their houses at 3am in the morning, worked all day in the field and were respectful, appreciated the work and
considered it an opportunity to be here. |
Much you say here is true, but----- those "many" BROKE THE LAW--------without the rule of law we WILL lose our reputation, and our country as we know
it-----our law system and our respect for it, is the primary thing that holds us above the rest of the world. Without it, we fail, eventually, and
slip into chaos-------
THAT is what I am paranoid about, not terrorists.
No thanks----------secure the border, and then we will talk about what to do with the millions of ILLEGALS already here. |
As I have mentioned before, I am for a "Barcero" type program and hopefully it will eliminate the criminal element. For many years most "illegals"
have entered our country simply to provide a better opportunity for their family.
I am interested in seeing this country remain as a land of opportunity.
I do not agree with your emphasis on "many BROKE THE LAW". We are a compassionate nation-or at least we were!
We do have laws but many times we apply these laws with compassion-we do not apply laws rigidly.
I have understanding and compassion for the person who will break the law to better provide for his family.
We can spend untold millions of dollars to protect our borders but as long as the inequities occur between our nation and other countries and we are
seen as a Land of Opportunity the influx of "illegals" will continue.
bacquito
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MrBillM
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Gaining Control
There is no doubt that illegals will continue to attempt entry as long as they think there is a chance. Our responsibility is to curtail that
opportunity to the best of our abilities. If nothing else, it will decrease the numbers, especially if they try the desert during the summer.
The intensity felt on this issue is evident in the fact that watching any of the Cable News services and/or reading a major newspaper, there is DAILY
coverage of immigration stories.
On a more humorous note, one of the Immigrant Rights people on MSNBC today said that the passage of stricter State laws was causing us to lose LEGAL
minority residents. When queried by the MSNBC commentator "Why would that be" ? He replied that the Mexicans (his word) are a very close-knit,
family oriented people and, when one of their relatives is forced to leave because he can't get a job, they leave too.
Even the LOC (Left-of-Center) News Flack didn't buy that one.
It's amazing the Crap these people shovel.
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