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djh
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http://www.bajabushpilots.com/yabbse/index.php?board=1;actio... for those of you not familiar with navigating the BBP site.
It may be wishful thinking, but... I hope these thugs get what they deserve and that Pat gets his plane back. I read a post that said the plane was
headed towards Loreto...
Really irks me !
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
it was Pat's 206.
more on the BBP now.
what a bunch of caca.
this is bad pub for Don now.
look for the garrison to return to El Gallito! does that mean i have to start checking in?? ;^) |
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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Bob H
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More terrible news! For the time being, my wife and I are avoiding any travel to Baja. They have to get it together. The charm is quickly fading if
you ask me.
Bob H
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mjf
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As much as I HATE to admit it, I would have to agree. I'm going down next week (via car) and really not looking forward to it. Considering canceling
the plans...
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susanna
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These thugs have no respect for no one, can you imagine being a child and go thru this. All this stuff was one of the reasons i decided not to live in
Baja and now with this happening when i thought we could fly to vacation. I feel sorry for the honest hard working locals that depend on the turistas
to make a living.
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Hook
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As big a critic as I was of the situation at the end of 2007, I really feel things have improved substantially since the troops were deployed. We're
just not hearing of much, especially involving cars. I'd go, and just avoid driving at night especially above San Quintin.
Planes are a different story. Thefts, while not yet common, are not unheard of.
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thebajarunner
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No way I would fly my plane to Baja
Sorry for seeming to be obtuse in my comment.
I would not dream of flying into a private strip in Baja today.
Too many opportunities, as described above, for bad guys to borrow my aircraft.
I can remember flying down for a 1000 to San Felipe, left the plane there and drove back to Ensenada, actually starting the race back to San Felipe,
then hopping in the bird and going down to Punta Prieta, pitting for the guys, then sleeping under the wing, up at dawn and in La Paz for the finish.
Those days are fond memories, but no chance of doing it again!!
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thebajarunner
Sorry for seeming to be obtuse in my comment.
I would not dream of flying into a private strip in Baja today.
Too many opportunities, as described above, for bad guys to borrow my aircraft.
I can remember flying down for a 1000 to San Felipe, left the plane there and drove back to Ensenada, actually starting the race back to San Felipe,
then hopping in the bird and going down to Punta Prieta, pitting for the guys, then sleeping under the wing, up at dawn and in La Paz for the finish.
Those days are fond memories, but no chance of doing it again!! |
I would offer a different course of action. Respectfully , I submit that everyone considering flying( or driving or whatever) to Mulege to arrive in
mass to show our support for the locals and dispaly our resolve to not allow people of low carachter to affect us.
Admittedly I have had 4 margaritas (check the spelling on this post) I may be less confrontational in the morning...
-salut
Fly low, land on roads.
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capt. mike
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good show Cap!!
yes!! baja flying is SAFE. we can't let them beat us.
serenidad ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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thebajarunner
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Yep, the flying is safe, but....
it is the parking that scares me....
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thebajarunner
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a lighter side of the story
The night that I slept under the wing at Punta Prieta....
it was November (the 1000, remember?) and so it got dark real early, we pitted our team, the support truck gassed me up out of cans of avgas we had
sent along for that purpose, away they all went and I rolled out my sleeping bag.
In those days there was a fairly large army camp just across the highway from the airstrip.
I had just settled in with the mosquitos when I heard a noise, sat up in my sleeping bag and here were four young soldiers with rifles standing next
to my sleeping bag.
Now if that doesn't stop your heart for a second......
Anyway, I think I startled them as much as they startled me, we had a very short conversation and they departed.
When I awoke at daybreak to continue my flight to La Paz one of the young guys was sitting on a post, about 100 feet away- apparently they left him
there all night, for what reason I will never know.
I did my pre-flight, climbed aboard, "Clear!!" and was outta there.
He did give a little wave as I rotated off the strip.
Only in Baja!!!
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cap
I would offer a different course of action. Respectfully , I submit that everyone considering flying( or driving or whatever) to Mulege to arrive in
mass to show our support for the locals and dispaly our resolve to not allow people of low carachter to affect us.
Admittedly I have had 4 margaritas (check the spelling on this post) I may be less confrontational in the morning...
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Margaritas or no margaritas I'm ready for the fly-in whenever you are, amigo. 
Nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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roundtuit
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One out of how many planes that land and take off from there during a year. And how many are parked there for weeks at a time. Don't blame Don !!
Bring back the military.
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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wilderone
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There must be some security measures that can be organized. A town like Mulege at least has something to work with - not like some air strip out in
the middle of nowhere. Alarm buttons at the Serinidad office, that alerts the police department? Other alarms like air raid sirens which alert a
designated group to come running. Spike strips that can be mobilized immediately by a volunteer security force? Or some empty barrels that can be
rolled into the take-off area in a matter of seconds by a private security guards? Some chains that get padlocked to the tail anchored in cement?
ID required to be worn in plain view by everyone within the airport area? A security guard kiosk checking IDs, paid for by any number of Mexican and
US air clubs and police and tourist entities. I'd think a salary of $12,000/year would be sufficient - that's nothing. Smoke bombs available? The
"Club" for airplanes?
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
There must be some security measures that can be organized. A town like Mulege at least has something to work with - not like some air strip out in
the middle of nowhere. Alarm buttons at the Serinidad office, that alerts the police department? Other alarms like air raid sirens which alert a
designated group to come running. Spike strips that can be mobilized immediately by a volunteer security force? Or some empty barrels that can be
rolled into the take-off area in a matter of seconds by a private security guards? Some chains that get padlocked to the tail anchored in cement?
ID required to be worn in plain view by everyone within the airport area? A security guard kiosk checking IDs, paid for by any number of Mexican and
US air clubs and police and tourist entities. I'd think a salary of $12,000/year would be sufficient - that's nothing. Smoke bombs available? The
"Club" for airplanes? |
The Military presence returning is the answer IMHO. I wouldn't want to be the fellow rolling out counter theft measures, infront of a plane full of
armed narcotrafficantes.
But I do like the enthusiasm, and creative thought. I have a video of a
friend of mine taking off from Mulege as a guy on a bicycle leisurley crosses the runway.. ID's might not work
Fly low, land on roads.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
There must be some security measures that can be organized. A town like Mulege at least has something to work with - not like some air strip out in
the middle of nowhere. Alarm buttons at the Serinidad office, that alerts the police department? Other alarms like air raid sirens which alert a
designated group to come running. Spike strips that can be mobilized immediately by a volunteer security force? Or some empty barrels that can be
rolled into the take-off area in a matter of seconds by a private security guards? Some chains that get padlocked to the tail anchored in cement?
ID required to be worn in plain view by everyone within the airport area? A security guard kiosk checking IDs, paid for by any number of Mexican and
US air clubs and police and tourist entities. I'd think a salary of $12,000/year would be sufficient - that's nothing. Smoke bombs available? The
"Club" for airplanes? |
You couldn't pay a delegacion municipal guy enough to have him put his head on the line against cartel members on crank with semi or automatic
weapons. Not physically or financially possible. They have almost no training in incidents like this. It wouldn't have stopped this incident.
What is needed is an immediate means of notification to an entity with means of tracking the plane in the air and then deploying forces on the ground
at that point.
Maybe the "clear and present danger" clause to get the US involved? I dont know if Mexico has the resources. But a helicopter with .50 caliber machine
guns might get them thinking twice about hijackings.
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Beachgirl
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Here's a happy thought in the middle of the obviously terrifying news....the six bad guys aren't here anymore. Yeah, I know all the other stuff...and
I know they are causing trouble somewhere else, and yes, I hope someone shoots them (can I say that?), but still...they aren't here. Selfishly it is
just nice to think of them NOT being in Mulege. I am not trying to make light of this situation, but I think I would be willing to pay bad guys to
leave town...somewhat like the old time sheriffs would escort them to the edge of town with a "Don't come back" comment...of course I don't mean
provide them with airplanes...maybe a hundred bucks and a bus ticket! Just wondering....how about some positive news, like how many planes come and go
with no problems at all? Where are Arnold, Chuck and Sylvester when you need them?
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joel
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Has anyone any idea how to request the military return? Sure it would be nice if they returned, but it seems like it would be difficult to reach a
decision-maker. Do they even care about hijackings, other than the actual involvement of drugs being transported?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by joel
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The best time to put in a request like that is when it becomes evident that a boycot is affecting the cash flow.
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LancairDriver
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It would be great to have the military back in Mulege as a deterent. However, the south part of the runway in Mulege where aircraft take off, is over
3,000ft away from the area where the Military was stationed previously. They would not have even been able to see where the incident took place from
their previous station. This was a very well planned hijack, and any confrontation could easily have developed into a shootout and hostage situation.
Thankfully, it turned out as well as could be hoped for under the circumstances. Supposedly one of the Bandits made the comment "today is a good day
to die" as the hijack took place. Gives you a good idea of their mindset. Until the Mexican Government gets a handle on the problem, and our US
marketplace for their product drys up the problem will continue. Who can guess what creative method they will come up with next?
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sd
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Does anyone know if there was any attempt by the military or others to follow the plane, track it on radar, or alert other landing strips to be on the
lookout for the stolen plane?
Or do you feel the authorities may be involved?
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