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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 07:33 AM


If I'm right about the Dam & Reservoir, then it's pretty likely that a lot of the other disturbances in the river bed could also be other dams & reservoirs. There are a few others I think I've nailed down, but they involved even more guesswork than the one I'm showing. One of the others would be near the base of the path going up the hill that has arches. Since that is one of the most accessible places at the site it's worth looking around that river bed below the arches, even if I can't be as definitive with the particulars that I think I see there.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 07:39 AM


Here's a higher-level shot with some broader features noted:


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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 07:47 AM


That X-Shaped feature is the crossroads of two very well used trails as far as I can tell. One direction leads directly to my so-called "mission site". Another direction follows a trail through some mountains and valleys then gets lost in the desert. If you were to continue the direction of the trail after it gets lost in the desert you would find that it is aimed to go around the only mountain between this site and the Santa Maria mission. That could mean that the Jesuits made the trail, but it's certainly not built in their traditional style. I think it's more likely that it's an older trail leading to the oasis that Santa Maria was later built upon.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 08:00 AM


If you read my original post you would know that I tried to contact 9 professors at 4 major universities.

You did. Sorry.


I still say something aint right...the way you presented all of this, 9 professors at 4 major universities not getting involved,
and the fact that the area seems to be well covered by previous folks.. We had too many sand dollar stories here.


Like I said....I will remain quiet on this unless spoken too.




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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 08:24 AM


Fair enough
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 08:27 AM


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Fair enough


I do as said before...hope I am wrong. Good luck with this hunt.




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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 08:28 AM


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Best thread in a while. Looking forward to seeing pictures of the site. Ruins or not, it's a great read.


It sure is.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 08:55 AM
Who are you?


After going to the app website, I'm still not sure who you are. Below is the info from your about us page, very elusive, and no mention of people's names (who are "we""?




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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 09:00 AM


Also, thanks for the Google links. I have a decent res monitor, and am admittedly not a geologist or archaeologist, but I think you are stretching things a LOT!

I'd like to hear more on how you make the stretch (your words) from seeing something in a satellite image to an archaeological find...

You truly could be on to something here. Or you may have thought Tuesday was April 1st not March 1st.




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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 09:25 AM


Good Morning... Well, I did try to downplay the original post by elbeau so his 'secret' would be protected a bit longer. In any case, he has produced his close ups for you all to see and ponder... Great, Baja is about history, adventure and exploration. I did send the GPS to three other Nomads for their help in trying to see if there is something man-made there.

The arroyo is EL VOLCAN, but the Mexican topo and Baja Almanac has mis-named it Zamora. The site is only 3 miles 'downstream' from where the El Marmol-La Olvidada mine road crosses Arroyo el Volcan... which is just 1/2 mile from the El Volcan Geyser (onyx dome)... http://vivabaja.com/marmol

The arroyo is dry except for the springs at El Volcan which are very mineralaized (creating onyx) and nothing edible can grow in that water.

Motorcycle riders have traveled down Arroyo el Volcan (Zamora) from the El Marmol road seeking a short cut to the gulf (near El Huerfanito)... A dry waterfall dropoff has prevented the use of this arroyo.

Mexican prospectors have digs all over the area. The site (if it was a mission ruin) would have been seen by either prospectors, ranchers or off roaders.

However, Baja is a land of adventure... I would be happy to go back to El Volcan and go down the arroyo to the site to take photos of what these rock piles really look like. Who knows... maybe elbeau has indeed found something... and if not, it is still a great adventure to dream about or do!

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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 09:33 AM


Conjecture can go on and on. There is only one definitive solution and that is on the ground. It doesn't appear to be a difficult trip, several folks have indicated a willingness to drive/hike in. Until that happens nothing can be conclusive.

Having spent mucho time following rumored leads all over the backcountry of Baja, even a nonproductive adventure is just that, an adventure. However, at times one can be rewarded with success, but usually that just creates more questions. So, in the end, it's Baja, full of the unknown and unexpected. Nothing wrong with that.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 09:44 AM


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Conjecture can go on and on. There is only one definitive solution and that is on the ground. It doesn't appear to be a difficult trip, several folks have indicated a willingness to drive/hike in. Until that happens nothing can be conclusive.

Having spent mucho time following rumored leads all over the backcountry of Baja, even a nonproductive adventure is just that, an adventure. However, at times one can be rewarded with success, but usually that just creates more questions. So, in the end, it's Baja, full of the unknown and unexpected. Nothing wrong with that.


Well said. I'm not trying to create an endless debate here. All I want is some on-the-ground confirmation or a picture of the 95-foot shrub that is making me see things wrong :)
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 09:45 AM
get some better photos, they are out there and free on web


Don't waste your time with Google sat photos. the google earth photos are very limited.
you arm chair explorers should download the Landsat 7 SID raster images, and view with a free viewer like Lizardtech.

good luck chasing shadows!
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 10:16 AM


How about showing them here goat...? It would be real refreshing to have a possitive contribution from you instead of the typical criticism... Can you do this? Thank you.



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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 10:17 AM


Corky ll and I rode MCs down the wash and then hiked another mile or so a few years ago, maybe 5 or 6. Corky spent more time looking over the landscape than I as he felt there may be an overland route to the Sea of Cortez. I walked to the horse shoe bend past the first group of caves and stairs etc. WE did not see anything unusual. We were looking for a way to ride a MC up the side of the hill and not for historial stuff. The wash itself gets pretty bad with boulders etc.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 10:25 AM


I'm going down to the SF250 race next week leaving on Thursday from here. Since I was going to check out the Turquesa mine wash hill I think I'll stop by this site first and see what it shows. If anyone else is going at that time let me know.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 10:57 AM


That would be great TW... take as many photos of the site and include a look from the arroyoup to it and from it down to the arroyo. This should clear up a lot.

Here are my Google Earth images of the site (marked with white balloon 'site b') from high to close with north at top, and sideways (west) from the arroyo.



The 'mystery runway' is at the end of a road that branches left, 2.0 miles from El Marmol off the El Volcan road. It is a ditched drug runner airstrip. There are others in this part of Baja!













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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 11:13 AM


Iíve been down this arroyo at least 3 miles. About Ĺ mi. from the arroyo junction (where if you crossed it would continue to the mine), to the right, there are some pools, some new onyx domes, streams, where Iím sure following a big rain, an area could fill to resemble a lake. Further down the arroyo we saw lots of borrego prints, lots of tamarask, but we didnít venture on either side of the arroyo up any cliffs or side canyons, etc. Itís really great country for a hike. Some views of an area where pools accumulate and new onyx is being created.







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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 11:42 AM


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I'm going down to the SF250 race next week leaving on Thursday from here. Since I was going to check out the Turquesa mine wash hill I think I'll stop by this site first and see what it shows. If anyone else is going at that time let me know.


YAY! I can survive two more weeks...I guess :)

Can't wait to see what you do or don't find.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2011 at 07:07 PM


Thanks Wilderone for sharing some of your beautiful El Volcan photos!



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