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LancairDriver
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I'VE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT GLOBAL MANMADE CLIMATE CHANGE.........
The Washington Post
The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the
Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate, at Bergen, Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the
Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones,
the report continued, while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far
north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make
most coastal cities uninhabitable.
I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922,as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 90 years
ago.
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wessongroup
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"Mark Carney, the governor of the Bank of England has warned that climate change will lead to financial crises and falling living standards unless the
world’s leading countries do more to ensure that their companies come clean about their current and future carbon emissions."
Bankers are typically adversed to "risks" and are in most cases conservative in their political thought
Additionally Banks started looking at "sustainability" well over 30 years ago ... along with major industries ... which included the Chemical Industry
... along with many others
And the movement towards "sustainability" was based on Science coupled with Economics, at the hip
As someone has already stated ... We won't be around to see "IT" ... Good luck to those who are 
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MrBillM
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The GOOD News IS ............................
That there is NOTHING said here by the Liberal Druids which will have ANY (statistically significant) impact on the Climate
question.
That said, it "may" be that the Web does have some positive impact on the warming issue.
In that the "typed" drivel avoids a degree of Hot Air expended when said Doomsday prophecies are voiced.
Over and over and over again ad nauseam.
There should be a scientific study done to explore the possibility.
Since mostly ALL scientists are said to be in agreement on the "Tide is Rising, Sky is Falling, Earth is Dying", there's no point in them continuing
their studies so the "Blowhard" question would give them something to do.
In the meantime................"Don't Worry, Be Happy", hoist a Heineken, Steinlager or some other inferior brew and as
*Confu-cius (or Charlie Chan ?) said............"When inevitable, Enjoy".
Content in the knowledge that we'll all be Dead when (if) things REALLY go Bad.
*The PC censor must have a thing about Chinamen.
With "f-u-c" in their names, anyway.
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  |
I'VE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT GLOBAL MANMADE CLIMATE CHANGE.........
The Washington Post
The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the
Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate, at Bergen, Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the
Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones,
the report continued, while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far
north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make
most coastal cities uninhabitable.
I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922,as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 90 years
ago.
WHOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Perfect... Thanks for the look back almost 100 years of "Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most
coastal cities uninhabitable."
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wessongroup
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Appears the early work, was just off by 90 or so years ...
Who's perfect ... 
Not bad considering what they were working with 100 years ago ... and the mind set which was also present at that time
Hell, they were still riding horses at that time
nothing against horses ... had one ... moved on to an Indian .. motorcycle that is 
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[Edited on 9-30-2015 by wessongroup]
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Mexitron
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | The graph clearly is called "Anthropogenic" emissions... as ncampion said, it is meaningless as a rebuttal to what I posted!
I wonder if liberals use big words to confuse the masses?
Here is what anthropogenic means:
adjective
1.
caused or produced by humans:
anthropogenic air pollution.
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So the graph is meant to scare the dollars right out of your pocket and put leftists into office... because 100% of the CO2 on that graph is only a
SMALL % of the source of CO2 on the planet.
The key paragraphs from the article above the misleading pie graph, if you didn't read them:
The people who firmly believe that man is the biggest culprit may not take it happily, but the biggest source of CO2 emissions is volcanic eruptions.
There is a huge amount of carbon dioxide locked up in rocks. As the rocks melt, they give up the gas, and this is expelled during the eruption. Often,
the larger the eruption, the more carbon dioxide is released along with other gases, such as hydrogen sulfide.
The next biggest emitter of carbon dioxide is probably the ocean. It absorbs a great deal of the gas, however, the colder it is, the more it can hold.
The bottom of the ocean contains water that is below the freezing point, but salinity and pressure prevent it from freezing. Contained CO2 tends to
stay there for a long time.
However, in some places, like the Gulf of Mexico and in the Caribbean, surface waters get relatively hot, releasing carbon dioxide in the process.
Colder polar waters offset this, because the gas is absorbed again, however this is still a major source of emissions.
A person may wonder where man and other animals fit into all of this. After all, animals breathe in oxygen and breath out carbon dioxide. Their bodies
also contain CO2 and carbon, which is released when they die and decompose. Man also burns fossil fuels, which does release CO2 as a byproduct.
However, animals including man don’t produce nearly as much carbon dioxide as the major producers with the possible exception of the death and
decomposition of animals.
Man is actually an insignificant producer of CO2, though he is prideful enough to think he is a major player.
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David, you're original source quoted the US Geological Survey as part of the article having said that volcanoes produce more CO2 than anthropomorphic
sources. Here is what the USGS has to say about this (from THEIR website):
"Do the Earth’s volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? Research findings indicate that the answer to this frequently asked question is a clear
and unequivocal, “No.” Human activities, responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions in 2010 (Friedlingstein et
al., 2010), release an amount of CO2 that dwarfs the annual CO2 emissions of all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes (Gerlach,
2011)."
Source link: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php
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DaliDali
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Baja Nomad climate change experts........
What are your proposals to slow or put a stop to this global phenom.
Be reasonable....one cannot just shut down all manner of carbon emissions, as that would reek havoc worldwide.
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SFandH
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World leaders are making agreements to combat global warming by reducing atmospheric CO2 emissions.
United States and China:
"Last week, during Xi Jingping’s visit to Washington D.C., President’s Obama and Xi issued a joint statement on climate change. This follows the
announcement by both presidents during Obama’s visit to Beijing in November 2014 that the U.S. would cut its emissions 26-28 percent below 2005 levels
by 2025 and that China would peak it carbon pollution by 2030."
An analysis of the agreements, published yesterday:
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/planetpolicy/posts/2015/09/29...
The European Union:
"The European Commission has set out the EU's vision for a new agreement that will, through collective commitments based on scientific evidence, put
the world on track to reduce global emissions by at least 60% below 2010 levels by 2050."
http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/international/negotiation...
Worldwide:
"Nations are working toward a new global climate change agreement later this year in Paris. These negotiations offer governments a critical
opportunity to craft a broad, balanced and durable agreement strengthening the international climate effort."
http://www.c2es.org/international/2015-agreement
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DaliDali
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In California, a lot of the cap and trade income is used to finance the controversial Central valley bullet train, fund affordable housing and
mitigate drought concerns.
I am not quite sure how that slows global warming?
And the cap and trade has been described as a "Christmas tree for more spending"
Based on bullet trains, housing and the drought, some of that may be accurate.
http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-state-budget...
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oh jesus f'g christ! this level of ignorance is displayed and y'all still try to educate this clown.
c'mon people. there's way more important fish to fry.
let it go
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David K
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Thanks Mexitron for posting a counter argument that look intelligent and without name calling that usually is added by man caused arguers.
How can a volcanic eruption be anything but a most powerful carbon releasing event? The other side of the volcano coin is the tonnage of debris put
into the atmosphere, which actually cools the earth. I recall the volcano "Pinatubo" (sp?) in the Philippines that was so "dirty" the earth's
temperature dropped enough to cause measurable global temperature drop.
I still think the earth is in control, and man is a natural part of the earth. We can do some bad stuff, but either we or Nature cleans it up pretty
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver |
I'VE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT GLOBAL MANMADE CLIMATE CHANGE.........
The Washington Post
The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the
Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate, at Bergen, Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the
Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones,
the report continued, while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far
north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make
most coastal cities uninhabitable.
I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922,as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 90 years
ago.
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One really should do further research on this article. Yes, this appeared in 1922, but the line,
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Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.
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was added when it became a mass e-mail sometime around 2009.
The article was based on a study done in Norway in one small area where they had an exceptionally warm spell. And it was ONLY about that one small
area and sensationalized by the news media. It has nothing to do with the current studies.
DK --- why do you never answer a couple of questions. How are our freedoms being taken away and why would scientists worldwide join in a conspiracy
to take away freedoms?
I will say that I agree with one thing DK --- nature will clean up the mess after we have polluted ourselves to extinction and there is no longer the
destructive footprint left by 7 billion people.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | Baja Nomad climate change experts........
What are your proposals to slow or put a stop to this global phenom.
Be reasonable....one cannot just shut down all manner of carbon emissions, as that would reek havoc worldwide.
First off thank you Mr Bill. To your question Dali, I think we would solve many problems if we could just stop all those cows from farting. I know,
unreasonable.
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bajacamper
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Even the absurd makes perfect sense to some.
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If you ever get to San Ysidro CA on a warm day, stroll down towards the fence and look South. Now turn 180 degrees and look North. You may notice
the big difference in air quality. We ain't perfect, but we are doing a hell of a lot more than most regarding breathing. Bout as scientific as any
of the rest of the observations.
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rts551
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Couple of months ago David said that the salt flats were filling with water between Punta Abreojos and Bahia Asuncion because the ground was sinking.
Maybe that is why his palm trees appear not to move. The beach on the gulf side of the peninsula is rising!
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wessongroup
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Speaking of air quality and man made pollutants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smog#Natural_causes
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| Quote: Originally posted by bezzell |
oh jesus f'g christ! this level of ignorance is displayed and y'all still try to educate this clown.
c'mon people. there's way more important fish to fry.
let it go |
David might be a clown, but he's OUR clown. Try to control yourself.
In fact, if David's a clown, so am I. And, if you would, leave JC out of this?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | I do try and answer all questions... but when they are buried deep in the doo doo in this thread, I may miss them.
Freedoms lost due to big (liberal) government:
Your money... you will have less so you can't do as much as you wish or help your family as you should, government takes that freedom from you with
unreasonable taxes to fund insane projects, like the hoax of man-caused climate change.
Your mobility... you will be restricted on how to drive or operate your vehicle from either closing once open public areas, or needing permits to
travel (ala Soviet Union), or taxes causing fuel to be too high to afford traveling.
Your personal relaxation needs... that may include a gasoline powered device... gardening, fishing, going to museums, four wheeling... and the
liberals want to control your movement by adding taxes so much as to prevent you from buying gasoline to do any of these things.
Eating... liberals want you to stop eating animals and especially beef cattle as they repeatedly point to the amount of methane produced by cattle as
being a greenhouse gas that must be reduced.
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Ralph: If the sea level has not risen more than 3" (per gov't scientists) since you first saw a normally dry salt flat... but now it is always wet,
then the logical deduction is that region is dropping in elevation, and that is a normal event from plate tectonics and not evil corporations or
under-taxed Americans.
On the gulf side of Baja, the salt flats I have been on for over 35 years that were mostly dry, are STILL mostly dry... The bar at Alfonsina's is
still just above sea level, as it was many years ago, and those palm trees are still just above the typical high tide line.
Now maybe, just maybe, all of Baja is tilting with the Pacific side getting lower and the gulf side getting higher (but the gulf level looks identical
because the sea level is rising to offset the land rise??? !!!
The only problem with that is San Diego is attached to the same coast as Abreojos, and my home on the beach when I was a kid is still just as high
above the sea as it was in 1957... The salt pans around Scammon's Lagoon would be underwater always instead of only when water is pumped into them...
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You do realize that it was those very taxes that enabled you to collect welfare, that allows you to have roads and highways, that allows you to have
flood control, police, fire protection, and on, and on.
The Peninsula is twisting..while it is sinking.....now that is a new one. Talk about doom and gloom. We have now left the absurd behind and
are in the realm of plain obnoxious.
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you're so blind you can't see that in fact, JC IS a large part of the problem!?
you know, magical sky wizards that are really in control, and such phewey!
holy crap
don't worry. I'll take my own advice from here on out!
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