Goat, is there a reading comprehension problem here? "Respected" NBC News headline starts with "Climate Change Expert". Then the first sentence in the
article begins with "The EPA's highest paid employee and a leading expert on climate change". Most people would interpret this to mean the man is a
climate change expert. They would logically further question his credibility on anything, based on the charges he is guilty of. What part of that
don't you understand?
Ludicrous. At first glance, it looks like the attached article is about a climate expert who lied about climate change. On reading the
article, this expert worked for the EPA, never showed up for work there, claimed he worked for the CIA, and scammed the government for salaries he
never earned.
Seems he was out of integrity. Does that mean he's NOT an expert in climate change?
Don't understand the point Paul is trying to make here. What does this fraud have to do with climate change? I think the point is there is
fraud in the EPA and climate experts are not to be trusted?
More smoke and mirrors from those toe the Republican party line?
New kid,
No where in the article does it clearly state he was a climate chNge expert. Just says he collected a salary while avoiding work using clever fibs.
So what is worse, you being a trust fund baby, spending money you never earned, or him spending money he never earned? Same thing, eh?
Driverboy,
Did you read the article? The guy has not gone to work in a decade, spent his time at home remodeling his house, so how could he be the leading
expert? Driverboy, you need to look past the teasing headline and read the actual news.
Goat, did you read it? He was frequently absent for long periods, but over ten years he probably pushed a lot of paper through his position.
Since he states the he spent a lot of the off time "Trying to fine tune the capitalist system", to discourage companies from damaging the
environment......ALL of his work should be rejected.
Even his shrink said he was dysfunctional and driven to manipulate those around him through fabricating the facts.
I don't know if his shoddy work had much of an impact in the grand scheme of things, but it casts a huge shadow over the whole department.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
Since he states the he spent a lot of the off time "Trying to fine tune the capitalist system", to discourage companies from damaging the
environment......ALL of his work should be rejected.
.
I think it is a great thing that someone would spend their time fine tuning the capitalist system to discourage companies from damaging the
environment.
"Is that what the photos of the sea level next to a palm tree are called? Sea level is a standard point of measurement and is not different in one
place from another beyond the tidal movement and other gravitational influences of a few inches to a few feet."
1. Did you know different seas have different levels? What exactly is just "sea level", David? The Atlantic is actually higher than the pacific.
Not by much, but:
2. Just in your (our) tiny Sea of Cortez (in comparison to other larger bodies) you mention "tidal movement from a few inches to a few feet"... your
Coyote beach palms have a max. tidal bore of maybe 3-4 feet vertically at high tides, yet the San Felipe areas to the north end of the SOC can have up
to THIRTY FEET of change..... and shall we discuss the tidal bore of the Bay of Fundy? Or is this logic to Fundymental for you?
Point being, your "Skience by DK" Using your infamous Coyote Bay palm trees to show there's no world-wide sea level change holds about as much weight
as a pi$$ant's BB. And, your beach home beach...... just how steep is that beach? Tides the same, eh? Too bad you weren't raised in a Bayou or
Bangladesh, real flat-land country like north Alaska that's already being inundated, but that's just real science, ignore it..... bunch of Kollidge
Kids trying to pad their grant monies.
And, to you and all your supporters, remember this; if the proponents of making Earth a more habitable place are wrong, at worst you're out of a few
bucks. Go ahead, quote grandiose dollar figures (split how many ways?) of how Big Gov ripped you all off. But, if you're wrong, there will be far
worse consequences.
Penny Loafer Loaf? Sneaker Snackers? Pecan Sandles? Croc Pot Pie? Who will be munching 30 years from now?
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
Buddah, tides are different, beaches are different, the sea LEVEL average is not. Ususlly we use the average high tide line. That palm, my beach
house, Shell Island, Alfonsina's Resort are ALL the same height above that average sea level today as they were 50 years ago. You can see it in
photos.
The environment is increasingly permanently damaged due to a variety of factors poisoning the earth, long term geo-engineering spraying of aerosol
metals and salts, radiation from ***ishima, oil and biological spills, and depleted uranium weapons detonation.
There is a massive die off of species globally, food production is greatly reduced and people are suffering increasing illness due to the poisoning of
the environment.
The circumstances and causes are far more insidious and worse than many can contemplate, nor are many willing to accept.
Military Industrial complex is a snake eating it's own tale that won't stop.
US Government is often caught lying and manipulating data and opinion misleading and confusing people.
Man-made CO2 is not a pollutant nor demonstrated to be a driver of climate.
Pursue the truth, be aware and be prepared for the result.
The environment is increasingly permanently damaged due to a variety of factors poisoning the earth, long term geo-engineering spraying of aerosol
metals and salts, radiation from ***ishima, oil and biological spills, and depleted uranium weapons detonation.
There is a massive die off of species globally, food production is greatly reduced and people are suffering increasing illness due to the poisoning of
the environment.
The circumstances and causes are far more insidious and worse than many can contemplate, nor are many willing to accept.
Military Industrial complex is a snake eating it's own tale that won't stop.
US Government is often caught lying and manipulating data and opinion misleading and confusing people.
Man-made CO2 is not a pollutant nor demonstrated to be a driver of climate.
Pursue the truth, be aware and be prepared for the result.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Just thinking that last night. Thanks Paul.
The Ogallala will be depleted in 20 years, California will be a Dust Bowel, and like past civilizations caught in a 100 year drought, people will
leave for greener pastures.
Bright future for the kiddies? Not really.
''I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it.''
Niccolo Machiavelli
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
However, at this time, it would appear to late and "nature" in fact will equal things out to a level that support life which can exist in an
"environment" ... It's called Evolution
Years ago when in school ... most agreed Insecta would be the "winner" in the long term
I have little reason to change that thought .. at this time
And overall there is little disagreement over human influence over their environment by the vast majority of Science and/or Scientist ... In ALL
fields of science as it isn't limited to just one field of study .. rather all fields
Here is a good starting point for ALL thoughts and/or facts on most scientific findings an/or thoughts
There is no question that some glaciers are melting just like there is no question the Antarctic ice pack has grown. Less here, more there... the
earth is in balance it would seem?
Just like Ken's photo is proof that there is less glacier now than before, we have photographic and physical proof the sea level along Baja's east
coast is not visibly different than 50-60 years ago.
The point is there is no need for panic or drama... Even if the sea level was rising, there not one thing man can do to change that. We didn't cause
the sea level to be 400 feet higher, 5 million years ago, or lower 10,000 years ago. Change is normal... we just have not been alive long enough to
actually see that amount of change happening.
Just a couple of glaring errors in this argument. A. Humans were not around to contribute to any of the climate change events in the past, so this one
is obviously different because we are here and have exacerbated it by burning carbon. B. Your photographic proof is nonsense. We are talking about
what may be 3" of difference of sea-level in our lifetimes. You are comparing sea level photos and you don't know if the picture was taken at high or
low tide!!! I can show you a picture of a ROCK that has not moved in eons, and clearly demonstrate how the water can be photographed showing it is
FOUR FEET higher than it was at low tide earlier in the day. I would hesitate to send this information to the National Academy of Sciences even
though, by your standards, it clearly proves that the scientists are lying.
One of the reasons that sea ice in Antarctica is increasing is a direct result of global climate change. While an increase in frozen salt water would
be a good indicator, it is not a good symptom that sea ice is increasing because of all the easily frozen fresh water which is thawing off the
shrinking glaciers and flowing into the sea. This is not 'balance".
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
Snarky nastiness is passed off as scientific fact here by some. It really does little to advance your computer model global warming stories.
I do not understand why you think you must insult DK at every opportunity. I have never seen him do anything on this forum other than try and help
people any way he can. I wouldn't blame him if he just packed it in. Those of you he has helped might want to speak up as they come crashing down
on me
If the sea levels are rising then that means all the mountain tops are lower since the height is in Feet Above Mean Sea Level. Think of all the maps
that will need to be changed.
I thought I knew something about the arguments on both sides of the issue but I found the most informative book on the issue to be:
Climate Change: The Facts Paperback – April 21, 2015
by J.Abbot (Author), J.S. Armstrong (Author), A.Bolt (Author), R.Carter (Author), & 20 more
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Quote from Amazon, "The authors of Climate Change: The Facts number some of the most prominent dissenters from Big Climate alarmism...."
That was my point Diane, This issue is so divisive and depending on your perspective you are either a "believer" or a "denier". A parallel issue
exhibits itself when you have "Christians" and "Muslims" arguing over who is right. Depending on how you see the world, you can only see one
perspective and find it impossible to understand where the other side comes from. When I was a youngster, Science was a perspective and all sides
were open for discussion and proof. No one assumed that they understood all of the little nuances of thought and open discussion was welcomed in the
hope of discovering the truth. This has not happened with the scientific thought behind Global Warming. If we had accepted all of the ideas put
forth by Al Gore in his propaganda movie, we would be awash in high water, the Polar Bears would all be dead, and people would be dying by the
thousands. Instead, we are finding that things are pretty much the same as always, the earth has built in adjustment and compensating mechanisms, and
the only constant that we see is that this issue has become a political religion with "believers" and "deniers" but we have somehow thrown true
science out the window and we spend all of our time justifying our beliefs about how the world functions and damn those who see it any differently.
So I read a book that has some very fine arguments about the foolishness going on with trying to get everyone to believe in some silly computer models
that have shown we are on the "eve of destruction". When that destruction did not come to pass, as predicted by Al Gore and the likes, we change the
discussion slightly but the basic belief remains the same. If somehow, we could get back to true "science" instead of pre-disposed ideology, then we
might truly begin to understand what is going on. So, I challenge you to read the book and then we can have an informed discussion instead of a
useless replay of political positions. Of course, I could get upset and chop off your head like the Christians and Muslims, but on the same vein, you
could do the same to me. So when we get through chopping off our heads, I suspect that the world goes on doing its own thing, which it has been doing
for millions of years anyway.
I thought I knew something about the arguments on both sides of the issue but I found the most informative book on the issue to be:
Climate Change: The Facts Paperback – April 21, 2015
by J.Abbot (Author), J.S. Armstrong (Author), A.Bolt (Author), R.Carter (Author), & 20 more
279 customer reviews
See all 2 formats and editions
Kindle
$9.95
Read with Our Free App
Paperback
$15.89
2 Used from $49.79
3 New from $15.89
Quote from Amazon, "The authors of Climate Change: The Facts number some of the most prominent dissenters from Big Climate alarmism...."
That was my point Diane, This issue is so divisive and depending on your perspective you are either a "believer" or a "denier". A parallel issue
exhibits itself when you have "Christians" and "Muslims" arguing over who is right. Depending on how you see the world, you can only see one
perspective and find it impossible to understand where the other side comes from. When I was a youngster, Science was a perspective and all sides
were open for discussion and proof. No one assumed that they understood all of the little nuances of thought and open discussion was welcomed in the
hope of discovering the truth. This has not happened with the scientific thought behind Global Warming. If we had accepted all of the ideas put
forth by Al Gore in his propaganda movie, we would be awash in high water, the Polar Bears would all be dead, and people would be dying by the
thousands. Instead, we are finding that things are pretty much the same as always, the earth has built in adjustment and compensating mechanisms, and
the only constant that we see is that this issue has become a political religion with "believers" and "deniers" but we have somehow thrown true
science out the window and we spend all of our time justifying our beliefs about how the world functions and damn those who see it any differently.
So I read a book that has some very fine arguments about the foolishness going on with trying to get everyone to believe in some silly computer models
that have shown we are on the "eve of destruction". When that destruction did not come to pass, as predicted by Al Gore and the likes, we change the
discussion slightly but the basic belief remains the same. If somehow, we could get back to true "science" instead of pre-disposed ideology, then we
might truly begin to understand what is going on. So, I challenge you to read the book and then we can have an informed discussion instead of a
useless replay of political positions. Of course, I could get upset and chop off your head like the Christians and Muslims, but on the same vein, you
could do the same to me. So when we get through chopping off our heads, I suspect that the world goes on doing its own thing, which it has been doing
for millions of years anyway.
You found a book that backed up your opinion. I won't dismiss reading it, but I have been researching the book, and well...... and I guess I just
can't buy your analogy --- two very different subjects. It just doesn't work. I have read the other side in the form of essays, etc., I just have
more faith in the scientists.
Meantime, our recent trip to the the far north in Canada educated us that there are no deniers up there. They are living with the changes that have
happened in the last few decades and sincerely concerned about the future as climate change is being accelerated by human activity. And that is not a
political opinion, it is based upon the many studies down by the scientists that you don't trust.
Ni modo --- I can't wait to hear from some about the fact that Obama is in Alaska right now to personally witness many of the changes.
Oh, the question that is never answered is the conspiracy theory that somehow all of this is to gain money and control --- that has never been
explained. :-)
Besides, if we made the changes to start taking better care of our earth and we later find out that it really is not a crisis, all we end up with is a
better world to leave to our grandchildren.
As a side note, before anyone buys the outrage of some of the right wing about Obama "renaming" Mt. McKinley to Denali, please know that in Alaska it
is known as Denali and do watch this video by the Conservative Senator from Alaska. Of course, some of the biggest noise is from Ohio politicians,
McKinley's home state. :-)
If the sea levels are rising then that means all the mountain tops are lower since the height is in Feet Above Mean Sea Level. Think of all the maps
that will need to be changed.
"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen.
The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back
if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Theodore Roosevelt
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