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#NotMyPresident -- not now not ever; embarrassed to see him in the WH; ashamed to admit I'm a US citizen. I'm Canadian and Mexican until he's run
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This statement really bugs me.
You didn't have to have voted for him. You don't have to like him or his policies and administration. But if you are an American citizen, he IS your
president. Good or bad (and I suspect this depends on someone's personal feelings :lol , Trump won the electoral college vote and that makes him the President of all Americans.
Now if you really don't want him to be YOUR President then the US has an option for that. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship.html
So suck it up for the rest of his term and work to get somebody you like elected next time. Or work to get Trump re-elected if you like what he's
doing a few years from now. But in the mean time we Americans all have the same POTUS.
/Rant off
[Edited on 3-3-2017 by mjs] |
We have 2 immediate options. First, dial up the pressure so fbi eventually reveals truth that trump committed treason and election fraud by colluding
with russian govt. second, keep working on effort for california to secede.
[Edited on 3-3-2017 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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to support the charge.
My computer glitched so 2 posts to finish the thought pattern!
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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Obviously I'm having computer issues > Back later when the ISP gets it handled.
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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There MUST be a THOUSAND Things .........
That ANYONE could do which would have a greater likelihood of success than appearing SO foolish working at supporting CALEXIT.
Even (the fictional character) Don Quixote wasn't THAT Nutty.
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | That ANYONE could do which would have a greater likelihood of success than appearing SO foolish working at supporting CALEXIT.
Even (the fictional character) Don Quixote wasn't THAT Nutty. |
California pays way more in federal taxes than it gets in return (we pay $136 for every $100 we receive). California is the economic engine that
carries all the lard butt red states. flock the red states! California will do great if we quit paying the bills for the backwards red neck states!
Calexit is right for California! The only people against it are the welfare-sucking red states like Arizona, Alabama, etc.
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Talk about being elitist and self-important! Egos that size fall eventually.
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You sound like a red state welfare queen!
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by mjs | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
#NotMyPresident -- not now not ever; embarrassed to see him in the WH; ashamed to admit I'm a US citizen. I'm Canadian and Mexican until he's run
out of office.
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This statement really bugs me.
You didn't have to have voted for him. You don't have to like him or his policies and administration. But if you are an American citizen, he IS your
president. Good or bad (and I suspect this depends on someone's personal feelings :lol, Trump won the electoral college vote and that makes him the President of all Americans.
Now if you really don't want him to be YOUR President then the US has an option for that. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship.html
So suck it up for the rest of his term and work to get somebody you like elected next time. Or work to get Trump re-elected if you like what he's
doing a few years from now. But in the mean time we Americans all have the same POTUS.
/Rant off
[Edited on 3-3-2017 by mjs] |
We have 2 immediate options. First, dial up the pressure so fbi eventually reveals truth that trump committed treason and election fraud by colluding
with russian govt. second, keep working on effort for california to secede.
[Edited on 3-3-2017 by mtgoat666] |
No, you're wrong again as usual. The two "immediate options" is for you to accept President Trump as your President or move your dead a$$ out of our
great nation... Now, how hard is that to understand?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by mjs | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
#NotMyPresident -- not now not ever; embarrassed to see him in the WH; ashamed to admit I'm a US citizen. I'm Canadian and Mexican until he's run
out of office.
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This statement really bugs me.
You didn't have to have voted for him. You don't have to like him or his policies and administration. But if you are an American citizen, he IS your
president. Good or bad (and I suspect this depends on someone's personal feelings :lol, Trump won the electoral college vote and that makes him the President of all Americans.
Now if you really don't want him to be YOUR President then the US has an option for that. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship.html
So suck it up for the rest of his term and work to get somebody you like elected next time. Or work to get Trump re-elected if you like what he's
doing a few years from now. But in the mean time we Americans all have the same POTUS.
/Rant off
[Edited on 3-3-2017 by mjs] |
We have 2 immediate options. First, dial up the pressure so fbi eventually reveals truth that trump committed treason and election fraud by colluding
with russian govt. second, keep working on effort for california to secede.
[Edited on 3-3-2017 by mtgoat666] |
No, you're wrong again as usual. The two "immediate options" is for you to accept President Trump as your President or move your dead a$$ out of our
great nation... Now, how hard is that to understand? |
After this mornings kooky twitter rant by trump (trump claims that he was wiretapped by Obama, because he read it on the internet), I suspect he will
be removed from office on grounds of mental incompetency, within a few months,... probably removed by August.
So, our best option is to reject him, as the overwhelming majority consensus will shortly be rejection of trump.
Bubba, wise up! Your trump guy is a narcissistic, kooky, incompetent freak that wears orange makeup and wears the freakiest hair style - the hair and
orange makeup should be enough to clue you in that he is totally off his rocker! Truth is stranger than fiction!
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PAY ATTENTION
The comment regarding the foolishness of those who "think" that CALEXIT is even a REMOTE possibility was not intended to address the
economic (or other) merits of such a move.
Rather, the sheer Idiocy of of believing that it could actually be done.
Given that it would take a Constitutional Amendment.
Good Luck with THAT.
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | The comment regarding the foolishness of those who "think" that CALEXIT is even a REMOTE possibility was not intended to address the
economic (or other) merits of such a move.
Rather, the sheer Idiocy of of believing that it could actually be done.
Given that it would take a Constitutional Amendment.
Good Luck with THAT.
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You assume that dissolutions of unions are peaceful affairs that follow established law. Bill, you are foolish, seceding from a union is never
pretty. California has massive military equipment stockpile; after we californiaize the USA military inside our state border, our California army,
navy and air guards will Reply to any any request we obtain a constitutional amendment from the country we divorce.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | The comment regarding the foolishness of those who "think" that CALEXIT is even a REMOTE possibility was not intended to address the
economic (or other) merits of such a move.
Rather, the sheer Idiocy of of believing that it could actually be done.
Given that it would take a Constitutional Amendment.
Good Luck with THAT.
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You assume that dissolutions of unions are peaceful affairs that follow established law. Bill, you are foolish, seceding from a union is never
pretty. California has massive military equipment stockpile; after we californiaize the USA military inside our state border, our California army,
navy and air guards will Reply to any any request we obtain a constitutional amendment from the country we divorce. |
Are you drunk or just disillusioned mtgoat?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | The comment regarding the foolishness of those who "think" that CALEXIT is even a REMOTE possibility was not intended to address the
economic (or other) merits of such a move.
Rather, the sheer Idiocy of of believing that it could actually be done.
Given that it would take a Constitutional Amendment.
Good Luck with THAT.
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You assume that dissolutions of unions are peaceful affairs that follow established law. Bill, you are foolish, seceding from a union is never
pretty. California has massive military equipment stockpile; after we californiaize the USA military inside our state border, our California army,
navy and air guards will Reply to any any request we obtain a constitutional amendment from the country we divorce. |
Are you drunk or just disillusioned mtgoat? |
The goat thinks out of the box -- refreshing!
If CA were to secede, I'd want to see NorCal secede from SoCal.
Hijacking this thread to the original OP: border security is last line of defense for the US. The agents work a very tough job -- we need them on
the wall, we want them on the wall. They make the US a safer place.
Give them a break and not a hard time. Give with a smile and gratitude. I recognize the principle, however, joe, goat and the kid are bringing
up. Best to pick and choose your battles in life. This shouldn't be one of them.
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The Unconstitutional border searches of your electronic devices is expected to get worse with this current Trump administration, unless Russia-gate
causes the impeachment of Trump, or he quits before being thrown out of office.
However, even if Trump is taken out, we are still stuck with Mike Pence, and DHS, head John Kelly, who runs the jack-booted thug operations, of CBP,
and the heartless border patrol, who have been reported cruising local San Diego elementary schools, and stopping parents with questions about their
immigration status, and in some cases, leaving crying children, while their parents are hauled way for being undocumented!
The CBP still uses their 2009 outed rules to get you to turn over your phones for random searches, but when the newer court rulings say the thugs,
still need to have at the very least "reasonable suspicion" to search your cell phone, camera, or computer.
The sad part is "reasonable suspicion" could be just about anything, but I would still ask the thugs, why they want to search your phone.
But be very careful with the CBP thugs, because they have been known to beat people who question them or look at them in the wrong way, and
transparency issues, and lawsuits against these Federal agencies aren't too good, compared to lawsuits against regular police departments that often
result in large judgments against the police departments, while rarely the rogue cop faces any kind of prosecution.
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Border Security Overreach Continues: DHS Wants Social Media Login Information
A border agent examines a smartphone. Now more than ever, it is apparent that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and its parent agency, the
Department of Homeland Security (DHS), are embarking on a broad campaign to invade the digital lives of innocent individuals.
The new DHS secretary, John Kelly, told a congressional committee this week that the department may soon demand login information (usernames and
passwords) for social media accounts from foreign visa applicants—at least those subject to the controversial executive order on terrorism and
immigration—and those who don’t comply will be denied entry into the United States. This effort to access both public and private communications
and associations is the latest move by a department that is overreaching its border security authority.
In December 2016, DHS began asking another subset of foreign visitors, those from Visa Waiver Countries, for their social media handles. DHS defended
itself by stating that not only would compliance be voluntary, the government only wanted to access publicly viewable social media posts: “If an
applicant chooses to answer this question, DHS will have timely visibility of the publicly available information on those platforms, consistent with
the privacy settings the applicant has set on the platforms.”
As we wrote last fall in comments to DHS, even seeking the ability to view the public social media posts of international travelers implicates the
universal human rights of free speech and privacy, and—importantly—the comparable constitutional rights of their American associates. Our
objections are still salient given that DHS may soon mandate access to both public and private social media content and contacts of another group of
foreigners visitors.
Moreover, as a practical matter, such vetting is unlikely to weed out terrorists as they would surely scrub their social media accounts prior to
seeking entry into the U.S.
Such border security overreach doesn’t stop there.
There have been several reports recently of CBP agents demanding access to social media information and digital devices of both American citizens and
legal permanent residents. Most disturbing are the invasive searches of Americans’ cell phones, where CBP has been accessing social media apps that
may reveal private posts and relationships, as well as emails, texts messages, browsing history, contact lists, photos—whatever is accessible via
the phone.
Such border searches of Americans’ digital devices and cloud content are unconstitutional absent individualized suspicion, specifically, a probable
cause warrant. In light of the DHS secretary’s statements this week, we fear that DHS may soon take the next step down this invasive path and demand
the login information for American travelers’ online accounts so that the government can peruse private, highly personal information without relying
on access to a mobile device.
These policies and practices of DHS/CBP must be chronicled and opposed.
read the rest here:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/border-security-overre...
[Edited on 3-5-2017 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | The comment regarding the foolishness of those who "think" that CALEXIT is even a REMOTE possibility was not intended to address the
economic (or other) merits of such a move.
Rather, the sheer Idiocy of of believing that it could actually be done.
Given that it would take a Constitutional Amendment.
Good Luck with THAT.
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You assume that dissolutions of unions are peaceful affairs that follow established law. Bill, you are foolish, seceding from a union is never
pretty. California has massive military equipment stockpile; after we californiaize the USA military inside our state border, our California army,
navy and air guards will Reply to any any request we obtain a constitutional amendment from the country we divorce. |
Are you drunk or just disillusioned mtgoat? |
After we secede, you'll Join the grumpuses and wrongheaded that we round up for re-education in the California people's work camps
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | The Unconstitutional border searches of your electronic devices is expected to get worse with this current Trump administration, unless Russia-gate
causes the impeachment of Trump, or he quits before being thrown out of office.
However, even if Trump is taken out, we are still stuck with Mike Pence, and DHS, head John Kelly, who runs the jack-booted thug operations, of CBP,
and the heartless border patrol, who have been reported cruising local San Diego elementary schools, and stopping parents with questions about their
immigration status, and in some cases, leaving crying children, while their parents are hauled way for being undocumented!
The CBP still uses their 2009 outed rules to get you to turn over your phones for random searches, but when the newer court rulings say the thugs,
still need to have at the very least "reasonable suspicion" to search your cell phone, camera, or computer.
The sad part is "reasonable suspicion" could be just about anything, but I would still ask the thugs, why they want to search your phone.
But be very careful with the CBP thugs, because they have been known to beat people who question them or look at them in the wrong way, and
transparency issues, and lawsuits against these Federal agencies aren't too good, compared to lawsuits against regular police departments that often
result in large judgments against the police departments, while rarely the rogue cop faces any kind of prosecution.
______________________________
Border Security Overreach Continues: DHS Wants Social Media Login Information
A border agent examines a smartphone. Now more than ever, it is apparent that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and its parent agency, the
Department of Homeland Security (DHS), are embarking on a broad campaign to invade the digital lives of innocent individuals.
The new DHS secretary, John Kelly, told a congressional committee this week that the department may soon demand login information (usernames and
passwords) for social media accounts from foreign visa applicants—at least those subject to the controversial executive order on terrorism and
immigration—and those who don’t comply will be denied entry into the United States. This effort to access both public and private communications
and associations is the latest move by a department that is overreaching its border security authority.
In December 2016, DHS began asking another subset of foreign visitors, those from Visa Waiver Countries, for their social media handles. DHS defended
itself by stating that not only would compliance be voluntary, the government only wanted to access publicly viewable social media posts: “If an
applicant chooses to answer this question, DHS will have timely visibility of the publicly available information on those platforms, consistent with
the privacy settings the applicant has set on the platforms.”
As we wrote last fall in comments to DHS, even seeking the ability to view the public social media posts of international travelers implicates the
universal human rights of free speech and privacy, and—importantly—the comparable constitutional rights of their American associates. Our
objections are still salient given that DHS may soon mandate access to both public and private social media content and contacts of another group of
foreigners visitors.
Moreover, as a practical matter, such vetting is unlikely to weed out terrorists as they would surely scrub their social media accounts prior to
seeking entry into the U.S.
Such border security overreach doesn’t stop there.
There have been several reports recently of CBP agents demanding access to social media information and digital devices of both American citizens and
legal permanent residents. Most disturbing are the invasive searches of Americans’ cell phones, where CBP has been accessing social media apps that
may reveal private posts and relationships, as well as emails, texts messages, browsing history, contact lists, photos—whatever is accessible via
the phone.
Such border searches of Americans’ digital devices and cloud content are unconstitutional absent individualized suspicion, specifically, a probable
cause warrant. In light of the DHS secretary’s statements this week, we fear that DHS may soon take the next step down this invasive path and demand
the login information for American travelers’ online accounts so that the government can peruse private, highly personal information without relying
on access to a mobile device.
These policies and practices of DHS/CBP must be chronicled and opposed.
read the rest here:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/border-security-overre...
[Edited on 3-5-2017 by JoeJustJoe] |
You must have had an encounter with the border folks. If you fit the profile, sorry to hear that.
I have no solution to the search/seize issues. Profiling isn't PC but it's done -- and the agents have wide authority as do most LE officers when
they suspect something isn't right.
Think some want it both ways. Constitutional rights not trampled on, terrorists kept out of the US.
As for the undocumented being rounded up, there's no easy answer. Got one Joe? Ignore them? Amnesty?
Maybe one day there'll be an easy way to document all the millions in the US illegally. For now, they have to go. If anyone has a better
solution, let's hear it.
(Think anyone born in the US from undocumented parents should have citizenship voided. Who's idea was that?)
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
You must have had an encounter with the border folks. If you fit the profile, sorry to hear that.
I have no solution to the search/seize issues. Profiling isn't PC but it's done -- and the agents have wide authority as do most LE officers when
they suspect something isn't right.
Think some want it both ways. Constitutional rights not trampled on, terrorists kept out of the US.
As for the undocumented being rounded up, there's no easy answer. Got one Joe? Ignore them? Amnesty?
Maybe one day there'll be an easy way to document all the millions in the US illegally. For now, they have to go. If anyone has a better
solution, let's hear it.
(Think anyone born in the US from undocumented parents should have citizenship voided. Who's idea was that?)
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Well, actually I have never had a very negative encounter with the border folks, except for the occasional rude CBP agent, but I have witnessed both
Americans and foreigners treated very badly, and I follow many border issues with some of the DHS agents from beating immigrants to death in their
custody, to border patrol agents using a disproportionately amount of force against a Mexican immigrant kid, allegedly throwing rocks, but the
Mexican kids are sometimes shot in the back, and rarely if ever are border patrol agents brought to justice.
There is now a Supreme Court case where a U.S. Border Patrol agent shot and killed an unarmed Mexican national from across the US/Mexico border on
Mexico's side, who was just hiding behind a column. The BP agent, shot the Mexican boy dead, and then the BP agent jumps on his bike and just leaves
the kid to die.
The boys family is trying to sue for wrongful death, and DHS is fighting the lawsuit because the death didn't happen on US soil.
Here is the article about the case:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/515625917/supreme-court-to-dec...
I have more trouble with US street cops in the states, than either the FED, or Mexican cops, who also sometimes do random stops that are probably
also Unconstitutional according to Mexico's Constitution.
According to some who study these issues, checking through cell phones, and looking thought social media profiles like Facebook, is unlikely to make
us any safer, because real terrorists, are likely to scrub their social media accounts, and computer clean before they come over the border.
I'm surprised Lee, that you are calling for the deportation of 11 million undocumented Mexican aliens, and I'll quote you, " For now, they have to
go."
Really? What do you have in mind, Holocaust or ethnic cleansing type trains running 24 hours day and night back to Mexico?
Sorry, that's a Trump, Trumpster's wet-dream, it will never happen, because even Mexicans have due process rights, and besides it would cost millions
and millions of dollars. It would also leave work shortages in the US.
If Trump wants to deport Mexican undocumented workers, he should do what he said, and concentrate on those Mexicans that committed dangerous
felonies, and not administrative crimes, like crossing the border without papers.
[Edited on 3-5-2017 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
I'm surprised Lee, that you are calling for the deportation of 11 million undocumented Mexican aliens, and I'll quote you, " For now, they have to
go."
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Really, I'm at a loss, as have been public officials, as to what to do. All I'm thinking is something has to be done. To me, amnesty (I guess)
should be debated and looked at. Along with all the other ways to take care of this issue. I don't know how else to solve this problem.
If you have an idea Joe, let's read it. If you choose amnesty, I'll just think there are no other solutions available. I don't see real
solutions bantered around. And realistically, you're probably right -- it's probably not possible to export that many undocumented people.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
I'm surprised Lee, that you are calling for the deportation of 11 million undocumented Mexican aliens, and I'll quote you, " For now, they have to
go."
[Edited on 3-5-2017 by JoeJustJoe] |
Really, I'm at a loss, as have been public officials, as to what to do. All I'm thinking is something has to be done. To me, amnesty (I guess)
should be debated and looked at. Along with all the other ways to take care of this issue. I don't know how else to solve this problem.
If you have an idea Joe, let's read it. If you choose amnesty, I'll just think there are no other solutions available. I don't see real
solutions bantered around. And realistically, you're probably right -- it's probably not possible to export that many undocumented people.
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How about if they have been working and paying taxes and stayed out of trouble, those in that productive category be given a fast track to
citizenship? As to anyone who has been mooching on hardworking US taxpayers and living off welfare, they will have to be deported to country of origin
and start over with the legal process of immigration. The criminals are properly being rounded up now and being deported.
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What are illegals supposed to do to prove they pay taxes, say this is the social security number I stole and paid into? These are the false names I
used? It's very tough to separate good from bad when its all based on false info?
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