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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  | You have a link to the Baja Cactus info??
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | The shootout was over 7 miles south from El Rosario, in the desert, not in town... NO TOURISTS HURT.
This from BajaCactus:
Shootout at Km 73.5 south of El Rosario. A private vehicle was shot... 3 policemen involved... 2 injured... 1 dead. An American couple arrived
after the shootout and transported an injured policeman to El Rosario... No civilian were injured. Desert Hawks deployed paramedics and volunteers to
assist... Injured police were treated and sent to a major hospital in Col. Vicente Guerrero. I just realized we need to find a couple of bulletproof
vests to have in the ambulances and wear in this cases. Many police forces arrived to El Rosario... Military, marines, federal police, state police,
municipal police... Everyone. All our Hawks are safely back to base. |
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Antonio emailed me, after I asked him if there was a shooting and if there were tourists involved, since Ralph thinks it necessary to tarnish the town
as much as possible, as it was an obvious attempt to irritate some of us. I copied and pasted HIS (Antonio's or 'BajaCactus') exact words. Noticed I
put it italics.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy | You have a link to the Baja Cactus info??
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | The shootout was over 7 miles south from El Rosario, in the desert, not in town... NO TOURISTS HURT.
This from BajaCactus:
Shootout at Km 73.5 south of El Rosario. A private vehicle was shot... 3 policemen involved... 2 injured... 1 dead. An American couple arrived
after the shootout and transported an injured policeman to El Rosario... No civilian were injured. Desert Hawks deployed paramedics and volunteers to
assist... Injured police were treated and sent to a major hospital in Col. Vicente Guerrero. I just realized we need to find a couple of bulletproof
vests to have in the ambulances and wear in this cases. Many police forces arrived to El Rosario... Military, marines, federal police, state police,
municipal police... Everyone. All our Hawks are safely back to base. |
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Antonio emailed me, after I asked him if there was a shooting and if there were tourists involved, since Ralph thinks it necessary to tarnish the town
as much as possible, as it was an obvious attempt to irritate some of us. I copied and pasted HIS (Antonio's or 'BajaCactus') exact words. Noticed I
put it italics.
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There you go, the chief of deception again. I did nothing to tarnish the town other than to report the news Lay off the orange kool-aide and maybe
things won't be so obvious to you. or are you just irritated that I posted something. Next you will take to posting your lies on Twitter.
[Edited on 3-30-2017 by rts551]
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rts551
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You haven't started to take the orange Kool-aid as well have you?
| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | Eyewitness said it involved a heAd-on collision. Does eyewitness know spanish? Maybe it was a car accident and no shooting?
Seems all versions of story are incomplete.
We'll probably never know...
| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Just the facts, My A$$. Eye witness who transported the victim is over on talk baja. Has a different story than you David K.
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I think dk repeated info from the ambulance. And the tb eyewitness acount was from someone that left the scene before ambulance arrived.
Eyewitness accounts are often conflicting.
This may be a case where alternative facts are each indeed factual.
(OMG! Am i defending dk?!?!?!?)
[Edited on 3-29-2017 by mtgoat666] |
Eyewitness...took the injured to the clinic. Ambulance got there after the injured had been transported. DK's bold heading "now for the facts".
Guess he jumped the gun.
[Edited on 3-29-2017 by rts551] |
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"ralph the tarnisher"  ....DK comin' after you with some bon ami!
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Yes nothing better to do than go after poor little El Rosario. Guess I had better stop donating to the Halcones. 
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Update
Photo of car and updated information
http://www.elvigia.net/general/2017/3/30/asesinan-mando-poli...
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David K
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Thanks Terry...
Here is the Google Translation link of that story: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&...
In summary, law enforcement personnel were attacked on the highway, out in the desert, as they were driving from the El Marmol delegation (not sure if
that now is in Cataviña or still in Guayaquil) to San Quintin.
No head-on, no tourists... just (sadly) another example of the war between law enforcement and the drug cartels.
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bajaguy
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I think when the dust clears this event will be found to be a targeted hit to one or more people in the car
| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Thanks Terry...
Here is the Google Translation link of that story: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&...
In summary, law enforcement personnel were attacked on the highway, out in the desert, as they were driving from the El Marmol delegation (not sure if
that now is in Cataviña or still in Guayaquil) to San Quintin.
No head-on, no tourists... just (sadly) another example of the war between law enforcement and the drug cartels. |
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BajaCactus
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Hello friends,
Thanks to all for always being ready to help and support the activities of Desert Hawks. Regarding the shooting that happened a few days ago near town
everyone has a little piece of true... this is what happened:
-- March 29th, 2017
Desert Hawks receives a call from the local police station around 10:10 am requesting assistance to help injured police officers involved in a
shooting. We immediately activated our volunteers. Information on the shooting and location was sketchy at the moment.
Our protocol is for volunteers to get ready, go to BajaCactus, where we have our ambulances, and wait for instructions/confirmation of the emergency
location/status.
I was in El Rosario at the moment and also responded to assist. On my way to BajaCactus, I decided to stop at the Police Station to request more info.
Upon arrival I noticed a lady, US citizen, was in distress walking around trying to tell something to some civilians outside, but apparently nobody
understood because of the language barrier. I immediately noticed she was in distress. I approach here and presented myself as a Paramedic... she
said: "we have an injured police officer in the back of our pickup truck".
Isela was in the car with me, so I told her to get our medical bag and meet me at the lady's vehicle. Police officer was all cover in blood due to a
shot impact received in his left arm, a little below the wrist. Also, he had lacerations and contusions in his face and forehead.
After a quick evaluation we realized he had an active hemorrhage but his life was not in immediate danger. He mentioned he and two other police
officers were on their way to San Quintin, on a private car, off duty, to enjoy a couple of days of rest. They just finished their shift. At that
point he did not know what had happened to the others. There were just shot by another vehicle on the highway south of El Rosario.
Instead of taking the police officer out of the pickup we asked the US couple to please take him to the nearest Health Center, just a few hundred
meters away. We were going to follow in our car.
At that point, Desert Hawks volunteers arrived at the base and reported ready to be deployed.
I then quickly went into the Police Station and requested more info on where they needed us. The Police chief was alone inside, on the phone, very
busy... he said: "I do not know... I think a police officer is at the IMSS clinic... please standby". I told him about the Police officer outside and
that I had sent him to the Health Center... he did not know but said: "please standby"... You could noticed he was very stressed at that point.
So, went out the Police Station, and headed to the Health Center. At the same time called our volunteers on standby and told them to go to the IMSS
clinic to see if they had an injured police officer there and help out if needed...
*** An emergency coming in... to be continued ***
Antonio Muñoz
BajaCactus
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David K
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Thank you for sharing this Antonio.
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Thanks, Antonio. Big hugs to all affected!
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Thanks Antonio. You guys do excellent work and are true desert angels. Time for another call for donations!
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BajaCactus
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Shooting south of El Rosario... part II
Sorry for the interruption... an emergency call came in while redacting the previous part and I had to coordinate our volunteers to respond... here
you have the the rest of the story of the shooting south of El Rosario:
... So, went out the Police Station, and headed to the Health Center. At the same time called our volunteers on standby and told them to go to the
IMSS clinic to see if they had an injured police officer there and help out if needed...
I arrived to the Health Center where a couple of US citizens helped brought the injured police officer, only to find out there were no doctors on
duty, only a young inexperienced nurse who was very scared when she saw what was happening. I realized we had to move the police man to a major
hospital, so I asked Isela to go into the Health Center and start treating the injuries while I went to our base to get an ambulance. Meanwhile, one
of our ambulances (Unit M21) was on its way to the IMSS clinic.
I got to our base, jump into an ambulance (Unit M12) and headed back to the Health Center... then I got a call from Unit M21, they just got to the
IMSS clinic, the second injured police officer was there, gunshot received on the left shoulder, apparently nothing very serious. He was being
attended so he could be moved to San Quintín. I asked our volunteers to help out and wait for further instructions there.
I arrived at the Health Center, were Isela had managed to put an IV on the first injured police officer and was already applying a splint and bandages
on the injury. Put the police man inside of our ambulance and headed to the IMSS clinic where there were doctors and the other police officer.
I then received a radio call from the Police chief, who was on his way to the shooting site, asking for an update status and warning us that
everything appeared to had been a hit and to be on alert, shooters could still be around trying to "finish the job" and we had one of the witnesses on
our ambulance. He had no police officers to escort us at the time.
At that point in time, there were only 5 police officers in duty in El Rosario: 2 were on their way to the shooting site, 1 was at the Police Station
and the other 2 were at the IMSS clinic.
So, we rush to the IMSS clinic and while delivering our injured police officer to the doctor, we got a second radio call from the Police Chief, he had
reached the shooting site and requested an ambulance asap.
So, Isela and I jumped back into ambulance M12 and instructed our other volunteers in ambulance M21 to remain behind to transport both injured police
officers to San Quintin as soon as the doctor released them.
Headed Code 3 to the shooting site and upon arrival we saw one Military truck already on scene with 8 or 10 soldiers deployed around the site scene in
a "defense" position. The Police Chief and a police officer were also there.
Police Chief asked us to check on a third Police Officer injured inside a black vehicle. Unfortunately ha had already passed away... shotgun to the
head.
Then Police Chief said: "please be on alert, we do not know yet who the shooters were or even how many there are, they could still be on the area,
advise your other ambulance to do the same, we are short on personnel at the moment, but we need you to stay put here for now in case needed. More
help is on the way".
So, there we were, two ambulances deployed, unit M21 at the IMSS clinic with the only two alive witnesses of the shooting and two police officers
guarding the area. Unit M12 at the shooting site among a few soldiers and two police officers.
10 minutes later we receive a radio call from our Ambulance at the IMSS clinic, the two injured police officers were ready to be transported to San
Quintin, they were asking for us to help to do so... but without any police escort. The two officers guarding there had to remain behind.
I approached the Police Chief there with me and explained the two injured police officers at the IMSS clinic were ready to be transported to a
hospital in San Quintin but that I was not willing to put our volunteers at further risk by sending the ambulance without a Police and/or military
escort... he was kind of disappointed but understood. After a few radio calls on his part he informed everything had been resolved: one police officer
was going to be transported in a Private Vehicle, the other in a Police car. So I dismissed the ambulance at the IMSS clinic on standby.
A few minutes later another military truck and one from the marines arrived at the shooting site. Soldiers and Marines were immediately deployed
around the area.
At that point we were surrounded by around 30 military and a couple of police officers, all with heavy riffles and bulletproof vests... everyone still
on a very defensive position. I told Isela: "you see, we have to be the bravest ones in here, we are the only ones without guns or vests...
hehehehe"...
Even though a retaliation from the shooters did not seem likely to me at the shooting site at that point, it did not stopped me from thinking we were
in a dangerous situation. I was more worried earlier before when we were in town helping the injured police officers without so little police
coverage.
During the next 30 minutes more military arrived, along with personnel from the Municipal Police in San Quintin, State Police and Federal Police...
everyone armed.
At one point I counted over 80 armed personnel, all with heavy guns and bulletproof vests... I did not felt worry anymore... it would have been really
stupid for the shooters to come back at that point... but without guns and vests Isela and I felt "out of fashion"... hehehehe
Well... there you have it... the shooting was a hit on three Police officers from Cataviña who were off duty driving northbound on a Private vehicle
at Km mark 73.4. Two were injured, one dead (the Cataviña Police Chief). According to one of the injured police officers, they shot back, but it is
unknown if any of the hitman were injured. The highway was closed for a few hours in both directions while the investigations took place. Desert Hawks
stayed at the shooting site for a few hours (mainly because our radio system was the only one with clear strong communications out of there), until
dismissed by the Police Chief. The pickup truck used to make the hit was found a couple of hours later by the military, off road, two kilometers south
of El Rosario, in a canyon near the coastline.
Lately the San Quintin area has been suffering from this kind of violence, more than 30 people shot dead have been reported in the past few months and
now the violence has spread to our area.
This got me thinking that this may not be the last time we have to respond to help fellow officers in distress. Desert Hawks is not ready for this
type of situations. I need to prepare our volunteers. It only takes one time to get injured or shot. Better ready than sorry.
I appreciate the offer to help us get some kind of bulletproof body armor. I do not believe we need something to heavy or sophisticated. We will not
be using it on a daily basis (I hope)... but it would be very good to have a couple so we could use them if needed. Perhaps someone here with more
knowledge in this field could advice. Do not worry about crossing the border, we can receive any donations in an address we have in San Diego and I
can take care of bringing them down to El Rosario.
On my end, I have already contacted an organization, conformed by military and police officers, that will help our Desert Hawks volunteers in the
training of Tactical Medical Emergencies. We just need to coordinate the timing.
Thanks again to all for your outstanding support and help.
Together we can save lives!!!
Antonio Muñoz
Desert Hawks Fire and Rescue
Non-Profit Organization
[Edited on 4-2-2017 by BajaCactus]
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Antonio..check your U2U
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If no one else has a source for good lightweight vests I can talk to some people I am acquaintances with to find a price on the good light ones. I
know anything is better than nothing when bullets are flying but if the volunteers aren't training in heavy vests and used to them than the crappy
heavy vests (easily available to the public) could end up hurting them if they needed to move quickly in that type of situation.
Let me know and I can find the vests and maybe a fundraiser type thing could be organized to buy them.
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thanks so much for taking the time to report the shootings Antonio...your staff was indeed at risk!
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I am planning on driving down through the desert south of El Rosario over Easter week. It sounds like Baja is getting unsafe again. Because I have
also heard through a resident of La Paz that there have been multiple shootings/killings in both Cabo and La Paz. I don't want to get caught in the
middle of some mess down there. Is anyone (military) patrolling the desert? I like it better when my biggest concern is breaking down..... Thinking
of cancelling my plans.
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Antonio, I work at a clinic. If there is anything you need, please let me know and I will see if I can get you supplies. Amazing what you do!
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Drove Northbound from Loreto and crossed that area on Thursday. No unusual activity by authorities that I noticed. I thought there was going to be
some type of military presence between Catavina and El Rosario but nothing different that I could see. Military checkpoints were the same with no
stepped up inspections.
As anywhere, just keep your eyes open and be aware of your surroundings.
I still feel safer in most of Baja that most large U.S. cities.
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajachris | | I am planning on driving down through the desert south of El Rosario over Easter week. It sounds like Baja is getting unsafe again. Because I have
also heard through a resident of La Paz that there have been multiple shootings/killings in both Cabo and La Paz. I don't want to get caught in the
middle of some mess down there. Is anyone (military) patrolling the desert? I like it better when my biggest concern is breaking down..... Thinking
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The shooting was on the highway... Camp away from the pavement for safety.
The shooting was a HIT on the police. Don't become a cop in Mexico. Don't get into the drug business in Mexico either. There are far more shootings
every DAY in the United States of non-criminal Americans than in a dozen YEARS in Mexico.
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