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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 12:34 PM


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I’m coming from Tecate and doing a day or two of exploring. I have a suv with 4wd and want to go a little off the beaten path.


Here's your "off the beaten path" route -- how about taking the old dirt Rumorosa Road down the hill?





Yes! That looks awesome. How do I get there? I looked at google maps and there looks like a few different route, but I can’t trace them all the way down the grade
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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 12:36 PM


Great map Stuck! If you zoom in at the Hwy. 2 symbol by the toll booth you can see how old highway 2 swung away to the edge of the mountain (my photo above)... and out-of-sight it swings back north and is soon covered over by the new highway. The new highway downhill side seems to be built over the old Highway 2 roadbed.



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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 01:22 PM


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Yes! That looks awesome. How do I get there? I looked at google maps and there looks like a few different route, but I can’t trace them all the way down the grade


La Rumorosa Google Maps

If you have problems with high anxiety (thanks, Mel Brooks), you might want to avoid this road. In my Tacoma, several of the switchbacks required multi-point turns. Drop down the switchbacks into the arroyo, then follow it to the toll road at the bottom. If you want, you can easily join the toll road near the military checkpoint/new Pemex station.


Luckily I don’t get animus too easily, although i am a very careful driver. Is that road unpacked most of the way down? It looks like it is paved at the top for a few miles before it looops back to the toll road and then there are dirt roads everywhere
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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 01:28 PM


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Is that road unpacked most of the way down? It looks like it is paved at the top for a few miles before it looops back to the toll road and then there are dirt roads everywhere


The dirt road down has nothing to do with the toll road. Once you leave the town of Rumorosa, the road is a single track road, hard pack, with varying degrees of rocks. The road is narrow, so few places to pass should you see other traffic.




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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 01:30 PM


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Yes! That looks awesome. How do I get there? I looked at google maps and there looks like a few different route, but I can’t trace them all the way down the grade


La Rumorosa Google Maps

If you have problems with high anxiety (thanks, Mel Brooks), you might want to avoid this road. In my Tacoma, several of the switchbacks required multi-point turns. Drop down the switchbacks into the arroyo, then follow it to the toll road at the bottom. If you want, you can easily join the toll road near the military checkpoint/new Pemex station.


Luckily I don’t get anxious too easily, although i am a very careful driver. Is that road unpaved most of the way down? It looks like it is paved at the top for a few miles before it looops back to the toll road and then there are dirt roads everywhere


Thank you for highlighting that route!

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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 01:33 PM


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Another side trip is to drive south from La Rumorosa to the Parque Nacional at Laguna Hanson (small scenic lake), approx 38 miles of dirt road. 2WD except during and after winter storms. Elevations between 4,000' and 6,000' into the pine forests and granite crags of the Sierra de Juárez.

Perhaps visit Rancho el Topo, a working cattle ranch. Horseback riding is available at a reasonable price. Ricardo Sandoval is fluent in English and welcomes visitors. A well-signed turnoff is just beyond the KM35 marker on that road.
https://www.facebook.com/RanchoElTopoSierraDeJuarez/


Thank you for all your suggestions! I’ll add those on my list in addition to trying to find the road where License to Kill was filmed!!
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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 01:40 PM


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Use Google Earth to pre-plan your access. We were at La Rumorosa rest stop (just southwest of the toll gate) as Baja 1000 pre-runners were heading for the dirt grade down the mountain passed by on the paved street alongside the highway rest stop bathroom building...

This photo is of the original Hwy. 2 heading to the Cantu Grade from La Rumorosa as seen from the rest stop... Nov. 2008.



In the 1960s, we did drive Hwy. 2 up the grade, once... never again on the old paved road. Many Mexicans back in the day would cross into the United States at Calexico and drive U.S. Hwy. 80 (which became Interstate 8) and cross back at Tijuana until the current 4-lane highway in Mexico was completed. That was before hours-long border waits became the norm after 9-11-2001.


So it was that much crazier before? I know it was a two lane highway and that trucks could slow things down, but it sounds like the same road that exists now was (eastbound) is the same road that was used before, only I’m sure the road was narrower with less guard failed, sharper turns and had oncoming traffic. The licence to Kill documentary said that they used part of the road that was bypassed because it was the most dangerous part, where apparently a majority of the cars would fall and the part they thought was haunted. I don’t know how much of what they said in the documentary is true or if they are embellishing, but they thought part of the toll highway was rerouted from the old highway in at least one spot.
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Well, if it is still there, then you will see it on satellite images. I just noticed that just around the corner from my photo the old road seem to go right into the downhill lanes of the new road... As you can see the grade up and using a different route than the grade down, now.

Perhaps, they closed the downhill grade for filming? I just don't see any other paved roads going down the mountain beside the new highway.




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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 02:34 PM


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Well, if it is still there, then you will see it on satellite images. I just noticed that just around the corner from my photo the old road seem to go right into the downhill lanes of the new road... As you can see the grade up and using a different route than the grade down, now.

Perhaps, they closed the downhill grade for filming? I just don't see any other paved roads going down the mountain beside the new highway.

I agree. Thanks for all your help. Looks like quite an adventure!
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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 03:05 PM


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Is that road unpacked most of the way down? It looks like it is paved at the top for a few miles before it looops back to the toll road and then there are dirt roads everywhere


The dirt road down has nothing to do with the toll road. Once you leave the town of Rumorosa, the road is a single track road, hard pack, with varying degrees of rocks. The road is narrow, so few places to pass should you see other traffic.


Is that road where all the accidents occurred? That road looks pretty crazy but adventurous
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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 03:26 PM


All the accidents were on the original paved Hwy. 2 road, replaced by the divided (2 lanes up/2 lanes down) toll highway... There are still MANY accidents on it... primarily cargo trucks going over the side!



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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 03:51 PM


The turn off for the dirt road down the mountain is at
32-33.13x116-02.51



Bear right onto the dirt road down 32-33.13x116-01.99





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All the accidents were on the original paved Hwy. 2 road, replaced by the divided (2 lanes up/2 lanes down) toll highway... There are still MANY accidents on it... primarily cargo trucks going over the side!


That’s nuts! How does this road compare to the 8 east of Jacumba in the us? I take that to work about once a week from San Diego. Beautiful drive.
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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 04:15 PM


Not even close... but compared to the 2 lane road it replaced 2-D is much better... as you can pass all the slow trucks.

I-8 is high-speed freeway top to bottom.
2-D has several sharp turns, and being 2-lanes in each direction, allows you to cut across for the curves IF the lane is free. Now, it is fine for all cars to use... and I use it a lot since I only cross at Tecate and usually use Hwy. 5 in Baja for getting south/north.. so I must use 2-D to get from Hwy. 5 over to Tecate the fastest.




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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 04:16 PM


Lots of videos on youtube. Mostly street bikes.
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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 04:49 PM


Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
The turn off for the dirt road down the mountain is at
32-33.13x116-02.51



Bear right onto the dirt road down 32-33.13x116-01.99





[Edited on 1-3-2018 by TMW]


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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 05:12 PM


Use care there is now a big rock blocking the way. Three rigs went down one had fender damage. The other two spotted and made it clear.
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Use care there is now a big rock blocking the way. Three rigs went down one had fender damage. The other two spotted and made it clear.


I will, if I can’t get on the toll road from there, I’ll at least take the dirt roads for a little as I explore
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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 06:14 PM


Here's what some of dirt Rumorosa looks like -- not a good place to get complacent.





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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 06:33 PM


Don’t worry about impassable old roads, you wont miss much if you can’t drive them, the scenery/topography is similar on paved road.
If you want to have a real adventure and see what everyone misses, then park along the highway or old road, amongst the boulder piles, and hike/scramble up a peak or ridge — the views are much more spectacular if you get high above the road atop the ridges and peaks — people on the road got no idea what they are missing. This is a good time of year to hike when weather is cool.




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