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Liberals got NOTHING from Trump other than a day or so of high fives.
NO DACA....NO TPS....
Trump offered 3 years of protected status...
3 years renewable
3 years protected status for TPS.
It's clear.....the liberals would rather punk Trump than they would protect DACA and TPS people.
All over chump change 4 billion bucks.
Ultra sad wouldn't you say?
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Quote: Originally posted by Timinator  | Keep patting yourself on the back. Democrats have so many wins and policies that work? WTF? I don't think so. We got Federal employee's paid, I
thought that was real point, no? Did you change the goal again to suit your agenda? Of course you did. In addition, in 21 days, we'll start
building the wall with our without you. So, it's a win for Federal workers, and it's a win for We the People. This is only going to illustrate how
incompetent Nancy Pelosi is as Speaker and the entire Democrat side of Congress is. Nothing more. Cheers mates.
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Timinator, you're fooling yourself if you believe the wall will start to be built in 21 days. Mr Bill, also talked along those same lines that Trump,
can still declare a state of emergency and claim some type of victory, but I think even Mr Bill, knows this will be stuck in the federal courts for
years, and with no new wall built soon, we will have a new Democrat President, in 2020, and the wall will be all but forgotten.
What Trump, should have did was instead of suffering a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Congresswoman, from San Francisco, when he got nothing
in return for shutting down the government for over 30 days. He should have declared his emergency, and re-opened the government.
Now he looks weak and inept, because most everyone who follow politics knows the Democrats, will not give him that wall and give him that win he so
desperately needs.
Oh there will be some like DaliDali, claiming it's not political but rather it's an emergency safety issue. Hogwash, it's like Trump told the Mexican
President, the wall is the least important thing but politically it's everything.( I don't have his exact quote but I'm sure I'm close)
The wall is just symbolic for the base, and sorry there will be no wall.
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The real loser once again is the public. Nancy had a huge opportunity to actually accomplish something but instead chose to throw it away just so she
can say FU to Trump. In exchange for a few more miles of wall she could have negotiated a huge win for DACA and shown herself to be a real leader and
superb negotiator. Instead she threw away that chance and ends up just looking petty. I think in the end smarter minds will prevail and Trump will
get a few more miles of barricades and real progress will get made on DACA but Nancy won't be able to claim credit.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alan | | The real loser once again is the public. Nancy had a huge opportunity to actually accomplish something but instead chose to throw it away just so she
can say FU to Trump. In exchange for a few more miles of wall she could have negotiated a huge win for DACA and shown herself to be a real leader and
superb negotiator. Instead she threw away that chance and ends up just looking petty. I think in the end smarter minds will prevail and Trump will
get a few more miles of barricades and real progress will get made on DACA but Nancy won't be able to claim credit. |
The only DACA offer was a 3 year extension. Hardly a win for anyone except those that want to send those kids home.
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| Quote: Originally posted by norte | | Quote: Originally posted by Alan | | The real loser once again is the public. Nancy had a huge opportunity to actually accomplish something but instead chose to throw it away just so she
can say FU to Trump. In exchange for a few more miles of wall she could have negotiated a huge win for DACA and shown herself to be a real leader and
superb negotiator. Instead she threw away that chance and ends up just looking petty. I think in the end smarter minds will prevail and Trump will
get a few more miles of barricades and real progress will get made on DACA but Nancy won't be able to claim credit. |
The only DACA offer was a 3 year extension. Hardly a win for anyone except those that want to send those kids home.
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3 years with a reup of another 3 if needed.
And TPS people 3 years
Or NO years period .....on the fine deal Pelosi negotiated.
Gawd love her!!
Poking Trump was more important to her than the millions of dreamers........so sad
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Democrats Dismissed Trump's Gov Shutdown ending, DACA Deal as a Non-Starter," because it was more of the same BS,and he never even included
democrats in the negotiations, it was nothing but a Stephen Miller's wet dream.
Obama, already provided for DACA and TPS. It was Trump, who took it away, and now was only offering to give it back partially.
It would be like your neighbor stealing your car, but then coming back and telling your he will lease you your car back to you for three years, on the
condition, you provide money for his wall on his property. Screw that!
There is also the fact the federal courts stopped Trump, from deporting the dreamers, and since the supreme court, has not weighted in yet, and the
DACA kids probably have protection for another year maybe longer while the case goes through the federal courts.
So why roll the dice with Trump, for only a three year deal when the DACA kids want a more permanent solution and there is also the fact Trump's
deal, was only with the existing 700,000 kids. We want other DACA kids to get a deal too.
Trump's DACA plan was such a bad deal that even some of the dreamers, the ACLU, and many others told Pelosi, to say no.
The TPS deal was also very bad, but I'm not going into it right now.
Pelosi, has Trump, where she wants him. She knows, he learned his lesson, and he is unlikely to try to shut down the government again in three weeks.
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"Stealing a car" .... really 
Now that's a keeper
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Pelosi's favorable rating has dropped 6 percent within her Party since this all started. Trumps has remained steady, and still higher than Obummer's
was at this point in his Presidency.
The Wall will be built and it's coming to a border near you. Count on it.
Neither Pelosi and Schumer have met with ANY Border Patrol agents to access their requirements to better do their jobs. Not once.
Every single place along the US border where they've built a wall, it's worked and virtually stopped the flow immigrants over those sections.
Especially in San Diego county.
There are no facts or data that support the ability to stop the flow illegal aliens into the US without a wall. None. Drones, and early warning
sensors don't keep people out of the country.
Immigration laws need to be changed. Anchor babies, chain migrations, immediate deportation, visa overstays, sanctuary laws, etc., all need to be
updated. US citizens don't want waves of uneducated, lawless, illegals coming to our country waiving their country's flags trying to change our
country to theirs. Trust me, there are way, way, way, more people who fell like I do than who want open borders or who feel Nancy Pelosi has her
finger on the pulse of America.
So, with these laws needing to be changed, is there anybody who thinks a Democrat would tackle these issues? Again, look at every city or state run
by Democrats. If any of their policies worked, they'be be running on them and pointing to the them as examples. But it's all a lie, nothing more.
The Democrat party and their liberal followers are either on The Dole, in hiding, or are bought and paid for life long Union members. All, at the
expense of our country and all the rest of it's citizens. Facts don't lie, Democrats do.
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| Quote: Originally posted by norte | | Quote: Originally posted by Alan | | The real loser once again is the public. Nancy had a huge opportunity to actually accomplish something but instead chose to throw it away just so she
can say FU to Trump. In exchange for a few more miles of wall she could have negotiated a huge win for DACA and shown herself to be a real leader and
superb negotiator. Instead she threw away that chance and ends up just looking petty. I think in the end smarter minds will prevail and Trump will
get a few more miles of barricades and real progress will get made on DACA but Nancy won't be able to claim credit. |
The only DACA offer was a 3 year extension. Hardly a win for anyone except those that want to send those kids home.
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The 3 yr extension was nothing more than an initial offer. All she had to do was come to the table and as
much as Trump wants some barrier it could have been permanent.
I think something close to this will become the final deal because both sides want both items but Nancy lost the chance to be the architect. It will
either come out of committee or the Republicans will put it on the floor and enough Democrats will seize the deal.
[Edited on 1-28-2019 by Alan]
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Timinator, where do you get your information from? I suspect, it's "Breitbart," because very few things you say are based in reality.
The Trump's Gov shutdown, put Trump's poll numbers into a free fall of lower than 40 percent, and Trump, was blamed for the shutdown almost 2 to 1.
And while Congress usually has an extreme unfavorable rating, either democrat or republican, Pelosi, has come away looking like a queen, who beat
Trump, first by taking away his platform of speaking before congress, and then making Trump cave and re-open the government, while getting nothing in
return.
Timinator, you are speaking from both sides of your mouth, first you say, walls work where we already have walls. OK, then why do we need more walls?
Then where is the emergency that Trump, has to shut down the gov for force a longer wall? Is Trump, really going to close down the Gov again in three
weeks, to show that he really is insane?
The rank and file, at the border patrol, has not asked for a wall. They asked for more border agents, and more high tech tools to stop undocumented
aliens from coming over and I suspect that not many border patrol, agents supported the Gov shutdown, when they were not being paid.
Have you seen the news lately on Trump's golf courses, recently firing long time undocumented workers, who worked for Trump, for years, some as long
as 14 years? They presented Trump, management, with fake documents, and it's obvious, E-Verify, was never used, and Trump, and his management, knew
they were undocumented, but looked the other way, until the media found out.
One day some of you are going to wake up and learn Trump, is just playing you for votes.
| Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | Pelosi's favorable rating has dropped 6 percent within her Party since this all started. Trumps has remained steady, and still higher than Obummer's
was at this point in his Presidency.
The Wall will be built and it's coming to a border near you. Count on it.
Neither Pelosi and Schumer have met with ANY Border Patrol agents to access their requirements to better do their jobs. Not once.
Every single place along the US border where they've built a wall, it's worked and virtually stopped the flow immigrants over those sections.
Especially in San Diego county.
There are no facts or data that support the ability to stop the flow illegal aliens into the US without a wall. None. Drones, and early warning
sensors don't keep people out of the country.
Immigration laws need to be changed. Anchor babies, chain migrations, immediate deportation, visa overstays, sanctuary laws, etc., all need to be
updated. US citizens don't want waves of uneducated, lawless, illegals coming to our country waiving their country's flags trying to change our
country to theirs. Trust me, there are way, way, way, more people who fell like I do than who want open borders or who feel Nancy Pelosi has her
finger on the pulse of America.
So, with these laws needing to be changed, is there anybody who thinks a Democrat would tackle these issues? Again, look at every city or state run
by Democrats. If any of their policies worked, they'be be running on them and pointing to the them as examples. But it's all a lie, nothing more.
The Democrat party and their liberal followers are either on The Dole, in hiding, or are bought and paid for life long Union members. All, at the
expense of our country and all the rest of it's citizens. Facts don't lie, Democrats do. |
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Read the Sunday L.A. Times article about the "super wall" in Israel.
They just found six invasion tunnels built by Hezbollah and suspect many more. They dug tunnels at the bottom of a hill with the wall on top and just
come out the other side through hidden entrances, real simple.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | Read the Sunday L.A. Times article about the "super wall" in Israel.
They just found six invasion tunnels built by Hezbollah and suspect many more. They dug tunnels at the bottom of a hill with the wall on top and just
come out the other side through hidden entrances, real simple.
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Nothing is 100%. Are you suggesting that just because someone can break down your door or pick your lock
it would be beneficial to remove your door altogether?
Lets be reasonable and honest with each other. Everybody know walls work... to a point. Drive around La Paz. Nearly every single house is surrounded
by a wall. But everybody also knows they are just one component of their homes security that must get complemented by locked doors. And even that
gets complemented by security cameras, alarms, guards and many other options depending on your budget.
Someone suggested that we check with the rank and file Border Agents. I have listened to their Union Leaders in several interviews and they have
requested the additional barriers. In fact their Union Presidents explained that the 5.7B is not some arbitrary number that Trump pulled out of the
air but rather is the figure the Border Patrol officers have identified as what THEY needed. It includes barriers, technology and personnel.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | Liberals got NOTHING from Trump other than a day or so of high fives.
NO DACA....NO TPS....
Trump offered 3 years of protected status...
3 years renewable
3 years protected status for TPS.
It's clear.....the liberals would rather punk Trump than they would protect DACA and TPS people.
All over chump change 4 billion bucks.
Ultra sad wouldn't you say?
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You are being disingenuous Dalui. you know damned good and well the Libs wanted that protectiion to be permanent. trump wanted to appear to some as
being helpfull to dreamers when instead it was a way around coming up with a permanent solution.
I have no issues with the "wall" as long as Mexico pays for it - as promised. But apparently , that was just anothwer unkept promise? Don't
worry though, I'm sure the kickstarter campaign will reach its goal in very short order, so again, if the USA taxpayers are not paying for it -=
go right ahead.
You start taking money from the military to build a wall - i have real issues with that!
and By the way, we pay 13.6 million for a hiring firm to find 7500 new agents, and so far they have found 2! so we are paying 7 million per gaent.
good thing that firm has a 5 year contract with 300 million, that ought to work out
great!https://www.npr.org/2018/12/11/675923576/customs-border-and-protection-paid-a-firm-13-6-million-to-hire-recruits-it-hired
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"Chapo" Guzman has asked his attorneys to form a Corporation, "Tunnels R Us" to contract passages under any wall, priceing will be flexible and terms
can be arranged through Trump Finance Corp...
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | "Chapo" Guzman has asked his attorneys to form a Corporation, "Tunnels R Us" to contract passages under any wall, priceing will be flexible and terms
can be arranged through Trump Finance Corp... |
Hurry before Trump Finance declares bankruptcy.
Art of the deal and all that...........
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | Liberals got NOTHING from Trump other than a day or so of high fives.
NO DACA....NO TPS....
Trump offered 3 years of protected status...
3 years renewable
3 years protected status for TPS.
It's clear.....the liberals would rather punk Trump than they would protect DACA and TPS people.
All over chump change 4 billion bucks.
Ultra sad wouldn't you say?
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You are being disingenuous Dalui. you know damned good and well the Libs wanted that protectiion to be permanent. You start taking money from the
military to build a wall - i have real issues with that!
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Neither Pelosi or Schumer put a permanent DACA deal on the table.
What the hell do you expect?....Trump to negotiate with himself?
They NEVER put ANYTHING on the table...
It was NO wall....NO how from the get go.
Duh!!!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alan | Nothing is 100%. Are you suggesting that just because someone can break down your door or pick your lock it would be beneficial to remove your door
altogether?
Lets be reasonable and honest with each other. Everybody know walls work... to a point. Drive around La Paz. Nearly every single house is surrounded
by a wall. But everybody also knows they are just one component of their homes security that must get complemented by locked doors. And even that
gets complemented by security cameras, alarms, guards and many other options depending on your budget.
Someone suggested that we check with the rank and file Border Agents. I have listened to their Union Leaders in several interviews and they have
requested the additional barriers. In fact their Union Presidents explained that the 5.7B is not some arbitrary number that Trump pulled out of the
air but rather is the figure the Border Patrol officers have identified as what THEY needed. It includes barriers, technology and personnel.
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No not everybody agrees that walls work, and BTW I don't have a wall at my house, and most people live without walls. It's usually just rich people
who live behind wall, and it won't stop a determined person who will just climb over a wall, dig under the wall, or go around a wall.
I also agree with Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, who called called the border wall, medieval, and that Trump's border wall, is a 5th century solution to a 21st
century problem.
You say, check with the rank and file, yet you quote the border patrol union leaders, and others have quoted the head of the border patrol, and upper
management of the border patrol, who toe the company line.
What do you expect them to say? Do you actually think the suits are going to disagree with the boss, Trump?
Now here is an article that polled the rank and file border agents, on the ground, not the ones wearing suits or speaking for the union.
They asked for technology, and more border agent. They also admit, walls do not stop the drugs, because most drugs go right through the port of
entrance.....so it's another Trump lie that a wall will stop illegal drugs.
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What Border Agents Say They Want (It’s Not a Wall)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/politics/border-patrol...
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Alan | Nothing is 100%. Are you suggesting that just because someone can break down your door or pick your lock it would be beneficial to remove your door
altogether?
Lets be reasonable and honest with each other. Everybody know walls work... to a point. Drive around La Paz. Nearly every single house is surrounded
by a wall. But everybody also knows they are just one component of their homes security that must get complemented by locked doors. And even that
gets complemented by security cameras, alarms, guards and many other options depending on your budget.
Someone suggested that we check with the rank and file Border Agents. I have listened to their Union Leaders in several interviews and they have
requested the additional barriers. In fact their Union Presidents explained that the 5.7B is not some arbitrary number that Trump pulled out of the
air but rather is the figure the Border Patrol officers have identified as what THEY needed. It includes barriers, technology and personnel.
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What Border Agents Say They Want (It’s Not a Wall)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/politics/border-patrol...
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Or another view of the same agents...…..
The NBPC’s survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, found just the
opposite: A stunning 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent
disagreed.--------------------------------------
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patro...
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
Neither Pelosi or Schumer put a permanent DACA deal on the table.
What the hell do you expect?....Trump to negotiate with himself?
They NEVER put ANYTHING on the table...
It was NO wall....NO how from the get go.
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If I recall at that second meeting, Trump, slammed his hands down on the table, turned and walked out, after he demanded money for the wall from
Nancy, and Nancy said no.
In the 3rd meeting, which didn't include any democrats, the GOP, and mainly Trump, and Miller, crafted their only solution regarding opening up the
GOV, that the democrats called a non-starter.....then the next thing we knew is Trump caved.
So any negotiations were always one-sided, and Trump still lost.
Regarding the what the border patrol agents want. I would never trust anything they would say public, knowing they could be put in the dog house, if
they say the wrong words. ( but again, they never said anything about a wall covering the whole southern border)
It's interesting, Trump, was talking about a Wall from sea to sea. ( those are Trump's words not mine) Then instead of a wall, it's only a steal
slats, and now instead of wall, or steal slats the whole US border from sea to sea, or the whole southern border
Now the wall Trump wants, is not a concrete wall, but rather a wall of steal slats, and it's only going to be at strategic locations.
What happened? I bet the Chinese are laughing, because the great wall of China, covers pretty much the whole northern border, and not only at
strategic locations. Of course in this century, the Chinese would not make another great wall of China.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
Neither Pelosi or Schumer put a permanent DACA deal on the table.
What the hell do you expect?....Trump to negotiate with himself?
They NEVER put ANYTHING on the table...
It was NO wall....NO how from the get go.
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So they said "open the government and then we will talk wall" and that is what they did - why is that an issue. Now the government is open,
negotiations are taking place - so whats your issue? Why are we having this discussion? i thought Mexico was paying for the wall - Trump even had
a plan: said they Mexican government would "gladly" pay a one time cost of 25 billion. That would save em from tarrifs. and it was cheaper than
getting dinged with the tarrifs!
here you go:
An August 2015 campaign position paper said "Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do," the U.S. would "impound all remittance payments derived
from illegal wages," increase fees on visas and ports of entry into the U.S., and possibly implement tariffs or cut aid.
An April 2016 campaign memo outlined similar ways of pressuring Mexico. That plan explicitly said Mexico would make "a one-time payment of $5 - 10
billion" for the wall.
The memo also proposed threatening to block remittances from Mexican nationals in the U.S. back to Mexico – which the campaign said amounted to $24
billion a year. The plan was to then "tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the
wall," the rule blocking the money transfers would not be enacted.
"We have the leverage so Mexico will back down," the memo said.
So wheres that deal? why am I paying because Trump failed in his negotiations to build a monument to himself?
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