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David K
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Is there a list what Bloomberg is considering "greenhouse gasses" and then we can see how many are natural (like water vapor, CO2 from living things,
volcanoes, etc. man has no control over) vs. "industrial".
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gnukid
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Sill no evidence of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming ... yes the climate is changing both in consistent and unpredictable ways that have
little to do with human generated CO2 driving increasing temperature rise. If you have proof please share.
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MrBillM
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Feeling Comforted ?
" .........Sill[sic] no evidence of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming ........."
Assuming that positive proof might be forthcoming within decades .............. At that point, we'd be pretty well
SCREWED !
Right ?
Sort of like waiting until THE BIG ONE arrives in California before making preparations.
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4x4abc
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like David said - you have to adapt when it happens
Harald Pietschmann
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caj13
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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  | | Sill no evidence of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming ... yes the climate is changing both in consistent and unpredictable ways that have
little to do with human generated CO2 driving increasing temperature rise. If you have proof please share. |
we already have, numerous times, numerous well documented sources, scientific reports, data, graphs charts etc. You either ignore those -
(unless your not capable of understanding them?). and then you post right wing blogs and opinion sites parotting talking points fabricated out of
mid air to satisfy your agenda and ego. So, time for you to actually produce some peer reviewed science, that backs up your contention that current
climate change has little to do with human generated CO2 driving temperature rise!
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elgatoloco
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This October it will be 20 years since my wife and I snorkeled with Whale Sharks, Manta Rays and sea lions in La Paz on our honeymoon. We had a cabana
at Los Arcos for a week in between camping our way down and back up the peninsula. We are planning on spending our anniversary somewhere in Baja.
Maybe La Paz? Do they still snorkel there or are the seas too high?   
MAGA
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caj13
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So for you conspiracy theorists about us scientists coming up with some sort of "secret plan" to keep our funding.
Yup - its true - we hold a secret meeting every year. In that meeting we make sure we are all in line with the mantras!
1. Bigfoot does not exist
2. WE actually did go to the moon
3. The earth really is round
4. Global warming is a thing.
Us scientists are really good at keeping secrets and devising these plans! in the case of global warming, we started all of that plan in motion in
1896 - when Nobel award winning Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius worked out - ooops i mean came up with this ridiculous idea that burning of
fossil fuels lead to releasing CO2 into the atmosphere, and caused a greenhouse effect.
and we have been working on this secret plan since then, springing it on the world in the 1980s.
man - we are really good at conspiring to screw the general public, too bad so many geniuses are around and see through our plans and construct
conspiracy theories based on lack of evidence, as proof - how cool is that!
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elgatoloco
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caj13 - keep up the good work. It is appreciated. At least by this old white man. 
When it doubt - read signature below
Peace, love, fish tacos!
MAGA
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JoeJustJoe
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It's doubtful that Mark Twain said:
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference" - Mark Twain
And if Mark Twain, did actually say it, he probably ripped it off from a fortune cookie, because you see it all over the place with different
variations and attributed to different people all over the world.
Personally I like this variation better:
"Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."
The first time you hear these quotes, it's actually profound and funny, but after you heard it thousands of times, it starts sounded like a stale
joke, and I cringe when someone writes in on a forum, thinking, " oh crap, not that stupid quote again!"
Regarding the global warning deniers, somebody has to challenge them once in a while to put up or shut up.
I can not believe in 2019 we have people, usually old white people, deny irrefutable science that global warning is real, and it's mostly caused by
polluting mankind. We also have the vast majority of scientist about 96% who study global warming, confirm it's real, with the other 4% of scientist
selling their soul to the oil industry to confuse the issue.
And then we have guys like 81 year old Barry A. claim he doesn't believe in anything he can't see, and go Trump!
Really Barry A?
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AKgringo
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Can you imagine some visitor to La Paz doing an internet search about "Snorkeling in La Paz", and discovering this forum?
What a treasure trove of information they will have at their disposal! 
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by AKgringo]
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | It's doubtful that Mark Twain said:
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference" - Mark Twain
And if Mark Twain, did actually say it, he probably ripped it off from a fortune cookie, because you see it all over the place with different
variations and attributed to different people all over the world.
Personally I like this variation better:
"Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."
The first time you hear these quotes, it's actually profound and funny, but after you heard it thousands of times, it starts sounded like a stale
joke, and I cringe when someone writes in on a forum, thinking, " oh crap, not that stupid quote again!"
Regarding the global warning deniers, somebody has to challenge them once in a while to put up or shut up.
I can not believe in 2019 we have people, usually old white people, deny irrefutable science that global warning is real, and it's mostly caused by
polluting mankind. We also have the vast majority of scientist about 96% who study global warming, confirm it's real, with the other 4% of scientist
selling their soul to the oil industry to confuse the issue.
And then we have guys like 81 year old Barry A. claim he doesn't believe in anything he can't see, and go Trump!
Really Barry A?
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Well, JoJo, that is not exactly what I said, but close. Yes, I take with a grain-of-salt what I "see" on the internet because there is so much of it
that is spin, misrepresented, and frankly just out of context, or worse, lies. As for "Global warming"----yes, it's happening---I am not a denier. I
just am not ready to bankrupt the world by taking extreme measures that will only effect the possible outcome by maybe 3%, being generous.
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4x4abc
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so your kid is not well
doctors have an idea of what the illness is
no medication has been tried and tested yet
but doctors are certain, a regiment of (unproven) treatments will make your kid better
they recommend to take the chance
You: "No, lets wait until the kid gets really sick - we'll do something then."
Harald Pietschmann
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Barry A.
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abc---------you are comparing one person (my kid) with "the world"? What I would do or not do with my kids treatment is totally different (to me)
than what I think the world-body en masse should do when confronted with a problem of this magnitude. Both situations are a gamble, but the stakes
are entirely different in scope. There is positive scientific proof that we could be hit with an asteroid as it has happened before, but I don't
think disrupting and at least partially destroying the economies of the world would justify the expenditure necessary to possibly mitigate that
happening.
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SFandH
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What are you talking about?
What does it have to do with climate change?
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by SFandH]
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Barry A.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
What are you talking about?
What does it have to do with climate change?
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by SFandH] |
What???? You'rer kidding, right? To finance and implement the various methods of combating "climate change" for even minimal effect is staggering,
and would consume much of the assets of the developed world, I understand.
I am all for "alternative energy" development, but not the solutions proposed in the "Green New Deal" as I understand them.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
What are you talking about?
What does it have to do with climate change?
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by SFandH] |
What???? You'rer kidding, right? To finance and implement the various methods of combating "climate change" for even minimal effect is staggering,
and would consume much of the assets of the developed world, I understand.
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You understand? Do tell. What are you talking about? What you said above explains nothing. Where are the costs?
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by SFandH]
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Barry A.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
What are you talking about?
What does it have to do with climate change?
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by SFandH] |
What???? You'rer kidding, right? To finance and implement the various methods of combating "climate change" for even minimal effect is staggering,
and would consume much of the assets of the developed world, I understand.
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You understand? Do tell. What are you talking about? What you said above explains nothing. Where are the costs?
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by SFandH] |
We must be talking past each other. I have no idea what you are saying, or asking. (now I see your edit)----the "costs" are outlined in the "Green
New Deal", and they are staggering!!! most costs being in shifting from Carbon to Alternative sources soon.
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SFandH
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Good, now we're talking. So you believe global warming is caused by the burning of fossil fuels but are against spending large sums of money to move
away from fossil fuels and on to renewables? Is that true?
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by SFandH]
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del mar
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
What are you talking about?
What does it have to do with climate change?
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by SFandH] |
climate change! I thought we were talking about snorkeling in La Paz!
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SFandH
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