My favorite is Barry calling me evil for questioning his logic and blind faith in the Palm Tree Whisperer. Niiiice.
[Edited on 7-24-2019 by bajafam]
No, Fam! I called you that for your appalling personal insults concerning David K.------his motives, his writing, and most everything else there at
the end. You can only speculate on what is in his mind, and I honestly see his comments entirely differently than you--------same comments, different
interpretation. It was your interpretation and your gleefulness at insulting him on a public forum that was/is so appalling in the end.
Who wants to look into the background, of Patrick Moore, the so-called sensible environmentalist?
I can guarantee you that Mr Moore, figured out he could make a lot more money denying or downplaying global warming then he could make working in the
field.
The question is the fossil fuel industry and no doubt hired guns like Mr Moore, deny global warning because of big money.
The question to ask why do some of you deny man made global warming. What do you get out of it, or are you just being duped?
Speculate on what is in his mind? He puts it all out in the comments. I don't need to speculate when it's all spelled out perfectly clear.
And calling someone evil isn't a personal insult? LOL.
The very worst thing I said is that he is a crappy writer, and his book sucks. I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are. I've read the book, I've read
endless comments and rehashed trip reports and my opinion stands. You don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't make me EVIL. Did I derive
pleasure from the banter, sure. Still not "profoundly immoral and wicked." Not by a long shot.
Good Lord. Is he beyond rebuke and criticism? I think not.
You see there are a few people here who are only capable of attacking others, insulting, making up lies, and they have no ability to have or allow
dialogue of thoughtful discussion, no references to facts, data, to support their view.
Either there is a concerted effort to discourage critical thinking dialogue by JJJ/caj13 here which goes against the forum rules and common decorum or
this is a byproduct of cognitive dissonance and bias that creates a panic attack in them when their worldview is challenged which is expressed in
outburst of anger and blathering personal attack.
If anyone is interested it is not hard to see that at no point in time is there a correlation showing rising CO2 tied to a forcing of rising
temperatures. Perhaps the opposite may be shown, that is rising temperature causes changes in CO2.
There are 100s or 1000s of factors that are inlfuencing our environment.
CO2 is the lifeblood of the planet, it drives diversity of life, and is the key to our synergistic relation between plants and animals. Though plants
would prefer 1000-1600 ppm CO2 which is why grow houses must inject CO2 for optimum growth.
There is no evidence that CO2 is a poison or bad, or is the driver of catastrophic climate change. Never in time has a correlation been demonstrated
and the models that make this representation in predictions end being shown to be all wrong, like Michale Mann and the grand lie of the hockey stick
theory that was fabricated through collision of peer review and after FOIA requests reveal the communications and data show it was an attempt to hide
the decline" and conflate hand picked data to promote a catastrophic emergency that did not exist, in fact there are no 100% accurate climate model
predictions, because they are predictions based on a partial data set, one that is incomplete and does not represent the factors on earth or in our
atmosphere accurately.
There is no such thing as settled science that is an absurd notion. There are always error bars, expected error rate, ad adjustments with
corrections, so if you hear the term "settled science" it's not science, it's fraud to discourage you from looking further.
Ask yourself why would anyone let alone a poster on Baja Nomad be rabidly committed to a theory that has been disproven over and over and instead deny
their observation, even while knowing that there is for profit motivation clearly demonstrated in promotion of catastrophic climate change.
The don't need Government run carbon credit schemes, nor subsidized wind/solar, we have the most efficient solar power in the form of oil, natural gas
and coal and plenty of it as a natural earth process.
Do some research, look at 7 different points of view, think critically, engage in dialogue, be respectful and pursue the truth.
a research paper just published in Switzerland should end most discussions
yes, temp and Co2 have been going up and down for a long time
but never at the same rate at various places on this planet
the often talked about midieval warm time and the little ice age were a European exclusive
what is so significantly different about the new warming trend is that it is almost 100% the same all over the planet
of course you can still say "we didn't do it"
and you may say "it's not really that bad"
heck, we have religious freedom
think critically, engage in dialogue, be respectful and pursue the truth.
Why is it that scientists around the world, and scientific organizations such as the American Association for the Advancement of Science, all agree
that climate change due to the burning of fossil fuels is underway.
It isn't ALL of them... just the ones who think that, which you like to read.
If it is true, what do you want to do about it or what can we all do about it?
Really, the question is, can we do anything?
If it is a natural change as reported by all the scientists you don't read, then there is (for sure) nothing man can do or any reason to.
I know that the underlying goal of believing that this is (for the first time in a billion years) being caused by man is to punish capitalism and make
everyone equally poor (well except for the socialist political leaders).
Haven't the United States (and perhaps other Western Democracies) made great strides in cleaning the once dirty polluters of the pre-1980s? Is this
our reward for being the cleanest industrial giant on earth, to be taxed into oblivion while China and India get a pass?
Have some faith folks... we are being really good about pollution the past generation and will continue to move ahead on clean and green.
Now, what if these climate changes (if they are changing) and sea level rises (if they are, that much) are all caused by the sun, and other natural
factors? Isn't that when you have to learn to adapt to Nature instead of kicking yourself to death?
I know that the underlying goal of believing that this is (for the first time in a billion years) being caused by man is to punish capitalism and make
everyone equally poor (well except for the socialist political leaders).
think critically, engage in dialogue, be respectful and pursue the truth.
Why is it that scientists around the world, and scientific organizations such as the American Association for the Advancement of Science, all agree
that climate change due to the burning of fossil fuels is underway.
Are they all mistaken?
The statement that all scientists agree is completely false.
The whole 97% of scientists agree was a statistical survey summary by John Cook. "When David Legates, a University of Delaware professor who formerly
headed the university’s Center for Climatic Research, recreated Cook’s study, he found that “only 41 papers — 0.3 percent of all 11,944
abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent,” endorsed what Cook claimed."
Yes there is an increase in temperature about .07 degree Celsius over a century, in the recent history.
Yes humans are here on earth and contribute to the environment.
No, there is no catastrophic climate change cause by human contribution of CO2.
Questions
What solutions are you offering to improve the environment?
I didn't say they all agree. I didn't use the 97% figure. I said "scientists around the world"
My question is: In your opinion, are the scientists who say there is global warming due to the burning of fossil fuel mistaken? Perhaps untruthful?
What do you think?
I know that the underlying goal of believing that this is (for the first time in a billion years) being caused by man is to punish capitalism and make
everyone equally poor (well except for the socialist political leaders).
Could you expand upon that, please?
I think it is self-explanatory.
I will say that I began to be interested in global politics when my dad and I went to Australia together and lived there for six months (in 1970). I
learned to appreciate America even more than I did when we traveled in Mexico for several years before. I also got a lesson in how socialism is out to
destroy capitalism and yet capitalism pays for socialism... that is until you run out of other people's money!
My favorite is Barry calling me evil for questioning his logic and blind faith in the Palm Tree Whisperer. Niiiice.
[Edited on 7-24-2019 by bajafam]
No, Fam! I called you that for your appalling personal insults concerning David K.------his motives, his writing, and most everything else there at
the end. You can only speculate on what is in his mind, and I honestly see his comments entirely differently than you--------same comments, different
interpretation. It was your interpretation and your gleefulness at insulting him on a public forum that was/is so appalling in the end.
[Edited on 7-24-2019 by Barry A.]
Barry calling it like he sees it. Recent post on a different thread (all political bullshlt), he says ''pee on them (literally),'' referring to
those who don't share his POV and think we few don't give the conservative nomads much respect. Then states he ''appreciates'' those people
committing moral suicide. Sure looks like personal insults to me. Just hypocrites, really.
There isn't one argument made that doesn't stink like conservative faux Republican bullshlt. These bootlickers regurgitate what President
Pu$$ygrabber says daily on Fox News. That's just who they are.
Moralists and flag wavers thinking a woman has no right to reproductive care of her own body. They rally around a draft dodger who had a chance to
serve in any branch but took chickenshlt deferments instead. Patriotism? You guys have no f'ing clue about that word.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
Ok, I think that in academic environments, there is often group think pressure, that is students must present papers that are supported by their
advisors, who must support papers that get funding for the university, this leads to consolidation of ideas, groups review group opinions, and it
reduces experimentation in theoretical approaches to papers.
Here are a large number of articles on how and why academic fraud exists in climate science, and how the whole scientific consensus supporting the
fraudulent hockey stick theory occurred. https://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=fraud
When more money is targeted to a designated scientific outcome e.g Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, you will see more papers published on
the topic because more money exists to fund the research work. If you reduce arbitrary funding for predetermined topics you reduce group think,
academic fraud, and perhaps increase academic exploration and academic strides more quickly.
Today, AMLO reduced funding of science students just as USA has done recently in order to reduce replication of errors, academic group think and
academic fraud.
"In testimony before the United States Congress, Professor John Christy summarized the critical view by stating that “evidence nowindicates . . .
that an IPCC Lead Author working with a small cohort of scientists, misrepresented the temperature record of the past 1000 years by (a) promoting his
own result as the best estimate, (b) neglecting studies that contradicted his, and (c) amputating another’s result so as to eliminate conflicting
data and limit any serious attempt to expose the real uncertainties of these data.”
Here is chart of temp and CO2 over the long period - there is no correlation of CO2 to drive temperature.
Here is some information on Gnukid's link, Patrick Moore, the so-called sensible environmentalist, who never actually published any scientific paper
on global warming.
What Patrick Moore, really is a corporate prostitute (paid representative) of corporate polluting industries all over the world.
Of course Gnukid, will accuse me of attacking Patrick Moore, but I call it exposing the corporate weasel, who has sold his soul to the devil( the
polluting industry) many years ago, and besides Patrick Moore, is not a member of "Baja Nomad. "
If you want to read about Moore's links to the polluting industry, see the link below.
If you want to see something funny, watch the video below, where Patrick Moore, refused to drink an active ingredient in a pesticide that he said,
"won't hurt you." It's no surprised Moore, represented Monsanto, to say their herbicide is safe.
After the World Health Organization released a study concluding that glyphosate, the active ingredient in Monsanto's
Roundup herbicide, is “probably carcinogenic,” Pat Moore told a French filmmaker that glyphosate is safe to drink. [50], [51] Upon being offered
some glyphosate to try, Moore refused to take up his own suggestion, ending the interview and telling the filmmaker, “I'm not an idiot.” Video
below. [52]
Moore is often incorrectly referred to as a founder of Greenpeace. According to a statement by Greenpeace, “Patrick Moore frequently
portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a
significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace.” [49], [4] While Moore worked with Greenpeace Canada, and
worked with Greenpeace International between 1981 and 1986, he broke away from Greenpeace after he concluded that “the environmental movement had
abandoned science and logic in favor of emotion and sensationalism.” According to Greenpeace, “what Moore really saw was an opportunity for
financial gain. Since then he has gone from defender of the planet to a paid representative of corporate polluters.” [
Moore has worked for the mining industry, the logging industry, PVC manufacturers, the nuclear industry, and in defense of biotechnology.
Greenpeace issued a 2010 statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he “exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and
pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.” [5] Moore has been criticized for his relations with “polluters and
clear-cutters” through his consultancy. His primary income since the early 1990s has been consulting and publicly speaking for a variety of
corporations and lobby groups such as the Nuclear Energy Institute
You see, JJJ presents another logical fallacy, if one refers to a persons work, then he attributes all work and thoughts of that person to the poster
to try to discredit them, which is absurd, people change, people have different ideas. JJJ uses logical fallacy consistently, and is teaching us the
art well, to confuse and conflate issues, as opposed to making his own point, supported by data or by contrasting the original point.
JJJ either reverts to logical fallacy this as part of his social civil communications training to disrupt community dialogue that conflicts with his
paid position, or he is naturally unable to make logical arguments. Either way what a sad life to live and quite harmful.
"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen.
The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back
if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Theodore Roosevelt
"You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them or to them." - Malcolm Forbes
"Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others
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