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MrBillM
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Avoiding Messy Muck ?
Winning the latest malapropism trophy, Manson says:
" ........ Right on and good for Loreto! Glad to see someone is taking a stand and making it hard for gringos to just run a
muck [sic] over this place .........."
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  | | This is unfortunate, Arturo is simply shooting himself in the foot. If local gringoes can't launch their boats they will move. It may not happen
overnight but it will happen. Loreto will be known as unfriendly to tourists and gringoes who want to fish from their own boats and its reputation
will be sullied. If I recall, best fishing is north of Loreto so launching from Puerto Escondido will be a time consuming and gas wasting option.
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perhaps this is a business opportunity for some entrepreneur to build a new launch ramp, eh?
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Phil C
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That makes nine.
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Marla Daily
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The newbie who lives in Loreto and requests that the title of this thread be changed because it is "UNTRUE"—is requesting that the truth be
obfuscated.
I state with undeniable fact, and I repeat: THE LORETO LAUNCH RAMP IS CLOSED TO GRINGOS. Don't read any more into it than what these words say. Don't
put words into my mouth. There is no hidden agenda here. No hidden meaning. Closed to gringos is closed to gringos. If you find this fact to be
sensational, that's your problem in facing the simple truth. THE LORETO LAUNCH RAMP IS CLOSED TO GRINGOS.
And until and unless you can demonstrate otherwise, Viva la Vida, I stand by the truth—THE LORETO LAUNCH RAMP IS CLOSED TO GRINGOS. You want to
pretend this is not true, then come on over and launch our boat for us while we watch! Lets see who has the facts correct. And until things change, or
you prove this statement wrong, it is my pleasure to tell you a 4th time, THE LORETO LAUNCH RAMP IS CLOSED TO GRINGOS.
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Don Pisto
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well thats a cold bowl of chili! so assuming puerto escondido doesn't work for you and you don't have mega clout like jz.....where's the
alternative
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Howard
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Still looking forE-Mail addresses to write the higher ups
I posted a request for government and tourism E-mail addresses to write about this problem. We can talk about it until the cows come home and nothing
will change. The situation must come from higher ups to resolve this.
Some of you must have addresses to plead our case to.
I really feel that this can be resolved once the higher ups are informed that Loreto will turn into a ghost town unless the “new law” is changed.
Look how immigration was previously controlled and now it has gotten better with tourism complaints.
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David K
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Just 'gringos' (I assume you mean American citizens) or is the ramp closed to ALL non-Mexican citizens? Can a Frenchman or Italian launch? How about a
Costa Rican or Colombian? Is it a political/ nationalist rule or a racist one?
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Just 'gringos' (I assume you mean American citizens) or is the ramp closed to ALL non-Mexican citizens? Can a Frenchman or Italian launch? How about a
Costa Rican or Colombian? Is it a political/ nationalist rule or a racist one? |
Gringos in the context of this discussion, is to mean anyone who is not a Mexican national.
This whole thing was sold and enforced as a means to prevent the corona virus from spreading..
Some seriously misguided dude in DF has decided that they know how treacherous the open Sea is to contracting the virus and ONLY a Mexican National
fishing boat operator, with a permit, can keep the foreign national fishermen safe from the virus.
( I know of one foreign national in town who has a permit to take passengers for hire out to sea, and has had for years)
How treacherous it must be that a foreign national even attempt to ward off the virus on the open sea, putting his two close friends in impending
peril to contracting a virus.
Which is just absolute nonsense.
If the entire scheme is to funnel the sportfishing dollars to Mexican Nationals, that's one thing.
But if it's to thwart the transmission of the virus, someone needs a lobotomy
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chippy
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So is this going on in Cabo? It´s not in a few places I know of on the mainland. I think its a local mandate.
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Mulege
| Quote: Originally posted by chippy | | So is this going on in Cabo? It´s not in a few places I know of on the mainland. I think its a local mandate. |
Well, based on the last response to the great GringoGate in Loreto, it sounds like a local Loreto issue..
See here - http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=93632
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
Arturo is the local jefe of API in Loreto
Arturo also happens to operate the one and only panga sportfishing fleet in Loreto
Arturo is also the husband of the Presidente of the municipal.
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What political party does the Presidente belong to? Same as the Governor?
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BajaBlanca
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Crazy times. Private boats are OK in La Bocana. Our friend went out on his own boat today.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
Arturo is the local jefe of API in Loreto
Arturo also happens to operate the one and only panga sportfishing fleet in Loreto
Arturo is also the husband of the Presidente of the municipal.
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What political party does the Presidente belong to? Same as the Governor?
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A google search indicates they are both PAN. I was thinking maybe if they were different parties, you could play that angle to have the restriction
removed.
Call AMLO!! 
[Edited on 8-15-2020 by SFandH]
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by CJ | | A lot of things have tightened down in Loreto since this Covid started. I think everybody’s looking to somehow grab as much money as they can in
these times. |
Well, BINGO. A long time local calling it the way he sees it. It's always about money. Shouldn't surprise anyone that this is happening.
Nationalized gringoes are still gringoes. If you weren't born in Loreto, you're an outsider.
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What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto | | well thats a cold bowl of chili! so assuming puerto escondido doesn't work for you and you don't have mega clout like jz.....where's the
alternative |
We hang out with several MX captains when we come down.
Bond with the locals ppl.
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BajaParrothead
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Los Barriles | Quote: Originally posted by chippy | | So is this going on in Cabo? It´s not in a few places I know of on the mainland. I think its a local mandate. |
We launched several times in July in Los Barriles and had no issues on my boat. Does appear to be a local Loreto issue.
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CJ
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We hang out with several MX captains when we come down.
Bond with the locals ppl.
JZ
I’ve known most of the captains in Loreto since they were teenagers or younger. Knowing the captains will get you nowhere. It’s the higher ups
that are calling the shots. I actually think most the captains would welcome the foreign boats , because a lot of the gringos would hire them to go in
their boats. Most of the Gringos I know would rather go in their boat than a panga for obvious reasons. Before anyone chimes in; yes I know what I’m
talking about I’ve been the proud owner of three pangas over the years.
Quite a few homeowners haven’t come down and fished this summer because of this issue and that doesn’t help anyone.
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The same problem was happening in LB, LP, LV, Muertos etc until enough people manifested formal communication community meetings and port captains had
to address the obvious conflict of interests with no justification. These delegados and port captains are not particularly well educated nor
experienced in conflict resolution, they tend the be lazy and stubborn and looking for an easy way out and are likely manipulated by someone in the
community with power. Until enough people come forward with formal public organization to resolve the conflict the port captain will do whatever they
want to do based on pressure from their friends and family. Many boats including Mexican captains were restricted at times until formal discussions to
address the nonsense were organized with media attention. I recommend turning up the public heat with regular press release with validated info,
quotes, etc names, in Spanish and English, well written, clear messaging, video, photos, invite the port captain, presidente de ayunamiento to the
table for negotiation, have evidence of reduced covid risk safety practices, be calm, polite, insistent, record all meetings and share.
[Edited on 8-15-2020 by gnukid]
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chippy
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Some good advice from gnu!
[Edited on 8-15-2020 by chippy]
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There is a popular launch ramp in Alaska at the mouth of Deep Creek, that is only usable for a few hours at high tide. To solve the problem of
everyone wanting to be fishing at high tide instead of cursing in a traffic jam, entrepreneurs started using tractors to launch customer boats from
the beach.
Using the aerial view on Bing Maps, it looks like a local with a tractor could be doing the same thing at the mouth of the arroyo south of town. I
have not been to that site, but it looks like it would be doable with no environmental concerns on the beach.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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