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BajaParrothead
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Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  | There is a popular launch ramp in Alaska at the mouth of Deep Creek, that is only usable for a few hours at high tide. To solve the problem of
everyone wanting to be fishing at high tide instead of cursing in a traffic jam, entrepreneurs started using tractors to launch customer boats from
the beach.
Using the aerial view on Bing Maps, it looks like a local with a tractor could be doing the same thing at the mouth of the arroyo south of town. I
have not been to that site, but it looks like it would be doable with no environmental concerns on the beach. |
We pay the guy at the Palmas Hotel $500p to launch and retrieve our boat from the beach using his front end loader.
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Phil C
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The beaches are still closed.
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gnukid
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Some beaches are closed to some activities, not all. For example, Tecolote is closed but shoreline restaurants are open, and you can go boating, but
walking or swimming is restricted with no justification. People still go to the beach everyday and go swimming etc until some cop decides to make a
fuss. It seems that bigger cities have more illogical restrictions, while pueblos use common sense.
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gnukid
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Loreto
Arturo Susarrey Amador
Mayor Arely Arce Peralta
Here's an article from July 2020 about how Arturo solves disputes in Loreto, drunk, fighting with other members of his party.
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/borracho-esposo-de-la-alcaldesa-d...
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/hubo-agravio-de-arturo-susarrey-y...
https://www.diarioelindependiente.mx/2020/07/a-botellazos-ag...
https://colectivopericu.net/2020/07/06/borracho-esposo-de-al...
https://peninsulardigital.com/bcs-2/se-agarraron-panistas-a-...
Accusations he is running Loreto as a shadow mayor.
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/quien-gobierna-loreto-es-arturo-s...
https://monitorbcs.com/equilibrios-por-jose-luis-puga-lizard...
More to chew on
https://monitorbcs.com/equilibrios-por-jose-luis-puga-lizard...
https://la-arenga.com/2019/06/26/arturo-susarrey-el-secreto-...
https://metropolimx.com/la-sombra-de-el-bogar/
https://www.bitacorabcs.mx/equilibrios-loreto-gobierno-incap...
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/?s=Arturo+Susarrey
https://www.facebook.com/arturo.susarreyamador
https://arturosport.com/in/e/
Arturo´s Sportfishing Fleet
Email: arturossport@prodigy.net.mx
Reservaciones / Oficina: 613 110 8522
[Edited on 8-15-2020 by gnukid]
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David K
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Too many aguas malas there!
At least in July!
Baja Tripper and Zully had a good laugh as they watched Baja Angel and I get in contact with those drifting clear tentacles! When we got back to the
beach chairs, he said "why do you think we didn't join you"!   
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Skully
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That looks nice! Coronas and Pacificos on the beach on a beautiful day! 
Sure beats sitting here in my home office, beer or no beer.
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chuckie
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I wonder when Jizzy actually launched a boat in Loreto???
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viva la vida
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One more time, last time. Please comprehend what I am writing here.
I am not putting words in anyone's mouth.
Simply put there is no racism behind the rules that are being enforced at the launchramp at Loreto.
Boats that are allowed to launch:
**commercial fishing vessels with valid permit
**tourism boats that have vaild permiso nautica
**port captain emergency vessels
**military
THAT'S IT!
This is about THE BOAT PERMIT and not the person driving or being a passenger inside the vessel.
So what kinds of boats cannot be launched?
Any vessel that does not fall into the above categories is not allowed to launch at Loreto town launchramp under these covid rules.
If you want to launch your foreign or imported private vessel you are not permitted to launch right now because your BOAT is not permitted as I
described.
If you want to launch your Mexican particular registered boat (private vessel) you cannot use the ramp until further notice.
If you are a MEXICAN person born in MEXICO born in LORETO, have a Mexican captain or a Mexican Loretano Captain and want to launch your private vessel
that does NOT fall into the approved categories then......
YOUR BOAT CANNOT BE LAUNCHED AT LORETO!!
Señora Marla can you not see that the rules do not target "gringoes"? These regs apply to everyone nomatter where they come from or what their
citizenship is. Long time Loreto residents, citizens, can you not read and understand enough spanish to understand that these regs apply to ALL
persons and that there is no xenophobia about it. Please get over yourselves, you are making yourselves look really bad.
So like I have requested Señora can you please edit the title of this thread? You are publishing incorrect information that may hurt our friends
neighbors and the town in general.
[Edited on 8-16-2020 by viva la vida]
[Edited on 8-16-2020 by viva la vida]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by viva la vida | One more time, last time. Please comprehend what I am writing here.
I am not putting words in anyone's mouth.
Simply put there is no racism behind the rules that are being enforced at the launchramp at Loreto.
Boats that are allowed to launch:
**commercial fishing vessels with valid permit
**tourism boats that have vaild permiso nautica
**port captain emergency vessels
**military
THAT'S IT!
This is about THE BOAT PERMIT and not the person driving or being a passenger inside the vessel.
So what kinds of boats cannot be launched?
Any vessel that does not fall into the above categories is not allowed to launch at Loreto town launchramp under these covid rules.
If you want to launch your foreign or imported private vessel you are not permitted to launch right now because your BOAT is not permitted as I
described.
If you want to launch your Mexican particular registered boat (private vessel) you cannot use the ramp until further notice.
If you are a MEXICAN person born in MEXICO born in LORETO, have a Mexican captain or a Mexican Loretano Captain and want to launch your private vessel
that does NOT fall into the approved categories then......
YOUR BOAT CANNOT BE LAUNCHED AT LORETO!!
Señora Marla can you not see that the rules do not target "gringoes"? These regs apply to everyone nomatter where they come from or what their
citizenship is. Long time Loreto residents, citizens, can you not read and understand enough spanish to understand that these regs apply to ALL
persons and that there is no xenophobia about it. Please get over yourselves, you are making yourselves look really bad.
So like I have requested Señora can you please edit the title of this thread? You are publishing incorrect information that may hurt our friends
neighbors and the town in general.
[Edited on 8-16-2020 by viva la vida]
[Edited on 8-16-2020 by viva la vida] |
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see thru this regulation to discern the truth that lies at the root. This regulation was created to benefit
permitted tourism boats by banning private boats used by locals and tourists.
It’s a crock of chit.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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| Quote: Originally posted by viva la vida |
Boats that are allowed to launch:
**commercial fishing vessels with valid permit
**tourism boats that have vaild permiso nautica
**port captain emergency vessels
**military
THAT'S IT!
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Thanks! That squares it away.
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mtgoat666
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What is permit process to get a permission nautica? What agency issues this permit?
What special qualifications and skills do permiso nautica boats/operators have to prevent covid-19 transmission.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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bajatrailrider
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All hog wash boycott the sport fishing boats. That is where they make money from American tourist. In Mexico it's always the money. Then when they
suffer from no money they will force change.
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bajatrailrider
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Ahh brother Lencho I believe this is a post about Mexico . Whet does Usa have to do with this . Zero
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Here is a response by Luis Enrique Lucero when the issue was contested in Los Barilles, suggesting, the initial suspension comes from the Secreteria
de Salud and was enforced by API, though, states that articulo 50 de la Ley de Navigacion, requires a notification of departure and return to port
captain, and Secrateria de Salud requires solo dos personas a bordo panga, solo era pescar autoconsumo, previo cumplimiento de los requisitos.
Consider public manifestation, with face masks and social distance to engage dialogue for resolution to use the Loreto launch ramp in a calm, rational
manner focused on reduced risk, while serving the essential needs of Nationals and extranjeros.
https://www.gob.mx/fop/acciones-y-programas/administracion-p...
Teléfono: (55) 50904200 ext. 4716
Atención a la ciudadanía: (55) 50904200 ext. 4716
FONATUR Operadora Portuaria
http://saludbcs.gob.mx
Contactanos (612) 175-11-00
http://www.sectur.gob.mx/gobmx/pueblos-magicos/loreto-baja-c...
Typically, requests for departure are made in advance, by a few days, to include:
Name of the boat
Registration number
Gross tonnage
Length
Crew names
If no formal requests were made, then none were denied? First make a formal request for departure conforming to the requirements and then use the
denial or lack of response as part of the negotiation
[Edited on 8-18-2020 by gnukid]
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defrag4
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| Quote: Originally posted by viva la vida | I live in Loreto and I request that the title of this thread be changed because it is UNTRUE!!
Boats that are permitted to use the Loreto ramp have a valid permit to take out tourists, called permiso nautica, issued by the port captain. Also the
port Captain is a "by the book" kind of guy so its insulting to read the ignorant and negative comments about him! You should apologize or delete
them lady!
The closure is not limited to GRINGOS! ALL private boats are prohibited from using the town ramp. There's a well known local Mexicano Loretano
accountant who loves to fish in his own panga, guess what? He can't go out either. It has NOTHING to do with Mexican Captains or Gringos. It has
everything to do with the permit on the BOAT!
Agreed, these rules SUCK! Nobody can even land on the islands as the "park" will not allow it, permits or no permits!
The "over 65" rule was actually in the DRAFT of the new covid sportfishing protocols but it was struck out after lots and lots of folks raised a big
stink with the health authorities. None of the Captains wrote these rules but they have to live with them.
As for paddleboarding and kayaks Señora and other locals, remember the beaches are closed? Since March? Paddleboards and kayaks launch off the
beach so I guess you can't use them since the playa is cerrado? I dunno we all hate the beach closures and the park islands closures but they have
NOTHING at all to do about Gringos or non Gringos. These closures and restrictions are affecting gringos, Mexicans, and everyone.
So stop it people! If you're going to post sensationalism at least get the facts straight!
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as someone who fishes almost everyday in loreto from shore, boat, or kayak, i can confirm viva la vida is 100% correct
doesnt matter if you are a gringo/mexican/space martian, the only way to launch your boat at the marina is if you have the proper tourism/commercial
permits, otherwise you are going to have to illegally launch off the closed beaches or trailer down to puerto escondido and pay the ~$20 launch fee
(bring ur flashlight...)
ive already gotten a few early AM calls from my less experienced local buddies who got their damn trucks stuck trying to beach launch at lowtide and
had to go yank their butts out of the surf
I launch my aluminum skiff off salinitas or zaragosa beach, illegal for sure, but the cops dont mind as long as your not standing on the beach and
blatantly partying it up
politics and corolla virus aside, the dorado bite is on and ill friggin swim out there if i have too!
[Edited on 8-20-2020 by defrag4]
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defrag4
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marina is closed today due to hurricane, sorry gringos
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Here is a response by Luis Enrique Lucero when the issue was contested in Los Barilles, suggesting, the initial suspension comes from the Secreteria
de Salud and was enforced by API, though, states that articulo 50 de la Ley de Navigacion, requires a notification of departure and return to port
captain, and Secrateria de Salud requires solo dos personas a bordo panga, solo era pescar autoconsumo, previo cumplimiento de los requisitos.
Consider public manifestation, with face masks and social distance to engage dialogue for resolution to use the Loreto launch ramp in a calm, rational
manner focused on reduced risk, while serving the essential needs of Nationals and extranjeros.
https://www.gob.mx/fop/acciones-y-programas/administracion-p...
Teléfono: (55) 50904200 ext. 4716
Atención a la ciudadanía: (55) 50904200 ext. 4716
FONATUR Operadora Portuaria
http://saludbcs.gob.mx
Contactanos (612) 175-11-00
http://www.sectur.gob.mx/gobmx/pueblos-magicos/loreto-baja-c...
Typically, requests for departure are made in advance, by a few days, to include:
Name of the boat
Registration number
Gross tonnage
Length
Crew names
If no formal requests were made, then none were denied? First make a formal request for departure conforming to the requirements and then use the
denial or lack of response as part of the negotiation
[Edited on 8-18-2020 by gnukid] |
Pablo,
It is much easier to say “flock it,” and visit another town where you don’t have to dick around to get on the water.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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ncampion
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| Quote: Originally posted by viva la vida | One more time, last time. Please comprehend what I am writing here.
I am not putting words in anyone's mouth.
Simply put there is no racism behind the rules that are being enforced at the launchramp at Loreto.
Boats that are allowed to launch:
**commercial fishing vessels with valid permit
**tourism boats that have vaild permiso nautica
**port captain emergency vessels
**military
THAT'S IT!
This is about THE BOAT PERMIT and not the person driving or being a passenger inside the vessel.
So what kinds of boats cannot be launched?
Any vessel that does not fall into the above categories is not allowed to launch at Loreto town launchramp under these covid rules.
If you want to launch your foreign or imported private vessel you are not permitted to launch right now because your BOAT is not permitted as I
described.
If you want to launch your Mexican particular registered boat (private vessel) you cannot use the ramp until further notice.
If you are a MEXICAN person born in MEXICO born in LORETO, have a Mexican captain or a Mexican Loretano Captain and want to launch your private vessel
that does NOT fall into the approved categories then......
YOUR BOAT CANNOT BE LAUNCHED AT LORETO!!
Señora Marla can you not see that the rules do not target "gringoes"? These regs apply to everyone nomatter where they come from or what their
citizenship is. Long time Loreto residents, citizens, can you not read and understand enough spanish to understand that these regs apply to ALL
persons and that there is no xenophobia about it. Please get over yourselves, you are making yourselves look really bad.
So like I have requested Señora can you please edit the title of this thread? You are publishing incorrect information that may hurt our friends
neighbors and the town in general.
[Edited on 8-16-2020 by viva la vida]
[Edited on 8-16-2020 by viva la vida] |
I think it's more than what you say. Our friends (gringos) who live on the beach north of town were out in their tin boat fishing when they were
approached by a patrol boat and told to return to shore. They followed them to shore, took pictures of their boat and of them and told them next time
they would confiscate their boat. There seems to be a local war on gringo boaters for some reason. The lockdown in Loreto is beyond crazy COVID or
not.
Living Large in Loreto. Off-grid and happy.
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defrag4
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ATTN ALL GRINGOS + BLACK PEOPLE + GREEN PEOPLE
RAMP IS NOW OPEN TO ALL
fish on! 
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JZ
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Life is slowly, but surely getting back to normal.
Can't wait to get down there in Oct and Nov.
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