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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 08:50 AM


I agree with Baja Steve......not much baja stuff here anymore...just bs bickering......some of you guys need to get a life....



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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 09:03 AM


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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 09:31 AM


If you want to talk about Baja then post something about it.
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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 09:38 AM


I am collecting payments from Social Security, and a union pension. Neither plan will provide even a peso per liter when I fill up in San Felipe! :no:



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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 12:55 PM
A clean up on the gas price aisle!


When those who wanted to Top Off this thread with Off Topic comments, a Toxic spill occurred. Fortunately for those who are interested in the price of fuel in San Felipe, it got cleaned up! :yes:



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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 03:05 PM


just reported Gbay has gas today.....earlier it was reported el Dorado was out.
now get back to your socialism bs:coolup:




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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 03:26 PM


Thanks Don Pisto, we will see for ourselves next week and who know what we will find!??!

Today, a few miles from my home here in North San Diego County, I topped-off my truck's 3/4-full-tank with less-than-6 gallons for $35, at a Citgo (7-11) station. Regular was $5.95/ gallon.

When I get back from Baja in eight days, it may be $7/ gallon!!??




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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 04:29 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Thanks Don Pisto, we will see for ourselves next week and who know what we will find!??!

Today, a few miles from my home here in North San Diego County, I topped-off my truck's 3/4-full-tank with less-than-6 gallons for $35, at a Citgo (7-11) station. Regular was $5.95/ gallon.

When I get back from Baja in eight days, it may be $7/ gallon!!??


Dk: you will enjoy Mexico, because socialism keeps the gasoline prices low!

I know it has been many years since you traveled to Mexico — things have changed — do you need me to provide you with an updated map?




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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 04:45 PM


Oh would you, please. Photos too! I won't hold my breath.



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[*] posted on 3-24-2022 at 07:47 PM


An explanation of how Mexico keeps gasoline prices so cheap:
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/mexico-fuel-subsidies-won-...




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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 08:29 AM


So, Pemex is subsidizing not only it's stations, but those of private oil companies as well. Nice. Privatize profit, socialize loss.

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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 09:55 AM


Hi John: I must have missed where the private companies were being subsidized. I am certainly not a rank Socialist, but I find myself in agreement with this move. In unusual spikes to the price of a basic commodity that is a necessity to provide food, water and all other essential items it makes sense to me to manage the necessities' costs by using the excess of excise taxes the government receives to keep the energy costs down.
Other countries are adding higher climate taxes at the same time their excise taxes are going through the roof, multiplying the effect of inflationary pressures on the poorest people in a temporary spike.
The secondary benefit to this move is increased visits by foreigners which will add even more revenues to the economy.

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A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 10:05 AM


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Hi John: I must have missed where the private companies were being subsidized.


Well, it seems rather intuitive. If they aren't also subsidizing the private companies then gas at Pemex would be substantially cheaper than the private gasoline providers. How else would Shell, etc. be able to compete? They certainly would not drop prices out of the goodness of their heart.

I'm not a rank socialist either, just a student of global economics. Modern economies all have a mix of socialism and capitalism. Only the willfully ignorant have a problem understanding that concept. And, it's clear that you're not among them.

I do agree that in times of economic upheaval that the government can act to stabilize markets. Blasphemy to some, but still a necessary function as you describe.

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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 12:42 PM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Hi John: I must have missed where the private companies were being subsidized.
Well, it seems rather intuitive. If they aren't also subsidizing the private companies then gas at Pemex would be substantially cheaper than the private gasoline providers. How else would Shell, etc. be able to compete?

I can understand your thinking, but it does seem kind of counterintuitive that Pemex would actually subsidize its (¿foreign-based?) competition.
:?::?:


I agree, but......

Do you have a better theory? I've got an open mind if you do!

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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 01:14 PM


MAYBE this is the answer?

Pemex provides the gasoline to (all) distributors in Mexico.

Think of it as a two-Pemex-world. One Pemex (government owned) provides gasoline to the stations (all stations) and the 'other' Pemex (franchise owned) sells it to the drive-up customers.

So, socialism (government owned business) and capitalism (privately owned business).

Why (I think) this is 'wrong' is that government is making money selling the fuel and then making money again by taxing the stations selling it. We know the oil industry was not a government invention in Mexico. It was provided by nationalizing private businesses some 90 years ago.
Government's purpose should be to provide only those services that cannot be provided better by private business. Such as national defense, fraud prevention, and judicial matters.

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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 01:21 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Government's purpose should be to provide only those services that cannot be provided better by private business. Such as national defense, fraud prevention, and judicial matters.


Yet the Preamble to the US Constitution clearly states one purpose of government is to "insure domestic tranquility" and another to "promote the general welfare" of it's citizens, in addition to national defense and justice. You missed that part. Nothing about fraud prevention is written into the Constitution, can you cite where it is located? Fraud laws likely fall under the Commerce Clause, but not a fundamental function of government as described in the Preamble.

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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 01:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  


I agree, but......

Do you have a better theory? I've got an open mind if you do!

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[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper]


Price fixing comes to mind.




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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 01:43 PM


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Price fixing comes to mind.


Can you describe how this "price fixing" takes place? Can you define "price fixing" in this market? Expand your theory, please.

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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 02:10 PM


Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Government's purpose should be to provide only those services that cannot be provided better by private business. Such as national defense, fraud prevention, and judicial matters.


Yet the Preamble to the US Constitution clearly states one purpose of government is to "insure domestic tranquility" and another to "promote the general welfare" of it's citizens, in addition to national defense and justice. You missed that part. Nothing about fraud prevention is written into the Constitution, can you cite where it is located? Fraud laws likely fall under the Commerce Clause, but not a fundamental function of government as described in the Preamble.

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[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper]


I didn't restrict my comments to only the federal government.
The Department of Weights and Measures, come to mind. If a store or gas station tweaks the measuring device to cheat the consumer, an unbiassed agency needs to enforce anti-fraud practices.

As for "domestic tranquility" (law enforcement) the current governments of many cities and states get a big F... and so does the federal when the states failed.

The "promote the general welfare" part means government is to make sure the ability of its citizens to provide products and services, to employ others, and to help others, can take place. This does not mean government should compete against citizens with its unfair advantages (not needing to make a profit as it survives on tax money instead of good business).




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[*] posted on 3-25-2022 at 02:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Government's purpose should be to provide only those services that cannot be provided better by private business. Such as national defense, fraud prevention, and judicial matters.


Yet the Preamble to the US Constitution clearly states one purpose of government is to "insure domestic tranquility" and another to "promote the general welfare" of it's citizens, in addition to national defense and justice. You missed that part. Nothing about fraud prevention is written into the Constitution, can you cite where it is located? Fraud laws likely fall under the Commerce Clause, but not a fundamental function of government as described in the Preamble.

John

[Edited on 3-25-2022 by John Harper]


I didn't restrict my comments to only the federal government.
The Department of Weights and Measures, come to mind. If a store or gas station tweaks the measuring device to cheat the consumer, an unbiassed agency needs to enforce anti-fraud practices.

As for "domestic tranquility" (law enforcement) the current governments of many cities and states get a big F... and so does the federal when the states failed.

The "promote the general welfare" part means government is to make sure the ability of its citizens to provide products and services, to employ others, and to help others, can take place. This does not mean government should compete against citizens with its unfair advantages (not needing to make a profit as it survives on tax money instead of good business).


Let's just agree that we disagree in some areas. I'm okay with that.

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