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RFClark
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All good things come to an end! Starlink just emailed everyone who’s unit is at a different location than their service address the
“opportunity” to pay $25/mo to be able to move their unit around! It’s called portability!
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | | All good things come to an end! Starlink just emailed everyone who’s unit is at a different location than their service address the
“opportunity” to pay $25/mo to be able to move their unit around! It’s called portability! |
Suckers!
Remember way back in the 20th century when you used to be charged for roaming?
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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RFClark
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Goat,
Remember when wire phone companies charged for call forwarding because it was the only game in town?
This is the only game in town for most of the out of the way places in BC or BCS! We’re taking our unit south in a few days a user report will
follow. Besides 150K Ukrainians are using this system in a war zone so what’s not to like?
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | | All good things come to an end! Starlink just emailed everyone who’s unit is at a different location than their service address the
“opportunity” to pay $25/mo to be able to move their unit around! It’s called portability! |
I got the email and my unit is at my house (same service address).
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | | All good things come to an end! Starlink just emailed everyone who’s unit is at a different location than their service address the
“opportunity” to pay $25/mo to be able to move their unit around! It’s called portability! |
So what is the total cost per month?
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TSThornton
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$100/mo. while at home +$25/mo. while you have roaming turned on. The email indicates that you can turn it on and off on demand, but there is no
partial month proration. From the new FAQ page on the Starlink site:
"When you enable Portability, you are charged on your next monthly invoice. Portability is charged in full monthly increments and cannot be pro-rated.
The Portability feature and billing charges will be ongoing until you decide to disable it. Once you disable Portability, the recurring charge will
stop after your next monthly invoice and Portability will only remain active for the remainder of the current billing cycle. For example, if you
enable Portability on March 12th and your next billing date is on April 1st, you will be charged $25 on April 1st for the full previous month."
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JDCanuck
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Problem with satellite is when it goes down you are hooped. I am finding tethering to cell phones far cheaper for the same GB, faster, and more
reliable. If they ever come out to service the Hughesnet transmitter before i head home again i will be surprised.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Problem with satellite is when it goes down you are hooped. I am finding tethering to cell phones far cheaper for the same GB, faster, and more
reliable. If they ever come out to service the Hughesnet transmitter before i head home again i will be surprised. |
Starlink is not Hughesnet
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RFClark
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JD,
That’s certainly true if your provider only has one or two satellites! It’s not true if they have thousands of satellites!
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OK.. So I took my BCS-based Starlink system, brought it back to EEUU, paid the $25 extra per month, and have FAR better speeds than I did with the
AT&T "uverse" monopoly I have at my house!!
My last home test (AT&T in san Diego) was 10 down and 3 up. Average is about 22 down, and 3 up.
My Starlink has been averaging between 150-180 down and 10 up, in an "in-continent", "waitlist" area in the states.
Never gotten anywhere close to that with tethering to my cell phone's hotspot.
And I'll be loading is up and taking it back down to BCS in a few months. So far, I'm happy!
[Edited on 5-11-2022 by aburruss]
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aburruss
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
I doubt cell phones are very efficient as routers-- they're designed to optimize battery life. It would be interesting to run that test on one of
those dedicated cellular hotspots which are actually purposed for the application. |
I was sending that in response to:
| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | I am finding tethering to cell phones far cheaper for the same GB, faster, and more reliable. If they ever come out to service the Hughesnet
transmitter before i head home again i will be surprised. |
It's no contest. And it's no Hughesnet...
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HeyMulegeScott
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Another gotcha to be aware for roaming besides the $25 monthly fee is that according to a knowledgeable friend there is a two month limitation for
international. This sucks if you have the US equipment and want to spend the winter in Baja or if you have the Mexico equipment and want to spend the
summers up North.
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RFClark
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“ International Travel: Starlink can only be used within the same continent as the registered Service Address. If you use Starlink in a foreign
country for more than two months, you will be required to move your registered service address to your new location or purchase an additional Starlink
to maintain service.”
It’s unclear if that’s cumulative either! That said we ported our US unit to Cerritos South and it works great. We’ll see!
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JDCanuck
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Finally got my Hughesnet back up and running. Declined the 135 dollar service call and traced the fault out to a bad cable connection from the
original install. Seems about the same speeds as my cell phone was giving me. Will wait til Starlink gets going full bore here and look at options
again. May be something even more reliable by then to consider.
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SFandH
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One year ago:
"Elon Musk says Starlink will need up to $30 billion to survive. 'If we succeed in not going bankrupt, then that'll be great.'"
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-starlink-spacex-ba...
Starlink loses money on every customer that signs up and pays $600 for the equipment.
"Originally, the Starlink dishes cost $3,000 each for SpaceX to build, meaning the company was selling to users at a loss. However, Shotwell claimed
in April that SpaceX was able to reduce that number to around $1,300."
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/11/22776563/spacex-starlink...
And then there is the cost of all the satellites and the Falcon 9 boosters to get them in orbit.
I wonder if Starlink will ever be a profitable business. They are digging a deep hole now that gets deeper every day.
Starlink is an incredibly complicated system that's costing a fortune to build.
I'm skeptical.
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | One year ago:
"Elon Musk says Starlink will need up to $30 billion to survive. 'If we succeed in not going bankrupt, then that'll be great.'"
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-starlink-spacex-ba...
Starlink loses money on every customer that signs up and pays $600 for the equipment.
"Originally, the Starlink dishes cost $3,000 each for SpaceX to build, meaning the company was selling to users at a loss. However, Shotwell claimed
in April that SpaceX was able to reduce that number to around $1,300."
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/11/22776563/spacex-starlink...
And then there is the cost of all the satellites and the Falcon 9 boosters to get them in orbit.
I wonder if Starlink will ever be a profitable business. They are digging a deep hole now that gets deeper every day.
Starlink is an incredibly complicated system that's costing a fortune to build.
I'm skeptical.
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Of course we all felt the same about the Tesla cars and he pulled that one off nicely, despite some fallbacks.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | One year ago:
"Elon Musk says Starlink will need up to $30 billion to survive. 'If we succeed in not going bankrupt, then that'll be great.'"
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-starlink-spacex-ba...
Starlink loses money on every customer that signs up and pays $600 for the equipment.
"Originally, the Starlink dishes cost $3,000 each for SpaceX to build, meaning the company was selling to users at a loss. However, Shotwell claimed
in April that SpaceX was able to reduce that number to around $1,300."
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/11/22776563/spacex-starlink...
And then there is the cost of all the satellites and the Falcon 9 boosters to get them in orbit.
I wonder if Starlink will ever be a profitable business. They are digging a deep hole now that gets deeper every day.
Starlink is an incredibly complicated system that's costing a fortune to build.
I'm skeptical.
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Of course we all felt the same about the Tesla cars and he pulled that one off nicely, despite some fallbacks. |
Internet service by coax or fiber will always be cheaper for 99% of first world, where neighborhoods are built with utilities. Sat internet will only
be attractive to rural people in first world and mid- to upper class in developing world. Poor people of the developing world will always struggle to
justify cost of sat internet.
Will starlink survive? It’s a risky stock bet at this point…
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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RFClark
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SFandH and Goat,
Those with an understanding of the history of technology will remember that the US government subsidized the development of aviation and airlines
between WW1 and WW2. As a result we had planes and pilots when we needed them.
The Chinese see Musk and Space X as serious challenge to their plans in space. The Russians are feeling the effects of the Ukraine using StarLink to
defend their country as we speak. Perhaps we should listen to those who could be adversaries in the future and make sure he’s successful to make
sure that technology is available to us in a time of need!
[Edited on 5-12-2022 by RFClark]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | SFandH and Goat,
Those with an understanding of the history of technology will remember that the US government subsidized the development of aviation and airlines
between WW1 and WW2. As a result we had planes and pilots when we needed them.
The Chinese see Musk and Space X as serious challenge to their plans in space. The Russians are feeling the effects of the Ukraine using StarLink to
defend their country as we speak. Perhaps we should listen to those who could be adversaries in the future and make sure he’s successful to make
sure that technology is available to us in a time of need!
[Edited on 5-12-2022 by RFClark] |
So we’re supposed to root for starlink for military use?
flock no!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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RFClark
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Goat,
Your quote about the freedom of man might depend on us having the StarLink technology to defend it and us! So yes root for and support!
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