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Purdyd
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See now I’m curious for the simple practical reason that you need a valid FMM for vehicle insurance.
I can find websites where I can, and can’t use the FMM multiple times for land crossings.
The back of the FMM says single use as does the official Mexican website.
But I did find this. Which claims for Baja Norte at least reuse is valid.
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David K
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If it's on the Internet, it's gotta be true! (ya, I know) 
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thebajarunner
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Well, this post has actually stayed on topic!! A new era dawning on Nomad??
I have been flying and driving to Mexico for a very long time
This is the first time that the airlines did not collect the FMM fee and then we filled out the actual doc on our fold down tray just before landing.
Actually , this is better, I suppose.
FYI I am attaching the email that they sent along with the two FMMs
I did separate apps. Maybe a real person is monitoring this, from reading the mail. They actually managed to group the two together into one send.
(making the Goat happy, since they are exercising good economy of management)
Hello Richard,
Please save the attached Tourist Cards for Mexico/FMM, and print them out. (we are attaching also Teresa’s one)
You will be required to show them to the federal immigration agent at the airport, who will stamp and authorize your entry into Mexico. From that
moment, you have 180 days to transit and visit Mexico. The page of entry will be taken from a federal immigration agent.
Please remember that you must keep the part that corresponds to the exit registration in which the immigration entry stamp is recorded since it is
evidence of your regular stay in the country and will be required when leaving Mexico.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us here.
We wish you safe travels and Happy moments in Mexico.
Best regards,
MexicoFMM.org
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surabi
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"This is the first time that the airlines did not collect the FMM fee and then we filled out the actual doc on our fold down tray just before
landing."
I have always had the tourist tax show as a charge on the airline ticket and always had them hand out the FMMs on the plane to fill out before
landing.
Probably at least a dozen flights into Mexico, with various airlines, and it has always been exactly the same.
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RFClark
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PB,
My Spanish is good enough to have built a couple of houses and worked legally in Mexico for over 30 years. I’ve also accompanied Mexican National
Customs Brokers to meetings with the Mexican Government Customs Officials enough times to understand that the “Law” is what the person there says
it is today and it can all be different tomorrow.
The issue here seems to be differences in how it’s done in Baja and Baja Sur compared to the rest of Mexico. The Mexican States have INM delegates
who seem to have a major say regarding interpretation and enforcement of the INM rules in their states. There doesn’t seem to be anything like that
in the US! Then there are the special rules covering the Bajas and Northern Sonora that superseded general Mexican law and practice.
In Baja North the INM agent who issues you your FMM also collects the money ditto for paying duties. The Hacienda has a window where they take your
payment and give you a document showing what was imported, the value and the duty. Many years ago you did pay at a bank near the customs office not
anymore.
I’ve never been charged extra for a FMM by an air carrier either and have always surrendered it when I flew out. The cruse ships apparently have
even stranger FMM rules!
In the past Mexico City did have a $20 departure tax that they collected separate from your FMM!
[Edited on 5-31-2022 by RFClark]
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SFandH
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | PB,
The Mexican States have INM delegates who seem to have a major say regarding interpretation and enforcement of the INM rules in their states.
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I remember that several years ago the INM chief for Baja California said that the FMM can be used for multiple entries. That was when they started
requiring pedestrians to get them. No more just walking into Mex, at least not at San Ysidro, they check. I don't know what the other states do and
the next BC chief could change things.
So the rules differ and often the person you are talking to decides what they are. Of course.
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thebajarunner
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My understanding was that the airlines included the FMM fee in your basic ticket. That is why you did not see a separate line.
This new policy seems to be an offshoot of the COVID plague
We leave later this week, a couple days ago American Air sent me a pre-flight check list.
Never have seen that before.
It gave a status report of vacc, mask, and related rules
It was in checklist format, but each line indicated "not required" at the present time.
Then it stated very clearly that I must go on line and get my FMM, and pay the $44.80 fee by paypal or credit card.
That is what got is here.
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Purdyd
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If American Airlines is not including the FMM fee that is essentially an airfare increase.
Thanks for the heads up
I can’t find anything official about using the FMM more then once to enter.
Once
https://www.gob.mx/inm/articulos/agiliza-tu-entrada-a-mexico...
Fees
https://www.gob.mx/cms/uploads/attachment/file/120801/LFD_20...
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Howard
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bajarunner, maybe I missed it but where are you flying from, Mexico or the USA?
[Edited on 5-31-2022 by Howard]
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we grow old because we stop playing
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thebajarunner
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| Quote: Originally posted by Howard | bajarunner, maybe I missed it but where are you flying from, Mexico or the USA?
[Edited on 5-31-2022 by Howard] |
Phoenix to Guadalajara
Family fiesta in the old home town of Mascota for my little better half
(Yes, she is still a Mexican citizen, no she does not have a current Mexican pasaport- so the book says she needs to pay up)
And yeah, it is definitely a sneaky little fare increase when they don't disclose this until after tickets are paid and issued, then comes the check
list.
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surabi
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"My understanding was that the airlines included the FMM fee in your basic ticket. That is why you did not see a separate line."
That has always been my experience. But if you click where you can see a breakdown of the ticket price, you do see a separate line. It will give the
base price of the ticket, taxes and fees, fuel surcharge, and Mexican tourism tax (that is the FMM cost).
[Edited on 6-1-2022 by surabi]
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RFClark
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SF&H,
All that stopped in 2015! That’s also when the Baja North INM delegate said multiple entries on your FMM were OK.
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Purdyd
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | SF&H,
All that stopped in 2015! That’s also when the Baja North INM delegate said multiple entries on your FMM were OK. |
Well I’ve been paying for my FMM on many flights as part of the airfare since 2015 including this flight in February.
And I just looked at the airfare to Cabo on American Airlines and it included the tourist fee.
so I would double check if you needed to pay for the FMM separately.
You should have a receipt.
[Edited on 6-1-2022 by Purdyd]
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BajaMama
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Last time I flew to Mexico was April 2018 (landed in Cancun for some Mayan architecture fun). That time, as every time I have flown to Mexico, I was
given the FMM form on the flight - the price is included in the ticket - to fill out and was directed to immigration upon landing to get it and my
passport stamped. And each and every time I have been required to turn in the FMM before boarding the return flight.
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David K
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Discover Baja Travel Club (and others) do, as well... a fee for their service is added to the tourist tax (FMM cost).
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David K
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Well, you need to ask them... but from what I have read on their newsletters, they buy them in bulk from the Mexican consulate. Naturally, one must
stop at the border going south, to get them stamped and validated as they are just blank forms otherwise.
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Alan
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Everyone here is a Mexico aficionado yet you are still trying to find consistency even though you have learned time after time the law is what the
official you are facing at that moment says it is
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mtgoat666
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so do some googling. apparently you can get your online form free.
here is a free fmm form:
https://www.cancunairport.com/tourist-card.html
UAL website says fmm form is free, and has links:
Mexico online entry forms
If you’re traveling to Mexico, you can fill out the required customs declaration and immigration form online before your trip instead of filling out
paper forms in flight. It’s free and saves you time when you arrive in Mexico.
The immigration form is also available in English, Spanish or Japanese. If you don’t see your destination when filling out either form, please
complete the paper forms in flight.
Due to the ongoing coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, all travelers entering Mexico from another country are required to complete a health
questionnaire, which can also be submitted online.
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/destination/inte...
[Edited on 6-1-2022 by mtgoat666]
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karenintx
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Hope this clears up some of the confusion. All of this is behind the scenes transactions that most airline passengers are not aware of.
1. All airlines that fly into a foreign country are required by that country's INM laws to charge a tourist tax on all airline passengers, which is
included in your airline ticket. You may have to look at the "fine print or itemized charges".
2. The foreign country that is charging the tourist tax will then bill each airline for the number of passengers that are on the inbound flight.
Trust me the foreign country knows how many passengers are on the inbound plane!! This information is sent to the foreign country by the time the
airplane leaves or soon after it takes off from its departing city to go to the foreign country.
3. Most airlines are trying very hard to go paperless...hence the message to go to a website to download the tourist form, in this case Mexico. Yes,
to PRINT the tourist form is "free" but YOU have already purchased the tourist tax in your airline ticket. Again, airlines are trying not to have
these forms on the planes plus the foreign countries do not want to continue the expense of supplying these forms to the passengers.
4. By INM Law...when a passenger flies out of the foreign country (returning to their homeland) the airlines are required by INM Law to collect the
bottom portion of the tourist form. The airlines do not want your FMM form...they are doing it because it is the INM Law of Mexico.
Driving across the border and flying are TWO different things. Keeping your 180 day FMM tourist form for border crossing is legal when driving
however under no circumstances do you want to walk off of a plane then hand your 180 FMM tourist form you got at the border to an airport INM agent
nor do you want to argue with the agent. I mean, you can do this but the law is on the airport INM agent's side.
It might not seem fair to you BUT it is legal that you pay the tourist tax (included in your ticket) when you fly!!
Now, if you are able to get the airlines to "reimburse" you for the tourist tax because you hold an R/P, T/P or a MX passport, then go for it. But
this is normally done after you travel and not while trying to purchase the ticket.
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David K
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Right on Karen in Texas!
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