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BajaDove - 9-16-2011 at 08:39 AM

Yesterday the sun was shining. Ron was awake and smiling. Christina was on her way to recovery. Nomads were giving each other verbal hugs. Even the infamous Elinvestigator saw what light a little love can bring. HOW CAN A DAY GET BETTER?

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by ridge

also unintentionally(?) funny.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_Nun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7lhzEKCHiw

redmesa - 9-16-2011 at 09:28 AM

What a nice way to wake-up! A little good news go a long way these days. Now I keep thinking someone will start a new BAJA LIST about safety and medical issues. People, places, numbers and things???? I would start it but I know so very little. This event has been true learning experience for me and I am happy as can be that it is coming to a positive resolution.

J.P. - 9-16-2011 at 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by redmesa
What a nice way to wake-up! A little good news go a long way these days. Now I keep thinking someone will start a new BAJA LIST about safety and medical issues. People, places, numbers and things???? I would start it but I know so very little. This event has been true learning experience for me and I am happy as can be that it is coming to a positive resolution.

Its fantastic they both are doing so good.
As far as a list of do's and dont's Good luck down here you most likeky NEVER get the same answer to a question two times in a row. I have come to belive they like it that way. :lol:

SFandH - 9-16-2011 at 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
it seems every day brings more reasons for Ron to have left Mexico for treatment!
this thread is a great sales tool for health insurance and medical evacuation insurance!
good luck Ron!

Yeah, if you can afford it. A better sales tool would be to lower the price. I have a buddy, 60 years old, that just sent me an email saying his monthly premiums went up to $850 a month. Plus he has copays and an annual deductible to cover.

The cost/benefit analysis is a tough one if you're not working and living off of savings hundreds of miles from the border. Most Americans living in Baja count their pennies.

From what I've read the medical folks in Ensenada saved their lives for a lot less money. They should be thanked, not dissed.

ocotillo - 9-16-2011 at 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by redmesa
Now I keep thinking someone will start a new BAJA LIST about safety and medical issues. People, places, numbers and things???? I would start it but I know so very little. This event has been true learning experience for me and I am happy as can be that it is coming to a positive resolution.

redmesa, Good idea, see my post on p. 36 it's a start...........

karenintx - 9-16-2011 at 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
Said he was too "hypertensive" making it difficult to work on him and complete the procedure.

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Ha Ha the funny thing is that Dr. Morfin does NOT like to overuse pain medications...in fact, he NEVER uses narcotics post-op...I recommend to all my American friends to bring "the good stuff" down from their doctors in the US because its very rare that you will get narcotics for any post surgical procedure in Mex..as my friend did when she had plastic surgery with Dr. Gongora at Genesis Clinic in Rosarito...he was great...oh well got to go...a LONNGGG day awaits me in San Diego!!

The human body is amazing and highly adaptive. When you consider what Ron's body has gone through and the pain he is experiencing, YES his blood pressure should be elevated if not SKY HIGH! Unless he has underlying health problems such as hypertension, heart etc, his pain could be the reason for his "too hypertensive"...and a little pain management/sedation could lower his B/P readings. Pain medication when used in the proper way is not only for pain but to allow the body to start the healing process.

Best wishes for a speedy and pain free recovery.

I will keep my professionsl opinion to myself on his broken jaw.

Karen
Twenty five years - General Dental Assistant
Five years - Head Periodontal Surgical Assistant with IV Sedation

SiReNiTa - 9-16-2011 at 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Neal Johns
Q: Doctor, I've heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true?
A: Heart only good for so many beats, and that it... Don't waste on exercise. Everything wear out eventually. Speeding up heart not make you live longer; it like saying you extend life of car by driving faster. Want to live longer? Take nap.

Q: Should I reduce my alcohol intake?
A: Oh no. Wine made from fruit. Brandy distilled wine, that mean they take water out of fruity bit so you get even more of goodness that way. Beer also made of grain. Bottom up!

Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio?
A: Well, if you have body and you have fat, your ratio one to one. If you have two body, your ratio two to one.

Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program?
A: Can't think of single one, sorry. My philosophy: No pain...good!

Q: Aren't fried foods bad for you?
A: YOU NOT LISTENING! Food fried in vegetable oil. How getting more vegetable be bad?

Q : Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle?
A: Oh no! When you exercise muscle, it get bigger. You should only be doing sit-up if you want bigger stomach.

Q: Is chocolate bad for me?
A: You crazy?!? HEL-LO-O!! Cocoa bean! Another vegetable! It best feel-good food around!

Q: Is swimming good for your figure?
A: If swimming good for figure, explain whale to me.

Q: Is getting in shape important for my lifestyle?
A: Hey! 'Round' is shape!

Well... I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets.

And remember:
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a ride!!"

AND.....

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting nutritional studies.

1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

3. The Chinese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans...

5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

CONCLUSION: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

ROFLMAO!!!!! Love it, that post just made my whole day!

Ok now on to more serious issues...after another LONG day at the hospital, and a great dinner with great friends, new and old I finally have a few minutes (and really only a few minutes) to sit on my couch at home and just chill, watch tv and catch up on this thread.

I won't repeat what has been said earlier on the thread don't worry!

I just heard from Fdt a little while ago and he was on his way to the hospital General to see Cristina, Ron is asking why she doesn't call and why her phone is off, so Ferna is trying to figure out a way to communicate them. Cristina should be out of the hospital later today.
Ron apparently wants to go home, he is super bored and tired of lying down.

It appears that since Cristina is well on her way to recovery she will be able to be reunited with Ron, maybe even as early as today, so that they can make what ever decisions they have coming up together.

At the moment I've got a house to clean..it's amazing what 4-5 days with out a woman present can turn a house in to! After a quick sweep and clean up we are heading out to meet with Bajafam and fdt, who's wonderful daughter spent the night at our house, going for a bite to eat then back to the hospital to see Ron.

TTYL <3

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by redmesa
Now I keep thinking someone will start a new BAJA LIST about safety and medical issues. People, places, numbers and things????

#1 on the list:

http://www.uzitalk.com/images/mini.gif

Catastrophy Insurance

Mula - 9-16-2011 at 10:47 AM

I just got quotes from GNP Seguros in Loreto for Medical / Catastrophy Insurance.
I am 62 - $3400 USD per year. with 22,500 pesos deductible.
My husband is 56 - $2400 USD per year with same deductible.

There is a lower cost policy, but the deductible is 33,500 pesos.

Also there is IMSS for just every day stuff . . .
3472 Pesos per year for me and 2307 pesos per year for my husband.

These quotes are from 2 weeks ago.

Udo - 9-16-2011 at 10:48 AM

Number one on the list is to START start making the list.

However...somewhere near or at the top of the list is to always carry a can of "BEAR MACE", even for a walk down the beach. It's for sale in many places on the web, as well as ebay.

astrobaja - 9-16-2011 at 10:58 AM

Maybe now that Rons approaching normal (whatever that is) consciouness and if he is asking about whats going on back at his house.

Chava related to us that he erected a temporary gate at the house so that the dogs could be left to run loose for more security. Ron has a beautiful tall stone fence around his property. Chava also took the liberty of moving Rons tools to a safer location.
Chava is planning on visiting Ron and Cristina this saturday, he will be finished working with us by end of today.

Udo - 9-16-2011 at 11:08 AM

Chupa,
How does one go about signing up for either one of the policies you are referring to?

Quote:

Originally posted by Chupa
I just got quotes from GNP Seguros in Loreto for Medical / Catastrophy Insurance.
I am 62 - $3400 USD per year. with 22,500 pesos deductible.
My husband is 56 - $2400 USD per year with same deductible.

There is a lower cost policy, but the deductible is 33,500 pesos.

Also there is IMSS for just every day stuff . . .
3472 Pesos per year for me and 2307 pesos per year for my husband.

These quotes are from 2 weeks ago.

Cypress - 9-16-2011 at 11:46 AM

Ron and Cristina, Get well soon!

Mula - 9-16-2011 at 11:46 AM

For the every day IMSS coverage, go to the administrative office of your local IMSS hospital or clinic and ask for a quote. They will have you bring your FMT or FM whatever, a photo or 2 and make an appointment for an examine with their Dr. and voila, you hopefully will be accepted. This does not cover pre-existing conditions.

But is great for x rays, prescriptions, etc.

The GNP Seguros is a huge company and should have a local representative. In Loreto it is Arturo Mercado.

ocotillo - 9-16-2011 at 11:48 AM

Chupa - Udo, check it out.............

http://www.escapeartist.com/Expatriate_Insurance/

escapeartist.com

Mula - 9-16-2011 at 11:55 AM

At the very top of their newsletter it says " well, here we are into the summer of 2009". . . that knocks them out of the running for me immediately because I don't look at anything on the internet that hasn't been updated within the last 6 months. If they want my money, it's got to be absolutely current information. What companies are still operating and what are not?

True at the bottom of the site it has a 2011 date, but that is just for copyrite validity.

But it is an interesting site that I had never heard of before and will probably look at every now and then.

Udo - 9-16-2011 at 12:00 PM

Gracias for the info, ocotillo...

and a gracious welcome to BAJANOMAD

ocotillo - 9-16-2011 at 12:09 PM

Thank you Udo, been here before off & on over the years w/ different handles/email acct's, but like a wayward child of Baja I always return..........

shari - 9-16-2011 at 12:30 PM

dennis...i'm gonna need a bigger purse man.

karen I for one would appreciate hearing your theory on jaw operations and the process better explained...especially with your experience.

ron & cristina will be united finally which will lead to them getting on the long road to recovery...that sure is gonna be an emotional scene!!!

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by ocotillo
Thank you Udo, been here before off & on over the years w/ different handles/email acct's, but like a wayward child of Baja I always return..........

OhOh........RED FLAG!!! :lol:

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by shari
ron & cristina will be united finally which will lead to them getting on the long road to recovery...that sure is gonna be an emotional scene!!!

They better have a shrink standing in the hallway. This may be when all the bones are unburied.

BajaNomad - 9-16-2011 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by astrobaja
Chava is planning on visiting Ron and Cristina this saturday, he will be finished working with us by end of today.

Astrobaja,

We would like contact # for Chava, or for him to directly contact FDT in Ensenada - a.s.a.p. Please check u2u for more info.

Thank you!

Karen you make an excellent point

EnsenadaDr - 9-16-2011 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by karenintx

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNomad
Said he was too "hypertensive" making it difficult to work on him and complete the procedure.

Quote:

astrobaja - 9-16-2011 at 01:20 PM

I'll see if we can get a call out using our cell phone amplifier, sometimes it works sometimes no. But for sure later today Chava will call Ferna!

Mike

BajaBlanca - 9-16-2011 at 01:20 PM

Happy reuniting Cristina y Ron - q les vaya super bien en estas tristes circunstancias ...

Happy Mexican Independence Day to all BajaNomaders !

It must be so boring to be in a hospital bed AND to not be able to use the internet horrible to wonder Where is my Wifey ?!! I'm hurting here !

I for one am glad that I am not around for this reunion being the crybaby that I am ... tears spill over now just thinking about it.

Pain Management

EnsenadaDr - 9-16-2011 at 01:24 PM

Sorry Karen I did want to post something but I still haven't got all the kinks out..with practice I will be able to quote your statement...and you are PERFECTLY correct, without proper pain management, blood pressure can go sky high..that is one reason why the scarce to none use of narcotics in pain management and post op patients can complicate the patients....your point was something that I had for a minute forgotten, but lack of proper pain management with adequate medication (here in Mexico they rely on anti inflammatory meds primarily) can be a worrisome issue.

tripledigitken - 9-16-2011 at 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Sorry Karen I did want to post something but I still haven't got all the kinks out..with practice I will be able to quote your statement...and you are PERFECTLY correct, without proper pain management, blood pressure can go sky high..that is one reason why the scarce to none use of narcotics in pain management and post op patients can complicate the patients....your point was something that I had for a minute forgotten, but lack of proper pain management with adequate medication (here in Mexico they rely on anti inflammatory meds primarily) can be a worrisome issue.

Dr,

FYI, Ron has posted that he takes blood pressure medicine.

Ken

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=54361#pid6416...

[Edited on 9-16-2011 by tripledigitken]

redmesa - 9-16-2011 at 01:34 PM

I've started a topic and am going through this thread moving things that to me seem important to that topic. Please help me. I know I have very little knowledge and resources to draw on concerning emergencies in Baja. I would love to know of Doctors in different locals and hospitals and phone numbers to call, ambulance services, money/credit card use at hospitals, etc. Shari and Blanca please help get started with this. Or you can just go at it yourselves.
When we get a list i am going to print it and keep it in my Baja File.
Suzanne

BajaNomad - 9-16-2011 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=54361#pid6416...

Actually:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=54361&pag...

Also:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=32241&pag...

BajaNomad - 9-16-2011 at 02:00 PM

fyi...

Cristina was discharged from the General Hospital today... and if I understood correctly, she's had her hair done, is wearing a neck brace (to conceal her neck wound from Ron), and is in Ron's room at del Carmen right now visiting with him.

Reunion

John M - 9-16-2011 at 02:12 PM

Super news - let's hope it's actually happening right now!

John M

Cypress - 9-16-2011 at 02:14 PM

So Ron is being lied to, deceived etc. about what actually took place? Something about all this isn't sounding very good.

BajaNomad - 9-16-2011 at 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
So Ron is being lied to, deceived etc. about what actually took place? Something about all this isn't sounding very good.

Well, he's remembering more and more about things that took place...

...and what they tell me they want to do is keep his hypertension, blood pressure, etc.. down, and that he's likely to boil over if he finds out many details of what happened to CRISTINA.

I've received a request from the family that if Ron goes home tonight - and from what I hear he wants out of the hospital a.s.a.p..... that they wish that I might conceal the posts on this thread (like to the newspaper article[s]) - or even the whole thread - for a short time.

Much of this revolves around what discussion Cristina and Ron are having at the hospital right now.

And yes, I'm confirming - again - that she IS at the del Carmen visiting with Ron.

ELINVESTIG8R - 9-16-2011 at 02:31 PM

I agree please take it off line as soon as he leaves the hospital until he has recovered! Thank you!

Diver - 9-16-2011 at 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
And yes, I'm confirming - again - that she IS at the del Carmen visiting with Ron.

Hooray !!

MMc - 9-16-2011 at 02:33 PM

Trust the folks that are there. They are doing what they think is best for all involved. All of it will come out over time.
Those of us on the sidelines don't get to make the calls or play in the game.
Look at the fire storm we created 3 days ago, didn't change anything.
MMc

beachbum1A - 9-16-2011 at 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Chupa
For the every day IMSS coverage, go to the administrative office of your local IMSS hospital or clinic and ask for a quote. They will have you bring your FMT or FM whatever, a photo or 2 and make an appointment for an examine with their Dr. and voila, you hopefully will be accepted. This does not cover pre-existing conditions.

Isn't this the same policy that DOES COVER pre-existing conditions after the third year of coverage?

pre existing

Mula - 9-16-2011 at 02:42 PM

Yes it is the same one that after 3 years does cover pre existing conditions.

mtgoat666 - 9-16-2011 at 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
So Ron is being lied to, deceived etc. about what actually took place? Something about all this isn't sounding very good.

my advice: just tell him what happened! he will figure it out eventually. all the secrecy may be with good intentionns, but seems to violate his rights to make his own informed decisions about his own health care. how can he understand his treatment options if you lie to him about how it happened?

shari - 9-16-2011 at 03:30 PM

the truth will set you free...knowing Ron, I agree that he would want to know the truth asap...if I was Ron...I would definitely want to know what happened so I can make informed decisions about what to do next for my family...I understand protecting him from the truth the first day he was conscious but now he & cristina must face the music...it aint pretty but they must start the healing process.

Timo1 - 9-16-2011 at 03:33 PM

I can't believe that I'm agreeing with goat

must be getting old

LVNature - 9-16-2011 at 03:34 PM

Hello there ALL Nomads............thank you for this Forum and glad to now be part of it.
This is Angels4 (Laura's) husband, I have spent some time with Ron and Cristina. INCREDIBLE!!!!! Prayer is something soooooo Powerfull that It is very hard to swallow what I have seen with my own eyes. There and Here in this Forum.....

GOD I Thank you for what you have done!!!!!!

rubencastillo - 9-16-2011 at 03:34 PM

Let's just thank God their going to be ok , Going to take awhile to get up on there feet. Thanks Doug for getting me a new pass word..What a bunch of good folks on this web. site..Bless you all. Ruben, from lakeside,Ca...

tripledigitken - 9-16-2011 at 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by Timo1
I can't believe that I'm agreeing with goat

must be getting old

Ditto except the old part.

:lol:

Katiejay99 - 9-16-2011 at 03:37 PM

Agreed Shari. Plus, give a "computer" person a computer and the internet and he'll find out for himself really fast. Better to let him know, now that Cristina is with him he should be able to handle it much better.

I'm still sending those prayers! Good luck Ron and Cristina and rest easy knowing that you have a HUGE "Family" that cares very much for you both. Feliz de la Independencia (of everything, including the day).

LVNature - 9-16-2011 at 03:43 PM

Ron and Christina Que Dios los bendiga! Que se recuperen pronto y nos estaremos viendo muy pronto. Desde Bakersfield, cuenten con nosotros en lo que necesiten, aqui estamos para lo que quieran!!!!!!!

Yo se que todo va a estar bien!

LV

Mulegena - 9-16-2011 at 03:46 PM

He isn't a child and he's NOT non compos mentis.
His amazing recovering is exactly what we've all been praying for.

Think how betrayed he'll feel if this ruse-- and it is a bald-faced ruse-- continues further...
talk about angry and high blood pressure!!

Hi LVNature

Gypsy Jan - 9-16-2011 at 03:48 PM

Welcome to the Baja Nomad board and thank you so much for providing an update about the healing of your family.

Que le vaya bien.

Gypsy Jan

Woooosh - 9-16-2011 at 03:49 PM

I think it's nobel gesture that is not practical. He'll just see the other sites that have posted less-flattering views of nomads actions. Let him see the love first.

BajaNomad - 9-16-2011 at 03:51 PM

Just fyi...

FDT called me from Ron's room. As Ron's mouth is shut from yesterday's procedure he's not able to talk to me, but I did tell him on the phone that he has an INCREDIBLE amount of people that are concerned about him and wishing him well in many ways, whether it's sending good thoughts and prayers his way, to lending other support for his current circumstances (maybe not my exact words, but something along those lines).

Fernando let me know he smiled and gave a big thumbs up to everyone on the board.

I didn't want to say too much for fear of... well, saying too much - at this point.

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Mulegena
Think how betrayed he'll feel if this ruse--

Which one?

KASHEYDOG - 9-16-2011 at 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNomad

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Originally posted by Cypress
So Ron is being lied to, deceived etc. about what actually took place? Something about all this isn't sounding very good.

I agree with both of you. BUT, the story MUST come from the family first..... When they feel the time is right. Then put the thread back on OR if he requests it himself.

woody with a view - 9-16-2011 at 04:18 PM

he's a big boy. we all would want to know what the truth is, even if the truth hurts.....

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
I agree with both of you. BUT, the story MUST come from the family first..... When they feel the time is right. Then put the thread back on OR if he requests it himself.

Why? There are people here who are less emotionally involved that have referenced opinions.

This has become a feeding frenzy of rightousnes.

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Gruñón
All I can say is I was standing by Rons bed when Cristina entered the room.

What happened next brought tears to my eyes and I had to leave the room.

After she left Ron and I both had a good cry.

Thanks, G.

SiReNiTa - 9-16-2011 at 04:32 PM

It's the family that will decide when and how to tell him, I agree that he needs to know the truth, but it's not up to us.
Cristina visited with him this morning and will be back tonight to visit again, she and his daughter will make that decision together, as well as any other decisions that need to be made.

I think that even though he may feel hurt, upset or even a bit betrayed by being lied to, he will also understand that we did it for his own good, even if it is not the right choice (depending on who's opinion it is). Ron, as Crissy (his daughter) stated a while back on the thread, knows very well that we are all human and that as humans we make mistakes, I believe that he will see through everyone's words and actions and know that everything that has been done or said has been for him and his well being, we all have different opinions on everything that goes on, but our intentions are the same.

MikeYounghusband - 9-16-2011 at 04:42 PM

Ron is a good man and should know the truth. Perhaps the best thing is for Cristina to tell him. Most definitly before he gets near a computer. God bless the Nomads and their prayers.

Mike

Pompano - 9-16-2011 at 04:42 PM

Well said, young lady.

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 05:03 PM

He probably doesn't have Amnesia.....just blank spots in memory. It will all come back in his time.....not yours.
He should be attended by a counsler when triggers, such as his wife, are brought back into his life.

mcfez - 9-16-2011 at 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
So Ron is being lied to, deceived etc. about what actually took place? Something about all this isn't sounding very good.

We start a new thread...........in the General Topics.

A "Get Well" thread with all the funnies and love...no reference to the incident itself.....

I'm out the door here and HAVE to go. DENNIS...you wish to open a new "get well" post?

[Edited on 9-17-2011 by mcfez]

LVNature - 9-16-2011 at 05:19 PM

Sirenita, Well Put.....

His Family should decide on that. His wife made this decision not to inform him now. If she feels that he should be told about it, I am more than confident that she will do so or ask for someone to tell him. She knows Ron more then anyone on this Forum.

I think, we should be glad that they are this well now. Ron is a big boy, and if I had to guess he knows what is going on and he is going along with us.
It was very important that he heard or seen Cristina. She was there and talked to him.
One thing at a time please.
LV

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
I'm out the door here and HAVE to go. DENNIS...you wish to open a new "get well" post?

Sure, Deno....as soon as he is in a condition to read and understand it.

We shouldn't rush these things.

David K - 9-16-2011 at 05:40 PM

I am happy to hear they had a reunion... Hooray!

Now, tell the man the truth of what happened... he isn't a child... and he isn't waiting for more surgey, right?

wessongroup - 9-16-2011 at 05:47 PM

Would think it would be rather hard to keep information from this guy, very long... Hi Ron !! :biggrin:

[Edited on 9-17-2011 by wessongroup]

BajaBlanca - 9-16-2011 at 05:52 PM

so glad that Cristina is up and about !!! Now she gets to make all the decisions along with Chrissy...... The way I see it is: We are off the hook folks, IMHO all we should do now is be on the sidelines and cheer A LOT and be there for the family ..

Congratulations Cristina and Ron on crossing one huge milestone !!!

Our prayers will surely continue so that the road ahead be smoother ....

fdt - 9-16-2011 at 05:53 PM

Ok, finaly, out here on the sidewalk I can get signal for my laptop. Christine is on her way down and should be here within the next 4 hours and then the family will be in charge of all the decision making. Thank you all for the support you have provided for Ron and Cristina. As i wrote before, I'm not going to be repetitive since I have been in contact with Doug via Nextel and he has reported to you. I feel honored to have been able to be here these last few days to help out as needed.
I will continue to keep you all informed via Doug of any further developments.

woody with a view - 9-16-2011 at 05:56 PM

you're a good man, Charlie Brown (Ferna!).... Thanks!

BajaNomad - 9-16-2011 at 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LVNature
His wife made this decision not to inform him now.

As noted by LV, this is the request/determination of his wife. I'm told that she did not give him any further details when speaking with him today.

I would agree with another comment earlier that Ron's not an Internet newbie... even if/when I pull this thread (temporarily) - it's quite possible (maybe even likely) that he'll find the detailed stories published in the media anyway.

Looks like he's staying another night at del Carmen.

More donations have come in today from Nomads. Thank you. FDT is picking those up at Western Union right now I believe. It's likely that beyond today, the preferred way of getting donations to the family is sending Western Union to them in Ensenada. I'll let you know.

btw... 2 things we've learned:
- Use Western Union if you need to safely and quickly get $ to someone (at least in Ensenada). They've been flawless. Do not use Moneygram, even though their posted fees are lower.
- Given a choice of sending $ directly to the hospital, or to a family member or advocate... probably the latter, as the former presents some "challenges".

Just sayin'....

-
Doug

Bob H - 9-16-2011 at 06:18 PM

Oh My! We just returned home from vacation and just read about this horrible attack. They caught five of the seven and hopefully they will get the other two! I met Ron at the Younghusband presentation in San Diego and have been reading and following his posts and Talk Baja board for quite some time.

Nomads are a special group of people!

David K - 9-16-2011 at 06:20 PM

Thank you Doug :cool:

Osprey - 9-16-2011 at 06:35 PM

Dear Ron, I'm sending this as a u2u because Doug might shut down your thread any time now. I've held off sending you wishes and I have no more money to send you or anyone.

Lots of stories floating around about just what happened but I want you to know that you are my ultimate hero. You walked in the dark to your neighbor's house where a half dozen young Mexicans were taking your nieghbor's car apart -- there was a terrific melee and when it was all over you and your wife were seriously injured and you had killed all of them barehanded and destroyed their car.

When I learned you needed money for your hospital costs I sold my house and sent the money to somebody in Ensenada to help you.

I don't want you to worry about that part of it but if I ever come up your way and you happen to have some lobster (the co-op) and maybe some beers I wouldn't say no.

angels4 - 9-16-2011 at 06:37 PM

Hey Ron,
Well, what can I say you and Cristina SCARED the bejesus out of us!!!! But you both have such warrior spirits that nothing was going to keep you apart. You need to get back to your old gringo loco ways fast and furious. You owe me and the boys dinner at your place. Finish up that kitchen of yours, because as your good neighbor I'll be making frequent stops for dinner. Rumor has it that we left out a few details, but I know that you will figure things out on your own in due time. You can kick our butts later, but for now YOU and Cristina are who matters the most. I have never seen a happier Ron than the one who caressed my phone hearing Cristina's voice. You and Christina are an inspiration to all of us. I wouldn't think twice again to be by your side if you, Christina or Chrissy ever need me. But, don't milk it OK! You got lots of work waiting for you at home. You and Cristina have inspired me to be a better person with a kinder heart. Paz y buena vibra Don Gomez!!!

woody with a view - 9-16-2011 at 06:41 PM

^^^^^^^^^ end of thread ^^^^^^^^^^

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
I want you to know that you are my ultimate hero. You walked in the dark to your neighbor's house where a half dozen young Mexicans were taking your nieghbor's car apart -- there was a terrific melee and when it was all over you and your wife were seriously injured and you had killed all of them barehanded and destroyed their car.

When I learned you needed money for your hospital costs I sold my house and sent the money to somebody in Ensenada to help you.

You, Jorge, are a wonderful, sensitive human being. All of the right things to say and moves to make you have and it warms my heart to share in your feelings for the Hoffs, Roland and Harriet.

By the humble way....I haven't as yet received your large and gracious Dollar/Peso effort to participate, so I'll YOUtooYOU my contact stuff once again and may I suggest you double your rendition of largesse so your place in heaven will be carved it stone.

Grazzi....

angels4 - 9-16-2011 at 07:03 PM

Osprey- correction, you left out the part about the little green man jumping off the spaceship to take the bad guys dissect them and feed them to their alien pets.

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by angels4
Osprey- correction, you left out the part about the little green man jumping off the spaceship to take the bad guys dissect them and feed them to their alien pets.

Careful what you ask for. :lol:

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 07:25 PM

Is that what Roland and Harriet would want? Fine by me.

Ken Cooke - 9-16-2011 at 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNomad
I would agree with another comment earlier that Ron's not an Internet newbie... even if/when I pull this thread (temporarily) - it's quite possible (maybe even likely) that he'll find the detailed stories published in the media anyway.

When I Googled (yes, it's a verb) "Ronald Hoff + San Quintin", several recent results appeared:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/13/us-expat-and-...

***************.blogspot.com2011/09/0911-violence-tijuana-americans.html

***************.blogspot.com2011_09_01_archive.html

http://www.talkbaja.com/showthread.php?s=7416bfa6d3c50e54a5b...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/puntabandanewsletter/message/2...

http://www.tjamigos.com/index.php?showtopic=52030

http://mexicoperspective.com/

Packoderm - 9-16-2011 at 09:04 PM

I set up a Western Union online account, but I still quite don't quite know where to send the funds. Would somebody please set up a paypal account? Maybe somebody can set up a closed thread with instructions on sending funds. I don't care about transparency. I just want to send a modest amount of money, and if it gets to where it's supposed to, so much the better.

Skipjack Joe - 9-16-2011 at 09:27 PM

You can just call Discover Baja and do your credit card transaction by phone as some of us have done. They will walk you through it.

619-275-4225

Packoderm - 9-16-2011 at 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
You can just call Discover Baja and do your credit card transaction by phone as some of us have done. They will walk you through it.

619-275-4225

I'll give them a call in the morning. Thank you.

BajaNomad - 9-16-2011 at 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Packoderm

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
You can just call Discover Baja and do your credit card transaction by phone as some of us have done. They will walk you through it.

619-275-4225

I'll give them a call in the morning. Thank you.

While Discover Baja will not turn you away if you call, as was announced here, they were collecting funds through close-of-business on Thursday. Anything they get now may not reach the family for some time, as the rest of the donations have already been received by the family.

BTW... Carol @ DB told me there were 22 donations through Discover Baja.

Fernando's planning to return to Tijuana later this evening and Christine Hoff should be in Ensenada by now. I'd imagine that starting tomorrow there will be someone else designated to be the recipient via Western Union in Ensenada. It also depends on if/what/when the decisions for Ron will be as of tomorrow.

BajaNomad - 9-16-2011 at 10:03 PM

Oh,

I've mentioned it to some people I've spoken with.... but want to also point out to everyone....

With Discover Baja taking your credit card donations over the phone, and turning around and donating the cash dollar-for-dollar - after the cost of credit card transactions to the merchant - Discover Baja has absorbed hundreds of dollars in fees with all of this. That, combined with the time Carol and the staff spent here, and they've made considerable contributions that could easily be overlooked... and I wanted to give a little more spotlight to them for their efforts to assist with the situation.

Thank you again to Discover Baja for having no hesitation in saying "yes" when assistance was requested.

Super cool.

Woooosh - 9-16-2011 at 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Packoderm

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
You can just call Discover Baja and do your credit card transaction by phone as some of us have done. They will walk you through it.

619-275-4225

I'll give them a call in the morning. Thank you.

They were very nice when I called. Took two minutes. Good on them!

BajaBlanca - 9-17-2011 at 07:27 AM

Thanks Discover Baja and come and visit us soon !

Pompano - 9-17-2011 at 07:44 AM

Discover Baja was quick and painless in helping Ron & Cristine. Carol handled it very professionally and cordially. Give 'em a round of applause.

I've always liked being a member for the comfort and no-hustle atmosphere of thier business in an easy-to-find location. (even Co-pilot found it....AND their tree.) :yes:

Fishing licenses, tourist visas for passengers, permits for this and that, good rate on insurance, great Baja books, delicious free coffee and fat-free doughnut.

http://www.discoverbaja.com/

Tell em Roger sent you...and I get another doughnut!

shari - 9-17-2011 at 09:55 AM

i too was very impressed with how Carol jumped into the fray with no hesitation and appreciate their donation as well..she was very polite and professional when I called her as well....(unlike another person I had the misfortune of calling to ask for some help from another agency who was quite rude.)

anyway...just talked to sirena who is on her way to the hospital again hopefully to wave goodbye to the family on their way out...she was there till late last night and is happy the family is together and making a plan.

I want to express a huge amount of gratitude to those of you who responded and went to the hospital, lizard lips, dennis, ferna, sirenita, angel, and others who made time to go down there...and of course all of you who prayed and contributed time & $$ to assist ron & cristina in their time of need....lets keep it up kids....have a wonderful day nomads.

bajafam - 9-17-2011 at 10:40 AM

We stopped in yesterday on our way out of Baja...Ron was sleeping but we left him a picture that Erin had drawn for him - a guardian angel.
Happy to hear that Ron and Cristina are together and on their way to full recoveries. Amazing bunch of Nomads here, folks.
Continued to prayers....

David K - 9-17-2011 at 11:15 AM

One terrible week... taken from BajaGringo and Cristina! I hope they recover fully soon, so they can return to their normal/ busy lives!

woody with a view - 9-17-2011 at 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
i too was very impressed with how Carol jumped into the fray with no hesitation and appreciate their donation as well..she was very polite and professional when I called her as well....(unlike another person I had the misfortune of calling to ask for some help from another agency who was quite rude.)

I want to express a huge amount of gratitude to those of you who responded and went to the hospital, lizard lips, dennis, ferna, sirenita, angel, and others who made time to go down there...and of course all of you who prayed and contributed time & $$ to assist ron & cristina in their time of need....lets keep it up kids....have a wonderful day nomads.

spill it Shari. we need to know who we're dealing with!

every situation that arises here is met with a new group of Angels responding at a moments notice. Ron and Cristina are just the latest to receive the blessings of Nomads.....

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=35475#pid3735...

for as much acrimony that arises here, i'm still glad to know all y'alls.... and that includes everyone. the sandbox wouldn't be the same without Nomads....

:light:

Woooosh - 9-17-2011 at 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
One terrible week... taken from BajaGringo and Cristina! I hope they recover fully soon, so they can return to their normal/ busy lives!

taken from many of us.

shari - 9-17-2011 at 12:31 PM

excellent news update...ron is checking out right now...yeah!!! sirenta will do a full update when she gets home....go ron go...run forrest run!

DENNIS - 9-17-2011 at 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
taken from many of us.

Well said, Sr. Woooosh.
When I saw Ron all battered in that bed, a couple of recollections of my own life flashed before my eyes. It was like looking in an old mirror.
Oh well.....still here to laugh about it. :lol:

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the mas guapo of them all??

EnsenadaDr - 9-17-2011 at 12:39 PM

You mean you still don't laugh at yourself when you look in the mirror?? Ha Ha Dennis sorry you left yourself wide open for that one, pal!!!!

shari - 9-17-2011 at 12:59 PM

I for one am happy to give a week of my life for ron & cristina...especially if it is for helping them recover!!!! :bounce:

this has touched us on many different levels...we have cried, worried, angered, learned alot and are now elated they are on the road to recovery.

DENNIS - 9-17-2011 at 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
You mean you still don't laugh at yourself when you look in the mirror??

Yes. Joyous, hysterical laughter just like this ---> :lol:

.....that I'm still here to do that.

Osprey - 9-17-2011 at 01:41 PM

Okay, I made it to the hospital. Which room is Ron in?

DENNIS - 9-17-2011 at 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
Okay, I made it to the hospital. Which room is Ron in?

Look in the c-cktail Lounge. I saw a Pacifico sign over the main entrance.

bajamigo - 9-17-2011 at 02:34 PM

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