BajaNomad - BC and BCS COVID-19 Active Cases

And it begins again: Any travellers flying into Canada for Christmas (other than from US) met with even more restrictions and additional quarantining. Omicron cases cited as the reason. Africans barred altogether.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ottawa-to-require-testing-...

Does canada have a bunch of looney rightwingnut antivaxxers and antimaskers like usa?

Hearing from the Fringes

MrBillM - 12-2-2021 at 10:19 AM

Reading the remarks of the dueling fringe representatives here, it's quite apparent that neither actually listens enough to the opposing networks to really assess their coverage.

Being something of a news junkie and constantly bouncing from CNN, MSNBC, Fox along with some of the lesser known news channels at home and on the road, I've found that the first three cover all of the issues and incidents on a regular basis. The difference among the various "opinionators" being the emphasis they express concerning political viewpoint.

The claim by either side that one or more ignore ANY story due to its political implications is nonsense.

JDCanuck - 12-2-2021 at 11:28 AM

Well, I'm a bit confused why some networks refuse to cover the continuously declining case fatality rates and virus growth in the states and countries that are doing the best, while focusing on those that are doing poorly.
I am far more interested in treatments or policies that actually work well than accusations against those that are temporarily backsliding.

JZ - 12-2-2021 at 11:32 AM

Covid is a political topic. It shouldn't be, but it 100% is.

It was used to impact an election. And now it is being used to control a population.

JDCanuck - 12-2-2021 at 11:40 AM

Our biggest problem here is all non-emergency but life saving operations like operable cancers,etc have been drastically curtailed (causing even more deaths) while the exact opposite should be happening, as it has been in Sweden. They actually expanded their available hospital beds and ICU's and now have among the lowest ongoing case fatality rates from the virus globally. We are shutting ours down because of Covid lockdowns.

4x4abc - 12-2-2021 at 11:54 AM

I'm a moderate btw.

[Edited on 12-2-2021 by JZ]

best joke of the day

JZ - 12-2-2021 at 11:58 AM

Covid isn't going away. We should be talking a lot more about treatments that are coming. The government should be driving them. And promoting them.

Instead of trying to blame Covid on the unvaxxed. Which isn't even true.

Skipjack Joe - 12-2-2021 at 12:12 PM

The math behind the effectiveness of masking:

https://aatishb.com/maskmath/

John Harper - 12-2-2021 at 12:37 PM

I'm a moderate btw.

best joke of the day

Almost had wheatgrass juice squirt out my nostrils. Hilarious.

John

JZ - 12-2-2021 at 10:01 PM

I heard today that at home Covid tests in Europe are 1 Euro. And in the US they are $20. Not sure if that is 100% fact.

But if it is, it would be a good thing for the govt. to push to lower them in the US.

My youngest was sick this week and I put off going with him to get an Xmas tree worrying he might have Covid.

Cheap tests are a very good thing.

[Edited on 12-3-2021 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 12-2-2021 at 10:46 PM

Has anyone else noticed that in the past 2 years we now have created over a hundred...perhaps far more...variations of this one original virus despite repetitive "vaccinations", massive lock downs, closing of health care facilities, cancellations of urgent life saving operations, rapidly rising debt and deletion of multitudes of jobs? I don't see any end to this cycle, do you?

4x4abc - 12-2-2021 at 11:51 PM

I heard today that at home Covid tests in Europe are 1 Euro. And in the US they are $20. Not sure if that is 100% fact.

But if it is, it would be a good thing for the govt. to push to lower them in the US.

My youngest was sick this week and I put off going with him to get an Xmas tree worrying he might have Covid.

Cheap tests are a very good thing.

[Edited on 12-3-2021 by JZ]

are you promoting socialism?
You?

and by the way, tests in Germany are free (one per week)
super socialism

RFClark - 12-3-2021 at 10:16 PM

Yes, Australia s offering free transportation to their barbwire enclosed “voluntary COVID camps” too!

Ain't Socialism grand? (Not!)

JZ - 12-3-2021 at 10:35 PM

Australia has lost their F'ing minds.

That country is a very cautionary tale.

JDCanuck - 12-4-2021 at 05:19 AM

RFClark: It does seem like a natural endpoint to physically segregate the increasingly adamant 85% that maintain everyone must be jabbed whether they agree or not from the 15% that are unwilling to be a part of this great experiment to wipe out viruses.
So who pays for these segregated camps?
It all seemed so believable back when we were told it would only take 70% to achieve immunity, we are well above that now locally (over 90%) and the deaths of those over 80 attributed to Covid are accelerating.

[Edited on 12-4-2021 by JDCanuck]

JDCanuck - 12-4-2021 at 07:32 AM

Thought it might be interesting to see what one large country has spent on this battle so far.
https://www.usaspending.gov/disaster/covid-19?publicLaw=all

Mexico's President meanwhile makes this unprecedented request to the rest of the world including the US to save uncounted lives living in poverty:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/11/10/mexico-amlo-...

And here is the ongoing response from the man who used to be the wealthiest Capitalist in the world, before he began giving it away, his latest statement being he was far better at directing his wealth than the government would be if they chose to take it away from him:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2021/06/23/war...

[Edited on 12-4-2021 by JDCanuck]

mtgoat666 - 12-4-2021 at 07:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark

Yes, Australia s offering free transportation to their barbwire enclosed “voluntary COVID camps” too!

Ain't Socialism grand? (Not!)

U.S. Conservatives Want to Save Australia From ‘COVID Tyranny.’ Australians Aren’t Interested

https://time.com/6109361/australia-covid-vaccine-mandate-owe...

What Can We Learn From Australia’s Covid-19 Response?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/24/wha...

RFClark - 12-4-2021 at 08:50 AM

Australia started life as a penal colony! They have simply gone back to their roots! Other countries like New Zealand and Canada have no such excuse, nor does the US!

Who pays for it? If a majority who die are consumers of government services then government has lots of resources it can direct elsewhere! Then there is the distribution of the assets of the deceased!

mtgoat666 - 12-4-2021 at 09:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark

Australia started life as a penal colony! They have simply gone back to their roots! Other countries like New Zealand and Canada have no such excuse, nor does the US!

Who pays for it? If a majority who die are consumers of government services then government has lots of resources it can direct elsewhere! Then there is the distribution of the assets of the deceased!

You spend a lot of time criticizing Australian policies, without being cognizant of the FACT that most Australians are happy with their policies, and happy their family members did not die like so many needlessly died in USA.

It is only when the mirror has not spoken to Chimpanzee in a plain language that it thinks it looks more better than the Gorilla.

JZ - 12-4-2021 at 09:38 AM

Australia has a population of only 25M spread across a huge territory. Lots easier to close borders and contain a virus. But Goat never mentions any of that.

What that rogue leftist govt. did to it's population is awful. Melbourne had well over 260 days of lock downs and curfews.

They had manhunts for ppl who left quarantine.

Thank God we have the 2nd amendment and freedom here in the US. But for sure those power hungry libs want to take your freedoms from you. Stay vigilant.

[Edited on 12-4-2021 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 12-4-2021 at 09:58 AM

Australia
2,040 dead (9 per 100,000 people)

Usa
808,000 dead (249 per 100,000 people)

Looks like Australian’s value life more than Americans.

Usa covid dead total more than 270 9/11s

Usa covid dead total more than all usa soldiers that died in wars in 20th and 21st centuries combined.

Shame on gop for politicizing the public health efforts of government, and shame of gop for trying to prevent public health measures from saving usa lives!

JDCanuck - 12-4-2021 at 11:46 AM

By these same measures China is the world leader. Despite being the source of the virus, their claimed Covid deaths are almost non-existent. Guess locking suspected carriers in their homes works extremely well and saves a whole lot of unwanted expense treating them also.

JDCanuck - 12-5-2021 at 09:03 AM

Omicron fears soon to become a very secondary issue: China and Russia are both timing their aggressive stances well considering this news there are soon to be far fewer active military personnel

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/11/30/nearly-9000-m...

mtgoat666 - 12-5-2021 at 09:10 AM

Omicron fears soon to become a very secondary issue: China and Russia are both timing their aggressive stances well considering this news there are soon to be far fewer active military personnel

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/11/30/nearly-9000-m...

They had so many months to get the jab. If they cold not get their act together enough to get the jab, then perhaps they are dolts that don’t belong in military. I don’t want my tax dollars wasted on funding a military of idiots that can’t manage their time sufficiently to take 10mminutes to get the jab.
Boot the dolts now.

Same goes for idiot popo and fire fighters, if they are so stupid they can’t understand the jab is low risk and pandemic is high risk to society - these idiots don’t belong in public service. Fire them now. Send them to quarantine camps, and consider sterilization so we can rid idiocy from our gene pool

John Harper - 12-5-2021 at 09:21 AM

Even one Marine who refuses a lawful order is one too many.

John

JDCanuck - 12-5-2021 at 09:26 AM

Here is China's stated present take on the health of the US: I can't disagree with their observations. Worth a read i think:
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-12-05/China-releases-report-...

JZ - 12-5-2021 at 12:53 PM

are you promoting socialism?
You?

and by the way, tests in Germany are free (one per week)
super socialism

Biden requires health insurers to cover the cost of at-home COVID-19 tests amid growing concern over the Omicron variant

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-health-insurers-pay-fo...

pauldavidmena - 12-5-2021 at 04:00 PM

Biden requires health insurers to cover the cost of at-home COVID-19 tests amid growing concern over the Omicron variant

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-health-insurers-pay-fo...

This is long overdue. Right now, most health insurers will cover PCR tests, with a 2 or 3-day turnaround time, but at home tests cost enough to discourage most people of average means (including me) from buying them. Frequent "quick tests" are essential for a return to normalcy (whatever that is).

JZ - 12-5-2021 at 04:33 PM

It's a smart move by Biden for sure.

RFClark - 12-6-2021 at 04:13 AM

Goat,

The difference between Australia and the US as well as my criticism of their government can be stated simply!

“ Once the Federal Parliament has bestowed a right or entitlement in a statute, it is equally competent, under the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty, to take such a right away.(15) However, despite this clear legal position, significant political problems may arise from any such move.” (You think!)

“Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

People who don’t understand that the rights of citizens existed prior to the formation of the central government and that the authority of that government was limited in its founding documents won’t see a difference here! Some will see it and not like the concept! That said it’s still the law here!

Thank God!

JDCanuck - 12-9-2021 at 08:47 AM

Does anyone have a good explanation why Sweden, and now Fla have seen an extreme drop in both case fatality rates and also existing covid case counts? Fla now has the lowest continuing cases since June 26 2020. There is something being done in both places that is working extremely well, have they found some treatments that other areas are missing? Or is it just the levels of natural antibodies they have built up as some studies have indicated?

Florida:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Sweden:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

[Edited on 12-9-2021 by JDCanuck]

JZ - 12-9-2021 at 09:11 AM

Does anyone have a good explanation why Sweden, and now Fla have seen an extreme drop in both case fatality rates and also existing covid case counts? Fla now has the lowest continuing cases since June 26 2020. There is something being done in both places that is working extremely well, have they found some treatments that other areas are missing? Or is it just the levels of natural antibodies they have built up as some studies have indicated?

Florida:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Sweden:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

[Edited on 12-9-2021 by JDCanuck]

Florida has very high natural antibodies plus they are very aggressive on therapeutics.

JDCanuck - 12-9-2021 at 09:59 AM

This I think is big recent news:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-monoclonal-antibody-t...
Hopefully politically sourced resistance will decline with this latest development:
Quote: At this point in the pandemic, monoclonal antibodies are the top treatment option for people who've become infected with COVID-19, said Dr. Carlos del Rio, president-elect of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) board of directors, during an IDSA media briefing.

mtgoat666 - 12-9-2021 at 10:21 AM

Florida has very high natural antibodies plus they are very aggressive on therapeutics.

This I think is big recent news:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-monoclonal-antibody-t...
Hopefully politically sourced resistance will decline with this latest development:
Quote: At this point in the pandemic, monoclonal antibodies are the top treatment option for people who've become infected with COVID-19, said Dr. Carlos del Rio, president-elect of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) board of directors, during an IDSA media briefing.

I would much rather get vaccinated and wear a mask than have to get sick and require complex therapeutics like monoclonal antibodies.

I laugh when people say they dont want the vaccine to pollute their pristine bodies, but then are fine with intravenous monoclonal antibodies when they are in hospital on a ventilator :lol:

Good thing we got socialized medicine, because you would all go bankrupt if you had to pay for your own monoclonal antibody therapy and ICU visit with ventilator :lol:

anywho, the jab and a masking up are sure better than being in an ICU bed on ventilator getting IV of monoclonal antibdies while you are alone in ICU w/o patient advocacy due to covid restrictions on family visiting covid ward.

Be sure to facetime with your kids every night from ICU room, as you may never see them again!

JDCanuck - 12-9-2021 at 10:36 AM

Mr MTGoat: Once again, you posit that a pre or post exposure antibody treatment that saves lives automatically precludes vaccines or masks, despite us telling you multiple times over we have done both but wish people to know there is yet another level that will save even more lives.

Why are you so opposed to people using every tool in the available range of treatments to prevent deaths just because it was first suggested by a party other than your own? Remember who initiated the rapid development of experimental vaccines to begin with and who immediately opposed them? This crisis goes way beyond political parties and is something we should all be fighting side by side.

[Edited on 12-9-2021 by JDCanuck]

JZ - 12-9-2021 at 12:30 PM

Good thing we got socialized medicine, because you would all go bankrupt if you had to pay for your own monoclonal antibody therapy and ICU visit with ventilator :lol:

If you are older or at risk, for sure you should take the vax. If you are younger and in great health and maybe have natural immunity it's that person's personal decision.

You don't wait until you are super sick to take the antibody treatment. It's good to have both. Plus lots of other treatments are coming soon.

The current admin has focused to much on the vaccine mandates and used it to divide the country. Ppl on both sides are sick of it at this point and revolting.

caj13 - 12-9-2021 at 02:50 PM

jZ, any idea what a round of monoclonal antibody treatment costs? as compared to the cost of a vaccine? and once you answer that - any specific reason my insurance company should cover the cost of monoclonal antibody treatment to someone who did not get vaccinated?

JZ - 12-9-2021 at 03:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

jZ, any idea what a round of monoclonal antibody treatment costs? as compared to the cost of a vaccine? and once you answer that - any specific reason my insurance company should cover the cost of monoclonal antibody treatment to someone who did not get vaccinated?

Ppl do all sorts of things that are very risky that insurance covers the damage on.

Florida opened twenty five sites giving the treatment for free. They have cut that in half as case came way down.

Covering the treatment is also way less than covering hospitalization.

Again, both vaccines and therapeutics should be advanced.

mtgoat666 - 12-9-2021 at 06:41 PM

Covering the treatment is also way less than covering hospitalization.

The vaccine and a box of masks costs a whole lot less than treatment or hospitalization.
The vaccine is negligible risk.
Getting sick enough to require treatment or hospitalization is super risky.

JDCanuck - 12-9-2021 at 09:27 PM

Multiple studies have shown monoclonal antibodies treatment reduces death and serious illness by between 58% and 85% in exposed people. This is why the CDC and the Biden administration recommends it as a final life saving treatment. Recent small studies have also claimed injections may be as effective as the more costly and more difficult to distribute widely infusions. I posted that link earlier. Now we have Omicron which is far easier spread (3 to 4 times as easily)and in a very large number of cases those who contract it have been fully vaccinated and using all other precautions. Why would anyone oppose monoclonal antibody treatment to save 3 to 4 out of 5 of the present deaths attributed to Covid?

Costs are covered here:
https://www.phe.gov/emergency/events/COVID19/therapeutics/Pa...

JZ - 12-9-2021 at 09:42 PM

Multiple studies have shown monoclonal antibodies treatment reduces death and serious illness by between 58% and 85% in exposed people. This is why the CDC and the Biden administration recommends it as a final life saving treatment. Recent small studies have also claimed injections may be as effective as the more costly and more difficult to distribute widely infusions. I posted that link earlier. Now we have Omicron which is far easier spread (3 to 4 times as easily)and in a very large number of cases those who contract it have been fully vaccinated and using all other precautions. Why would anyone oppose monoclonal antibody treatment to save 3 to 4 out of 5 of the present deaths attributed to Covid?

Costs are covered here:
https://www.phe.gov/emergency/events/COVID19/therapeutics/Pa...

Good to know!

Is infusion administration covered by Medicare?

Yes. Medicare is covering costs for infusion administration. Learn more about Medicare coverage of the treatment.

Is infusion administration covered by Medicaid/Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)?

Yes. Medicaid/CHIP is covering costs for infusion administration. Learn more on page 2.

Is infusion administration covered by commercial insurance plans?

For patients covered under commercial insurance plans, costs of infusion may vary, but many large insurers are waiving all costs. Patients should check with their health plan to determine whether the patient will bear any administration costs.

JDCanuck - 12-9-2021 at 10:42 PM

Hi JZ: Unfortunately, altho some US states and now the US Health departments in general are promoting Regeneron widely this fall, Canada has not been as ready to recommend it, mainly because the Infusion method meant bringing patients already exposed into special negative pressure infusion sites in hospitals with specially trained technicians. Our Chief Medical Health Officer stated she was worried about infecting other patients in the hospital, so she preferred to wait til they were far more ill and then treat them in specialized ICU's of which we have far too few. Also, it is much more difficult to get tested for the virus here unless you already have strong symptoms.
Florida created a lot of special purpose infusion sites off hospital sites and the results are very positive along with very easily obtained testing which allows for early post exposure treatment. Sub cutaneous injections of monoclonal antibodies away from health care settings should hopefully finally convince our health officers this is the way to go as well as making testing more readily available.

Here is their response back in Sept prior to our latest surge in cases and fatalities locally:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8218172/canada-regeneron-monoclon...

[Edited on 12-10-2021 by JDCanuck]

4x4abc - 12-14-2021 at 11:03 AM

got my booster shot yesterday in La Paz
smooth process
(not me in that picture)

booster shot.jpg - 179kB

JZ - 12-14-2021 at 11:55 AM

Great to hear it is available in Baja Harald.

I did J&J initially, so did Pfizer as a booster.

[Edited on 12-14-2021 by JZ]

4x4abc - 12-14-2021 at 12:37 PM

Pfizer on the first 2 - booster with Astra Zeneca
we take what we get
no choices offered

JDCanuck - 12-14-2021 at 12:52 PM

Here is yet another hopeful advance, and it is reported to be even more effective than the Regeneron infusions in a simple pill form.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-confirms-covid-pill...

Along with recently announced free rapid tests locally following the US admin move, this may finally get us out of this cycle.

JDCanuck - 12-14-2021 at 12:59 PM

Pfizer on the first 2 - booster with Astra Zeneca
we take what we get
no choices offered

Hi Harald: You were way ahead of the workers out at our house. They only got their very first shots in early October 2021, and took the day off to get them. No idea why they were so late receiving them.

4x4abc - 12-14-2021 at 03:44 PM

Pfizer on the first 2 - booster with Astra Zeneca
we take what we get
no choices offered

I have monitored the announcements for vaccinations very closely. The government is pretty active on social media.
Your workers may have heard from someone who heard, then they did not react immediately, plus they had to take time off to travel.

I heard about the booster on Sunday - so i went online and requested a date.
Pretty smooth process by now.
A first for Mexico.
I cancelled all my plans and signed up for Monday (yesterday).
The only other option would have been today.
No dates offered for the near future.

Bajabus - 12-15-2021 at 01:44 PM

I got my AZ booster shot in Cabo yesterday as well. A bit more disorganized than the first two down there but to be fair there were a ton of people which was nice to see. As a plus they also had this years influenza shot which I took advantage of. Home Depot, Costco, the beer store and propane rounded it all out for an unusually productive day.

[Edited on 15-12-2021 by Bajabus]

JZ - 12-16-2021 at 05:36 PM

Great news for those of us who are flying. Southwest and AA CEO's say masks aren't needed on planes.

“I think the case is very strong that masks don’t add much, if anything, in the air cabin,” he said. “The environment is very safe, very high quality compared to any other indoor setting.”

https://thehill.com/regulation/transportation/586072-airline...

[Edited on 12-17-2021 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 12-16-2021 at 07:18 PM

Great news for those of us who are flying. Southwest and AA CEO's say masks aren't needed on planes.

“I think the case is very strong that masks don’t add much, if anything, in the air cabin,” he said. “The environment is very safe, very high quality compared to any other indoor setting.”

https://thehill.com/regulation/transportation/586072-airline...

[Edited on 12-17-2021 by JZ]

The corporate head of any airline would say that regardless of whether it is true, because it is hard to prove true or false, and he will always say what serves him best.

JZ - 12-16-2021 at 07:28 PM

The corporate head of any airline would say that regardless of whether it is true, because it is hard to prove true or false, and he will always say what serves him best.

Why do you always root for the virus?

Barry A. - 12-16-2021 at 07:51 PM

The corporate head of any airline would say that regardless of whether it is true, because it is hard to prove true or false, and he will always say what serves him best.

The Airline CEO's say it because it is provably true. The cabin air in an airliner totally circulates thru the HEPA filters every 6 or 7 mins. removing any contaminates by about 95%. Masks are a feel-good (?) requirement that are essentially useless in an Airliner. The Airports themselves are infinately more dangerous. Both my cousin, myself, and my Grand Son are Commercial Pilots.

mtgoat666 - 12-16-2021 at 08:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Both my cousin, myself, and my Grand Son are Commercial Pilots.

What did you fly? What airline?

I have been flying for over 50 years, as a passenger, and I can tell you planes are filthy, and people are packed so close together that air circulation does not prevent spread of disease. Sit next to someone, you breath that persons exhaust. Fact. Even a passenger can understand that.

P.s. have you looked at your fellow plane passengers? Most are fat and certainly unhealthy.

[Edited on 12-17-2021 by mtgoat666]

Lee - 12-16-2021 at 09:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Masks are a feel-good (?) requirement that are essentially useless in an Airliner. The Airports themselves are infinately more dangerous. Both my cousin, myself, and my Grand Son are Commercial Pilots.

You. and JZ, are entitled to post cluelesss misinformation. Pilots? More like Pudknockers.

Barry A. - 12-16-2021 at 09:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

You. and JZ, are entitled to post cluelesss misinformation. Pilots? More like Pudknockers.

What's a "pudknocker"?

Cousin-------Delta Airlines.
Grand Son---------Alaska Airlines
Me----------the National Park Service

[Edited on 12-17-2021 by Barry A.]

JDCanuck - 12-16-2021 at 11:04 PM

The latest info on the Omicron death rates from Africa where it was first noticed.... definitely worth a full read.
Some of course will call this "misinformation" as it doesn't fit previous determinations.
https://www.newsweek.com/omicron-covid-cases-may-already-pea...

Only one person is known to have died from Omicron so far, among tens of thousands of cases of it. Although there is a lag of a few days or weeks between case reporting and deaths, there has been no sign yet that Omicron leads to significantly more hospitalizations or deaths. As a result, South Africa has not imposed tighter restrictions since the new variant was discovered.

JZ - 12-16-2021 at 11:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

You. and JZ, are entitled to post cluelesss misinformation. Pilots? More like Pudknockers.

Misinformation? Now comments from two of the most influential airline CEOs in the world at a Senate hearing are misinformation??

Smh at how this term has been created by the MSM to baffle so many.

[Edited on 12-17-2021 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 12-17-2021 at 12:05 AM

More clues on Omicron:
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

When we flew to and from Mexico in early 2020, we personally wiped the surfaces on the plane surrounding us to the dismay of neighbouring passengers.We also wore masks in the airports, cabs and on the return flight in early March. We were surprised the customs agents and other airport employees wore no masks, altho we did notice the cleaning staff were being extra thorough and did wear masks.
This fall when we flew, we went through multiple vaccine passport checks,molecular tests for the virus before boarding, temperature checks at multiple checkpoints and wore masks constantly as did all the airport and plane employees. They also handed out wipes so we could sterilize our seats and surrounding surfaces. Then on arrival in Canada we had yet another random molecular testing applied.
I really don't know what else the airlines could do, they were far more thorough than the local Costco, Home Depot and Walmart stores were.

[Edited on 12-17-2021 by JDCanuck]

pacificobob - 12-17-2021 at 07:44 AM

Career pilot here. Transport category aircraft are filthy.
I know the the pressurization systems well.
Airflow in the cabin is a cost factor. More airflow = more fuel costs.
Many systems have an "econ" setting used as standard procedure to save fuel. [Cabin altitude higher/outflow valves cranked down. Limiting CFM through the pressurized areas]
Filters that remove virus? Never encountered a system that did that.
I retired 12 years ago, perhaps the airlines voluntary decided to add/maintain a costly system since then. Anyone know for sure?

[Edited on 12-17-2021 by pacificobob]

mtgoat666 - 12-17-2021 at 08:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

You. and JZ, are entitled to post cluelesss misinformation. Pilots? More like Pudknockers.

Countless CEOs have been revealed to be liars. These airline guys are just a few more liars in a long history of fibbing CEOs.

JZ - 12-17-2021 at 08:17 AM

Yeah, they are gonna lie to congress while testifying under oath.

Or, more likely they have been provided a stack of scientific evidences thicker than a Bible.

The MSM lies to you every single day. Some of them are very big lies.

pacificobob - 12-17-2021 at 08:26 AM

Thicker than a bible? Jeepers, that's a hard hitting analogy. Clearly any documents
Approaching that thickness must be factual.

JDCanuck - 12-17-2021 at 12:04 PM

More news on the severity of Omicron out of South Africa today:
https://nypost.com/2021/12/17/south-african-hospitalization-...

surabi - 12-18-2021 at 05:17 PM

Now comments from two of the most influential airline CEOs in the world

[Edited on 12-17-2021 by JZ]

??? The US isn't the center of the world. And that Southwest CEO just tested positive for Covid, so he obviously hasn't been conducting himself very intelligently.

Gonna get your moderator buddy to remove this post, like all my other posts that disappeared?

[Edited on 12-19-2021 by surabi]

Covid on ice?

AKgringo - 12-18-2021 at 05:46 PM

The subject was ice downhill. Letting air out of tires does not do much good when on sheet of ice going down hill.
Maybe a ripper attachment for trailer hitch :light:

While I agree that this thread has gone downhill a few times, I don't recall ice, or tire pressure being mentioned as a cause of, or treatment for Covid 19!

JZ - 12-18-2021 at 11:32 PM

That Southwest CEO just tested positive for Covid, so he obviously hasn't been conducting himself very intelligently.

Gonna get your moderator buddy to remove this post, like all my other posts that disappeared?

So based on your words, anyone who has gotten Covid is not "very intelligent."

That's rich. And tremendously insulting to the 5 million ppl who have died.

[Edited on 12-19-2021 by JZ]

Skipjack Joe - 12-19-2021 at 07:24 AM

So based on your words, anyone who has gotten Covid is not "very intelligent."

That's rich. And tremendously insulting to the 5 million ppl who have died.

and 1 in every 5 deaths was American. It is just shocking that we as the most affluent nation on earth couldn't do better.

John Harper - 12-19-2021 at 09:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

So based on your words, anyone who has gotten Covid is not "very intelligent."

That's rich. And tremendously insulting to the 5 million ppl who have died.

and 1 in every 5 deaths was American. It is just shocking that we as the most affluent nation on earth couldn't do better.

But, we're #1!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!! Freedumb!!!

John

JDCanuck - 12-19-2021 at 10:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

So based on your words, anyone who has gotten Covid is not "very intelligent."

That's rich. And tremendously insulting to the 5 million ppl who have died.

and 1 in every 5 deaths was American. It is just shocking that we as the most affluent nation on earth couldn't do better.

But, we're #1!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!! Freedumb!!!

John

After 2 years of living with this maybe it's time to look at the countries and states that are presently managing far better and try to understand what they are doing right. Sweden has had an amazingly low case fatality rate and continually shrinking for 6 months now, while the rest of Europe despite further lockdowns is surging in fatalities again. Some of the US states also have swung from very high case fatalities to much lower case fatalities, despite the latest surges in cases. What is it they are doing that others aren't? I think the answer lies in early therapeutic treatment among both fully vaccinated and non-vaccinated people that contract the virus.

JDCanuck - 12-19-2021 at 11:43 AM

In BC and BCS, the one thing I would definitely have in advance of you or your family contracting Covid is either Medical grade Oxygen or an Oxygen Concentrator. 3 of our family members with significant underlying risk factors have recovered from Covid and had an Oxygen Concentrator on hand to support them as they recovered. They tell me Medical Oxygen was very hard to come by, let alone any chemical treatments or hospital support.
Secondly, if the treatment pills presently awaiting approval from Pfizer become available, I would definitely grab some of them when they are available. Breakthroughs among fully vaccinated people are becoming more and more common.

Here is the quote from Pfizer's pill study just released on the 14th:

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Pfizer said Tuesday that its experimental pill to treat COVID-19 appears effective against the omicron variant.

The company also said full results of its 2,250-person study confirmed the pill's promising early results against the virus: The drug reduced combined hospitalizations and deaths by about 89% among high-risk adults when taken shortly after initial COVID-19 symptoms."

surabi - 12-19-2021 at 01:03 PM

That Southwest CEO just tested positive for Covid, so he obviously hasn't been conducting himself very intelligently.

So based on your words, anyone who has gotten Covid is not "very intelligent."

That's rich. And tremendously insulting to the 5 million ppl who have died.

[Edited on 12-19-2021 by JZ]

No, you drew faulty conclusions.

He has been defending not requiring masks. It's not the least bit insulting to the over 5 million who have died to call out the anti-maskers who then get Covid.

And a lot of those 5 million died needlessly because they refused to wear masks or get vaccinated. I have little sympathy for those.

[Edited on 12-19-2021 by surabi]

JZ - 12-19-2021 at 02:01 PM

JZ - 12-19-2021 at 02:05 PM

Nice spin. You sure as heck did throw major shade on a lot of ppl who have died. That's very tolerant of you.

BTW, he's not anti-mask, he just says the science says they aren't needed on planes.

JDCanuck - 12-19-2021 at 03:13 PM

It's been over a year since the last election produced a newly responsible gov't, and a whole lot has changed in the meantime. The most concerning change is indicated at the Cornell University outbreak. Past solutions are no longer working out very well, time to look for new solutions .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cornell-university-...

"Ninety-seven percent of the campus is fully vaccinated, a large portion of them have booster shots and there's mandatory masking, and we still have this uptick,"

John Harper - 12-19-2021 at 03:45 PM

"Nature always finds a way."

Jeff Goldblum's character, in Jurassic Park, as I recall.

John

mtgoat666 - 12-19-2021 at 03:48 PM

In today’s news:

“Full vaccination against COVID-19 and a breakthrough infection builds 'super immunity,' study finds”

I think it is feasible we will see a future covid variant that will have high spread rate and high mortality rate; most of the vaccinated will survive, and majority of un-vaccinated will die.

Diseases evolve, the strongest survive. I suspect it is foolish to be un-vaccinated in a world where disease evolves with the seasons…

Some people like to ignore covid, and shrug and say “what, me worry?” Reminds me of people that try meth as a recreational drug, thinking “oh, I won’t get addicted.” Famous last words.

[Edited on 12-19-2021 by mtgoat666]

John Harper - 12-19-2021 at 04:20 PM

I'm reminded of another movie, "The Thing" remake with Kurt Russell.

This virus may not stop until every human is infected.

John

JDCanuck - 12-19-2021 at 04:30 PM

John : I find myself mainly in agreement with those posts. This latest variant has the appearance of one that will rapidly spread globally, and have far milder outcomes and fewer fatalities. It may actually be our best shot at achieving herd immunity at lowered fatality rates and we will not have been the cause other than spreading out the number of variations until a milder more rapidly transmitting one was finally produced.

John Harper - 12-19-2021 at 04:33 PM

John : I find myself mainly in agreement with those posts. This latest variant has the appearance of one that will rapidly spread globally, and have far milder outcomes and fewer fatalities. It may actually be our best shot at achieving herd immunity at lowered fatality rates and we will not have been the cause other than spreading out the number of variations until a milder more rapidly transmitting one was finally produced.

Thanks, you seem quite thoughtful about this topic as well.

I saw our school district purchase air purifiers, disinfectant wipes, sprayers for desks, hand washing stations, etc. Now, none of that is utilized. Masks are our only safety protocol. Perhaps we abandoned something that actually was additionally effective? I don't have the answers, nor feel able to conjecture a solution. Maybe nothing is effective, IDK.

It's hard to reflect when the war is clearly still raging.

John

[Edited on 12-19-2021 by John Harper]

JDCanuck - 12-19-2021 at 05:19 PM

I'm watching South Africa for how they come through this. They had far fewer MRNa vaccines made available to them, since Omicron arrived there, their hospitalizations are declining, people show far milder symptoms, recover faster and random testing showed over 80% of the population carrying Covid antibodies. That used to be the level we were told would achieve herd immunity.
But it's still early days, and we will have to wait and see. For those that have stronger reactions to the virus, I hope our elected leaders are now loading up on the most effective therapeutic treatments that have so far been discovered.

Purdyd - 12-19-2021 at 05:52 PM

I doubt the ceo of southwest has reams of data that masks don’t work on airplanes.

https://www.kten.com/story/45470778/delta-ceo-masks-are-stil...

Quote:

Parker appeared at the hearing to agree with Kelly, saying, "I concur. An aircraft is the safest place you can be. It's true of all of our aircraft — they all have the same HEPA filters and air flow." But after the hearing American Airlines walked back Parker's remarks, saying that his concurrence with Kelly was on the point about the quality of the air in the aircraft cabin, not mask requirements.

It is a little premature to say how severe omicron will be.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/omicron-g...

Quote:

There was no evidence of omicron cases being less severe than delta, based on the proportion of people testing positive who had symptoms or went to the hospital, the team said.

It would not be surprising if omicron is less deadly, that is exactly what happened to the Spanish flu.

I think it’s a little early to be saying vaccines or prior immunity aren’t effective at preventing serious illness.

I wouldn’t celebrate the increase in Covid cases in New York too much, it will spread to other states even those with fewer vaccinated people.

I expect we will see omicron spread in baja soon. It is likely already there.

[Edited on 12-20-2021 by Purdyd]

100X - 12-20-2021 at 05:20 PM

This is the "Marketplace of Ideas" the US Supreme Court has discussed and protected since the Bill of Rights. This is Mexico, of course, but I believe we/they all want expression, reason and the free-flow of ideas here as well, so that all may be better informed and capable of making their own opinions.

So ideas, good or bad, are put to discussion. They stand up or do not. The strong ones are adopted by others, and so on it goes. When someone posts something that another believes is wrong--rebut!

Name calling and labels such as "misinformation" and "ignorance," without specific rebuttal, is worthless. It does not persuade anyone; actually it only serves to discount that person's opinion.

50 pages and some just continue to name-call and throw out generalisations rather than any substantive rebuttal....: :?:

John Harper - 12-20-2021 at 05:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 100X

This is the "Marketplace of Ideas" the US Supreme Court has discussed and protected since the Bill of Rights. :

Blatant, an demonstratively proven lies, as well as yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater are hardly the "marketplace of ideas."

Welcome to the Jungle!

John

100X - 12-20-2021 at 05:58 PM

"Fire" would be protected except where, such as in a crowded movie theatre, there is an overriding "substantial state interest" in protecting its citizens.

Lies, generally, are protected speech, and are especially so when they are in regard to political matters, which receive the highest level of First Amendment protection. The "marketplace," so the reasoning goes, is actually what discounts and protects us from those lies.

gnukid - 12-20-2021 at 06:06 PM

Lancent, NIH and CDC are sources even Nomads can consider while understanding the risk

gnukid - 12-20-2021 at 06:32 PM

Can anyone provide any support to show the vaccines are working?

Third phase series studies?

Animal studies?

Vaccines injuries in initial phase use?

Blind studies?

Why not? Becuase they do not exist? Why are these products in use with no demonstrable proof of efficacy?

JZ - 12-20-2021 at 06:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 100X

This is the "Marketplace of Ideas" the US Supreme Court has discussed and protected since the Bill of Rights. This is Mexico, of course, but I believe we/they all want expression, reason and the free-flow of ideas here as well, so that all may be better informed and capable of making their own opinions.

So ideas, good or bad, are put to discussion. They stand up or do not. The strong ones are adopted by others, and so on it goes. When someone posts something that another believes is wrong--rebut!

Name calling and labels such as "misinformation" and "ignorance," without specific rebuttal, is worthless. It does not persuade anyone; actually it only serves to discount that person's opinion.

50 pages and some just continue to name-call and throw out generalisations rather than any substantive rebuttal....: :?:

I like this new guy, a lot. Adds a bunch to the forum.

John Harper - 12-20-2021 at 06:46 PM

You gotta be kidding! Quite a few of us get our voices silenced regularly on this "privately owned" site. I have no problem with that, because it's "privately owned." But free exchange of ideas is not a right on BN. Nothing to pee and moan about, just the way it is.

I've never whined to a moderator. How about you?

Never sent a PM someone to whine. How about you?

John

[Edited on 12-21-2021 by John Harper]

gnukid - 12-20-2021 at 06:47 PM

Does anyone ask what is a virus?

How do humans intercommunicate information?

What is Messenger RNA? How do people communicate basic environmental information?

How or why do women become synchronized in procreation cycles?

What is intercommunication of messenger RNA?

Is it chemical, electro magnetic frequency, or do you believe that puss, bacteria and snot is the method of intercommunication?

John Harper - 12-20-2021 at 06:51 PM

Does anyone ask what is a virus?

How do humans intercommunicate information?

What is Messenger RNA? How do people communicate basic environmental information?

How or why do women become synchronized in procreation cycles?

What is intercommunication of messenger RNA?

Is it chemical, electro magnetic frequency, or do you believe that puss, bacteria and snot is the method of intercommunication?

Has anyone told you taking LSD for years might be an issue?

John

gnukid - 12-20-2021 at 06:52 PM

Ask and research what is bacteria, what is virus-the dead protein, why do we excrete so much cellular garbage?

Why is so much unknown?

Why is virus still a theory and not fact?

What is health?

gnukid - 12-20-2021 at 06:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Has anyone told you taking LSD for years might be an issue?

John

Personal attacks are used by people with no argument, I do not use drugs, I am a librarian sharing basic information with senior citizens who are being misled toward harmful use of genetic modification that is causing significant harm.

John Harper - 12-20-2021 at 06:56 PM

Ask and research what is bacteria, what is virus-the dead protein, why do we excrete so much cellular garbage?

Why is so much unknown?

Why is virus still a theory and not fact?

What is health?

What is the point of your post? You obviously won't find many deep thinkers on Baja Nomad. And those of us who are, really have seen far too much of your rambling discourse to give it any merit.

Buenos tardes, amigo!

Juan

[Edited on 12-21-2021 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 12-20-2021 at 07:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Has anyone told you taking LSD for years might be an issue?

John

Paul,
You are in your 50s, that makes you a senior citizen. Did one of your little kites drop you on your head? Did Fred and Janet drop you on your little head? Repeatedly?

Lee - 12-20-2021 at 09:11 PM

The fraud perpetrated here by a few to promote fear is significant harming children, seniors and all families, this is intentional murder of children and seniors and these people must be prosecuted for their crimes.

ONLY criminal on this forum is you Paul! NYPost is your source? Too much time goofing when you should be working at the library.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Sure was nice around here with you gone.

JZ - 12-20-2021 at 09:52 PM

Why are you guys responding to him?

surabi - 12-21-2021 at 12:27 AM

In today’s news:

“Full vaccination against COVID-19 and a breakthrough infection builds 'super immunity,' study finds”

[Edited on 12-19-2021 by mtgoat666]

Just heard from a friend that one of her closest friends just died on a ventilator of Covid. 40 year old woman, healthy, fully vaccinated, including booster, sought medical care as soon as she had symptoms. Left 2 children, who she never saw again after being hospitalized.
People need to stop thinking this is going away anytime soon, or that it's time to stop wearing your mask and go to concerts or attend events.

[Edited on 12-21-2021 by surabi]

[Edited on 12-21-2021 by surabi]

Purdyd - 12-21-2021 at 08:50 AM