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ramuma53 - 4-11-2012 at 09:19 AM

Trueheart

dont worry, he will have to denny the allegation to the criminal judge and that will be hard enough, because he was recognized by the child and her mother who where at her restaurant for 3 days.

watizname - 4-11-2012 at 09:25 AM

BOY OH BOY!!!!!! This thread got so uhhhh "out there" that I stopped reading it about a month and a half ago. I just stopped in to see what " condition the condition was in", and WOW. It just keeps on "keepin on". Does this ramuma53 have some kind of illness, like Terrets or something. He seems to just keep making stuff up. He says something, gets proven wrong or false, and then comes back with something more outlandish. Oh well, that's entertainment. I'll be back next month to see what else he comes up with. Maybe he'll ceceed from Mexico and start his own UFO landing area, and get Darth to put the dark force hex on the Berbs or accuse them of doing it to him-----Yeah that's it, they are in cahoots with aliens to ruin his image.:lol::lol::lol:

Cypress - 4-11-2012 at 09:25 AM

ramuma53, Your batting average in the accusation dept., is what, 0 for 3? Keep slinging mud on the wall and hope something will stick?:?:

David K - 4-11-2012 at 09:29 AM

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

ramuma53 - 4-11-2012 at 09:42 AM

watizname

Sorry but not in one ocasion I have been proved wrong

David K - 4-11-2012 at 09:49 AM

PROOF???

Where are the photos of drugs being off loaded (shouldn't be hard since you saw it happening so many times)?

Where are the photos of the Mexican navy anchored offshore (you told us was happening)?

Why do you not go to Baja California Sur anymore to work at 'your property' and take care of your employees? Is there a fear of being arrested for making so many false claims against a hard working couple who actually provide a service to tourists, and do the state some good?

rts551 - 4-11-2012 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by David K
PROOF???

Where are the photos of drugs being off loaded (shouldn't be hard since you saw it happening so many times)?

Where are the photos of the Mexican navy anchored offshore (you told us was happening)?

Why do you not go to Baja California Sur anymore to work at 'your property' and take care of your employees? Is there a fear of being arrested for making so many false claims against a hard working couple who actually provide a service to tourists, and do the state some good?


David. Your going too far. You have no proof of your claims either.

tripledigitken - 4-11-2012 at 11:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53
watizname

Sorry but not in one ocasion I have been proved wrong


:lol:

David K - 4-11-2012 at 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
PROOF???

Where are the photos of drugs being off loaded (shouldn't be hard since you saw it happening so many times)?

Where are the photos of the Mexican navy anchored offshore (you told us was happening)?

Why do you not go to Baja California Sur anymore to work at 'your property' and take care of your employees? Is there a fear of being arrested for making so many false claims against a hard working couple who actually provide a service to tourists, and do the state some good?


David. Your going too far. You have no proof of your claims either.


Seriously Ralph, even in this thread you can't let go? I am the one asking for proof, as it is Muñoz who started this war against Mark and Olivia. Have you ever met Mark or Olivia, spent any time there... How about Muñoz, what proof do YOU have that he is anywhere near being truthful about anything?

rts551 - 4-11-2012 at 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
PROOF???

Where are the photos of drugs being off loaded (shouldn't be hard since you saw it happening so many times)?

Where are the photos of the Mexican navy anchored offshore (you told us was happening)?

Why do you not go to Baja California Sur anymore to work at 'your property' and take care of your employees? Is there a fear of being arrested for making so many false claims against a hard working couple who actually provide a service to tourists, and do the state some good?


David. Your going too far. You have no proof of your claims either.


Seriously Ralph, even in this thread you can't let go? I am the one asking for proof, as it is Muñoz who started this war against Mark and Olivia. Have you ever met Mark or Olivia, spent any time there... How about Muñoz, what proof do YOU have that he is anywhere near being truthful about anything?


Yes I have met both of them. Food at Mark's and Munoz, well somewhere else. Unlike you, I am making no claims. Don't have a dog in this fight.

But seriously David, Your claims In your last paragraph go beyond asking for proof (although I wonder why) ? How do you know that Mark and Olivia do the State some god, and tourists don't seem to stop there much (can't blame them). How do you know that Munoz would be arrested.

Watching this might be entertaining, but taking sides with no proof of anything, anywhere could be dangerous.

XPBRes - 4-11-2012 at 12:44 PM

I have to agree rts551.

Does Munoz go too far, yes. Is there proof? 10 years Munoz has told me that next week Olivia would be gone. He has made these claims and then makes excuses that his country is corrupt and justice is slow.

We had 15 years of patronage to the beach, restaurant and bar. We loved going there and enjoyed the company.

This has nothing to do with integrity or morality. None of these people have shown these qualities and it is well documented.

Over the years there have seen many posts as to the treatment at PB, most good but not all. I was overcharged for drinks and food, and I know many others had complained. We made the choice to go back and WE made it enjoyable.

My 20 years of involvement let me say these people are no victims, and I wish none of them harm. At some point this will end and things will go back to being the same. Then you will be on your own to make good decisions, sometimes you won’t make them. In the end you will have to answer for your actions!

Vaya con Dios

[Edited on 4-11-2012 by XPBRes]

[Edited on 4-12-2012 by XPBRes]

David K - 4-11-2012 at 01:05 PM

I made no claims against Munoz, I just repeated what has been posted here for years now. He is not there, nor has been for some time, it seems.

The good that Mark & Olivia do for the state is being open for business, serving tourists, and not becoming a run-down blight on such a beautiful day as the motel has become.

I see no hate from Mark, but I see a ton from Munoz... Why this isn't clear to you is beyond me...

I can also feel comfortable with my opinion because of the posts by Pompano and photos taken there by him... He lives just up the highway. Why do you not see these as signs of good?

rts551 - 4-11-2012 at 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I made no claims against Munoz, I just repeated what has been posted here for years now. He is not there, nor has been for some time, it seems.

The good that Mark & Olivia do for the state is being open for business, serving tourists, and not becoming a run-down blight on such a beautiful day as the motel has become.

I see no hate from Mark, but I see a ton from Munoz... Why this isn't clear to you is beyond me...

I can also feel comfortable with my opinion because of the posts by Pompano and photos taken there by him... He lives just up the highway. Why do you not see these as signs of good?


Like I said "I have no dog in this fight" Guess you do.

and as people who have lived there have said "This has nothing to do with integrity or morality. None of these people have shown these qualities and it is well documented."

latina - 4-11-2012 at 01:41 PM

Ramuna, ramuna, ramuna.....the turtle story didn't work, the drug story didn't work, you couldn't scare them away with guns and intimidation, and now the assault story...You just keep digging to the bottom of the barrel for whatever you can find to try and get rid of Mark & Olivia. It's as simple as that and should be clear to anyone who had the stamina to read all of your posts from day 1... They have something you want and you don't intend to stop bullying and harassing them until you get it. I am quite sure you never dreamed they would have the staying power and determination to actually last this long...given that you have used these tactics in the past with success... Keep posting away...I wish I could just laugh off your rants as the ridiculous drivel they are, but you are playing a very offensive game with people's lives in order to misappropriate something you have no claim to.

XPBRes - 4-11-2012 at 02:14 PM

David K,

I think that Pompano is one of the best and greatest part of this board. If you notice he really doesn't offer an opinion.

I still don't understand what a beer and a hamburger have to do with a lease and 100's of thousands of US dollars spent and taken with no remorse. I have seen both sides in action and still don't see the difference.

That beach has some strange mojo, we use to think it's an Indian burial grounds, that might answer what has gone on there!

watizname - 4-11-2012 at 02:37 PM

Or Space Alien burial grounds.lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::cool:

[Edited on 4-11-2012 by watizname]

Trueheart - 4-11-2012 at 03:45 PM

PROOF???

Where are the photos of drugs being off loaded (shouldn't be hard since you saw it happening so many times)?

Where are the photos of the Mexican navy anchored offshore (you told us was happening)?




David K's questions, particularly "where are photos", are valid to me.

The thought that the acuser should have photos to back up acusations has crossed my mind more than once. With so much "certainty" suggested by Ramuna as to drug traffic, and so much energy expended on his part on this entire topic, a little proof would do wonders to back up the acusations and give him some credibility, at least on this issue.

Surely if drugs were going into and out of this locale, for so many times as is the contention, that a complaint could be backed up with a little proof.

Like I said "I have no dog in this fight" Guess you do.

durrelllrobert - 4-11-2012 at 04:11 PM

Dog fighting is illegal, even in MX:P

coconaco - 4-11-2012 at 08:54 PM

Hey, what hapened to Wooshes post?

baja1943 - 4-12-2012 at 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by coconaco
Hey, what hapened to Wooshes post?
He got banned.

Burbs - 4-12-2012 at 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by ramuma53
Nomads
As I promised, I have a new set of employees in my hotel working since last week.

The Judge has just dropped all charges on my people and will be free in a couple of days, as soon as he receives the last of authority information.

They will return to Buenaventura without charges and having being illegally detained for 45 days without a legal cause and because the Estate District attorney invented crimes on them, crimes that were not accepted by the criminal judge, who found them groundless and the procedure a human rights violation.


MARIO ALAN PEREZ RIVERA JUZGADO 1o. DE DISTRITO EXP. 283/2012

MARIA ELIZABETH ESPINOZA MONTAÑO JUZGADO 1o. DE DISTRITO EXP. 216/2012

ROBERTO MIRANDA GOMEZ JUZGADO 3ro. DE DISTRITO EXP. 220/2012

OSWALDO ARECHIGA PEREZ JUZGADO 1ro. DE DISTRITO EXP. 224/2012

EN TODOS LOS CASOS SE NEGO EL AMPARO.


EN TODOS LOS CASOS SE NEGO EL AMPARO.

El delito es grave y no alcanzan fianza a uno de ellos le están practicando estudios de personalidad para ver la peligrosidad del individuo, es el primero de la lista.....

[Edited on 4-12-2012 by Burbs]

[Edited on 4-12-2012 by Burbs]

David K - 4-12-2012 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by XPBRes
David K,

I think that Pompano is one of the best and greatest part of this board. If you notice he really doesn't offer an opinion.

I still don't understand what a beer and a hamburger have to do with a lease and 100's of thousands of US dollars spent and taken with no remorse. I have seen both sides in action and still don't see the difference.

That beach has some strange mojo, we use to think it's an Indian burial grounds, that might answer what has gone on there!


My opinions in this thread are only on the harassment of Muñoz on Mark and Olivia, with constant lies and threats... to force them off land he seeks to possess via Chicago style force.

Once the 'Black Hand' has been stopped, and life can return to something closer to normal... that would be the time to work out other issues... right? I mean, do you want to be there while Muñoz keeps hiring thugs with guns who have burned down a home, that could have been yours or another renter's?

XPBRes - 4-12-2012 at 12:56 PM

David K,
This is such a sore spot for a few of us that are still left. I don’t want to make you feel like I’m attacking you or the people who want to support Mark & Olivia. Please do, it is a great beach!

I guess where I have a problem is that you assume that Mike & Olivia 1st had the right to lease to some Americans. Then have his Italian friends invest in the property. Before Munoz, well over a MILLION USD had changed hands.

It has come to my attention that this is not Ejido (La Purisma) land, nor has Munoz filed the right paperwork to claim ownership. That makes me very disappointed that people continue to call this “His or There’s”.

In a way we were bullied, mislead and forced out. Mark says I’m whining. What I think is that if this was so easy to understand, why has it not been resolved?

Even people on this board are fighting over the outcome.
This is JUST WORDS to you. We lost our love and joy of Baja over this, not to mention a lot of money. I take most of the responsibility for our decisions but to be cheated and lied too is not OK!!

This did not start with Munoz!!!

So let’s go back to the beginning and who screwed who 1st. Munoz is a thug but he is the byproduct of a corrupt system that allows injustice to continue.

So for me it is an insult to see the word GOOD PEOPLE misused.

JUST MY OPINION!

Cypress - 4-12-2012 at 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by XPBRes

This is such a sore spot for a few of us that are still left.

This did not start with Munoz!!!So let’s go back to the beginning and who screwed who 1st. Munoz is a thug but he is the byproduct of a corrupt system that allows injustice to continue.


If I remember correctly you and other parties decided to stop paying lease money to Mike and Olivia. You paid Munoz instead. Munoz is not the legal owner. The lease payment was not paid. The contract was broken. Did I miss something?

XPBRes - 4-12-2012 at 01:47 PM

OK that is a short version if you want to go with it fine.

I guess you missed the part about they didn't have the right to lease to us to begin with. Then asked us to pay more for a lease they were breaking, because Mike left them high and dry.

What is with you people? Have you been cheated before, then you have people tell you what wonderful people those guys were who stole from you?????

What did we do to Mike & Olivia? Pay them for 10 years on a lease that they broke because the Ejido wanted more money from them. Then try to settle on a new lease agreement when Munoz showed up. We were current on all payments, until we made a decision 10 years ago to go another direction.

Now all of you have been talking and sharing since the TURTLE THREAD and you think you have the answers to who owns what. Now it appears to not even be Ejido land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as rightful owners I thought I mentioned that 20 years later they still haven't figured that out. It looks like right now there is a concession but NO ONE OWNS THE LAND. Is that any clearer.

[Edited on 4-12-2012 by XPBRes]

Cypress - 4-12-2012 at 02:02 PM

NO ONE OWNS THE LAND? Were taxes paid on it? Who paid the taxes? Who's been in possession of the land for the past several years? That might make things clearer.

XPBRes - 4-12-2012 at 02:10 PM

Cypress,
Do you really believe that in 10 years of dispute that if it was that easy it would not have been resoloved by now.

All I can say is most of you would not have made it 15 years in this mess!
I'm so glad to have experienced the best that San Buenventura had to offer!

You will never convince me that we were given a valid lease to begin with. That became very clear when Mike left and all this began. I don't believe it is over either!

[Edited on 4-12-2012 by XPBRes]

Pescador - 4-12-2012 at 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by XPBRes
OK that is a short version if you want to go with it fine.

I guess you missed the part about they didn't have the right to lease to us to begin with. Then asked us to pay more for a lease they were breaking, because Mike left them high and dry.

What is with you people? Have you been cheated before, then you have people tell you what wonderful people those guys were who stole from you?????

What did we do to Mike & Olivia? Pay them for 10 years on a lease that they broke because the Ejido wanted more money from them. Then try to settle on a new lease agreement when Munoz showed up. We were current on all payments, until we made a decision 10 years ago to go another direction.

Now all of you have been talking and sharing since the TURTLE THREAD and you think you have the answers to who owns what. Now it appears to not even be Ejido land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as rightful owners I thought I mentioned that 20 years later they still haven't figured that out. It looks like right now there is a concession but NO ONE OWNS THE LAND. Is that any clearer.

[Edited on 4-12-2012 by XPBRes]


I am still sorry you guys got wrapped up in all this and lost your dream.

This whole thing, as well as the turtle soup thread reminds me of a bunch of people sitting around watching the Super Bowl and everyone sitting on the chairs thinks that they would have, could have, and probably did a better job than the players on the field. It is impossible to understand all of the little quirks and side issues going on with this whole story. It is even more impossible to understand the complexities of Mexican Law that allows this to happen in the first place. Finally, it is really impossible to believe that none of the court and legal system of Mexico is able to successfully resolve this whole issue and make a determination on the facts.

XPBRes - 4-12-2012 at 02:29 PM

Thank you Pescador,
I really have moved on. I think it is very important to share a closer encounter point of view. That at times brings up a lot of those old feelings that you haven't felt for awhile.

This is a nightmare for Mark & Olivia and I applaud there courage to withstand the bully of insults. I also don't give them a complete pass on THIS IS OUR LAND.

XPBRes - 4-12-2012 at 02:32 PM

5 years ago that might have been worth a try, Gnukid. We don't have the resources anymore to rebuild or do we trust.

David K - 4-12-2012 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by XPBRes
...
I really have moved on...
This is a nightmare for Mark & Olivia and I applaud there courage to withstand the bully of insults...


This is very nice of you to say, considering you had issues with Olivia and her former partner Mike, years ago.

My 'Good People' application to Mark and Olivia is purely to do with the battle between them and Muñoz, and they way they treated us and others at the restaurant, nothing more.

I did not know about any property lease issues with other norteamericanos before I met them and talked with others in the area about them. Including one of the other norteamericanos who still goes there and had nothing bad to say... Do you know Jim Evans?

XPBRes - 4-12-2012 at 07:32 PM

Yes,
I have spent time at Jim & Sandy’s home and consider them and their family friends.They know all parties involved and have stayed in contact, it has been awhile since we've talked. The only difference for them they never invested, only visited like you. I totally understand the difference and don’t hold it against anyone.

I want the best for the beach. I have a lot of hard feelings towards this unfortunate situation. Posting is sometimes therapy and sometimes anger management. Either way this is helping to close a chapter of our lives.

[Edited on 4-13-2012 by XPBRes]

[Edited on 4-13-2012 by XPBRes]

David K - 4-13-2012 at 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by XPBRes
Yes,
I have spent time at Jim & Sandy’s home and consider them and their family friends.They know all parties involved and have stayed in contact, it has been awhile since we've talked. The only difference for them they never invested, only visited like you. I totally understand the difference and don’t hold it against anyone.

I want the best for the beach. I have a lot of hard feelings towards this unfortunate situation. Posting is sometimes therapy and sometimes anger management. Either way this is helping to close a chapter of our lives.



So true... nice to say, and I understand...

Jim lives near me, but we have never met here, just down there (at Bob and Susan's Lighthouse Resort, Playa Frambes).

Let's hope it all turns out well, and you will again enjoy times on that beach!

Lobsterman - 4-13-2012 at 06:00 AM

Cypress,

Someone does own the land. It belongs to Mexico's National Government. It's still national land because nobody ever bought it legally from them. So for about a $1M you can buy it legally and get a national land title.

If you guys would read Fulano's website you would know the real truths about mexico, just not the muddled opinions of a bunch of biased, head-in-the-sand liberals. He researched that months ago and found out the REAL truth on this typical example of owning mexican real estate.

You will never catch me buying any of mexican properties and I'm sure there are many NOB people like me that feel the same way. Real estate values today point to that fact. Renting yes, buying NO. I'm waiting for this to blow over cuz Buenaventure is a prefect location for me to stage my baja fishing adventures, ie. quiet, out of weather, launch ramp, close to hiway and towns, etc. I've been away too long and am yearning to return.

I do not care if the hotel is a dump. All I need is a man cave with ac, a place for my BBQ smoker, place to store by boat in front of me and someone to tell my fishing tales to.
Bugman

[Edited on 4-13-2012 by Lobsterman]

Cypress - 4-13-2012 at 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
Cypress,

Someone does own the land. It belongs to Mexico's National Government. It's still national land because nobody ever bought it legally from them. So for about a $1M you can buy it legally and get a national land title.
You will never catch me buying any of mexican properties and I'm sure there are many NOB people like me that feel the same way. Real estate values today point to that fact. Renting yes, buying NO.

[Edited on 4-13-2012 by Lobsterman] [/quote

;D

ramuma53 - 4-13-2012 at 09:11 AM

David K***
Unless you accept that being sexually atacked is a service you want, you can not say they are a hard working couple, more likely a very hard working criminal couple, making better their criminal actions against society.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by BajaNomad]

David K - 4-13-2012 at 09:17 AM

Your proof or evidence Mr. Muñoz?

ramuma53 - 4-13-2012 at 09:19 AM

Burbs, alias Nark or Mark Jerome Burbey now a presumed sexual predator

You are lying

First of all, the Federal Justice protection was not denied, it was granted to my employees. It was granted for the effect that the judge accept the not guilty legal proof and as a consequence the judge on those cases dropped the charges for aggravated robbery as groundless, criminal association as groundless and only the illegal property occupation remain until I prove my property right, something you know I can do easily.

ramuma53 - 4-13-2012 at 09:22 AM

gnukid

You can manipulate the newspaper news, but you can not change legal facts.

What the police did, was to take my property, executing an agrarian court rulling against some other person against some other property.

The Agrarian Court dennied having any case open against me and he recognized my property right and he can not legally act on my property.

What Olivia and Nark did, was to take the execution Olivia had against other property and try to execut it in my property.

Hook - 4-13-2012 at 09:24 AM

It might be difficult to find a WORSE location in the Mulege area for your dream, Bugman. Maybe 20 plus miles of boating EACH way before you even get to decent pinto bass areas, much less YT or dorado fishing.

Your research on fishing needs to match your research on real estate.

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 09:25 AM

Lobsterman,
as much as I think PB is a great beach, wind is a factor and a north wind is straight on the beach. Also great spot for fishing inside the bahia but along way to get outside to the sea.

ramuma53 - 4-13-2012 at 09:37 AM

XPBRes
Obviously you are one of the American who rented a lot to Olivia alias La Vaquera and let me tell you this:
On your lease contract, Olivia clearly say she was renting to Ejido La Purisima and par of that los was rented to you and on Olivia rent contract, it is clearly said that the property rented on Km. 94.5 while Hotel San Buenaventura is on K, 93.8 and that is clearly 700 mts. south of the land Olivia rented to the Ejido. Why would you build on other people property when your location is clear???
As I remember, when I returned to Buenaventura after buying back the hotel from Roberto Meloni, you were being evicted by Olivia and not me; you were allowed to live in one of my houses and then after paying to me several months, you left without a word and without paying your last month’s rent to me.

My friend, I was not your enemy, Olivia and Nark were and as I remember, you left because the Federal Police asked you to use the house you were renting from me as a base to record the drug unloading on Oliva and nark el Sargazo Restaurant.

I do not deny that Oliva and Michael George and latter Nark (Burby sexual predator here) defrauded you, but you allowed them to do it based on a rent contract with the Ejido La Purisima clearly 700 mts. North of my property.

My only mistake with you was to allow you to live in my property and not doing what Olivia and Nark were already doing and that clearly show the difference between me and them.

Also, concerning my property, just look at this:

Cypress - 4-13-2012 at 09:38 AM

Lobsterman,
That's a long haul for triggerfish and pinto bass.:)

ramuma53 - 4-13-2012 at 09:40 AM

XPBRes
Obviously you are one of the Americans who rented a lot to Olivia alias La Vaquera and let me tell you this:

On your lease contract, Olivia clearly say she was renting to Ejido La Purisima and part of that lot was rented to you and on Olivia rent contract, it is clearly said that the property rented is on Km. 94.5 while Hotel San Buenaventura is on Km 93.8 and that is clearly 700 mts. south of the land Olivia rented to the Ejido. Why would you build on other people property when your location is clear???:?:

As I remember, when I returned to Buenaventura after buying back the hotel from Roberto Meloni, you were being evicted by Olivia and not me; you were allowed to live in one of my houses and then after paying to me several months rent, you left without a word and without paying your last month’s rent to me.:mad:

My friend, I was not your enemy, Olivia and Nark were and as I remember, you left because the Federal Police asked you to use the house you were renting from me as a base to record the drug unloading on Oliva and nark el Sargazo Restaurant.

I do not deny that Oliva and Michael George and latter Nark (Burby sexual predator here) defrauded you, but you allowed them to do it based on a rent contract with the Ejido La Purisima clearly 700 mts. North of my property.

My only mistake with you, was to allow you to live in my property and not doing what Olivia and Nark were already doing and that clearly show you the difference between me and them.:saint:

Concerning my property, you know my property right, that is why you were renting from me, just check this because you have a copy and you already checked it on the Public Registry:




[Edited on 4-13-2012 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 4-13-2012 at 09:52 AM

Cypress
That one was a very intelligent question and one easy for me


[Edited on 4-13-2012 by ramuma53]

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 10:32 AM

Thank you so much for taking our money for more than 2 years and asking us to pay back rent. Then you ASKED US to use YOUR property for a sting operation, FRIEND.

All this has worked out so well for you. The PARADISE you promised us and the jail time for Olivia is just another week away???????????????

You did CON us and ruined our chance at enjoying our golden years in the Baja we use to love, THANK YOU FRIEND.

You have a way of being such a good friend when it serves your purpose. That was a Beach of Good Venture until you showed up!
Hope you can live with all the good you have done and the lives you have effected.

Yes I do feel that Mike & Olivia also mislead us. At least they gave us more than 10 years of enjoyment. You have only brought a darkness and the beach reflects that now!

I know you will continue with this fight but I don’t have a part in it anymore and the rest of the homeowners/renters are gone also. Another thing you can be so proud of.

GOODBYE FRIEND

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 10:50 AM

Ok Cypress, you got your answer.
It now should be so easy for you to make a choice, cause you now have all the facts.

David K - 4-13-2012 at 11:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes
Thank you so much for taking our money for more than 2 years and asking us to pay back rent. Then you ASKED US to use YOUR property for a sting operation, FRIEND.

All this has worked out so well for you. The PARADISE you promised us and the jail time for Olivia is just another week away???????????????

You did CON us and ruined our chance at enjoying our golden years in the Baja we use to love, THANK YOU FRIEND.

You have a way of being such a good friend when it serves your purpose. That was a Beach of Good Venture until you showed up!
Hope you can live with all the good you have done and the lives you have effected.

Yes I do feel that Mike & Olivia also mislead us. At least they gave us more than 10 years of enjoyment. You have only brought a darkness and the beach reflects that now!

I know you will continue with this fight but I don’t have a part in it anymore and the rest of the homeowners/renters are gone also. Another thing you can be so proud of.

GOODBYE FRIEND



:light::yes::lol::cool:

rts551 - 4-13-2012 at 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes
Thank you so much for taking our money for more than 2 years and asking us to pay back rent. Then you ASKED US to use YOUR property for a sting operation, FRIEND.

All this has worked out so well for you. The PARADISE you promised us and the jail time for Olivia is just another week away???????????????

You did CON us and ruined our chance at enjoying our golden years in the Baja we use to love, THANK YOU FRIEND.

You have a way of being such a good friend when it serves your purpose. That was a Beach of Good Venture until you showed up!
Hope you can live with all the good you have done and the lives you have effected.

Yes I do feel that Mike & Olivia also mislead us. At least they gave us more than 10 years of enjoyment. You have only brought a darkness and the beach reflects that now!

I know you will continue with this fight but I don’t have a part in it anymore and the rest of the homeowners/renters are gone also. Another thing you can be so proud of.

GOODBYE FRIEND



:light::yes::lol::cool:


:no::?::no:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cypress - 4-13-2012 at 01:19 PM

ramuma53
You don't need to convince me. You need to convince the "Judge", whoever that might be.:D

BajaRun - 4-13-2012 at 01:39 PM

I've read this entire thread, post by post...I couldn't care less who owns the property at Playa Buenaventura..I care about innocent Americans getting screwed over. Period. I have stayed at the hotel and enjoyed cold beers at the bar. But the fact is that the Americans that put down the cash to build or buy a house there got the shaft and all party's that had anything to do with them losing their dream are scum in my book...:mad:

Cypress - 4-13-2012 at 01:43 PM

BajaRun, Welcome aboard!

BajaRun - 4-13-2012 at 01:45 PM

Thanks Cypress, I appreciate the welcome..:spingrin:

David K - 4-13-2012 at 01:50 PM

Welcome from me too... What do youn run in Baja?

Hook - 4-13-2012 at 01:54 PM

Yeah, there are no heroes here............only degrees of victims.

In many other countries, "official" documents might mean something.

In Mexico.............ummmmm, not so much.

This is the document that trumps all in Mexico. From Federal judges on down to the lowest municipal employee.




Isn't it absolutely STUNNING that this ownership battle could have gone on as long as it has, with conflicting "proofs of ownership" or "proof of rights" piled one on top of the other!!!

BajaRun - 4-13-2012 at 02:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Welcome from me too... What do youn run in Baja?


Thank you DK..Sometimes a Prerunner Bronco, Sometimes a Prerunner Buggy and Sometimes a Polaris RZRs. Just depends on the trip intenary :cool:

mtgoat666 - 4-13-2012 at 02:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Yeah, there are no heroes here............only degrees of victims.


...and a villain or two, too...

also a few neutral and biased observers :lol:

DianaT - 4-13-2012 at 02:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Yeah, there are no heroes here............only degrees of victims.


...and a villain or two, too...

also a few neutral and biased observers :lol:


Neutral? Those you can count on one hand. :biggrin:

mtgoat666 - 4-13-2012 at 02:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Take time to read, use your critical thinking and make up your mid without emotion.


thank you, newkid. we are all so emotional that none of us could have done that without your advice. perhaps you can head over to PB and lead the protagonists in some soothing yoga, eh?

rts551 - 4-13-2012 at 03:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaRun
I've read this entire thread, post by post...I couldn't care less who owns the property at Playa Buenaventura..I care about innocent Americans getting screwed over. Period. I have stayed at the hotel and enjoyed cold beers at the bar. But the fact is that the Americans that put down the cash to build or buy a house there got the shaft and all party's that had anything to do with them losing their dream are scum in my book...:mad:


YES. Intelligence on this board. Finally

surfer jim - 4-13-2012 at 04:18 PM

SO...how many people are going to access the TWELVE links provided, translate them, read all the details and determine what is the truth?

If you do....just post here the answer....who is the "owner"?

[Edited on 4-13-2012 by surfer jim]

[Edited on 4-13-2012 by surfer jim]

willardguy - 4-13-2012 at 04:25 PM

but then you'll miss the critical thinking without emotion part!:o

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 04:32 PM

Gnukid,
I have looked over your most current links. They come from the same source. I think I even know the writer. If I speculate and tell you he once worked for Mike & Olivia. I helped him escape their employment by driving him into town while they were gone.

I too can tell a story from a point of view that is true to me.

This is a municipal action that has taken place, there are still state and federal actions that can influence the conclusion.

A local paper is going to be influenced by local people and so will the action of the local government.

I have seen documents posted here that say Olivia must return my property and yet they evicted Munoz and insert Olivia. She has documents that tell her that she can take possession of those rentals. That was from an Agrarian court, only valid if its Ejido land. There is information coming out that this is not Ejido land.

Munoz of course will claim all is just as he said, MINE, MINE it’s ALL MINE.

Kid, I totally AGREE with so much of what you just wrote.

I have to say that I don't think a local paper, with some pictures attached is going to be the final word.

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 05:05 PM

Yes I understand we had a lease and we walked away knowing just that.
I still don't understand how you can be so sure.

Even in your last post you don't sound that clear about what you know.

You clearly believe one side of the story, and that doesn't sound at all like the person that just posted a conspiracy theory document.

You have seen Mark tell me I can come back, so I must have some integrity to my participation.

You even told me in a post that I should look into my rights.
I’m not here to fight, if this is over GREAT!!!

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 05:09 PM

There is one thing I know for sure Olivia owns nothing. She is the LEASER we sub leased through her. If this is not Ejido land that was fraud.

gnukid - 4-13-2012 at 05:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes
Yes I understand we had a lease and we walked away knowing just that.
I still don't understand how you can be so sure.

Even in your last post you don't sound that clear about what you know.

You clearly believe one side of the story, and that doesn't sound at all like the person that just posted a conspiracy theory document.

You have seen Mark tell me I can come back, so I must have some integrity to my participation.

You even told me in a post that I should look into my rights.
I’m not here to fight, if this is over GREAT!!!


Read the court decisions. It can't be that hard to use a translator to read, it takes moments, if you have even the slightest interest in the outcome, it's right there for you.

I'm getting the distinct feeling that you have a biased outcome and it has very little to do with acknowledging that things are going right for you, and in an open and transparent manner and simply reconfirming the prior decisions.

There may be many associated investigations continuing or denuncias, those are are associated with fraud, defamation and other criminal activity.

gnukid - 4-13-2012 at 05:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes
There is one thing I know for sure Olivia owns nothing. She is the LEASER we sub leased through her. If this is not Ejido land that was fraud.


Alright, when the court says the property is her's, interpret however required. Interesting that you protest and are here posting yet disinterested in the outcome, and so much so, yet apparently you used to understand the arrangement. If you are the person you say you are, you have an incredible opportunity here, you could also pursue Munoz for fraud, if you don't want it, walk away, how nice you have every option at your feet. You are a very lucky person, Congratulations and good luck.

gnukid - 4-13-2012 at 05:23 PM

What number is your house?

rts551 - 4-13-2012 at 05:28 PM

I am glad to see we now have another "Nomad Judge" to add to the collecton. Experts in everything, responsible for nothing.

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 05:33 PM

So what your saying is that I watched, supported and helped a beach build up from the sand (no Mark). To then be bullied by all parties to pay them for there failings and then take it on the chin.

Do you understand that I would have to start all over in a place that is still in turmoil. Invest in a lease that I already had that they broke. Yes I stopped paying because there is no integrity in any of the parties. I was not alone in making that decision, all renters are now gone, most left right away. Do you think if we had trusted Olivia that would have been the case.

Yes you are right they have all the judgements going there way and they are being so gracious in welcoming us back. I should be so thankful for this.

Tell you what maybe you can sublease from me. I'll send pictures I have great references, people in area very understanding.

#4 Paseo Cardon

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by XPBRes]

gnukid - 4-13-2012 at 05:36 PM

XPBres, you are not a party to this case. You have no reasonable complaint.

The courts results are posted reaffirming the decisions of the past, the squatters are evicted and in jail. Olivia owns three properties, one is #4 according to the documents and articles.




[Edited on 4-14-2012 by gnukid]

rts551 - 4-13-2012 at 05:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
The courts results are posted reaffirming the decisions of the past, the squatters are evicted.

Any objection you have with me is irrelevant, personal attacks as opposed to factual and sourced based argument about the subject at hand is fallacious logic., it's not a valid argument in this case.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by gnukid]


You post with no responsibility in another words? Only doing your duty to regurgitate and translate?

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 05:55 PM

Here is a post from another site that also has offical status. We have long been gone by the time this became known. There is Offically a doubt as to this being Ejido land and that was Munoz hook. So yes Olivia might be winning but that does not make her the owner or leaser. This might make her a criminal, but this will not be decided on this board.

records of the Secretaria de la Reforma Agraria and found an official letter, dated September 10, 2009, that says Rafael Munoz's title to Playa Buenaventura is false, and orders the public records to reflect that his title is null and void. The official reason stated is that Rafael never completed the procedures necessary to finalize the issuance of a proper title. Furthermore, the government cannot find any evidence that he even paid for it. The letter also acknowledges that there is a federal investigation of Muñoz by the Mexican attorney general's office for the crimes of forgery and using false documents.

http://www.sra.gob.mx/sraweb/datastore/t...978_09.pdf

"En tal razon, y al considerarse que la enajenacion del predio que nos ocupa no ha sido consumada en todos sus terminos toda vez que el titulo de propiedad que obra en al expediente adminstrativo numero 142524 ha sido desconocido resulta infundado...."

For this reason, and in consideration that the alienation of the property under consideration has not been completely consummated in all respects, the title to the property under consideration in administrative file number 142524 is unrecognized and unfounded..."

The letter does not say the land belongs to ejido La Purisima. It seems to indicate it is still national land, as there is mention that Muñoz made an inquiry long ago of how much it would cost to buy the land out of its National land status.

By the way, the letter also says there is another property with the same number, 432949, that was issued to Bertha Lopez Castillo August 31, 1993 for a property called "Beristain M-D L-14" located in Ahuazotepec, Puebla. Then they did some more digging at the Secretaria de la Reforma Agraria and found another page with the same number, 432949, but the page was blank. So, reading between the lines, whatever happened, it was done with the help of inside people at the Secretaria de la Reforma Agraria. They probably did not suspect that anyone would notice two properties with the same number.

That's quite a find. Now, in the U.S. I would know pretty much exactly what to expect. In Mexico? I have no clue. I am going to assume that everyone involved (Rafael, Mark and Olivia) are aware of this status. Yet, the situation has continued for three years after the date of the letter and the finding. Courts have been involved, lawyers, DAs, governors, the whole shooting match. The only conclusion I can draw is that there's more to the story than this finding, and that it is not the final word.

gnukid - 4-13-2012 at 06:06 PM

Here's the link to the 2009 SRA decision.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by gnukid]

willardguy - 4-13-2012 at 06:07 PM

well in early february marks advice was DO NOT COME TO MEXICO. what does mark say now?

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 06:07 PM

The link didn't transfer but I know you all will believe this because it's now in print.

I did some more investigation and found this slide show presentation on Ejido La Purisima.

On page 2 of 28 of the slide, it shows the LAT-LON of the ejido, with the northernmost point being 26° 39' 00". The description in Muños' National Title also says the boundary is 26° 39' 00". Since there is no overlap, it would appear the ejido is in agreement that Playa Buenaventura is not within the boundaries of the ejido.

Furthermore, the letter found from the Agrarian Ministry says that the land described in Muñoz' now ineffective title is National Land. In the entire 10-page letter, not once does it mention the land is a part of Ejido La Purisima.

The only conclusion I can come to is that Playa Buenaventura is not a part of Ejido La Purisima.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by XPBRes]

XPBRes - 4-13-2012 at 06:50 PM

Gnukid, I have a story to tell.

I decided to put up a street sign back in the 90's at the corner of the property. We got creative found one of the downed telegraph cables that went through our property (to be determined). We took the post with the old green glass on top and added the names of the streets. We burned the names into the wood and used some wire to hang them.
Olivia comes by at one point and asked what we are doing. We explained and she was totally unaware that we had street names or house numbers.

We knew this because we had plans paid for and documented in Mulege.

You got the part about not knowing anything, right. Again Mark wasn't there either.

These are people’s lives and fortunes that have been manipulated not a bunch of judgments, names and numbers.

I want to dialog about the facts not a newspaper article I want to share our experiences good and bad.

I think my 20 years of involvement trumps your internet search and paste.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by XPBRes]

Lobsterman - 4-14-2012 at 07:05 AM

Out of curiousity what would be the yearly lease on XPBRes's house?

XPBRes if you are not coming back maybe someone else might pay one or even both claiming landlords for the use of this idealic piece of property on the water.
Bugman

XPBRes - 4-14-2012 at 10:29 AM

Bugman,
We were paying $200 a month for rent at the end (2007?). The new lease wanted $10,000 up front and I think it was double that for rent and ejido payoff. Olivia needed to pay the ejido for all the improvements to the beach after Mike left. So the new lease 10 years later who knows. They would probably be happy for any income.

For me the problem is we don't know the status of the house.
I've been told it is a mess. The pila was destroyed and the solar ripped off. We were hooked up to hotel for power when their generator ran. Plumbing hasn't been used in 5 years or more.

I would love for someone to use the house, let me know.

[Edited on 4-14-2012 by XPBRes]

Lobsterman - 4-14-2012 at 02:56 PM

XPBRes,

My twenty five years of going to baja to fish was always sleeping/camping out on the beach well into my 50s during all 4 seasons. I saw your place in an earlier post you had. As long as I'm out of the weather, have space for my smoker/BBQ and a close by launch ramp for my boat I'm in heaven. Do not even need a door or windows with glass.

Here's a post from my last time at BOC back in 2006. As you can see it does not take this old fart too many creature comforts to be happy in BOC. I'm the good looking guy. We went down to your place during that trip and I said then that when I retire and if I ever come back this is where I'm going to stage my fishing adventures from cuz it's so close to everywhere. Been retired a year now and not getting any younger so am rethinking never coming back to baja.

I'd bring a 17' aluminum Baja Bayrunner with 4s motor. I'd look to lease for a year at a reasonable rate and be there probably 4 months a year. If I'm not there I would not care if someone used the space. I'd take my toys and stuff home with me when I'm not there. Being retired now I have more time on my hands to stay indefinately instead of only 2 weeks at a time. I've got a bunch of solar panels and other needed materials from my days of doing field electronic installation work. Too bad you got ripped off.

What about plumbing there (taking a chit)?
Bugman

http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/baja-mexico-fishing-reports...

[Edited on 4-15-2012 by Lobsterman]

ramuma53 - 4-16-2012 at 02:32 PM

Cypress
You asked for it, so you have it, but it is clear that as an advocate, you can not be convinced by any reason.

I can not convince a judeg, because there are no legal cause against me or my property, so no judge is hearing anything; the recent acts were executed absolutely without any judge order or cause open, it was only violence executed by La Vaquera and Nark criminals being helped illegally by the Estate Police.

For your information, the Sub District attorney who helped Olivia is now being named as Chief of the Estate police for his merits in action.

The only problem is that some other people have filled criminal charges against the Sub District attorney because his Estate police just stole from them

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2506571.htm

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2501673.htm

That is the way the Estate help people who obey without regard for the Constitution or laws

ramuma53 - 4-16-2012 at 02:57 PM

XPBRes
Nice that you are looking, if you keep looking, you will find the true facts.
If you see the Beristain Awasotepec Puebla title, you will notice several facts.
I.- It was issued after my title was issued in an administrative mistake. By law, the first title is the best and the one upheld.
II.- It was issued for an area of 10 (ten) square meters or 100 square foot, a ridiculous area for a National land title. That mean that somebody just created it to try to simulate that my title had problems, but all those facts were investigated by the Federal Police who declared my title original and valid against the other title. I already showed here the Federal Police order to the Public Registry to clear my title.
III.- Since Awasotepec Puebla is just 2 hours from Mexico, I sent my attorneys to look for the land lot and the owner of that title, but as we expected, we found none; it people does not exist and that is extremely small town where everybody know everybody and nobody knew about that person or her land. The land lot as expected is not existent.
IV.- The SRA sent a copy of my National Land file where they found a copy of my title and sent it to the Federal Police and the Federal Judge who immediately dropped the charges against me for official document falsification and use; they then offered 10 days to Olivia or provide any but any legal proof she may have to prove her accusation; she failed to provide or even to contest the legal proof and the charges were dropped and an order issued to the Public Registry to clear my title.

THIS CLEARLY SHOW THAT I AM THE LEGAL OWNER AND THAT OLIVIA IS JUST MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS WHILE SHE OWNS NOTHING.
The publications you show, have been used without showing the end of the investigation, you just show that an accusation was made, but I show that the accusation was false and y title cleared by the Federal Police.




This clearly show to any intelligent people, that I am the victim of false acusations made by Olivia who is trying by any legal or illegal way to apropiate what clearly is not hers, in other words, she have been trying to steal my property for years.

[Edited on 4-16-2012 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 4-16-2012 at 03:21 PM

gnukid

While clearly you are an advocate, you just showed one of my best defenses.

Clearly that ruling show the several tries some people or better said Olivias advocates have done to try to discredit my title and what they had accomplished.
They were able to hide my title for 20 years.
They were able using the fact that my title was put in protected custody in other words secret, to officially deny it existed.

The I made a complain to the liberty of information secretary and obtained that ruling that modified my file status as secret for 20 years, ordering the SRA to provide certified copy of my title at once, clearing the fact that it exist and my title is legal.
Thank you for making this point clear in my favor Gnukid

Another proff that Olivia is clearly trying to staeal my land and make my title secret.

ramuma53 - 4-16-2012 at 03:27 PM

XPBRes
You are completely right about Buenaventura not being part of Ejido La Purisima and that mean that, since Olivia is part of that Ejido (by a lease contract with the ejido) Buenaventura does not belong to Olivia and that what we just witnessed on my employees being jailed, is a false flag operation made by the Estate Police helping Olivia appropriate what clearly does not belong to her or the Ejido La Purisima.
Now we are arriving to something thanks to people who really are using reason.:bounce:



The next document is the official document where the Ejido La Purisima participate in the surveyor works on my title, long before it was issued and this demostrate that the Ejido agree with my boundaries and land limits, proving veyond any doubt that I am not overlapped with that ejido or anyone and in a legal consequence, Olivia is wrong.

that my people was wrongly jailed and Olivia was caught stealing inside my property.



[Edited on 4-16-2012 by ramuma53]

clarification requested

mtgoat666 - 4-16-2012 at 03:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53
Cypress
You asked for it, so you have it, but it is clear that as an advocate, you can not be convinced by any reason.

I can not convince a judeg, because there are no legal cause against me or my property, so no judge is hearing anything; the recent acts were executed absolutely without any judge order or cause open, it was only violence executed by La Vaquera and Nark criminals being helped illegally by the Estate Police.

For your information, the Sub District attorney who helped Olivia is now being named as Chief of the Estate police for his merits in action.

The only problem is that some other people have filled criminal charges against the Sub District attorney because his Estate police just stole from them

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2506571.htm

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2501673.htm

That is the way the Estate help people who obey without regard for the Constitution or laws


ramsanus:
i read thru a few of your posts, but they did not make a lot of sense,... appears you are telling us you lost????

i don't understand, for months you were telling us you were winning, in the right -- you were telling us you had tiger blood.

but, seems you just admitted defeat,.. or am i misreading your posts???

norte - 4-16-2012 at 04:01 PM

Hey pinhead. Bad joke for a bad situation...

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Whoopeee Everything's settled, BIG BEACH PARTY TONIGHT at the Hotel Plya BuenaVentura with celebrity Real Estate Meet and Greet Open Mic Q&A with the Hotel Owner- SEe who shows up to see who owns the hotel, buy a raffle ticket to benefit Hotel Clean-Up. Tons of FOOD

Everyone meet at the beach tonight and let's celebrate! Wooooo! RSVP Pick a Dish to Bring for PotLuck and Sailing

XPBRes - 4-16-2012 at 09:50 PM

Kid,

Did I tell you the one about some people who lost their dreams and someone said looks like drama and nothing really happening here.

Why don't you post some of your real life experiences and we can all laugh at your drama.

goldhuntress - 4-17-2012 at 12:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
This is like those soap operas where's there's tons of drama and nothing ever happens whamp whaaaa

It's real. It certainly isn't a joke. I find the whole thing sad and depressing. Dreams shattered, lives turned upside down. I can't imagine living my dream and having it all come crashing down like that. It's a beautiful spot. What a loss. It must have been a nightmare for the homeowners to go through I'm sure it took it's toll in more ways than any of us know. Yeah, plenty has happened.

ramuma53 - 4-17-2012 at 07:04 AM

I have never said I lost, in fact I have my people in the hotel working, the only thing they managed with all that law breaking, favoring La Vaquera and Nark, was to put in jail some workers who commited no crime.

At this time we are evaluating the damages caused by Olivia who at this time we know stole most of the hotel furniture, practically destroyed the hotel electric system and stole most of the beds.
We are just getting together the receipts for all those properties to start the new criminal case against Olivia and Nark and we hope we are ahead of the sexual asault charges to collect from them.

We through the participation of one of the past leasors, just confirmed that a Federal Police sting operation happened a few years ago against La Vaquera and Nark.

Yes, we asked for Mr. Clinite permission for the Federal Police to use that house for the sting operation against the drug runners who were operating on Olivia’s restaurant El Sargazo and we know that most people would have cooperated with the police, but Mr. Clinite, instead of helping the police, just went away without a word and that was very strange for the Federal Police.
We know that some of the Americans who lived at Buenaventura for years, and who were there when Michael George and Olivia were operating the restaurant as a place to provide sexual favors and sell drugs, knew perfectly well and even financed the operation; we don’t know for sure who was the one or two who were partners with Olivia, but we know that Mr. Stan Valentine gave Olivia more than $250,000 US Dollars and he bought most of the Restaurant furniture and that can not be justified by the rent of a house.

We and the Federal Police thought that one of the 3 Americans was helping Olivia signal the drug boats to arrive at Buenaventura, but we were unable to know who the one was, but we had some facts that signaled who:

Mr. Clinite did not want to help the Federal Police and as soon as he knew about the sting operation executed by the Federal Police and Navy intelligence, he just went away; he may have had cold feet and that is understandable.

We caught Mr. Thad Braxton at 4 Am on the highway, supposedly running alone in the dark during one of the boats unloading and we latter found a signal lamp at the place we found him, he had helped us and the police in other occasions, even providing Olivia and Nark photos so we considered him trustworthy until that night.
But when I told him that the Federal Police was looking for Olivia’s American partner in the drug deals, he just went away without a word, not even calling me ever; even when he was calling himself my friend and acted accordingly.

We know that Olivia has American partners who cooperate in the drug deals, but we were never able to know who the one was before they just ran away without looking back. Sorry for the ones who were not in that business, but, when you are innocent, you do not run away when you are told the police is investigating.
In consequence, we can assume, that during those years when they were at Buenaventura, they perfectly knew about Olivia and Michael George and latter Nark’s illicit activities, some even participated on the fun or the benefits, but certainly knew and did nothing.

Just remember that when they tried to kill Mr. James Russell Hicks in 2006, some of them were at the Restaurant and even helped Olivia and employees to carry him to the sea thinking he was dead and were latter signaled as part of the intent to kill him. That criminal case was prosecuted and resulted in a jail sentence for one of Olivia’s employees who said he was the only one who tried to kill Mr. Russell, trying to protect Olivia in exchange for Olivia protecting him; something that Olivia has accomplished because he never started to serve the jail sentence because no police can find him, but he continue to work for Olivia and walk every day in Mulege.

ramuma53 - 4-17-2012 at 07:22 AM

Some of you say this is a no ending story and you are right, we are not whithnessing a soap opera where you have a final after several chapters.
We are looking at history in the making, we are observing what is happening in Mexico today; where the PAN political party's Estate police is running freely commiting crimes.

Of course this is not good for Mexico, but it is real, a real situation in an urgent need for a correcting sequence.

You want to come to Baja under this situation, be my guest, but you can not say you were ignorant about the actual situation.

Cypress - 4-17-2012 at 02:42 PM

ramuma53, Thanks for the heads up.;D

norte - 4-17-2012 at 02:50 PM

Cypress. Just a question. so don't go off.

Since you live and spend most of your time in Idaho, what is your interest in this property?

Cypress - 4-17-2012 at 03:00 PM

norte, Zip! Zero! Have been there a time or two, drank some beer, talked with Mark and Olivia. Discussed renting a place from them. Went to the motel, discussed renting from them. The motel people(ramuma53's crew) were freaky, gave me a bad feeling just talking with 'em. I'm done with Baja, but enjoy the back and forth on the forum.:biggrin:

XPBRes - 4-17-2012 at 09:28 PM

Sr. Munoz,
You have now blamed the homeowners/renters for your lack of evidence to remove the “criminals” from the beach. You are always claiming to be in the right without fault and yet you are the one that has yet to prove anything here on this board or at San Buenaventura.

The facts to me are that you CONvinced the Italians to believe in you as you have the people on this board. You produced all the same evidence to them 10 years ago and they decided to sell to you. Never have I gotten them to confirm that you actually paid them. You then CONvinced the renters to believe that you would protect them and give them safety.

The facts as I know them:
We sign over our rights to you.
You would then allow us to continue renting you would represent us in court against being sued, you would not sue us. You offered security and a return to paradise in the Bahia, and for the beach to prosper.

FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS on a weekly basis you’ve told us this would all be over in days or weeks. Now for the last couple years on this board you continue to say the same LIES to anyone that will listen.

The house that we built was broken into and you filed a claim. You were given money for many items that we reported missing. I have EMAILS from you that YOU promised to reimburse us for that loss.

You then asked our permission to use the house that we were leasing from you to run a Federal operation from. You had no right to break the lease and enter the home, BUT YOU DID. You then accused me of informing Olivia, WHICH I DID NOT DO!!! At this point you EVICTED us, I did not just leave. As always, you blame us for your failings.

Mr. Braxton was a friend to you; I lived next to him for many years. He would always go walking early in the morning many times before light (you just might have flashlight). If you were his friend you would have known this. He also TRUSTED you so much he INVESTED a lot of money in the Santa Barbra beach just north of Buenaventura. Could you tell us about that great opportunity and the names of those who lost money trusting you.

To me all that you have said against us are LIES and it shows your character. This is the way you treated all of us after the CONvincing to trust you. If you didn’t get your way you would just BULLY us.

You have brought NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to the beach. Win or lose I don’t care; you have RUINED people’s lives. If your Documents are valid why are you still losing at every turn? I know it’s someone else’s fault that all this not going your way.

See I think they are LIES just like the ones you tell about the PEOPLE THAT DON”T AGREE WITH YOU.

Since you have arrived none of those things came true. THAT MAKES YOU THE LIAR!

The Never-Ending Story

MrBillM - 4-17-2012 at 10:24 PM

I'd ask when the Book is coming out, but this looks like it.

NOW, only one question remains.

When does the Movie premiere ?

AND, who is starring ?

latina - 4-18-2012 at 07:21 AM

Mr. Muñoz likes to use name-calling to put down those who have beliefs contrary to himself...from now on I refer to him as "the narcissist".
In his world he is the king; he sees everyone else as losers and fools, which has been documented in 64 pages of this thread. He puts on the "charm" to his supporters until they dare question him and then they too become victims of his deceitful tongue...

He likes to tell lies about everyone who has an opinion contrary to his own...I wonder what would happen if the tables were turned and a light was shone on the narcissist, instead of the people he perceives to be peons who are simply reacting to all of the deflamatory nonsense he posts....

ramuma53 - 4-18-2012 at 09:03 AM

XBPress or Mr. Clinite
Can you offer an explanation on why would you denny your permission to run the sting operation from my house that you were renting from me?????

The house I was renting to you was not actually used in the sting operation, because Olivia was informed about it as soon as we asked your permission.

Also please tell me why after I asked for your permission and you denied it, you never contacted me again and stopped paying your rent, initiation no contact ever again, in fact this is the first time I hear from you again??????:?:


You must know that Mr. Stan Valentine and Thad Braxton removed all your furniture and belongings from the house without even telling me; just after the fact, they told me it was per your instructions: I did not object because I believed them.

Concerning your solar, I believe you gave it to Mr. Thad Braxton, who installed it on her house and was latter stolen by Olivia and Nark who now have it on the restaurant.
At this point I have not been able to remove Olivia and Nark from the Federal Zone near my property, but I have removed her from my property.

As I remember, You were sued by Olivia and you were very near eviction when I started helping you and you lived at Buenaventura for 5 years more than you would have if I have left you alone to Olivia actions; As I remember, you never paid a penny for attorneys, so received a service without paying and you enjoyed the results only to abandon the place without a word.

I do not want to blame you or even imply that you were partners with Olivia and Michael George and latter Nark on the drug and sexual favors business, but you certainly knew because I was shown a lot of pictures partying with them at the restaurant.

You must admit that it was very strange that after I told you about the sting operation, Olivia was informed and the sting operation had to be cancelled for a while.

That sting operation was run again and resulted in the turtle bust and the next time was run from the same house I was renting you and if you had given permission at that time, they would have caught her with the drugs instead of only the turtles.

That stings operations have been run several times and have resulted in Olivia going to jail several times caught with small amounts of drugs, but the first time she was unaware and would have been caught with the full load, that since you denying she never hold in the restaurant again.

But please tell us you experiences during the golden years of Olivia running the sexual favors operation in Buenaventura??????????????????????



[Edited on 4-18-2012 by ramuma53]

latina - 4-18-2012 at 09:12 AM

There it is...

ramuma53 - 4-18-2012 at 09:31 AM

Latina or Maria Olivia Higera Aguilar or La Vaquera or La Tia

Those are names you are known by the Federal Police, Navy intelligence and drugs world.

You can call me anything you want as in fact you do, but words are not harmful and have no consequence, but your criminal actions do:

Olivia or La Vaquera, please tell us if it is true that you only have a rent contract with Ejido La Purisima?????

Olivia or La Vaquera, please deny that Mark Jerome Burbey alias Nark is being prosecuted for armed robbery, damage to property, injuries with intent to kill and sexual assault against a 15 year old kid???????

Olivia or La Vaquera, please deny that you were convicted for selling sea turtle at your restaurant???

Olivia or La Vaquera, please deny that you have been caught by the army with drugs in your restaurant and spent several nights in jail for that until you accepted being a drug user.???

Olivia or La Vaquera, please deny that you were convicted for fraud against Mr. and Mrs. Christ and ordered to return the $50,000 US dollars you defrauded to them by the court and never comply with the order????????

Olivia or La Vaquera, please deny that you were running a sexual favors operation at your restaurant together with drug unloading during the night??????

Olivia or La Vaquera, please deny that you injured James Russell Higs in your restaurant with a machete over the head and threw him to the sea thinking he was dead and you are being prosecuted for those acts.???????????????

Olivia or La Vaquera, please deny that you have never owned a piece of land anyplace and you hold only a ejido right and an rent contract from them on Ejido La Purisima land.??????????

Oliva or La Vaquera, plase deny that you have commited a lot of roberies at my hotel Buenaventura, destoryed its installations and caused damages together with Nark.

Please deny those facts so I have the pleasure to expose you with documents here, but of course, you can just not deny it and ignore it so everyone here know you.

Skipjack Joe - 4-18-2012 at 09:57 AM

Gnukid,

We can't read spanish.

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