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DENNIS - 9-7-2009 at 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by EngineerMike
Dennis- you may have a point in such cases as the indigenous population has other options for housing.

Not sure I follow that. You say the indigenous have houseing options? Who are the indigenous? What are their options?

You can rebuild your house on the train tracks for all I care. You, of all people, know of what I referred to.

DENNIS - 9-7-2009 at 11:17 AM

And you, Skeet....go out in the garage and get drunk. You make more sense when you're bombed.

vgabndo - 9-7-2009 at 11:18 AM

Corky..I'm glad you got your breath back. And, I know how easy it is for anger to replace grief when you lose something you love.

I am still occasionally seething about my losses a year ago to Julio in San Nicolas. This has NOTHING to do with 650 feet of fencing, or my little casita; I knew all along that they could be gone at ANY time and I was ready for that. At $1000 a year for land rent, after 14 years, I had more invested in rent than in all the physical improvements. What still makes me homicidal is the way my wrecked place got looted. When I was finally healthy enough to get down there, (I was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma the month after Julio) my Mexican neighbors came to ask if they could buy any of the stuff that was left. What was missing and not washed away, they told me, had been stolen by low-life alcoholic gringos up the arroyo.

I have NEVER gone to Baja to hang out with gringos. It was my viscinos who mattered. I gave everything that was useful from my buildings to a local fisherman who had lost almost everything in the same storm.

My Baja home once again fits in the back of my pick up truck. That's how I started, and that's how it will end.

I don't suppose that anyone here has ever heard: "Don't invest anything in Mexico that you can't afford to lose." In my judgment that goes double if you build on the beach or in an arroyo.

It is all about our hosts, folks! I sure wish we could get some news about the wonderful people in San Nicolas'.

Hang in there everyone.

[Edited on 9-7-2009 by vgabndo]

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toneart - 9-7-2009 at 11:45 AM

Dennis,

I thought you understood what all the pleas of help are about. I certainly have not seen any plea for help for gringos whose houses were damaged or destroyed along the river. Those house are indeed our optional choices to build, rebuild or walk away from. Those houses are our responsibility. Come on, Man...You know that!

Any aid that the good people here on the BajaNomad are soliciting will be earmarked only for the indigenous people whose housing is not an optional choice. These funds are beginning to emerge, and I completely trust them; Engineer Mike, The Baja Bush Pilots, Rick Barber and also the Mulege Rotary. Forgive me if I have omitted any. Once the funds and material goods are received, they will be distributed to the locals in an orderly manner.

Of course my community is Mulege and that is my area of concentration. Other funds for other areas are also emerging. Nomads, or anyone else may donate to their fund/area of their choice.

Cypress - 9-7-2009 at 11:50 AM

vandenberg, Regarding the process of rebuilding over and over after storms/floods in the US. Check out the building codes. After each event the codes are revised; elevations, number of studs, trusses, etc. Take a tape and measure the high water line from Jimena. The ground floor should be at least 3', higher. Will cost more up front, but in the long run it'll be well worth it. If you don't actually own the ground, the additional expense might not be worth it in the long term. And my heart goes out to all the storm victims in MULEGE in spite of what some Nomads may choose to believe.

toneart - 9-7-2009 at 11:59 AM

Thank You, Cypress. I accept that!

Cypress - 9-7-2009 at 12:22 PM

toneart, Wish you all the best. You and your fellow storm survivors are under more stress than most people have ever had to deal with. You'll recover and so will MULEGE.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-7-2009 at 12:23 PM

For all of you
Non Loving Nomads}

BaJA IS NOT ABOUT MATERIAL THINGS/

It is about LOVE,ADVENTURE,CARING FOR THE PEOPLE,BEAUTIFULL SUNSETS, CLEAN CLEAR WATER, FISH,,

Yes, many of us were warned "Never invest more than you can afford to lose" but with all of the great things about Baja you overlook that.

I will say it again that Baja is not for those who Worship Material things.

Vagabondo said it right, you do not Measure Baja by the House you live in.Skeet

toneart - 9-7-2009 at 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
For all of you
Non Loving Nomads}

BaJA IS NOT ABOUT MATERIAL THINGS/

It is about LOVE,ADVENTURE,CARING FOR THE PEOPLE,BEAUTIFULL SUNSETS, CLEAN CLEAR WATER, FISH,,

Yes, many of us were warned "Never invest more than you can afford to lose" but with all of the great things about Baja you overlook that.

I will say it again that Baja is not for those who Worship Material things.

Vagabondo said it right, you do not Measure Baja by the House you live in.Skeet

This is absolutely correct! :yes:

Bajahowodd - 9-7-2009 at 12:43 PM

With the possible exception of Los Cabos :lol:

Udo - 9-7-2009 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

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AMÉN

Cypress - 9-7-2009 at 01:07 PM

But it's nice to have someplace to hang your hat. :yes:

EngineerMike - 9-7-2009 at 01:12 PM

"It is about LOVE,ADVENTURE,CARING FOR THE PEOPLE,BEAUTIFULL SUNSETS, CLEAN CLEAR WATER, FISH,..."

Skeet- you forgot the Fish Tacos!!

DENNIS - 9-7-2009 at 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
But it's nice to have someplace to hang your hat. :yes:

In Skeet's case, with his aluminum foil chapeau......the little doctor advised him to never remove it. :lol:

Cypress - 9-7-2009 at 01:17 PM

DENNIS, :lol:

Bajahowodd - 9-7-2009 at 01:19 PM

If you got reception that good, you'd never remove it either.

Any Updates on Mulege Relief Donation Drop Off Spots for San Diego??

lindsay - 9-7-2009 at 01:38 PM

Just checking if anyone has info on where collected relief supplies (i.e. clothing and other needs) can be dropped off in the San Diego area. I have been e-mailing with the Baja Bush pilot contact and was wondering if anyone has updates on this area. For example, can items be dropped at any of the local SD airports that the pilots will leave from?? Or any people going down by car who are able to take donated items...thanks for any updates on this area!!

EngineerMike - 9-7-2009 at 01:44 PM

This just in: Major Disaster in San Juanico,
......the town is OUT OF BEER!!!!!!!!

Maybe the Governor will do a flyover to inspect the state of sobriety, and order emergency supplies airdropped in?

Sharksbaja - 9-7-2009 at 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
vandenberg, Regarding the process of rebuilding over and over after storms/floods in the US. Check out the building codes. After each event the codes are revised; elevations, number of studs, trusses, etc. Take a tape and measure the high water line from Jimena. The ground floor should be at least 3', higher. Will cost more up front, but in the long run it'll be well worth it. If you don't actually own the ground, the additional expense might not be worth it in the long term. And my heart goes out to all the storm victims in MULEGE in spite of what some Nomads may choose to believe.

Thanks for choosing good words Cypress or whatever your real name is. It would be nice to know your (real) name. I've always enjoyed your positive opinions about Mulege.

Keep it up, it helps!

DENNIS - 9-7-2009 at 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by EngineerMike
This just in: Major Disaster in San Juanico,
......the town is OUT OF BEER!!!!!!!!

Now...This is serious. If this isn't picked up by the US news, nothing ever will be.

Hendo - 9-7-2009 at 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by lindsay
Just checking if anyone has info on where collected relief supplies (i.e. clothing and other needs) can be dropped off in the San Diego area. I have been e-mailing with the Baja Bush pilot contact and was wondering if anyone has updates on this area. For example, can items be dropped at any of the local SD airports that the pilots will leave from?? Or any people going down by car who are able to take donated items...thanks for any updates on this area!!

I will be at the border in the next day or two w/room for more donations. Let me know.

mulegemichael - 9-7-2009 at 01:55 PM

corky...any shots of your place?...anything left?...we got lucky and we still have a house..albeit full of mud and useless appliances and furniture.

Cypress - 9-7-2009 at 02:14 PM

Sharksbaja, My name is Bobby and I'm a fellow smoker, fish that is. Good luck with your storm recovery.

mulegemichael - 9-7-2009 at 02:26 PM

i'm a smoker too, bobby; just took 70# of chinook fillets out of the smoker...they'll be going south with us..yum!

Cypress - 9-7-2009 at 02:36 PM

mulegemichael, 70 lbs. of smoked chinook! That's some serious smoking. What kind of smoker do you have? They'll be rolling out the red carpet for you in MULEGE.

Donations SD!!!!

jerryjust - 9-7-2009 at 02:36 PM

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I live in Rosarito on the Toll Road 15min.south of TJ and will be leaving to Mulege next week with stuff they need.My house was washed away so I need nothing,but have a p.u. would take some items down for any one if they can get them here. just U2U me,or call me.619-507-9338.

jerryjust

arrowhead - 9-7-2009 at 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by Bob H
I was thinking that rebuilding along the Mulege river will never be allowed again.... only at higher elevations .... maybe a road, but no dwellings... comments?
Bob H

For the sake of discussion, why would the government prohibit rebuilding? That would decrease the incentive to clean-up and eliminate the jobs and inflow of cash that rebuilding would bring. It would also have long term negative economic effects in that fewer people with reliable income would be living there, supporting the local businesses.

In this particular case, if someone wants to take the risk, they should be allowed. High risk, yes, but the reward can be high. Rio Mulege, or whatever the river is named, is a unique place and I certainly understand why people want to live there.

They are not going to stop the gringos from building in the river bottom. It's no skin off their nose. Gringo's bring in money and when they are wiped out it doesn't cost the Mexican government one cent. The gringo's don't get the government handouts of food, clothing and plywood.

In fact, having gringos it is like a disaster insurance program for Mexico. After every disaster the gringos come in, throw their money around, and jump start the economy.

arrowhead - 9-7-2009 at 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
BaJA IS NOT ABOUT MATERIAL THINGS/

It is about LOVE,ADVENTURE,CARING FOR THE PEOPLE,BEAUTIFULL SUNSETS, CLEAN CLEAR WATER, FISH

Clean, clear water and fish are material things.

Bob H - 9-7-2009 at 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
bob...i think you are right; the powers that be have already considered not allowing any more building in that area..i think after this one we will be losing many of our neighbors in the oasis as after julio many of them were gone...this might be the proverbial "straw"...too bad....i wonder if jungle jims is still there, our little watering hole?...i will sorely miss it if it's gone

I also wonder about Jungla Jims place... would hate to see it gone! What a wonderful watering hole and restaurant it is/was!???
Bob H

mulegemichael - 9-7-2009 at 03:35 PM

jungla's is there; we just got word...bart will be back on line in no time...lemme buy you a cold one soon...we head down in three days

Bob H - 9-7-2009 at 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

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Originally posted by Bob H
I was thinking that rebuilding along the Mulege river will never be allowed again.... only at higher elevations .... maybe a road, but no dwellings... comments?
Bob H

Hi Bob!

Yes, there is talk of that, but nothing official yet. It probably make good sense, after this Hurricane.

But if this is not enacted, it should certainly be a personal decision for each individual. Some will. We should not judge their personal decisions; some have something left with which to rebuild; some have faith that it will never happen again; Some are so emotionally attached to the place that they can't let it go.

The reality of this last Hurricane is so new than many have not been able to assimilate it. Besides, there is the very immediate crises of life for the locals that we need to consider first, in my opinion. Events will shake out (and dry out) in time and in increments

Time puts things in proper perspective, and those perspectives are different for each individual involved.

I have met you and Audrey and I know your concern for the people of Mulege. Your heart is in the right place.

Tony, you know where I'm coming from... We absolutely love the place and the people there... hang in there... great post! Bob H

Bajahowodd - 9-7-2009 at 04:37 PM

Gee, did we just close this thread? :yes:

Paladin - 9-7-2009 at 04:57 PM

This isn't meant to get away from Mulege but what is the situation in San Bruno???

EngineerMike - 9-7-2009 at 04:59 PM

Here is the Treasurer's Report for donations for Mulege collected thru Mulege Student Scholarship Program to date, 9/7/09 17:00-

Cash:
1 donation of $100 via paypal (thanks to the generous Nomad who contributed)
That's it. That's all. I'm amazed.
If you hear that sound of silence around you, it is you not contributing. Please pony up folks, this is going to take more than used clothing to get things kicked into shape in Mulege.

Goods:
8 large boxes of clothing plus the 15% to cover duty at the border. Thanks to a daughter of Mulege full time residents from Grass Valley, CA.

Once again- PayPal at mike@fleming.cc and I'll kick in the 3% paypal fee so 100 cents on the dollar goes to Mulege. Hurt me please!!!

Or mail a check to MSSP, 1284 Vintage Way, Auburn, CA 95603.
Everyone will receive a receipt via email or snail mail as you initiate w/the non-profit info, and a copy of our most recent report to sponsors.
Time is a waisting, tempus fugit!!

Udo - 9-7-2009 at 05:06 PM

I collected 22 bags of clothes at this weekend's yard sales here in the mountains. I am told we can forward them to www.bajabushpilots.com and arrange to meet someone. But who has the paypal account so we can send dineros?

Quote:
Originally posted by EngineerMike
Here is the Treasurer's Report for donations for Mulege collected thru Mulege Student Scholarship Program to date, 9/7/09 17:00-

Cash:
1 donation of $100 via paypal (thanks to the generous Nomad who contributed)
That's it. That's all. I'm amazed.
If you hear that sound of silence around you, it is you not contributing. Please pony up folks, this is going to take more than used clothing to get things kicked into shape in Mulege.

Goods:
8 large boxes of clothing plus the 15% to cover duty at the border. Thanks to a daughter of Mulege full time residents from Grass Valley, CA.

Once again- PayPal at mike@fleming.cc and I'll kick in the 3% paypal fee so 100 cents on the dollar goes to Mulege. Hurt me please!!!

Or mail a check to MSSP, 1284 Vintage Way, Auburn, CA 95603.
Everyone will receive a receipt via email or snail mail as you initiate w/the non-profit info, and a copy of our most recent report to sponsors.
Time is a waisting, tempus fugit!!

EngineerMike - 9-7-2009 at 05:30 PM

Make that $150 total, Thanks to a Loreto Nomad!!!

I call that a good start. Mulege needs lots more. Mike

Pescador - 9-7-2009 at 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Paladin
This isn't meant to get away from Mulege but what is the situation in San Bruno???

Whew, I started to think that this was a Jimena hits Mulege thread. Santa Rosalia is a real mess with around 40% of the structures either down or not functional. San Ignacio had some serious damage and reports have been very slow in coming out of there. San Lucas was hit very hard with a lot of roofs knocked off and walls in serious damage. One guy there died because they could not get supplemental oxygen to him when the bridge went out. I am having trouble getting reports from San Jose De Magdelena and have heard that the road is still unpassable, Punta Chivato road was reported open but mostly 4x4. Santa Agueda had some serious damage and again the road is impassable (the same road that washed out the Santa Rosalia Bridge goes right through Santa Agueda. School was out so the boarding school may not have had a full complement of students.
San Bruno had a lot of damage with roofs blown off and walls collapsing. The temporary shelter has been completely filled with people who have nowhere else to go. I am sure the marina is filled up with rocks and gravel again and there is no electricity or water. Reports and phone calls are very slow in coming in from the ranchos in the mountains but almost all of them live very close to the water so that they can have water for themselves and livestock but in the case of a flood like this one most of their things get washed away. The roads in the backcountry have been impassible after the last two hurricanes and I suspect that this one is even worse so if they are coming to get supplies they will probably have to do so on horseback.
All of the little villages from San Carlos like La Purisima, San Isidro, San Migues de Comondu, San Jose de Comondu, and even Saint Martha, got really nailed with this storm but not much information is forthcoming yet.
The tourist population is mostly aware of the campgrounds, towns like Loreto and Mulege, but there is a whole other world 5 miles or more off of the beaten path where people are tough and resilient but I am sure that they could use some help to recover also.
During Hurricane John, the COMSA company at San Marcos Island became a major contributor to the people at San Bruno, Santa Rosalia, and Mulege but so far communication has been very slow in coming from the island. Most of the people who live on the island are in a major wash and with the water amounts elsewhere I am sure they have had some major problems there also. When the phone relays were down due to electrical problems, phone communication went down and the sea has been too rough to cross to the island so they have been pretty well cut off from civilization also.

[Edited on 9-8-2009 by Pescador]

Destiny - 9-7-2009 at 05:46 PM

Hey everyone, since we can't make it down until fire season is over, we have talked to one of the local pubs and are going to be holding a friends of Mulege donation night. Thought that perhaps others could organize similar functions. They need all the help they can get At least, from the looks of things, the spirit of Mulege still exists, after all, that is what we all have come to love.

(initially posted in Mulege Today topic by accident, thought I should repost)

Bajahowodd - 9-7-2009 at 05:49 PM

Let's not forget about the destruction that occurred on the West coast around Mag Bay. The good news is that the relief efforts from La Paz are able to get there. As was previously stated in another thread, perhaps we can later show support by concentrating whale watching trips to Mag Bay to stimulate the local economy.

EngineerMike - Do not despair
Posada-BushPilot - 9-7-2009 at 06:14 PM

The Rotary club has received commitments (Pledges) for well over $9000 usd plus another $5k in a pending matching grant. And this is just from our members. We have two members , Curtis Pearson and Linda Mitchell who operate a Lake concession (cruise boat) in Northern Idaho who are donating the proceeds for an entire days business!

I will have the banking information we need by tomorrow to get the money flowing into the club's Bancomer account. Failing tha,t we will use your Scholarship account to collect the donations.

I'm feeling pretty confident that we will be in good shape financially to really make a difference in the coming weeks.

mulegemichael - 9-7-2009 at 08:07 PM

mike...do not despair...roz and i will deposit 2 grand in the account with rick barber tomorrow at bank of america...it takes time...all the banks were closed today here so that makes it a little tough...we're on it, amigo...on our way thursday...same as you

Crusoe - 9-7-2009 at 08:29 PM

Ok Arrowhead..... Please give us your real name, phone # and address, date of birth, and SEX.. NO BACK TYPING, COME CLEAN. Skeeter is an old man still finding his way, and has alot of knowledge how things work in Baja. Your constant negative attacks are getting very old!! There is people on this thread that want to help people in dire situations, so just back off with your negative energy and tell us whats so horribly wrong with you, and why you are so intent with your negative posts that continually assualt Nomads when they are trying from the bottom of their hearts and souls to help. Please come clean?????

We're waiting.................
tortuga - 9-7-2009 at 08:52 PM

mulegemichael - 9-7-2009 at 08:57 PM

uh oh...misinterpretation...i think..slow down folks...we're ok...we're all a big community and if we were at a barbeque someplace right now together we'd all be chucklin'...adult beverage in hand...take a deep breath

BajaNuts - 9-7-2009 at 10:07 PM

I feel there are many $$$$ from Nomads....waiting in the wings..... waiting for the official post of "Hurricane Jimena relief fund is set up".

I haven't seen that yet. It may be in these posts somewhere....

If it is, it got lost in the Jimena thread.

If a fund is in place and ready for donations, Please Post links and info Clearly and separately so it doesn't get lost in the other disaster information.

edit- I just went back and viewed "today's posts" to make sure I didn't miss something and I don't see a "Donate Now" post/link.

[Edited on 9-8-2009 by BajaNuts]

[Edited on 9-8-2009 by BajaNuts]

For Hendo, PLS check your U2U NFM
vgabndo - 9-7-2009 at 10:34 PM

Hendo, please check your U2U.

EngineerMike - 9-7-2009 at 10:36 PM

Treasurer's Update:

Cash now $200US plus $100 Canadian. Too late to do the math, but thanks to the Nomads making it happen. Things are starting to cook now.

Hurt me some more w/that 3% PayPal match, I haven't had to put up much yet, but hoping to get hurt bad.

Yeah, I know- its "badly" but its late & I'm hitting the sak.

arrowhead - 9-7-2009 at 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Crusoe
Ok Arrowhead..... why you are so intent with your negative posts that continually assualt Nomads when they are trying from the bottom of their hearts and souls to help. Please come clean?????

Why don't you grow up? Where are my negative posts? Show them to me. I made what I think is one of the best suggestions here: Give money to the Mexican Red Cross earmarked for Hurricane Jimena.

But, oh no, half the people here poo-pooed the idea. It seems everybody and his brother wants to run his own little charity organization. They all want to step on each others toes standing out on the main street in Mulege being a hero passing out used clothes to the indios. They all want to be efficient spending $300 in gas driving themsleves down there to pass out $400 worth of used clothes. They all think they can handle it better than the Mexicans can. They all think they know who deserves the charity more than the Mexicans do. They all think they know more what the people need than the Mexicans themselves.

What hubris.

BajaNuts - 9-7-2009 at 10:43 PM

E-Mike-

Please make it easy for us...

where's the link to the "DONATE HERE" page?

I say this because after being out of the forum for 13 hours, it takes a while to get caught up. If your current posts included a link or reference to the donation site, it would help us stragglers catch up.

Thanks.

'nuts

[Edited on 9-8-2009 by BajaNuts]

austriaco - 9-8-2009 at 01:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Posada-BushPilot
The Rotary club has received commitments (Pledges) for well over $9000 ...............

I will have the banking information we need by tomorrow to get the money flowing into the club's Bancomer account. Failing tha,t we will use your Scholarship account to collect the donations.

[Edited on 9-8-2009 by austriaco]

Posada-BushPilot,
can you please publish the Clubs Bancomer account number?
If one has an account there himself, its easier to make a transfer then anything else.

[Edited on 9-8-2009 by austriaco]

baja-spirit - 9-8-2009 at 05:40 AM

I tried to donate thru Pay Pal to mike@fleming.cc, what am I doing wrong, it keeps saying need a valid email addy...

k-rico - 9-8-2009 at 06:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by arrowhead

Quote:
Originally posted by Crusoe
Ok Arrowhead..... why you are so intent with your negative posts that continually assualt Nomads when they are trying from the bottom of their hearts and souls to help. Please come clean?????

Why don't you grow up? Where are my negative posts? Show them to me. I made what I think is one of the best suggestions here: Give money to the Mexican Red Cross earmarked for Hurricane Jimena.

But, oh no, half the people here poo-pooed the idea. It seems everybody and his brother wants to run his own little charity organization. They all want to step on each others toes standing out on the main street in Mulege being a hero passing out used clothes to the indios. They all want to be efficient spending $300 in gas driving themsleves down there to pass out $400 worth of used clothes. They all think they can handle it better than the Mexicans can. They all think they know who deserves the charity more than the Mexicans do. They all think they know more what the people need than the Mexicans themselves.

What hubris.

Interesting post. Right to the point. Arrowhead's argument holds water. "Sorry your town has been destroyed, here's some old clothes." Does the thought really count?

Beachgirl - 9-8-2009 at 06:44 AM

EngineerMike - I just made my donation thru your Paypal account. Please check it out. Says you need to do something at your end to register as a recipient. So....instead of going to B of A today I shifted the funds to YOU. Hope you get it. Let me know please. Paypal is easier. I had been waiting for the holiday weekend to end so I could get into the bank.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-8-2009 at 06:58 AM

The Baja Nomads are doing a great Job!

The People of Mulege are doing a great Job!! Mexicanos and Americanos!!

The Baja Bush Pilots are doing a great Job!!

Thanks to all of those great People in their Efforts to recover from a Tough Time.

Skeet/Loreto

Additional Donation Site
Mexrick - 9-8-2009 at 07:28 AM

I have many pictures of the destruction on my website (www.mulege-mls.com) and instructions on how you can donate to the Mulege Relief Fund.

If you are coming down, the hotels are full but we need food, clothing and, of course, $$$. Your generosity will be greatly appreciated.

Rick

Beachgirl - 9-8-2009 at 08:35 AM

Ok heads up people. I did my noble thing sending money via Paypal to EngineerMike...problem is I used two "M"s in Flemming...Wrong. There is only one "M", had I paid attention I would have done it right. I have cancelled the outgoing payment to Mike FleMMing, but can't stop Paypal from extracting funds from my bank account. Now it will be 2-3 business days before it actually shows as a positive balance in Paypal (don't know why). Then I will be able to resend to the correct address. Just in case there is someone out there who might make the same mistake wanted to give a heads up on this. I believe Mike is making some posting with a easy click on now, so I might be the only one to screw up my donation...

Beachgirl - 9-8-2009 at 08:38 AM

One more idea. We are buying a solar shower bag to hang outside. Even if we can get a couple of gallons of water in there, we can at least rinse ourselves off. Just a thought for those peeps who are driving down.

Beachgirl - 9-8-2009 at 08:40 AM

How about gallon baggies to donate, so that the people who are distributing fem products, diapers and stuff can separate and bag small items for people...

PayPal Donations
EngineerMike - 9-8-2009 at 08:58 AM

First, a million thanks to all contributing. Received & hard pledges (i.e. I know its coming) comes to $2,285.

For donation through the Mulege Student Scholarship Program, Inc:

1) Right Click on This Link to PayPal and choose "Open Link in New Tab." This will leave these instructions open in this tab for your reference.

2) Login as usual

3) Click on "Send Money"

4) to avoid problems with misspelling, copy my email address as follows & paste it in the "TO (email or mobile phone)" field:
mike@fleming.cc

5) Fill in the donation amount in "Amount", click "Personal" and choose "Gift" and click "Continue"

6) on the next screen scroll down & write any note you would like to send, your address would be great but not req'd, then click "SEND"
and you have donated.

3 caveats:
First, misspelling will mess things up, cut & paste is better.
Second, PayPal may hold large donation amounts for a day or two to "verify funds" or have other similar process with your account; usually they explain that on screen or in an email. That's no big deal here, you can send me a note so I know what's in the works and can plan. This effort will take many weeks. Our first brigade leaves in 2 or 3 days.
Third, in step 5 above, choosing clicking PERSONAL and choosing GIFT eliminates the PayPal 3%. Please do this, AND I WILL STILL KICK IN THE 3% ON TOP!!! THANKS FOR HURTING ME MORE!!!!

Again if you prefer to send a check:
MSSP, 1284 Vintage Way, Auburn, CA 95603

Mulege Student Scholarship Program, Inc. is a California Non-profit corporation, federal tax I.D. 94-3246122 in business since 1987.

[Edited on 9-8-2009 by EngineerMike]

monoloco - 9-8-2009 at 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Crusoe
Ok Arrowhead..... why you are so intent with your negative posts that continually assualt Nomads when they are trying from the bottom of their hearts and souls to help. Please come clean?????

Why don't you grow up? Where are my negative posts? Show them to me. I made what I think is one of the best suggestions here: Give money to the Mexican Red Cross earmarked for Hurricane Jimena.

But, oh no, half the people here poo-pooed the idea. It seems everybody and his brother wants to run his own little charity organization. They all want to step on each others toes standing out on the main street in Mulege being a hero passing out used clothes to the indios. They all want to be efficient spending $300 in gas driving themsleves down there to pass out $400 worth of used clothes. They all think they can handle it better than the Mexicans can. They all think they know who deserves the charity more than the Mexicans do. They all think they know more what the people need than the Mexicans themselves.

What hubris.

Interesting post. Right to the point. Arrowhead's argument holds water. "Sorry your town has been destroyed, here's some old clothes." Does the thought really count?
I think that Arrowhead has a valid point. I have been through many Baja hurricanes and I'm always amazed at how fast the Mexican people working together with local govt., the army,CFE, and Cruz Roja put things back together. Yes this is a tragedy, but don't underestimate the capacity of the local people, they have been through this before. Donate in a way that isn,t condescending to local organizations, they have it together more than some might think.

Mika - 9-8-2009 at 09:49 AM

Hi all,

I just heard from a friend who drove down to GN to Loreto yesterday (9/7). This is basically the same thing posted here already, but I thought I will post it anyway.

San Ignacio had 2 feet of mud through the road leading to the center of town. No electricity. No electricity in Santa Rosalia either. It will be a long time the electricity is fully back up because so many power lines are down. In Mulege, people had their mattresses drying outside, trash in the trees and all over. A lot of dead stuff, fecal matter and smelled so much. Flies everywhere.

As for the driving itself, except for one place just south of Sta. Rosalia it is very drivable. (Note that my friend is driving a sedan.) All the bridges on the new road between Sta. Rosalia and Mulege were washed out, the old road just got covered in mud, but it was cleaned off, and that is what is now being used.

Everywhere people are talking that there is no water and no beer.

On a brighter side, because of so much rain, desert is full of green and it is so beautiful, showing the beauty and strength of Baja.

What happened in San Ignacio?????
mtgoat666 - 9-8-2009 at 09:50 AM

So much talk about Mulege,... I am still wondering what happened in San Ignacio Village. Any news?????????

maybe it is buried in all the prior posts, just can't find way to plow thru the long string of posts

wilderone - 9-8-2009 at 09:59 AM

Could someone please explain how all the cash donations are going to be used? Are supplies going to be purchased in the US with the money and taken down to [where? - Mulege, Lopez M., or?]. Who will be purchasing? Paying top dollar or getting discounts, used items or what? What supplies are going to be purchased - construction, household, emergency food/water? Who is going to oversee the funds so that it is assured that the money is spent wisely? Will there be accountability by those collecting the money? Will the collection be ongoing (a year?), with disbursements made at a later date for later needs? Follow-up, progress reports? I don't agree that supplies and cash should be turned over to the resident priest. This is a serious endeavor and needs to be well thought out. Our local TV had a spokesperson from a San Diego Red Cross office who said that they accommodate international relief, and that Mexico needs to request their help. Maybe the mayor of Mulege can specifically ask the San Diego Red Cross to help them, and maybe there needs to be some advice provided in this regard. Need somebody at ground zero to relay immediate needs and coordinate efforts.

shari - 9-8-2009 at 10:04 AM

I spoke to Juanita at Casa Leree...the village was also hit very hard with the most severe flooding since 1959...but she said everything was under control...the army and locals were dealing with things and that they didnt need any immediate aid.

EngineerMike - 9-8-2009 at 11:40 AM

Wilder1-
There are several conduits now. Nomad Mexrick (Rick Barber of Mulege MLS), Baja Bush Pilots (most welcome guys in Baja in times like this), Mulege Student Scholarship Program, Inc., Mulege Rotary is mobilizing and will have an announcement hopefully w/in 24 hrs (forgive them for not having com's up as they have much on their individual plates), a whole lot of individuals in caravans, and I'm sure I've missed some.

Here is what MSSP is and will be doing:
Collections will continue till they stop coming. Thanks to all who have given, and those that will hopefully soon.

We will purchase food & repair supplies in the U.S. at home stores, etc. and truck them down ourselves. We are trying to get dispensation at MexCustoms thru the Consulate today; no promises- I will pay the duty if we don't get a pass, as I don't want to spend weeks or months trying to save 15%. Virtually all this stuff is 30% more in MX anyway due to their import taxes.

I'm leaving Thu or Fri w/the first load which is already full, and staying at most overnight. I'll talk to the Military at the Kindergarten food station, Bomberos at the firehouse, Saul Davis who knows everybody and everybody knows him, the Delegado, hopefully DIF, and then head back for next round of purchase/load/travel. After John we made 5 trips in rapid succession over 2.5 months. After Julio- 3 trips. Subsequent loads will include a 5x8 box trailer. Each trip's load will take first what didn't fit last time then new stuff depending on recon results as they evolve. There is no question we will run out of cash months before the needs are satisfied. My wife & I are donating the gas & travel costs 100%, and the time.

Our funds will be overseen by me personally (same as the Scholarship funds overall). We will report here on Nomad what the situation is each trip, and what we forsee. Each person who donates receives appropriate receipt for their donation, and follow up reports on how disbursement happens. Hope to count you in soon.

As to the Delegado asking the Red Cross, I'll make you a deal- you contact SanDiego Red Cross and find out exactly what "Mexico needs to request their help" means. Sounds to me like they need Cruz Roja to ask Red Cross, but they likely have some specific protocol, maybe Governor or President has to ask. Get the very specific scoop on this and email it to me at mike@fleming.cc. I will relay that immediately to somebody in Mulege who can interface w/the Delegado (not sure who but I will find out). If it takes you a coupla days and I'm on the road, I will get the info in Mulege and take it to the Delegado myself. Sooner is better, we're burnin daylight. Thanks.

Renting a Semi and Truck Driver ?
ElFaro - 9-8-2009 at 12:39 PM

Has anyone considered renting a Mexican Semi-Truck and Trailer rig with driver either as an independent or from a Company in TJ maybe willing to donate the truck? People could load the truck at some dropoff point in TJ and then someone already heading down could either drive with the trucker or lead/follow with their car/truck? Sometimes these truckers know how to get through the "red tape".

Cypress - 9-8-2009 at 01:04 PM

EngineerMike, Some folks talk about it and some folks do it. You're doing it. Good luck. Keep us posted.

PLAYA LOS NARANJOS MULEGE MX
foxyrose - 9-8-2009 at 01:41 PM

I AM SUPPOSE TO VISIT OUR FRIENDS DUSTIN AND LILY BROWN LATER THIS MONTH, BUT HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEM. CAN ANYBODY GIVE ME SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THEIR WHEREABOUTS AND IF THEY SUFFERED ANY DAMAGE ON THE BEACH. I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE PALAPA BUT CAN NOT FIND ANY PICS OF THEIR NEW PLACE. WOULD APPREICATE ANY INFO YOU CAN PROVIDE AS WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEM. HOPE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE SOON. IF YOU SEE THEM, TELL THEM TO PLEASE, PLEASE CONTACT US. WE ARE WORRIED SICK.

Cypress - 9-8-2009 at 01:54 PM

foxyrose, The area along the Rio was flooded etc. Naranjos? Your buddies are probably OK. No power. No telephone. No way to contact you.

Bob and Susan - 9-8-2009 at 02:40 PM

dustin is fine...not even here

JESSE - 9-8-2009 at 02:55 PM

In the Santo Domingo-Zaragoza-Insurgentes area things are advancing pretty good. We sent water, food, and blankets, and today i was informed electricity is back, as well as cell phones. They are still working on getting the water back, and are fixing lots of damage due to high winds. People are happy no deaths or serious injuries happened. I am heading up again this next Monday and will report on progress.

Mulege Rotary Club Bank Account info
Posada-BushPilot - 9-8-2009 at 03:06 PM

For those of you who wish to donate dollars to the Mulege relief efforts thru our Rotary Club the following is our account information for wire/electronic transfers.

Bank: BBVA Bancomer, SA
Branch #: 5140
Address: Calle Zaragoza sn Col Centro Mulege BCS
client name: Ramon Mesa Canett
Account #; 0159340572
interbank key: 012040001593405729
swift------BCMRMXMM
ABA#: 021000021

Mr. Ramon Canett (know as Gallito or little chicken in english) is the hospital adminstrator, the fire chief, and treasurer of our Rotary Club. Quito, will assist him with disbursing the donations. Quito is last years President of our club, assistant fire chief and works at the high school. Both very trustworthy gentlemen and we are blessed to have them active in our club.

The money will be used to purchase building materials, food, clothing, etc. to those Mexican citizens of Mulege whom they (Gallito & Quito) determine to be in dire need of assistance.
They will be held accountable for every dollar and have proven to be reliable with accounting for expenditures.

I plan to post an update weekly with results of our fundraising drive. Please send me an email to let me know that you have sent in a donation and indicate if you wish to remain anonymous.

Mike Fleming has agreed to allow us to use his paypal account for collecting donations which he will wire transfer into our Bancomer account. Thank you Mike. I will re-post his instructions to use paypal in another post. This one is getting way tooo long.

On behalf of the Rotary membership I'd like to thank you for your generosity and support.

randykephart@yahoo.com

Bajahowodd - 9-8-2009 at 03:10 PM

I'm thinking that this IS the go-to spot. Thanks, Randy.

foxyrose - 9-8-2009 at 03:44 PM

Do you know if there was any damage to Los Naranjos. Does anybody of pictures.

BajaNuts - 9-8-2009 at 05:26 PM

foxyrose,
perhaps bob&susan meant for you to send your email to them via u2u and they would send you some pics instead of posting your email on the open forum?
B'Nuts

[Edited on 9-9-2009 by BajaNuts]

Latest Update from Baja Bush Pilots
Siri - 9-8-2009 at 06:10 PM

My name is Siri Thomas. I live in Loreto (although I'm in the US now) and worked with the Baja Bush Pilots during their Airlift after Hurricane John in 2006. I spoke with Jack and Claudia today and wanted to provide a quick update on the status of their efforts.

Jack is back from Baja, after surveying damage and meeting with Cruz Roja (the Mexican Red Cross) to assess needs and discuss delivery strategies. Claudia is putting together a list of their resources and plans so far, including locations where you can drop-off physical donations which will be picked up and transported down by BBP pilots and the options for making financial donations. She will be posting this to the BBP website and mailing list shortly, and then I will copy the update into a Nomads posting, but with a few changes (most importantly, at Jack and Claudia's request, I will be providing my name and contact information for credit card donations to BBP from Nomad members). I am only compiling the information (not the $ itself) to forward to BBP because their office is overwhelmed with responses, logistics and planning.

For those dual BBP/Nomad members, please know that I will post the next BBP update onto Nomads as soon as it's done, as well as a bit more information on how the BBP airlift projects work for those who are not in BBP and may not know. For example, I saw a post where someone questioned the efficiency (in particular, financially) of flying reliefs down instead of driving...they probably don't realize that BBP uses helicopters to deliver relief supplies to isolated ranches all throughout the Sierras--places that can't be reached by road and lack landing strips so helicopters are the only viable option.

Perhaps the most important thing to understand about the BBP is that they are working in conjunction with Cruz Roja (as they did after Hurricane John). Donations will be spread around in the various towns and allocated based on assessments by Cruz Roja. Since CR is on the ground in most affected areas, BBP finds them to be in the best position to make these important decisions.

Based on what I've seen of how the Nomads site is organized, I am thinking I will post BBP's next update here in a new thread specific to BBP, so please check back here and/or look for a new thread with BBP in the subject.

Thanks to everyone who is organizing funds (particularly in the Mulege area), donating $, collecting clothes and other items.

Back shortly...

Siri

[Edited on 9-9-2009 by Siri]

[Edited on 9-9-2009 by Siri]

ecomujeres - 9-8-2009 at 06:12 PM

(first posted Jimena Donation Station Update topic)

UPDATED DONATION LIST - Sept 9

People keep asking "where do I donate?"

I have a one-stop shopping place for all of you who want to donate and am updating it as info comes in.

http://www.lasecomujeres.org/Jimena_links.html

For donation info, a new topic was created: "Jimena Donation Station Update". Please only post donation information th.ere

Let's get to work (wallets), Nomads! Keep Mike, Randy, Rick and the Bush Pilots busy tracking donations.

David K - 9-8-2009 at 06:16 PM

Thank you Siri!

There are many, many non-pilots who used to read the Baja Bush Pilots forums and stay up-to-date with that group who can't since the forums there went to a 'members only' blackout for viewing.

shari - 9-8-2009 at 07:09 PM

I was just sent an email and ask to post this info....

the Mulege people are working very hard and say the Serenidad airstrip should be ready for planes by tomorrow...wednesday.

vgabndo - 9-8-2009 at 07:25 PM

Many thanks to new Nomad HENDO who stopped at our place in Mt. Shasta this afternoon and took boxes of clothing and fifty pounds of hardware on his way to Mulege where he has a place at Don Chano's.

I'm very grateful, and in just a few minutes today I feel like I have a new friend. He and his sister are good folks and I welcome them to the Nomad family.

Big white F 250 diesel with a lumber rack and two wheel barrows over the cab. If you see them blow 'em a kiss.

Crusoe - 9-8-2009 at 07:33 PM

Vgabndo----Good post! You have a great style! Good on Ya!! ++C++

capt. mike - 9-9-2009 at 08:43 AM

good work Siri.
thx for the call yesterday.

BBP is posting relevant info on the public section of the website. anyone can read them, scroll down on the main page.

there's not a lot of extraneous info on the discussion forums of interest unless you're flying. But if you want to follow along, your $50 membership will go to the general fund and as you can see they do a lot of altruistic work, so you can consider it a donation of sorts.

New Thread for BBP Info
Siri - 9-9-2009 at 08:47 AM

I just posted the latest update from Jack McCormick of Baja Bush Pilots, but I accidentally created a new thread called "Baja Bush Pilots-Hurricane Jimena Airlift Project". Since I have no clue how to un-do a thread, for questions or information specific to the airlift, please check and post there (the lists of drop-off sites for donations and other specific information is coming this afternoon). Sorry for any confusion, I'm new to Nomads and just learning how the posts and threads are organized.

dougf69 - 9-9-2009 at 08:59 AM

FOXYROSE!!!!
Check your U2U.
I talked to Dustin a couple of days ago.

shari - 9-9-2009 at 09:14 AM

now that things are getting organized, relief is arriving, cleaning efforts are in full swing....I would like to welcome all the newcomers to Nomad. I hope to see you all posting here more often...remember...the quality of this forum depends on the quality of amigos posting...or as we like to say...playing in the sand box.

Also, a huge gracias to each and every one of you who is doing what they can to help in your own way...we CAN make this world a better place...one person...one day at a time...every little bit helps.

mulegemichael - 9-9-2009 at 09:31 AM

shari....we're pulling outta here and headed down with a full load as soon as fedex brings us our visas..we are champing at the bit...got a truck load full of food, equipment, clothes, etc...hope to see you soon.

fuelpusher2 - 9-9-2009 at 10:06 AM

LORETO - PUERTO ESDONDIDO - TRIPUI:

All services are available - power - water - fuel - land-line & cell phone service. Grocery stores are open but very limited on fresh produce - they do have milk though. LTO airport is open. Hotels & restaurants are open. Town is cleaned up and getting back to "normal".

Just a comment on donations for those in need. A little goes a long way.

In 2004 when we had our devastating fire in Tripui, those of us who stayed in the days and weeks following the fire, were recipients of bags of clothes donated by the folks in Loreto and the Hidden Port Yacht Club in Puerto Escondido. I got out with our truck, boat, dog and the clothes on my back - that was it!!! No wallet, no ID, no money. It was a very, very humbling experience. Their small gesture of donated clothing was appreciated beyond words. I still get emotional just thinking about it.

That 500 lbs of food may seem like just be a drop in the bucket but it will be appreciated beyond measure!!!

PS: For those of you who may not remember, TRIPUI burned to the ground June 26, 2004, 80+palapas, 40 or so boats, 40 or so vehicles. Only the office, restaurant and pool areas were spared. Five years later and you would know it ever happened. In some ways it is not as quoint without the palm frawn palapas but it is still paradise. Most all the spaces are subscribed to and 70% of those have either palapas (non-flamable roofing), ramadas or full on houses.

The phoenix does rise from the ashes!!!!

Chris

Russ - 9-9-2009 at 01:15 PM

I haven't been keeping up with this thread But I had several people tell me they read that the Santa Rosalia hospital was flooded and basically no service. Here is a report from some one there.

Just an observation, I am reading that according to Tirso Baltazar the General Hospital of Santa Rosalia got flooded, this is not true, I live in Santa Rosalia and I know it did not happen, I also checked with the General Director of the Hospital Dr. Edeberto Romo and with the local deputy Lic. Guillermo Santillan and they both confirmed that the hospital in Santa Rosalia did not suffer any damage.. Maybe there is a confusion here, the general Holpital of Mulege town did get hurt badly and does need a lot of help...

[Edited on 9-9-2009 by Russ]

EngineerMike - 9-9-2009 at 02:19 PM

Santa Rosalia is in the "Municipio of Mulege", like a county. That's probably the source of the confusion.

Siri - 9-10-2009 at 10:20 AM

Below is the latest info re: BBP Airlift. Please check the separate thread "Baja Bush Pilots--Hurricane Jimena Relief" for the latest updates. Thanks to all!

Donation Details for Baja Bush Pilots Airlift

For those interested in donating items to the BBP Airlift, here are 2 lists. The first is the items which they need the most (and which are "aircraft friendly" and don't duplicate items already in aid boxes) and the 2nd is drop-off locations:

WHAT WE NEED
Feminine hygene products
Diapers-children and seniors
Undergarments, men, women and children (new)
Wipes for bathing and babies
Mats/small mattresses to sleep on
Blankets, soap, shampoo
Disinfectants-all kinds
Mosquito/Roach spray
Shirts/sweaters
Pants
Shorts
Bedding (sheets, pillows, pillow cases)
socks (new and used)
Towels-all sizes
Basic Toys (balls deflated for easy trasport, dolls, coloring books, crayons)
Shoes, all sizes

DROP-OFF LOCATIONS

California:
Burbank
El Cajon
Imperial
Los Gatos
Long Beach
Santa Monica
East Bay
San Diego
Thermal
Pacoima (near Van Nuys)

Arizona:
Chandler
Sierra Vista

Colorado:
Durango

New Mexico:
Albuquerque

Washington:
Kent

Most locations are near/at small airports, many are hangars or storage facilities. Full information (including a contact name and tel #) for each location is on the BBP website in the public section. Here's how to find it:Go to www.bajabushpilots.com. In the center of the page, scroll down past the "Quick Alerts" section and go down to "Baja Airlift Update" and "click here for more information". Please ignore the 2nd chart (these are places where they have large donations and need a pilot to pick-up, but do not want/need more donations). It would help a lot if folks living nearby could consolidate their donations and make one trip to the drop-off location. Please contact donation locations directly, not BBP, if you have questions...and understand that while they are accpeting donations, most are also busy companies.

If you want to make a financial donation to the airlift, there are 2 options.

Funds will be used for fuel expenes and given directly to Cruz Roja in Baja, and $ donors will receive an acknowledgement letter for tax purposes.

Check: Payable to "Baja Bush Pilots" with memo "Hurricane Jimena", mail to Baja Bush Pilots, 149 W. Boston, Chandler AZ 85225. If send a large check, please email me (findsiri@yahoo.com)--I'll tally amounts and keep them posted so BBP can budget while waiting on snail mail!

Credit Card: BBP is not set-up for donations online, but can take credit card donations by telephone. Please call 714-453-9997. We'll need your name, cc# and expiration, and mailing addy (for ack. letter).

More info to come as it's available. Thanks to all asking to help!

ecomujeres - 9-10-2009 at 12:33 PM

Here's the direct link to the BPP drop off site list mentioned in Siri's post above:

http://www.bajabushpilots.com/pdf/Baja_Airlift%202%20%5B1%5D...

It will open a PDF file. Scroll down to page two to find the beginning of the list.

Also find updated info about other donation recipients at:

http://www.lasecomujeres.org/Jimena_links.html

rpleger - 9-11-2009 at 07:46 AM

Thank you ecomujeres organizing all the fotos in one place for viewing...

For us stuck in the states and can't get down there right away it's one way to reassure us that our houses are still standing or not... and what we need to do and what to bring to repair them...

Thank You Very Much

wilderone - 9-11-2009 at 10:18 AM

FYI and in follow-up to the American Red Cross issue ("As to the Delegado asking the Red Cross, I'll make you a deal- you contact SanDiego Red Cross and find out exactly what "Mexico needs to request their help" means. Sounds to me like they need Cruz Roja to ask Red Cross, but they likely have some specific protocol"):

I received a call back from from the director of disaster services in the San Diego Am. Red Cross office. He told me that the Mexican Red Cross HQ would need to contact the American Red Cross HQ in Wash. DC to request help. He says there's a standing Memorandum of Understanding, and he says the Mex. Red Cross is a very strong organization.
From this, I would have to assume that the Mex. Red Cross knows what to do if they want to ask for Am. Red Cross assistance.

Sharksbaja - 9-11-2009 at 11:19 AM

Hi Siri, reading this kinda confused me. Did you say the cash will be given to Cruz Roja specifically for gas, thanks.

Quote:

Funds will be used for fuel expenes and given directly to Cruz Roja in Baja, and $ donors will receive an acknowledgement letter for tax purposes.

[Edited on 9-11-2009 by Sharksbaja]

Where BBP $ Donations Go
Siri - 9-11-2009 at 01:07 PM

Sorry that sounded confusing!

BBP's plans (depending, of course, on the amount of $ donated) is to split the $ (by a yet-to-be-determined percentage) into 2 areas:

1. reimbursing a portion of the BBP pilots' fuel expenses;
2. given directly to Cruz Roja in Baja to purchase additional items, as determined by their assessment (in tandem with local govt, BBP, etc).

It is not a collection to cover their fuel, and if there's extra that goes to Cruz Roja. They have decided, because CR is so $-strapped, to donate to them regardless of whether their fuel expenses are covered. Does that make sense?

A few days ago, Jack thought the Mexican govt was going to cover all their fuel expenses, but now it is only for "rescue" missions (where they are evacuating specific stranded people), not for any delivery of donations from the US or the Cruz Roja aid boxes from Wal-Mart Mex.

The fuel expenses for this kind of mission are very high. As I recall from H. John, only a portion of the fuel expenses were recovered through donations (and that included a $5000 charity from a Foundation which lacks funding now) in the end. Nonetheless, in all the posts on the BBP website--of all the pilots coordinating the pick-up sites and ready to fly wherever and whenever BBP and Cruz Roja need--not a one has asked about donations or their fuel expenses. If these guys sat around and waited until the $ was raised to pay for their mission, it would be far too late. I admire them for stepping up to the job that has to be done and hope we can help them recoup some of their expenses. So far, we have 1 credit card donation...so I'm praying there are checks in the mail that we don't know about.

Thanks for asking, and I hope this helps!

1st Donation :-)
djh - 9-11-2009 at 02:10 PM

Thursday Morning, 9-10

(I posted this on the BBP thread also, but many fellow Nomads have been discussing how to help on this thread, so . . . )

I just called and spoke with Siri, who is processing credit card donations for BBP. Very friendly, quick, and easy process.

Siri said I was the first donation she'd accepted for BBP.

I love the work these folks do, and I encourage any of my Nomad Amigos who are able and willing, to give Siri a call at 714-453-9997 and make a donation.

Best,
djh

capt. mike - 9-11-2009 at 03:14 PM

there was little in the way of reimbursement to BBP relief pilots during H. John. All went in knowing full well the avgas expense would be theirs up front and no guarantee of any contribution save what each pilot might be able to conjur up separately thru solicitations for donations.

Most likely some advantaged themselves a bit with a charity write -off on their fed taxes - but unless you're in a high bracket it's a small % of the outlay - they are doing it because they are financially able and want to help.
what a great group - many here may not know it but the BBP flew SEVERAL groups of sorties over a few weeks to LA. for Katrina relief - man that's a long haul from PHX and CA but they did it sans fuel reimbursements. i personally know some of the guys who flew their planes to New Orleans as soon as you could land anywhere close. they spent thousands of their own $$s, a few had their companies (self owned and otherwise) contribute to cover some.

Gas is only about 1/2 to 1/3 of the cost per hour to ply the skies depending on how you want to account for it... the neat thing about helping by air is the speed at which you can respond, be there in a few hours with at least SOME provisions vs. driving a day or more from the border even tho yes you can haul, more in a truck or semi.

we lost 2 very fine people who had an unfortunate accident in their plane while flying with BBP relief during John, they were my neighbors for a while and are missed by all who knew them in Mulege. I hope all the volunteers, ground or air, stay safe.

1-Hr Radio Program re: Jimena Relief--TODAY (SUNDAY) 1PM PACIFIC
Siri - 9-13-2009 at 09:28 AM

Alex Plewniak (of NORRA-National Off Road Racing Association) is dedicating a 1-hour So Cal radio slot (it is normally an off road racing program) today to talking about Hurricane Jimena relief efforts--including those of the off-road racing community and the Baja Bush Pilots.

TODAY (SUNDAY 13TH) 1-2PM PACIFIC TIME
KCBQ--1170AM
http://kcbq.townhall.com

Tune in or log on for the live webstream...

Thanks to Alex, NORRA and the off-road racers!

Report from Mulege
EngineerMike - 9-14-2009 at 06:46 PM

Just back from Mulege, Monday, 14th @ 5:00p.m.; here is what I found.

Executive Summary
1) Best civil prep for a disaster I have ever witnessed in MX, both civilian & govt. Fabulous response from electric co, telco, and road crews. Military not as much in town as after John & Julio.
2) Worst disaster in memory of Mulege depite prep due to amount of rain coupled w/high wind. Damages reported here on Nomad adequately describe the reality & extent so I won't repeat, tho the reality will give you a physical reaction photos and description cannot.
3) Donations of Stuff- If you have collected clothing or it is on its way, finish that & handle transmittal to affected areas, as need should be met w/what's in the stream (remember I said get what's in process to Mulege or SR, your choice). Mulege will be send off port for rancheros after town needs are met; drop @ Sta.Rosalia for that area. Otherwise switch to collecting bed linens & towels which are needed. Mulege & probably SR can use all the tarps we can send; keep sending them every trip down. Huge need will be mattresses; see below for transport idea. In-kind food in "care-pack" packing can be left w/Saul Davis; more below. Also Saul can take a dollar or peso donation and will assemble food packets.
4) Micro-Lending: Tienda owners of your choice need working capital; if they have a credit book you can make a deposit on your account and take it out over time in trade.
5) Biggest need will be overcoming long term economic drain from lost tourism, i.e. norte-americanos who will quit Mulege.
6) Mulege hotels full for forseeable future; call for latest on cancellations.
7) For donation trips- leave border early to make Guerrero Negro same eve, next day in SR &/or Mulege to drop donations & have lunch/shop/see-sights, then down to Loreto or back to GN depending on your agenda; this makes for good sleeping conditions (its what I did except one night in M.).
8) Malarrimo's has 10% discount on rooms for Muleginos or donation runs, 5% in restaurant (Enrique has place in Mulege also got wrecked).
9) The Desert Show is in full bloom.
10) Aduana (Customs & Border Crossing)- long story, see below, last paragraph.

The Details:
Take some donations down as soon as you can, and see the Desert Show. It starts 1 hour south of Guerrero Negro, and its a lollapalooza!! Flowers out already, and the green is just hitting its stride. If you enjoy this aspect of the Penninsula, now is your opportunity.

If you are travelling in an RV w/a bed, throw in an extra mattress, and drop it off in Mulege or SR on the way. You will sleep a wee bit high for the first part of the trip, but walk tall the whole time. email me for current info on where to drop the mattress- mike@fleming.cc

Governor was in Mulege Saturday p.m. for town meeting; basically explained what relief is officially in process. But no word on substantial program for relief, mostly clean up and service restoration. No word or action on new matresses or stoves like last flood(s). Power still out to Loma Azul (and maybe Serenidad), water still out to L.Azul & all of south side of river when i left yesterday late. Power will be on all over w/in few days, water to south side & L.Azul will take coupla weeks. Folks starting to work gas power washing by use of portable tanks. New meters in place on south side to end of Oasis when I left. Cell phones out sometimes due to work in telco office (trunk lines feed cell calls into land service).

Mud is mostly sand in some areas where flow rate was high, mostly soft-squishy-biologically-active type in areas where flow was slowed (like inside houses); mold & mosquitos so take repellent & be prepared for the smell.

Delegado reports proposal to redline the arroyo "flood" area against future building, and to move the locals out of the zone w/some housing assistance. Note "proposal." This goes to Claderon for action w/in 15-20 days; no way to predict outcome. Might affect tourist zone, might not, might not affect anything.

Some gringos proposing condemnation of tourist home areas (Orchard, Oasis, etc. areas along river) for purchase by govt @ "Fair Market Value" and govt leaning on insurance co.'s to pay up (they have not all paid per their contracts in past), and then arranging purchase of comparable land acceptable to gringos in the vicinity where new tourist zone would go. This to be paid by MX govt and maybe (w/involvement of Obama & US ambassador) US govt. Just reporting what's up folks, don't slay the messenger, & I'm not in on this.

Lots of talk w/in the limited ex-pat community on hand of quitting Mulege & MX. Age plays a definite part in this talk, as many maintain an assumption that eventually they will need to permanently return to the US or Canada, and this is as good a time as any. Not many gringos in town.

Gringos showing up at their homes soon will be mobbed by folks looking for work. Its the end of a long, (economically) dry summer. Don't know how long the labor surplus will go on. Cliff Taylor currently has a payroll of 19; I believe that's 8 more than usual these days.

Saul's, Casa Yee, and ALBA's are all closed in Mulege for cleaning. Food inventory below the flood line is condemned by the health dept. Store owners operate on "working capital" that includes inventory. If your favorite tienda owner (any kind of tienda or reataurant) is in dires straights, and keeps a credit book of those who took goods and promised to pay, you can make a quick and very effective Micro-Credit "loan" by giving the owner some funds to show on deposit on your account. then you can sign for goods at a later date, thereby getting repaid for the advance. This hits the tienda owner right in the sweet spot- he can restock, maybe turn the inventory over a few times and make a buck or two, and then you get your money back in a nearly painless fashion. Limited only by how much you feel confident in leaving on advance. Lets keep our favorite businesses moving.

Roads are all passable. Trucks & busses are rolling. Squashed steel cubes still leaving Baja on flatbeds; otherwise truck traffic is CFE, TelMex, earthmoving equip, and box trucks to/from La Paz & Cabo. Almost zero tourists on the road.

Customs & Border issues for donations:
Proper donation paperwork to avoid paying ~15% duty consists of paperwork for both ends- @ the border & @ the recipient agency of the donation (not the italics).
You are entitled to bring any (legal) gifts to your friends in Mexico, but must pay duty on that merchandise. Donations are things that go to a donation "conduit" agency, like the State, Municipio, Pueblo, etc. And they have to acknowledge the donation. Without both ends, you are transporting goods, and have to pay duty for amounts above the personal exemption ($75 per person travelling in your car).

Mulege Rotary and the Mulege Bomberos were working yesterday on letters to be posted on the internet & printed by donors to show at the border. The author, an attorney, was on our Scholarship Program and now clerks for the Mexico Supreme Court in Mex.City, and he has some expertise in "Commercio Exterior." This is coupled w/the Delegado's contact (hopefully today) with the Governor's Office of International Relations which produces donation acceptance receipts for the Governor. The Gov's OIR is to interface w/Aduana and attempt to get an official exemption for donation goods crossing the border bound for Municipio of Mulege (basically anywhere in the County). I heard 3 reports of folks crossing at TJ (2 @ San Ysidro, one @ Otay) w/out paying duty on the donations. There may be an unofficial policy in play now. Carlos Milon put up an internet page on Jimena and will post the letters (they will be in Spanish, and in *.JPG and/or *.PDF format so anybody can print them). Stay tuned here on Nomad for more on the above. I'll follow up w/Bomberos & Rotary and inform the readership.

OK, I've been at the computer for more than one dance, and nothing but water to drink. Time for a frosty one.

DENNIS - 9-14-2009 at 06:49 PM

Great. Glad to hear it, Mike. How's Sta. Rosalia doing? Have you heard?
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