BajaNomad - BC and BCS COVID-19 Active Cases

I use Uber a lot out here. Used it all through the pandemic.

Definitely wore a mask until we had vaccines. Now just ask if the driver if they care if we wear a mask. 90% say it's fine not to wear one. Of that 90%, 70-80% take theirs off. 20-30% wear one.

I don't understand how ppl have gonna their identities tied to having a mask. They will keep wearing them well after the govt. tells them they don't have to.

surabi - 2-26-2022 at 02:04 PM

What does it matter whether the driver cares or not?

Who has their "identities tied to a mask"? That's some conservative nonsense based on nothing.

And I thought you don' t like the govt. telling you what to do. So if someone chooses to keep themselves and others safe by continuing to wear a mask in public places because in their judgement it is still a good idea, why would you find that something to demean? And what business is it of yours?

surabi - 2-26-2022 at 02:16 PM

I noticed in La Paz pretty much everyone wore them constantly even when driving alone in cars and after they had gone to green level.

You have no idea why someone is driving alone with a mask on, so there is no basis on which to judge them for it. For all you know, they just had someone in their vehicle who is unvaxed and refuses to wear a mask, or may be about to pick someone up. Or the driver may have mild symptoms and not want to expose the person they just dropped off or are about to pick up. Perhaps they share the vehicle with others and have all agreed to wear a mask whole driving so as to keep the vehicle free of possible contamination.

I put on my mask when approaching a stop light where a bunch of maskless people trying to sell ypu something or wash your windshield run up to your open window.

[Edited on 2-26-2022 by surabi]

[Edited on 2-26-2022 by surabi]

surabi - 2-26-2022 at 02:32 PM

FL has been mask optional for 1.5yrs.

Cloth masks are absolutely worthless

Hogwash. "Cloth mask" is a catch-all term that can mean anything from a thin cotton bandana to a triple layer mask made of tightly woven fabrics. Proper cloth masks have been proven on many studies to provide good protection from the virus. Not 100%, but far from "worthless".

And Florida's no mask policies have resulted in the 3rd highest number of infections of any US state. Their death rate is nothing to brag about, either.

[Edited on 2-26-2022 by surabi]

JZ - 2-26-2022 at 05:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

If the driver wants us to wear a mask, we do. That's why it matters what the driver's preference is.

Come on little lady, you know I don't care at all if ppl wear masks, as long as they don't overly force it on others. Getting in someone's car and being asked to wear a mask is very reasonable.

I'm just saying some people have made it part of their identity. It's fine, but weird.

surabi - 2-26-2022 at 06:32 PM

I'm just saying some people have made it part of their identity. It's fine, but weird.

Which people? You can say something endlessly, but that doesn't mean it has a shred of truth.

And addressing women as "little lady" is misogynistic.

JZ - 2-26-2022 at 07:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

I'm just saying some people have made it part of their identity. It's fine, but weird.

Which people? You can say something endlessly, but that doesn't mean it has a shred of truth.

And addressing women as "little lady" is misogynistic.

My apologies. It won't it again.

[Edited on 2-27-2022 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 2-26-2022 at 09:08 PM

I'm just saying some people have made it part of their identity. It's fine, but weird.

What is weird is you people getting your panties in a bunch over masks, convinced you have lost your civil liberties, etc.

Wearing a mask in public spaces is so simple and easy, I just don’t see what your objection is. It’s no more difficult than obeying rules to wear clothes in public, keep your shoes on, don’t walk into a restaurant without a shirt, etc.

If the mask helps even a little bit in maintaining public health, then just wear the flocking mask without complaining! It is such a minor thing!

You anti-mask zealots are the biggest bunch of snowflake crybabies I have ever seen!

[Edited on 2-27-2022 by mtgoat666]

JZ - 2-26-2022 at 11:20 PM

I'm just saying some people have made it part of their identity. It's fine, but weird.

Sorry bud, human beings weren't meant to cover their faces. Facial expressions are a very important aspect of our existence.

If you want to wear a mask in a car all alone 500 miles from the population, go for it.

Not the world I want my kids to grow up in.

Lee - 2-27-2022 at 10:47 AM

Sorry bud, human beings weren't meant to cover their faces. Facial expressions are a very important aspect of our existence.

Japanese are human and have been wearing masks for hundreds of years. Facial expressions are important, you're right about that. If we lived in Japan, I doubt anyone would be complaining about masks. Complainers might be viewed as dolts.

CDC never said throw out the masks. They said ppl can ease off wearing them. I think masks are here to stay. Until things settle and are eradicated, that's how it is.

Things are different in Florida and Texas. California is the wrong state for you JZ. Think you know that.

JDCanuck - 2-27-2022 at 11:09 AM

So I assume since we are now talking about masks, they are still mandatory in shared indoor spaces in La Paz despite going to green level? Is this correct? What are the present rules in outdoor areas? Mandatory if not enough space between people? Beaches fully opened?

JDCanuck - 2-27-2022 at 11:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

So I assume since we are now talking about masks, they are still mandatory in shared indoor spaces in La Paz despite going to green level? Is this correct? What are the present rules in outdoor areas? Mandatory if not enough space between people? Beaches fully opened?

don't know about baja sur but up here we went to green on monday and masks are still required indoors
https://ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=67124&fbclid=I...

its kind of unclear just where they're referring to as "baja california" I think?

[Edited on 2-27-2022 by Don Pisto]

Thanks Don Pisto: As my Spanish is essentially non-existent I attempted to read what it stated on masks, but it kinda looked to me like they were talking about schools in that paragraph where they mentioned cubrebocas?

surfhat - 2-27-2022 at 11:49 AM

Who freaking cares what the recent rules are?

Masking up has always been about showing you care about others.

Not wearing masks shows who you choose to be.

I know which side I want to be known for. It is so easy to show you care about others.

While the pandemic is currently moving to the endemic stage, being fully vaccinated and boostered, and wearing masks in public should be the least we do for our Baja friends.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda, will be judged later when history has its say, sit always does.

The shortsighted, if they live long enough may learn something, or not. Some will not learn a thing. We have a few here that proudly espouse a viewpoint that will not serve them well in the years ahead. They however will persist unabated. It is their right.

It is the rest ours right to call bs on them every time and I appreciate you Nomads who call them out every time. It is so deserved. The unabashed hypocrisy continues to astound me. The cult of personality knows no bounds.

Don Pisto - 2-27-2022 at 11:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

yeah I took it down I believe this speaks of Baja "norte" and not the area you're inquiring about and it would only lead to an argument....you know how they roll here

JZ - 2-27-2022 at 01:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surfhat

Who freaking cares what the recent rules are?

Masking up has always been about showing you care about others.

Not wearing masks shows who you choose to be.

I know which side I want to be known for. It is so easy to show you care about others.

While the pandemic is currently moving to the endemic stage, being fully vaccinated and boostered, and wearing masks in public should be the least we do for our Baja friends.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda, will be judged later when history has its say, sit always does.

The shortsighted, if they live long enough may learn something, or not. Some will not learn a thing. We have a few here that proudly espouse a viewpoint that will not serve them well in the years ahead. They however will persist unabated. It is their right.

It is the rest ours right to call bs on them every time and I appreciate you Nomads who call them out every time. It is so deserved. The unabashed hypocrisy continues to astound me. The cult of personality knows no bounds.

Nothing is black and white. Everything should have a societal risk/benefit analysis applied to it.

If we didn't, we wouldn't be driving cars, which kill and severely injured many.

Wearing masks outside has very little value, unless in a very crowded space. But yet some governments mandated it. In spite of the science.

The vast majority of kids are at no risk to Covid and are very low spreaders. Yet, some governments are forcing them to wear masks for 8 hours a day despite the numerous studies saying masks negatively impact childhood development.

In some regards, ppl at risk can be selfish by demanding others to wear masks. More so in some circumstances, than others.

AKgringo - 2-27-2022 at 02:23 PM

With falling rates of positive tests, far fewer hospitalized cases, and relatively high vaccination rates in Nevada County, the school board made mask wearing in our local high school 'optional'.

The school closed down when over 40% of the teachers called in sick!

JDCanuck - 2-27-2022 at 04:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

The school closed down when over 40% of the teachers called in sick!

Man...that's a lot of sick teachers at one time, was this because of a huge spike in Omicron? We've never seen anything close to that here. Service workers in restaurants never ever came close to that rate.

oh...gotcha...they booked off sick so the school had to shut down. Sorta an informal strike to get a paid vacation rather than give up wages.

[Edited on 2-28-2022 by JDCanuck]

Marty Mateo - 2-27-2022 at 07:15 PM

“ people at risk can be selfish by demanding others to wear masks “

That has to be one of the most narcissistic statements and on top of your misogynistic “little lady “ insult just proves that you are a sad little keyboard troll. It’s stunning just how far some peoples heads are up there backside that they fixate on the masks as some kind of trauma for children yet can’t let go of their gun fetishizes which cause schools to have active shooter drills. Why don’t you apply your “risk/benefit analysis “ to your delusional U.S. beliefs that more guns equals a safer society. Hopefully we take what we’ve learned over the last 2 years and wear masks during flu and when we are feeling sick . The Canadian women’s hockey team beat Russia 6 to 1 all while wearing masks, no toddler like tantrums or whining from them

surabi - 2-27-2022 at 07:50 PM

Human beings are biologically tribal, like all mammals. What they were "meant" to do is behave in a way that ensures the survival of the pack. If that means wearing masks not to spread a highly contagious disease, that is what members of a group that wants to survive does. It's the capitalist, every man for himself attitude and behavior that is the aberration and not how human beings were "meant" to behave.

Driving alone with a mask on 500 miles from civization? Where on earth do you come up with these absurd scenarios? And why? All they do is make you look stupid.

mtgoat666 - 2-27-2022 at 08:18 PM

ppl at risk can be selfish by demanding others to wear masks.

Shorty mcjizzy:
Now i understand why your grandparents have been avoiding you during this pandemic!

Have you noticed that your employees no longer come to the office? Why would they want to come to an office run by someone like you who considers public health and expectations of manners and common courtesy to be selfish?

[Edited on 2-28-2022 by mtgoat666]

Alm - 2-28-2022 at 01:31 PM

Anti-science protests. Lack of knowledge and/or lower than average IQ, coupled with ego-centrism. I don't even bother answering to anti-masking, anti-vaxing and similar statements anymore. There is no substance there, only arguments of the "I don't want" kind.

gnukid - 2-28-2022 at 06:25 PM

Eugenicists, globalists, racists, genocidal, ignorant, technologist, obsessed with genetic modification, societal control, surveillance, enslavement, exploitation, oppression.

Hard to imagine what these people believe or why they are obsessed with pursuing an agenda to cause intentional harm through forced injections. They will eventually be held accountable, everyone of them.

JZ - 2-28-2022 at 07:43 PM

Anti-science protests. Lack of knowledge and/or lower than average IQ, coupled with ego-centrism. I don't even bother answering to anti-masking, anti-vaxing and similar statements anymore. There is no substance there, only arguments of the "I don't want" kind.

Look a couple pages back. 10 states just decided to "not follow the science" (i.e. guidance from the CDC). The White House is now making Covid decisions based on polling data.

The "science" has been all over the map.

Don't conflate "anti-mandate" with "anti-vax." Very few ppl are anti-vax. For example, only 25% of parents have gotten their young childred vaccinated. Are you gonna call them anti-vaxxers?

Covid is not black and white. The ppl who dig in on one side aren't doing anyone any good.

John Harper - 3-1-2022 at 05:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Marty Mateo

It’s stunning just how far some peoples heads are up there backside that they fixate on the masks as some kind of trauma for children yet can’t let go of their gun fetishizes which cause schools to have active shooter drills. Why don’t you apply your “risk/benefit analysis “ to your delusional U.S. beliefs that more guns equals a safer society.

One of the better arguments I've read. As a teacher, and a firearms owner.

John

pacificobob - 3-1-2022 at 07:19 AM

Well said Marty. The delusion fueled logic derailment is stunning. I feel second hand embarrassment for those ignorant fooks.

JDCanuck - 3-10-2022 at 07:27 AM

Looks like not only has BCS gone green, but cases are continuing to fall off rapidly. Any further reductions in restraints in La Paz noticed locally, or are all the mask and temperature testing requirements still in force?

https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/english/

JZ - 3-10-2022 at 09:12 AM

Masks are finally not required in LA. One of the last hold outs.

Maybe 30-40% wear them optionally.

[Edited on 3-10-2022 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 3-10-2022 at 09:18 AM

Thanks JZ, Perhaps we can finally get back to a more normal life again. When I was last in La Paz in October, although they were in green level, masks were still mandatory and large stores checked temps at entry, some beach areas were still closed to public. Just wondering if that has changed down there as well?

pauldavidmena - 3-10-2022 at 10:27 AM

Thanks JZ, Perhaps we can finally get back to a more normal life again. When I was last in La Paz in October, although they were in green level, masks were still mandatory and large stores checked temps at entry, some beach areas were still closed to public. Just wondering if that has changed down there as well?

Masks were mandatory when I was in Todos Santos in February, and I would put compliance at close to 100%. At the time, BCS was at level "yellow". I'm not sure what the situation is one month later.

Purdyd - 3-10-2022 at 10:29 AM

I was just in Los Barriles early March. Masks were still required? In stores.

Our shuttle driver said people in Mexico were glad to be vaccinated. I suppose a mild dig at their neighbors to the north.

JDCanuck - 3-10-2022 at 07:22 PM

Mandatory masks will likely be the last thing to be dropped there from what we saw in October. We here in BC Canada are dropping them in almost all situations tonight, as well as vaccination passports as of Apr 8, so perhaps we are a bit ahead of Baja on the decline trajectory. Spring Break return to schools apparently to be decided yet.

JZ - 3-10-2022 at 07:24 PM

Spring Break return to schools apparently to be decided yet.

My kid is down in the Dominican Republic right now with his college friends. They flew down from Michigan. No Spring break restrictions by the colleges this year. Last year they didn't give a week off.

He said there are 2,000 kids at just his resort. Sounds like lots of debauchery and no Covid concerns.

The world has definitely moved on, and that's an awesome thing to say.

[Edited on 3-11-2022 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 3-10-2022 at 08:12 PM

Spring Break

No Spring break restrictions by the colleges this year. …lots of debauchery and no Covid concerns.

The world has definitely moved on, and that's an awesome thing to say.

Sounds like a Petri dish for a new variant to develop and spread anew…

Funny what kids do for spring break now. Many moons ago I spent all my spring breaks doing road trips to climb or ski, I never even knew drinking-to-blackout-drunk-for-a-week-on-the-beach was a thing.

Alm - 3-11-2022 at 05:46 PM

Sounds like a Petri dish for a new variant to develop and spread anew…

Here in Canada case numbers and hospitalizations have dropped off that horrible peak of midwinter and stabilized at the level 10 times higher than during the 1st wave. In BCS it's pretty much the same - as high as during the 1st wave.

JDCanuck - 3-12-2022 at 12:40 PM

The good news being the Case Fatality Rates are the lowest ever, the patients admitted to hospitals for Covid has plummeted and much milder asymptomatic cases are far higher. Either by better treatment after exposure or the milder symptoms, we seem to be exiting the Pandemic stage and entering a new way of dealing with it long term.
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
This is a few days old and was a huge drop from the previous update, so the trend seems to be the same in BCS, where everyone i know personally that contracted Omicron had flu like symptoms and recovered quickly within a few days.
https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/english/

[Edited on 3-12-2022 by JDCanuck]

JDCanuck - 3-12-2022 at 01:05 PM

The best part is, I am again able to visit with (and even hug) my kids and grand kids, and visit elderly senior friends and relatives in the care homes again in their final months on this earth. Health care workers and teachers previously laid off have been asked to return to their jobs and the threatened fines for the unvaccinated were never established. What a difference 3 weeks has made.

Alm - 3-12-2022 at 06:50 PM

JDCanuck, hospitalizations in Canada have plummeted compared to Christmas when healthcare was on the brink of collapse. Now they are "only" 10 times higher than during the 1st wave.

It is unlikely that drop in hospitalizations was caused by "better treatment after exposure or the milder symptoms". There is no treatment for asymptomatic cases in Canada, we don't have Evushield. Regeneron is prescribed to high-risk patients with mild to moderate symptoms and even with these limitations the drug is in a severe shortage.

Case fatality has been dropping since the 1st wave. There are few possible reasons though none could be interpreted as "exiting the Pandemic stage", IMO. Mostly this has to do with the in-patient treatment. They now know better how to not let you die when you got severe symptoms and/if you managed getting to a decent hospital in time.

JZ - 3-12-2022 at 07:14 PM

JDCanuck, hospitalizations in Canada have plummeted compared to Christmas when healthcare was on the brink of collapse. Now they are "only" 10 times higher than during the 1st wave.

It is unlikely that drop in hospitalizations was caused by "better treatment after exposure or the milder symptoms". There is no treatment for asymptomatic cases in Canada, we don't have Evushield. Regeneron is prescribed to high-risk patients with mild to moderate symptoms and even with these limitations the drug is in a severe shortage.

Case fatality has been dropping since the 1st wave. There are few possible reasons though none could be interpreted as "exiting the Pandemic stage", IMO. Mostly this has to do with the in-patient treatment. They now know better how to not let you die when you got severe symptoms and/if you managed getting to a decent hospital in time.

Post some actual stats. Hard to believe any of this is true.

You went on a rant 3-4 years ago that BoLA had rocks in the beans they sold in the markets. So I'm taking these comments with a big grain of slaw.

JDCanuck - 3-12-2022 at 08:10 PM

Hi Alm: Which part of Canada would you be looking at? Our cases, deaths and hospitalizations due to Covid are way way down and so our very cautious health leaders have removed almost all mandates, with more yet to disappear following spring break(assuming there is no reversal of this very positive trend). I thought we were one of the last in Canada to relax these mandates?

As to this: "JDCanuck, hospitalizations in Canada have plummeted compared to Christmas when healthcare was on the brink of collapse. Now they are "only" 10 times higher than during the 1st wave."
They have finally announced they are planning on reversing the decades long reduction in beds per capita and opening up more nurse training spots:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/831668/density-of-hospit...

[Edited on 3-13-2022 by JDCanuck]

mtgoat666 - 3-13-2022 at 07:56 AM

...with Triple Jabbed now accounting for 8 in every 10 Covid-19 Deaths in England

Credibility check: I skimmed over that report and found nothing to support that astounding allegation.

Please quote the part that supports that allegation. Or explain how you got to that conclusion.

Have you not learned by now? Oldkid Paul is a covid-denier who spouts lies and misinformation about covid. Nothing Paul Says has a shred of truth. Hard to figure out the motivation of people like Paul - they purposefully make up lies about covid out of some weird misguided belief that lieing is justified by their their politics.

gnukid - 3-13-2022 at 08:11 AM

...with Triple Jabbed now accounting for 8 in every 10 Covid-19 Deaths in England

Credibility check: I skimmed over that report and found nothing to support that astounding allegation.

Please quote the part that supports that allegation. Or explain how you got to that conclusion.

Do you own reading, research and make up your own mind.

See page 43, 44 table 12

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Table 10 of the report shows the number of Covid-19 cases by vaccination status in England, and it confirms the vast majority were recorded among the triple vaccinated population.

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Table 11 of the report shows the number of Covid-19 hospitalisations by vaccination status in England, and it again confirms the vast majority were recorded among the triple vaccinated population.

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Table 12 of the report shows the number of Covid-19 deaths by vaccination status in England, and it yet again confirms the vast majority were recorded among the triple vaccinated population, this time by an extremely concerning amount.

[Edited on 3-16-2022 by gnukid]

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Purdyd - 3-13-2022 at 09:20 AM

...with Triple Jabbed now

Do you own reading, research and make up your own mind.

See page 43, 44 table 12

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

[Edited on 3-13-2022 by gnukid]

table 12a

18-29 year olds 2 people died who had 3 doses, 10 total

that is 2 out of 10

When you get to 80+ 1854 died out of 2491 7.44 out of 10

footnote 1.

Quote:

In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and
deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective.

This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may
also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.

from figure 3 a,b,c of the population 80+ 93% roughly have had one dose and roughly 90% have had two doses.

So 9 out of 10

so if the vaccine was doing nothing you would expect 9 out of 10 people to be dying with 3 doses

And then of course are you truly comparing like populations?

in other words is the 10% of 80+ in the UK the same as the 90% of the population with 3 doses?

You could surmise those most at risk have a higher uptake in vaccination.

In fact from Table 5. Vaccine uptake in people identified as immunosuppressed in England

is 87.5% for three doses, much higher than the general population

JDCanuck - 3-13-2022 at 10:27 AM

Lencho and Purdyd: Thanks for posting those figures. What I get from them is we should definitely be focused on supplying vaccines to the highest at risk age groups globally if our intent is to save as many lives from early deaths as possible.
If they and their doctors decide their underlying conditions indicate they should avoid any particular vaccines, that too should be their choice. This is the case with the only person I know personally that has chosen NOT to take the vaccines. I'm on the side of that risk is one they should make in consultation with their trusted doctor and should not be mandated against their will.
Thankfully, it appears that is where we are now headed.

mtgoat666 - 3-13-2022 at 10:44 AM

I'm on the side of that risk is one they should make in consultation with their trusted doctor and should not be mandated against their will.
Thankfully, it appears that is where we are now headed.

People are very poor evaluators of personal risk. I know many ant-vaxxers that have not taken the jab because they perceive a risk. These same people are smokers, fat, sedentary, have unhealthy diet — all much worse risk factors for disabling disease and early death.

Covid just re-proved one thing: a lot of people are really, really, really stupid!

[Edited on 3-13-2022 by mtgoat666]

pauldavidmena - 3-13-2022 at 11:27 AM

I'm on the side of that risk is one they should make in consultation with their trusted doctor and should not be mandated against their will.
Thankfully, it appears that is where we are now headed.

There is plenty of willful ignorance on the part of the unvaxed, but I'd hesitate to label it stupidity in all cases. My oldest son didn't get vaccinated because he had heard (not from me) that the vaccines could cause infertility, even though the CDC guidelines state the exact opposite - that couples planning to have children should absolutely be vaccinated. Inevitably he contracted COVID in early December - most likely the Omicron variant. Athletic and healthy at age 36 his symptoms were mild with one exception: his sense of taste and smell have been seriously compromised. Working in the food preparation business, this is a big deal.

As for mandates, one argument in their favor is that people left to their own devices have a tendency to make baffling decisions. My youngest son's employer introduced a mandate and he resigned rather than getting the jab, claiming "they forced me to resign". No they didn't! They gave him a clear path to retaining his job. And yes, he ended up with COVID as well. While I'm glad both sons recovered, I really wish they had taken the steps to prevent infection altogether, especially since they may have passed the virus on to others.

pacificobob - 3-13-2022 at 11:34 AM

It hard to overestimate the amount willful ignorance present in our culture.
IQ45 totally understands and uses it to his advantage.
"I love the poorly educated "

JZ - 3-13-2022 at 11:41 AM

Vaccine good. Mandates bad.

mtgoat666 - 3-13-2022 at 03:02 PM

Now that y’all are celebrating low covid by getting back to licking door knobs, heavy panting in crowded spaces, and care-free swapping out of germs, what is your plan for potential resurgence of covid as new variant?

Lee - 3-13-2022 at 04:59 PM

Vaccine good. Mandates bad.

Mandates aren't bad except for people who think they are sacrificing freedom by having to wear one.

Mandates can be good or bad. Have you thought about why the pandemic is subsiding? Could it be because of masks and mandates.

JZ - 3-13-2022 at 05:14 PM

Vaccines don't stop the spread of covid. They protect from serious illness. The govt. played pretty lose and fast with this fact.

Vaccines should never have been forced on the young and healthy.

Very few ppl vaccinated their young kids (5-11 yo's). Why is that? Are they anti-vaxxers? Likely because they know they weren't at risk and are low spreaders. I'm sure many also believe natural immunity is better in the long term.

The virus is subsiding because so many ppl got it and the affects of it are much less severe. Much closer to the flu or a cold, especially if ppl are vaxxed and/or healthy. A lot of ppl predicted in December that this is exactly what would happen, despite the media being in a tissy over case counts.

[Edited on 3-14-2022 by JZ]

Lee - 3-13-2022 at 05:31 PM

Vaccines don't stop the spread of covid. They protect from serious illness. The govt. played pretty lose and fast with this fact.

[Don't believe that's true. Even if you post info from med journals or where ever you get your info. As for fast and loose, current admin has played catch up after the last disastrous admin!]

Vaccines should never have been forced on the young and healthy.

Very few ppl vaccinated their young kids (5-11 yo's). Why is that? Are they anti-vaxxers? Likely because they know they weren't at risk and are low spreaders. I'm sure many also believe natural immunity is better in the long term.

[You see a problem witht vaxxing kids. I DON'T! Are these parents anti-vaxxers? Looks like that to me. Parents know kids weren't at risk and low spreaders? BS. Generally, around masks, mandates, restrictions, parents don't know shlt. Esp. those parents who think vax makes your head magnetic.]

The virus is subsiding because so many ppl got it and the affects of it are much less severe. Much closer to the flu or a cold, especially if ppl are vaxxed and/or healthy.

[Virus is subsiding BECAUSE of the mandates, masks, and vax. More people would have died without these restrictions. Many people believe covid is a conspiracy created by the gov't. You prob believe that too.]

JZ - 3-13-2022 at 05:48 PM

[You see a problem witht vaxxing kids. I DON'T! Are these parents anti-vaxxers? Looks like that to me. Parents know kids weren't at risk and low spreaders? BS. Generally, around masks, mandates, restrictions, parents don't know shlt. Esp. those parents who think vax makes your head magnetic.]

Smh. Some of you Boomers have lost your minds. And this take is truly against the science.

I seriously doubt that a young man Lee would have got a jab for his 5 yo.

But even if you would, you wouldn't try to force that choice on another parent.

[Edited on 3-15-2022 by JZ]

Alm - 3-13-2022 at 06:54 PM

Hi Alm: Which part of Canada would you be looking at? Our cases, deaths and hospitalizations due to Covid are way way down

Hi, JDCanuck. I'm looking at British Columbia - where you also are, as I recall. Cases are way down compared to Christmas. They are way higher than in 2020 and so are hospitalizations. Now we have ~300 cases per day, was 60/day in March-April 2020. Hospitalizations tend to mirror daily cases number with a delay. Data: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989...

If you're on the Vancouver Island, it was 5-6/daily in March-April 2020, now 40-50. Click on the icon in the top right next to the graphs to zoom in.

[Edited on 3-14-2022 by Alm]

Lee - 3-13-2022 at 09:41 PM

I seriously doubt that a young man Lee would have got a jab for his 5 yo.

But even if you would, don't try to force that choice on another parent.

Can't answer that with certainty. If I were a single parent, no question, yes. With my wife in the picture, I'd defer to her. She's smarter than me.

I would err on the side that is better safe than sorry. I don't consider the vax as a problem for anyone, adults or kids.

Mandates aren't choices. Restrictions are for a common good, not everyone will be happy and that's the nature of this country.

I think the people have spoken. The stupid people have problems with that. Tough.

Do some research you'll see Boomers are leading the pack. Certainly over the Lost Gen, uh, that would be Gen X. Ha Ha.

JDCanuck - 3-13-2022 at 10:18 PM

Thanks Alm...I see we have different dates as reference points for the various waves. I used Nov 14/20 to Feb 7 2021 peak to trough on wave 1. Indicated case fatality rates or better yet infection fatality rates however are a better measure of community immunity and required responses IMHO. When they stop frequent testing as they have recently, even case fatality rates give a poor indication.
Cheers!

Purdyd - 3-14-2022 at 08:16 AM

Whether vaccines slow or stop the spread of the virus is not so cut and dry and it can depend on which variant.

From the uk report above

Quote:

Studies have now reported on vaccine effectiveness against infection in healthcare workers, care home residents and the general population with the Alpha and Delta variants (12, 13, 14, 15). Generally estimates are similar to or slightly lower than vaccine effectiveness estimates against symptomatic disease and there is evidence of significant waning in protection against infection over time. Estimates for vaccine effectiveness against infection with the Omicron variant are not yet available.

In California https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/

Quote:

From February 14, 2022 to February 20, 2022, unvaccinated people were 5.4 times more likely to get COVID-19 than people who received their booster dose.

Although that could suffer from the same population bias you se e in other raw data.

Certainly we have seen a decrease in hospitalizations with vaccines and now you get into the shared good.

I’m not happy about mandates and in an ideal world people would do the right thing for everyone without one.

But I’m not sure how the idea of personal freedom trumps doing something that will help other people.

Vaccination of the very young I agree seems like very low reward for risk.

I’ve seen some otherwise healthy adults hit hard by Covid.

I agree the impact of Covid is subsiding because we are building up immunity through transmission and vaccination.

Media, mainstream and none, will always tell you the sky is falling.

What will be interesting to watch is how countries like New Zealand, and China fare as they open up.

Is Covid evolving to a less severe disease or are we simply building up immunity.

So will China be like American Samoa which completely isolated during the Spanish flu and escaped the deadly version?

And here is a chance to arm chair quarterback the future.

Are we really done with Covid?

Historically we’ve had something crop up every six months or so.

What do we do now?

[Edited on 3-17-2022 by Purdyd]

Alm - 3-14-2022 at 04:45 PM

Thanks Alm...I see we have different dates as reference points for the various waves. I used Nov 14/20 to Feb 7 2021 peak to trough on wave 1. Indicated case fatality rates or better yet infection fatality rates however are a better measure of community immunity and required responses IMHO. When they stop frequent testing as they have recently, even case fatality rates give a poor indication.
Cheers!

How can there be different dates for a peak of the same wave?

. I referred to the "1st" wave, as mentioned. It peaked in March-April 2020 at ~60 cases/day with ~60 hospitalizations. Then it dropped to 10 cases and they lifted the lockdown.

Now we have 300 cases/day, 300 hospitalizations in the province.

Infection fatality rate can't be measured directly, it can only be estimated.
You can measure positivity - percentage of positive tests. Click on the tab at the bottom of the graphs in that link. It is now 7.5%, was 4.4% in the peak of the 1st wave. New tests are now 6,000/day - was 3,500/day in the 1st wave. So we now test more than in March 2020 but positivity is also higher. This is not good.

[Edited on 3-15-2022 by Alm]

JDCanuck - 3-14-2022 at 05:50 PM

How can there be different dates for a peak of the same wave?

Alm: Oh...we didn't really see much of that out here on the island, was pretty much a non-issue. Then I was counting what you would call the second wave on the mainland. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

[Edited on 3-15-2022 by BajaNomad]

Alm - 3-14-2022 at 06:13 PM

Oh...we didn't really see much of that out here on the island, was pretty much a non-issue.

Yeah. You had it good there on the island at the beginning of the epidemic.

JZ - 3-14-2022 at 08:59 PM

So we now test more than in March 2020 but positivity is also higher. This is not good.

Rocks in the beans guy: it is actually good news.

When cases were going through the absolute roof in December, the smart ppl noticed the latest variant wasn't nearly as deadly or threatening.

In early Jan, lots of us called the end of the US peak in Feb. Because of the fact that so many ppl got it so fast and most recovered very quickly.

Meanwhile the bulk of the MSM was in ultimate scare mode in Dec/Jan (cases, cases, oh my). Stop listening to those ppl.

My god, the 85 yo Queen got it and had cold like symptoms for a couple days.

[Edited on 3-15-2022 by JZ]

JZ - 3-14-2022 at 09:02 PM

Depends. Positivity is not necessarily negative (I said that, <giggle> ), if it increases community immunity without major health consequences.

Best comment you have made on the board in a few months.

JDCanuck - 3-14-2022 at 10:13 PM

Have to admit it felt great to go out shopping today and see everyone smiling again. Last couple years I felt like I was surrounded by a bunch of grumpy bandits.

JZ - 3-14-2022 at 10:19 PM

Have to admit it felt great to go out shopping today and see everyone smiling again. Last couple years I felt like I was surrounded by a bunch of grumpy bandits.

Very happy for you JD.

You have been a blessing for this Baja forum. A voice of reason.

JZ - 3-16-2022 at 08:54 PM

Covid is soaring in China because those idiots had a zero Covid policy and their vaccines are sh#t.

[Edited on 3-17-2022 by JZ]

Lee - 3-16-2022 at 10:24 PM

More signs of normalcy returning. No masks on planes in the near future.

Things will never return to normal. There will always be ppl wearing masks. Immune deficient, elderly, those who believe masks are useful preventive measures.

The new normal is here. Stop believing everything you read JZ. Does anyone believe what you write here? I don't. Two years of wishing normal would reappear. Keep dreaming. Troll.

JZ - 3-16-2022 at 10:57 PM

I said signs of normalcy. Why wouldn't you root for that?

It's getting better and it's gonna be OK Lee.

[Edited on 3-17-2022 by JZ]

pacificobob - 3-17-2022 at 06:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by sunnybern

More signs of normalcy returning. No masks on planes in the near future.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you for speaking for most members of this forum Lee!

I couldn't agree more.

JDCanuck - 3-17-2022 at 08:39 AM

Cases in La Paz and BCS overall drop by another third in a week.
https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/english/

New normal right around the corner there too. Yes a whole lot of people will continue to wear masks. We saw this commonly with Chinese Asians coming over here for a couple years before Covid hit. I will continue to appreciate breathing in fresh air as a healthful activity whenever allowed.

gnukid - 3-17-2022 at 07:17 PM

Some people have always worn masks, in some countries it's common, that doesn't prove it's a good idea for either the mask wearer or others, there is ample evidence it's a very bad idea for human health to wear a mask that collects moisture and bacteria in the nose, mouth area and reduces fresh air.

Here are meta studies that review large numbers of studies, showing no benefit from masks, yet they do significant harm.

There is no evidence is airborne transmission of infection in real world situations, never has been shown, but, if people chose to wear face masks its a personal choice, so, let individuals choose as they may. Today driving through remote San Pedro, Pescadero and Todos Santos, I saw many people inside cars alone wearing masks, but no one inside restaurants, bars, hotels, or at beaches, etc.

Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis
https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

Mask mandate and use efficacy in state-level COVID-19 containment
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v...

Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c...

Face masks to prevent community transmission of viral respiratory infections: A rapid evidence review using Bayesian analysis
https://www.qeios.com/read/1SC5L4
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659...

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers : A Randomized Controlled Trial
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33205991/

[Edited on 3-18-2022 by gnukid]

mtgoat666 - 3-17-2022 at 08:26 PM

There is no evidence is airborne transmission of infection in real world situations, never has been shown

Paul, you are so wrong.

Lee - 3-17-2022 at 08:35 PM

Some people have always worn masks, in some countries it's common, that doesn't prove it's a good idea for either the mask wearer or others, there is ample evidence it's a very bad idea for human health to wear a mask that collects moisture and bacteria in the nose, mouth area and reduces fresh air.

Japan has been wearing masks 100 years. They believe the Hong Kong Flu was controlled by masks. Since long term use, no ill effects have been published.

A neighbor told me his dentist said mask wearing harms teeth and he (my neighbor) believed this nonsense. No proof, just opinion.

Your opinions have been outrageous on this subject for 2 years Paul. Chill Bro. It'll all work out.

gnukid - 3-17-2022 at 09:25 PM

Read the studies, make up your own mind.

I provided sourced meta studies covering hundreds of peer reviewed studies demonstrating that face mask do not reduce influenza or respiratory illness and do cause harm.

The results of the studies are not my personal opinion.

It's an interesting topic, there is no demonstrable evidence of influenza or respiratory illness as a person to person or animal to animal airborne contagion.

People do get colds, flu and respiratory illness, possibly from toxins in their environment, but not from interacting with each other, apparently.

Purdyd - 3-18-2022 at 04:04 AM

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c...

Quote:

There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. There are fewer data to support the use of masks or respirators to prevent becoming infected. Further studies in controlled settings and studies of natural infections in healthcare and community settings are required to better define the effectiveness of face masks and respirators in preventing influenza virus transmission.

In other words, you might be wearing a mask to protect other people.

Some other data from cdc.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

[Edited on 3-18-2022 by Purdyd]

[Edited on 3-19-2022 by Purdyd]

Meanwhile, on the other side of the Pond

pauldavidmena - 3-18-2022 at 07:06 AM

The BBC website posted this article about how different countries are approaching the prospect of a post-pandemic world.

JDCanuck - 3-18-2022 at 10:10 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

The BBC website posted this article about how different countries are approaching the prospect of a post-pandemic world.

Thanks PaulDavid, that was certainly an interesting article. It seems the countries that were thought to have avoided the virus altogether have suddenly been swept up in it to a massive degree (no naturally acquired immunity?). I guess the fortunate part is they had high vaccination rates and are facing the Omicron variant rather than the much more deadly earlier strains.

JZ - 3-20-2022 at 03:22 PM

Here's a shocker. The CDC lied to us. They just admitted they over reported Covid deaths by 74K. And they inflated the death of children by a whooping 24%.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

pacificobob - 3-20-2022 at 03:30 PM

People do get colds, flu and respiratory illness, possibly from toxins in their environment, but not from interacting with each other, apparently.

A quotable quote, indeed!

The medical journals should be notified.

JDCanuck - 3-20-2022 at 05:28 PM

Here's a shocker. The CDC lied to us. They just admitted they over reported Covid deaths by 74K. And they inflated the death of children by a whooping 24%.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

How do they manage to overestimate by 24%? This had big ramifications for kids.

Lee - 3-20-2022 at 05:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

People do get colds, flu and respiratory illness, possibly from toxins in their environment, but not from interacting with each other, apparently.

A quotable quote, indeed!

The medical journals should be notified.

Blame the former Disaster in Chief. Tell me again who's running this CLUSTER F*CK?

Sure a lot of whiny babies here. Blame it on Gen X. Are they still lost?

mtgoat666 - 3-20-2022 at 06:16 PM

I don’t see a lie. I see a mistake, and they corrected it, and did not hide the mistake and correction.

JZ - 3-20-2022 at 06:29 PM

I don’t see a lie. I see a mistake, and they corrected it, and did not hide the mistake and correction.

Corrected after it was used to keep kids out of school and to keep them wearing masks for 8hrs a day when they were in school.

You just don't make "mistakes" that large.

mtgoat666 - 3-20-2022 at 06:37 PM

I don’t see a lie. I see a mistake, and they corrected it, and did not hide the mistake and correction.

Corrected after it was used to keep kids out of school and to keep them wearing masks for 8hrs a day when they were in school.

You just don't make "mistakes" that large.

Shorty melonhead mcjizzle:
The data were not used to justify masks in school. Been using masks in school since early in the pandemic!

Why are you so stuck on being anti-public health? Get over it, and stop whining about masks, you and the anti-everything crowd sound so pathetic.

JZ - 3-20-2022 at 06:38 PM

CDC: fentanyl is the leading cause of death of Americans ages 18-45. More than Covid and car accidents combined. More than suicide and cancer combined.

Perhaps the CDC, politicians, and the MSM should have focused a bit more on this instead of trying to force those at very little risk of Covid to take a vaccine under duress?

Fentanyl from China pouring across the Southern border is a much bigger risk to your kids and grand kids than Covid.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/fentanyl-is-t...

[Edited on 3-21-2022 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 3-20-2022 at 06:45 PM

CDC: fentanyl is the leading cause of death of Americans ages 18-45. More than Covid and car accidents combined. More than suicide and cancer combined.

Perhaps the CDC, politicians, and the MSM should have focused a bit more on this instead of trying to force those at very little risk of Covid to take a vaccine under duress?

Fentanyl from China pouring across the Southern border is a much better risk to your kids and grand kids than Covid.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/fentanyl-is-t...

[Edited on 3-21-2022 by JZ]

Drugs are taken by choice. While it is sad to see life wasted on drugs, I see drug use as a voluntary activity. We let people do all sorts of voluntary activities that will kill them: over-eating, drug/alcohol abuse, driving motorcycles, smoking, unprotected climbing, war, etc.
Why the concern about drug abusers overdosing? Voluntary activity!
We already told people: Just say no. End of discussion.

JZ - 3-20-2022 at 06:54 PM

What is killing them are the drugs laced with fentanyl w/o their knowledge. That's what the government should be working to stop.

And now you are gonna talk about ppl having the choice to take voluntary risks? That's quite ironic.

JDCanuck - 3-20-2022 at 07:33 PM

It would be expected that with the huge growth in homeless people due to lock downs and massive job losses among the poorest we would see an increase in opioid deaths to follow it. I agree, we have been far too lax in dealing with both the causes of homelessness and opioids use as a consequence. Perhaps now is the time to get serious about it.

Skipjack Joe - 3-20-2022 at 07:59 PM

gnukid:

If masks are ineffective then why does every surgeon wear one during surgery? You can't even enter an operating room without one. You think that maybe be the medical field may know something on this subject? This isn't something new with covid. I wouldn't be surprised if this common practice dates back to Louis Pasteur.

mtgoat666 - 3-20-2022 at 07:59 PM

Kids have been warned that drugs kill. Their parents need to control them. Not sure why govt should be involved.

Voluntary risks are ok. The risk takers only injure themselves

People do not have a right to ignore public health rules and endanger others.
No one in their right mind wants shorty mcjizzy anti-everything scofflaw to come to their school or neighborhood and spread covid, typhoid or VD.

[Edited on 3-21-2022 by mtgoat666]

JDCanuck - 3-22-2022 at 05:19 AM

Cases continuing to fall rapidly in BCS:
https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/english/

gnukid - 3-22-2022 at 06:05 AM

School returns to full in class attendance as of today in BCS for all grades

https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/como-gusten-ir-vestidos-lo-que-im...

BajaMama - 3-22-2022 at 09:58 AM

I love reading the ridiculousness of this thread. Most of it is misinformation, a little of it is based on facts and data.

Excess death data is coming in and the actual death count is of course higher than reported.

Current case counts in the US are obviously not accurate since a lot of people are testing at home and those positive cases are not reported to the CDC.

I'm just glad it's almost over. Based on previous pandemic statistical data, a pandemic lasts two years, and here we are approaching the end. My husband and I test weekly, attend social and theater events, ride public transportation, etc. We wear masks when appropriate, no skin off my butt.

As far as I can tell, life in the US is back to (a new) normal. Between all the unvaccinated and unmasked nimrods who got sick and all the people who have gotten vaccinated, we have a lot of community immunity. I feel sorry for countries who attempted the "zero covid" approach, they have another two years to build community immunity.

gnukid - 3-22-2022 at 10:46 AM

New data, corrections, admissions of errors keep coming out, from primary sources, for example:

Benefits of vaccines are short lived, rapidly waning, and subsequently have negative effectiveness.

Waning effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00277-X/fulltext

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky: “Nobody” Predicted Jabs’ Waning Immunity
https://www.newswars.com/cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-nobo...

Testing is grossly inaccurate, 30% of cases are false positives, statistical accuracy of reporting is inaccurate,

Physicians’ Dilemma of False-Positive RT-PCR for COVID-19: a Case Report
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7778390/

CDC admits over counting children's cases by 24% and likely higher.

CDC Says It Accidentally Inflated Children’s COVID Death Numbers In ‘Coding Logic Error’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-says-it-acciden...

By definition, there is no such thing as asymptomatic covid positive illness case, illness diagnosis implies adverse symptoms that are identifiable, debilitating and are causal related.

Lawyers expose alleged COVID-19 fraud and vaccine danger
https://www.mizzima.com/article/lawyers-expose-alleged-covid...

BajaMama - 3-23-2022 at 07:45 AM

New data, corrections, admissions of errors keep coming out, from primary sources, for example:

Benefits of vaccines are short lived, rapidly waning, and subsequently have negative effectiveness.

Waning effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00277-X/fulltext

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky: “Nobody” Predicted Jabs’ Waning Immunity
https://www.newswars.com/cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-nobo...

Testing is grossly inaccurate, 30% of cases are false positives, statistical accuracy of reporting is inaccurate,

Physicians’ Dilemma of False-Positive RT-PCR for COVID-19: a Case Report
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7778390/

CDC admits over counting children's cases by 24% and likely higher.

CDC Says It Accidentally Inflated Children’s COVID Death Numbers In ‘Coding Logic Error’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-says-it-acciden...

By definition, there is no such thing as asymptomatic covid positive illness case, illness diagnosis implies adverse symptoms that are identifiable, debilitating and are causal related.

Lawyers expose alleged COVID-19 fraud and vaccine danger
https://www.mizzima.com/article/lawyers-expose-alleged-covid...

You're killing me smalls. Vaccines are HIGHLY EFFECTIVE against hospitalization and death. Who cares of they are short lived? We only need to get to the endemic stage and right now, at least in the US, we are getting close. 99% of those hospitalized and dead from covid since the vaccine was widely available were unvaccinated.

JZ - 3-24-2022 at 11:28 PM

CEOs of 10 major airlines and cargo operators including American, Southwest, JetBlue and FedEx tell Biden to DROP 'outdated' mask mandates and tests for travelers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10647601/10-major-a...

mtgoat666 - 3-25-2022 at 05:33 AM

CEOs of 10 major airlines and cargo operators including American, Southwest, JetBlue and FedEx tell Biden to DROP 'outdated' mask mandates and tests for travelers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10647601/10-major-a...

Wearing a mask is effortless. Why are y’all whining so much?
If I am forced to sit next to sick people on plane, train or bus, then I prefer all be masked.
Perhaps mask requirement on sardine-packed transport should be permanent requirement, eh?

JZ - 3-25-2022 at 07:22 AM

Follow the science, eh?

'The science clearly supports lifting the mask mandate, as demonstrated by the recently released [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] framework indicating that 99 percent of the U.S. population no longer need to wear masks indoors,' the letter states.

gnukid - 3-25-2022 at 08:15 AM

Children can not be vaccinated without parental permission Federal Judge Rules

Federal judge blocks DC law allowing kids to get vaccinated without parental consent
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/599111-federal-judge-b...

Federal Vaccine Law Trumps D.C. in Letting Minors Bypass Parents
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/federal-vaccine-law...

gnukid - 3-26-2022 at 05:20 PM

The admins, DK et al, here delete CDC official statements, peer reviewed studies with over 1000 citations and allow abusive posts, threatening posts. fraudulent posts, which calls into question why? Why would the policy of this site be to promote misinformation, harassment, lies, and censor official CDC statements and studies? Both David Keir and others are admins? What is the intent of this site? False info, propaganda, intimidation? What is happening now in the moderation is abuse of the truth to promote lies? Why is Baja Nomad promoting damaging lies, misinformation, insults, aggression, and lies and censoring peer reviewed studies and public government statements? Its disconcerting, and discouraging for a honest, truthful community.

[Edited on 3-27-2022 by gnukid]

pacificobob - 3-26-2022 at 05:33 PM