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Don Pisto - 3-26-2022 at 05:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
The admins, DK et al, here delete CDC official statements, peer reviewed studies with over 1000 citations and allow abusive posts, threatening posts. fraudulent posts, which calls into question why? Why would the policy of this site be to promote misinformation, harassment, lies, and censor official CDC statements and studies? Both David Keir and others are admins? What is the intent of this site? False info, propaganda, intimidation? What is happening now in the moderation is abuse of the truth to promote lies? Why is Baja Nomad promoting damaging lies, misinformation, insults, aggression, and lies and censoring peer reviewed studies and public government statements? Its disconcerting, and discouraging for a honest, truthful community.

[Edited on 3-27-2022 by gnukid]


Take a breath. It's all going to be fine.


I agree......but he's not all wrong is he?

JDCanuck - 3-26-2022 at 09:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
[/rquote]

Take a breath. It's all going to be fine.


Best advice I've seen on this subject! We are moving into a much better place. Time to leave the accusations and animosity behind and try to face the future with common compassion and tolerance that existed in the past.

I'll start: I sincerely apologize to anyone I have offended by my opinions and look forward to sitting down and sharing some good times and maybe a bit of beer in the future. I'll even buy...(up to a limit of course)

mtgoat666 - 3-27-2022 at 07:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Informed consent is a human right,…


Paul, you also have a right to be stupid, but that does not mean it is wise to exercise that right everyday.

Not Baja, but.....

AKgringo - 3-27-2022 at 07:56 AM

In Nevada County, for the first time in two years, the local hospital reported that there were 0 patients hospitalized with covid symptoms!

There were 19 known patients receiving outpatient treatment, and probably many others that never went for treatment or testing, but I consider this a positive sign!

Nevada county has a huge senior citizen population.

JZ - 3-27-2022 at 10:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
In Nevada County, for the first time in two years, the local hospital reported that there were 0 patients hospitalized with covid symptoms!

There were 19 known patients receiving outpatient treatment, and probably many others that never went for treatment or testing, but I consider this a positive sign!

Nevada county has a huge senior citizen population.


That is great to hear.

BajaNomad - 3-27-2022 at 06:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto  
Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
The admins, DK et al, here delete CDC official statements, peer reviewed studies with over 1000 citations and allow abusive posts, threatening posts. fraudulent posts, which calls into question why? Why would the policy of this site be to promote misinformation, harassment, lies, and censor official CDC statements and studies? Both David Keir and others are admins? What is the intent of this site? False info, propaganda, intimidation? What is happening now in the moderation is abuse of the truth to promote lies? Why is Baja Nomad promoting damaging lies, misinformation, insults, aggression, and lies and censoring peer reviewed studies and public government statements? Its disconcerting, and discouraging for a honest, truthful community.

[Edited on 3-27-2022 by gnukid]


Take a breath. It's all going to be fine.


I agree......but he's not all wrong is he?


On his various points he's one of the following:

- Entirely incorrect (i.e. "wrong"). Or...
- Considerably misleading in what he's stating.

:rolleyes:

Perhaps he should stop posting links from high-bias sites lacking credibility amongst the links to more credible sites (such as CDC, etc)? Maybe he should be making inquiries with the admin directly (there's only one lol) with his concerns instead of posting gripes in a thread? Just more game playing going on. Sheesh.

:light:

gnukid - 3-27-2022 at 09:11 PM

Simply, data changes, science requires you update your mindset, to the changing conclusions, public statements, and peer reviewed studies are not high bias, they simply don't meet last weeks world view.

For example, BN Admin deleted CDC Walensky statements that a coding error caused children's covid case/deaths to be over counted by 24%. While this is actually good news to celebrate, apparently accepting errors goes against BN world view.

CDC Says It Accidentally Inflated Children’s COVID Death Numbers In ‘Coding Logic Error’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-says-it-acciden...

Demographic Trends of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the US reported to CDC
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics


“An adjustment was made to COVID Data Tracker’s mortality data on March 14 involving the removal of 72,277 — including 416 pediatric deaths — deaths previously reported across 26 states because CDC’s algorithm was accidentally counting deaths that were not COVID-19-related,” Jasmine Reed, a spokesperson for the CDC, told the Washington Examiner. “Working with near real-time data in an emergency is critical to guide decision-making, but may also mean we often have incomplete information when data are first reported.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/reported-pediatric-c...

gnukid - 3-27-2022 at 09:15 PM

Recently, trends in cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have been identified following Covid Vaccine especially in young boys.

Adverse events among children ages 5–11 years after COVID-19 vaccination: updates from v-safe and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r...

New information for parents on myocarditis and COVID-19 vaccines
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/new-information-for-pare...

Epidemiology of Acute Myocarditis/Pericarditis in Hong Kong Adolescents Following Comirnaty Vaccination
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34849657/

Doctors Are Puzzled by Heart Inflammation in the Young and Vaccinated
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/07/vaccinati...

[Edited on 3-28-2022 by gnukid]

gnukid - 3-27-2022 at 09:17 PM

Adverse effects following Pfizer vaccine from Pfizer documents

CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarke...

gnukid - 3-27-2022 at 09:46 PM

The C.D.C. Isn’t Publishing Large Portions of the Covid Data It Collects
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.htm...

The agency has withheld critical data on boosters, hospitalizations and, until recently, wastewater analyses.

BajaNomad - 3-28-2022 at 12:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Recently,


None of what you posted following that comment was "recent". More misleading statements.

:rolleyes:

BajaNomad - 3-28-2022 at 12:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
BN Admin deleted CDC Walensky statements that a coding error caused children's covid case/deaths to be over counted by 24%.

...apparently accepting errors goes against BN world view.


Just continuing false and misleading statements.

:rolleyes:

Reference:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=94717&pag...




[Edited on 3-28-2022 by BajaNomad]

Lee - 3-28-2022 at 02:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  

I'll start: I sincerely apologize to anyone I have offended by my opinions and look forward to sitting down and sharing some good times and maybe a bit of beer in the future. I'll even buy...(up to a limit of course)


Well heck, if you're in, I'm in. Sincerest apologies for seemingly coming unglued in some of my posts. It's entirely possible, like the Canuck, to move beyond politics, and get down to sharing and getting crazy. Up to a point of course.

JZ, DK, Paul, Tom, Bob, Harald, PaulDavid, Westy, Zac, I'm buying too. Drinks on us. Smoking lamp is lit, as well.

JZ - 3-28-2022 at 03:19 PM

I'd hang out with you Lee.

Skipjack Joe - 3-28-2022 at 07:25 PM

I can't figure gnukid out. Can someone explain him to me. The man is an enigma. This is gnukid in a nutshell.

- Everything in the world is a lie. The truth is hidden and the smart ones figure it out. Almost by definition, if most people believe something then it's suspicious and you need to find the real truth. -

How does one live like that?

JZ - 3-28-2022 at 09:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
I can't figure gnukid out. Can someone explain him to me. The man is an enigma. This is gnukid in a nutshell.

- Everything in the world is a lie. The truth is hidden and the smart ones figure it out. Almost by definition, if most people believe something then it's suspicious and you need to find the real truth. -

How does one live like that?


It's actually not that far off from what the MSM is doing. Thankfully, more and more ppl have caught on.

JDCanuck - 3-29-2022 at 05:29 AM

Now that we have all made our choices on the vaccine or not issue, perhaps it's safe to share this example of who we have been trashing as "anti-vaxxers" and our failed responsibility to them as we force them to ignore their experiences and do what we want them to. This is only one of the severe reactions we have chosen to ignore.
Rare, but still significant to the lives of those that have suffered from them.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/b-c-man-who-had-rar...

In light of these growing number of cases, I find it entirely understandable more people are choosing not to continue to receive the 3rd and 4th shots of "vaccines" that are showing a declining benefit as we progress through this pandemic.

mtgoat666 - 3-29-2022 at 06:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Now that we have all made our choices on the vaccine or not issue, perhaps it's safe to share this example of who we have been trashing as "anti-vaxxers" and our failed responsibility to them as we force them to ignore their experiences and do what we want them to. This is only one of the severe reactions we have chosen to ignore.
Rare, but still significant to the lives of those that have suffered from them.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/b-c-man-who-had-rar...

In light of these growing number of cases, I find it entirely understandable more people are choosing not to continue to receive the 3rd and 4th shots of "vaccines" that are showing a declining benefit as we progress through this pandemic.


That article explains the science. Facts of the case and statistics from wider population indicate it was a coincidence, not a reaction.

JZ - 3-29-2022 at 07:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Now that we have all made our choices on the vaccine or not issue, perhaps it's safe to share this example of who we have been trashing as "anti-vaxxers" and our failed responsibility to them as we force them to ignore their experiences and do what we want them to. This is only one of the severe reactions we have chosen to ignore.
Rare, but still significant to the lives of those that have suffered from them.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/b-c-man-who-had-rar...

In light of these growing number of cases, I find it entirely understandable more people are choosing not to continue to receive the 3rd and 4th shots of "vaccines" that are showing a declining benefit as we progress through this pandemic.


About 23K people under 40 died in the US over 2 years. About 6K under 30 died - in two years. Of those, almost all of them had other significant health issues.

There was no reason to force mandates on young and healthy people.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...





[Edited on 3-31-2022 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 3-29-2022 at 09:04 AM

As the science has shifted throughout this pandemic, so too do we have to adjust our reactions. What was the best solution with the first variants may not be with the present milder ones. Especially applicable to younger age groups where risks to the vaccine are higher and benefits lower. I am looking forward to when every person's personal choices in consultation with their doctor(s) again trumps what the politicians decide is in their best interest. Seems to me in most areas of the world that's where we are headed as more and more doctors look at the latest scientific data.

BajaMama - 3-30-2022 at 10:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
I can't figure gnukid out. Can someone explain him to me. The man is an enigma. This is gnukid in a nutshell.

- Everything in the world is a lie. The truth is hidden and the smart ones figure it out. Almost by definition, if most people believe something then it's suspicious and you need to find the real truth. -

How does one live like that?


Maybe he's Q-Anon? 😂😂😂😂😂

Alm - 3-30-2022 at 07:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
In Nevada County, for the first time in two years, the local hospital reported that there were 0 patients hospitalized with covid symptoms!

There were 19 known patients receiving outpatient treatment, and probably many others that never went for treatment or testing, but I consider this a positive sign!

Nevada county has a huge senior citizen population.

Who knows... Many seniors, many vaccinated, fewer deaths. Here is another 'not in Baja': BC Canada. Cases and hospitalizations stopped dropping and are trending slightly up. My theory is that the recent wave in Asia is catching up with us. This province has ~ 5 million population. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989....

JDCanuck - 4-1-2022 at 08:28 AM

Covid conditions in BCS continue to improve, with Loreto showing the best present conditions:

https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/english/

Of course, it's all related to how much testing they are doing, which is increasing north of the border, but I suspect declining in BCS as people relax more based on the milder symptoms.

pauldavidmena - 4-1-2022 at 11:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Doug needs to lock this thread and throw away the key.

John


x2, maybe more.


If this thread bothers you, then just don’t click on it. Problem solved!


I click on this thread because I hope to see updates on the OP: "BC and BCS COVID-19 Active Cases". Silly me!

Don Pisto - 4-1-2022 at 12:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Doug needs to lock this thread and throw away the key.

John


x2, maybe more.


If this thread bothers you, then just don’t click on it. Problem solved!


I click on this thread because I hope to see updates on the OP: "BC and BCS COVID-19 Active Cases". Silly me!


the OP SF&H tried really hard to keep this on track.....I guess he finally gave up and tapped out?

JZ - 4-1-2022 at 12:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto  

the OP SF&H tried really hard to keep this on track.....I guess he finally gave up and tapped out?


He's probably doing the same thing he did this time last year. He was off the board for months while he was camping out around Bahia Concepcion.

[Edited on 4-1-2022 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 4-2-2022 at 06:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
In Nevada County, for the first time in two years, the local hospital reported that there were 0 patients hospitalized with covid symptoms!

There were 19 known patients receiving outpatient treatment, and probably many others that never went for treatment or testing, but I consider this a positive sign!

Nevada county has a huge senior citizen population.

Who knows... Many seniors, many vaccinated, fewer deaths. Here is another 'not in Baja': BC Canada. Cases and hospitalizations stopped dropping and are trending slightly up. My theory is that the recent wave in Asia is catching up with us. This province has ~ 5 million population. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989....

JDCanuck - 4-2-2022 at 07:02 AM

It's not too surprising with the increased availability of testing kits here for the general public that we would be seeing more reported positives. What has happened in addition is BA1 has ripped through the population leaving far more people with long lasting naturally acquired antibodies and at the same time further dropping the case fatality rates. Both vaccinated, boosted and somewhat protected, and the non vaccinated now have higher resistance to BA2 and future variants as they encounter the virus. This is the herd immunity stage everyone was hoping for. Omicron somehow became the closest we came to a "weakened or altered vaccine" through natural progression and is the biggest factor leading to an endemic stage.

JDCanuck - 4-2-2022 at 07:12 AM

The problem facing us now is rebuilding the health care system that has been severely weakened both by natural attrition, the closing of nursing schools and at a critical point firing the additional almost 10% that for whatever reason chose not to be vaccinated. A recent survey here indicated 1/3 of the remaining health care staff intend to quit. Where do we suddenly get the numbers of trained staff to replace them? The same issues exist globally.

My wife(a nurse) formally retired yesterday and has allowed her licensing to lapse. She and many of her co-workers continued to work past the normal retirement age due to the extreme need for them, but they will not delay their retirements forever.

[Edited on 4-2-2022 by JDCanuck]

JDCanuck - 4-2-2022 at 02:48 PM

Lencho: Here, PCR testing has been recently restricted to target groups only(mainly health care pros), and if we had cold or flu symptoms we were told to not bother getting tested but to assume we had Omicron and act accordingly. If a target group person tested positive to a rapid test, they would generally get retested with PCR to confirm and get added to the list of positives. Even rapid tests were not made broadly available til very recently due to shortages. Now anyone can get them from the pharmacy. More testing leads to more positives, but has little effect on outcomes especially with Omicron, making the CFR decline quicker. IFR (Infection fatality rates) are lower yet than Case fatality rates and are estimated only because they would include asymptomatic exposures of people that show no symptoms so are never tested.
Estimates of seasonal flu IFR each year runs in the 0.1 to 0.2 percent range.

[Edited on 4-2-2022 by JDCanuck]

mtgoat666 - 4-18-2022 at 07:59 AM

Good article:

Is Covid More Dangerous Than Driving? How Scientists Are Parsing Covid Risks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/17/science/covid-risks.html

JZ - 4-18-2022 at 08:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Good article:

Is Covid More Dangerous Than Driving? How Scientists Are Parsing Covid Risks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/17/science/covid-risks.html


NYTs is 100% a propaganda rag. Not reading that crap.

elgatoloco - 4-18-2022 at 02:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Good article:

Is Covid More Dangerous Than Driving? How Scientists Are Parsing Covid Risks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/17/science/covid-risks.html


NYTs is 100% a propaganda rag. Not reading that crap.


Zerohedge is sooooooooooo balanced. :rolleyes: You crack me up. :lol:

mtgoat666 - 4-18-2022 at 04:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Good article:

Is Covid More Dangerous Than Driving? How Scientists Are Parsing Covid Risks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/17/science/covid-risks.html


NYTs is 100% a propaganda rag. Not reading that crap.


You claim that you won’t read NYT because it is biased, then follow that up with a post from Zerohedge. That’s rich.

Your actions tell me that you don’t read the news for information, you read the news for affirmation.

Me thinks you confuse the news in NYTimes with the opinion page in the NYTimes. News for you shorty, the news and the opinion pages are different animals. The NYTimes is credible journalism,… you perhaps don’t like it because it was one of the many papers that revealed that your marmalade emperor had no clothes.

JZ - 4-18-2022 at 06:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  

You claim that you won’t read NYT because it is biased, then follow that up with a post from Zerohedge. That’s rich.

Your actions tell me that you don’t read the news for information, you read the news for affirmation.

Me thinks you confuse the news in NYTimes with the opinion page in the NYTimes. News for you shorty, the news and the opinion pages are different animals. The NYTimes is credible journalism,… you perhaps don’t like it because it was one of the many papers that revealed that your marmalade emperor had no clothes.


Never even heard of that website before. It popped up in a random Google search. Was in a hurry, so posted that link.

Here you go: https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/tsa-wont-enforce-mask-manda...

Promise to do better next time, ok?


That said, the NYTs is the enemy of the American ppl. Every thing they promote under the guise of helping minorities, actually hurts minorities. They want to abolish the middle class, so it is just the elites and everyone else. No thank you.


[Edited on 4-19-2022 by JZ]

Lee - 4-18-2022 at 08:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

That said, the NYTs is the enemy of the American ppl. Every thing they promote under the guise of helping minorities, actually hurts minorities. They want to abolish the middle class, so it is just the elites and everyone else. No thank you.
[Edited on 4-19-2022 by JZ]


Vain and bombastic.:o

mtgoat666 - 4-19-2022 at 08:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/tsa-wont-enforce-mask-manda...


I suggest that masks be optional on planes, busses and trains. And we should do like old days when smoking was allowed on planes, put the maskless in the back of the plane and put the masked in the front of the plane. Train cars can be separated for masked and maskless. Busses can be made for masked, and we can provide free rental scooter credits for unmasked. I see lots of rental scooters on street here in san Diego, and you maskless should use those and let the masked ride the bus in good health.

JZ - 4-19-2022 at 08:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


I suggest that masks be optional on planes, busses and trains. And we should do like old days when smoking was allowed on planes, put the maskless in the back of the plane and put the masked in the front of the plane. Train cars can be separated for masked and maskless. Busses can be made for masked, and we can provide free rental scooter credits for unmasked. I see lots of rental scooters on street here in san Diego, and you maskless should use those and let the masked ride the bus in good health.


Why do you hate science?


"A 187-page study by Harvard scientists released Tuesday concluded that air travel "is as safe as or substantially safer than the routine activities people undertake during these times.''

The Harvard researchers said the ventilation system in the cabin "effectively counters the proximity travelers are subject to during flights.''

It says those factors combine to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission on a plane to below that at grocery stores or restaurants."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/10/2...


[Edited on 4-19-2022 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 4-19-2022 at 10:03 AM

It will take a while for people to relax from the mask rules despite what studies say. Once you get firmly convinced they are necessary it's difficult to let it go. Costco the first week after they were no longer mandatory here had about 50/50 people wearing masks. Now it's about 5/95 3 weeks later.
Understandably, planes trains and buses will take longer even after the rules are removed.

Maybe MTGoat has a good temporary solution and we could establish masked and unmasked areas to accommodate as much as possible everyone's choice in the public transport.

[Edited on 4-19-2022 by JDCanuck]

AKgringo - 4-19-2022 at 10:43 AM

As per Goat's suggestion about airplanes, tail heavy airplanes will create hazards of their own! :rolleyes:

[Edited on 4-19-2022 by AKgringo]

Purdyd - 4-19-2022 at 05:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


I suggest that masks be optional on planes, busses and trains. And we should do like old days when smoking was allowed on planes, put the maskless in the back of the plane and put the masked in the front of the plane. Train cars can be separated for masked and maskless. Busses can be made for masked, and we can provide free rental scooter credits for unmasked. I see lots of rental scooters on street here in san Diego, and you maskless should use those and let the masked ride the bus in good health.


Why do you hate science?


"A 187-page study by Harvard scientists released Tuesday concluded that air travel "is as safe as or substantially safer than the routine activities people undertake during these times.''

The Harvard researchers said the ventilation system in the cabin "effectively counters the proximity travelers are subject to during flights.''

It says those factors combine to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission on a plane to below that at grocery stores or restaurants."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/10/2...


[Edited on 4-19-2022 by JZ]


Actually what the report says is
Quote:
The Finding: This research substantiates that the layered approach of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPI) instituted on commercial aircraft
- effectively diluting and removing pathogens and in combination with face masks - results in a very low risk of SARS-COV-2 disease transmission on aircraft.


Quote:
b. Face Masks
Finding
Face masks without exhalation valves or vents or other openings are a critical element in preventing the spread of respiratory infectious diseases while traveling. In fact, face mask requirements are perhaps the most essential layer of a comprehensive set of measures to reduce transmission of COVID-19 throughout air travel.




[Edited on 4-20-2022 by Purdyd]

[Edited on 4-20-2022 by Purdyd]

[Edited on 4-20-2022 by Purdyd]

mtgoat666 - 4-19-2022 at 08:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


I suggest that masks be optional on planes, busses and trains. And we should do like old days when smoking was allowed on planes, put the maskless in the back of the plane and put the masked in the front of the plane. Train cars can be separated for masked and maskless. Busses can be made for masked, and we can provide free rental scooter credits for unmasked. I see lots of rental scooters on street here in san Diego, and you maskless should use those and let the masked ride the bus in good health.


Why do you hate science?


"A 187-page study by Harvard scientists released Tuesday concluded that air travel "is as safe as or substantially safer than the routine activities people undertake during these times.''

The Harvard researchers said the ventilation system in the cabin "effectively counters the proximity travelers are subject to during flights.''

It says those factors combine to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission on a plane to below that at grocery stores or restaurants."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/10/2...


[Edited on 4-19-2022 by JZ]


Airliners have poor ventilation during boarding and deplaning. The high filtration is only during flight. Also, good filters/air flow really don’t do much when you are packed in like a sardine next to a sicko….

Plane Filtration may protect you from some sicko sitting 10 rows away, but does little to protect you when your mouth/nose is 18 inches from some sicko exhaling covid, flu, cold, etc.

I am all for mask requirement to be permanent requirement as long as airlines insist on inhumane seat spacing and packed planes.

Don’t get me started on fat people flying without buying extra seat!

JZ - 4-19-2022 at 08:36 PM

Filtration systems on planes make sitting a foot away from someone the equivalent of 15 feet away in normal settings. They studied stuff like this.

Mask were never worn while eating or drinking. So all you had to do was keeping snacking on some peanuts to avoid wearing it. Did Covid magically stop then?

Remind us of the number of outbreaks associated with airline travel the last two years?

We took a bunch flights in 2020 pre-vaccines. No Covid.


[Edited on 4-20-2022 by JZ]

Purdyd - 4-19-2022 at 10:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Filtration systems on planes make sitting a foot away from someone the equivalent of 15 feet away in normal settings. They studied stuff like this.

Mask were never worn while eating or drinking. So all you had to do was keeping snacking on some peanuts to avoid wearing it. Did Covid magically stop then?

Remind us of the number of outbreaks associated with airline travel the last two years?

We took a bunch flights in 2020 pre-vaccines. No Covid.


[Edited on 4-20-2022 by JZ]


From the same USA article you linked


https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/10/2...
Quote:
Troubling outbreak: Ireland flight linked to 59 COVID-19 cases

Despite the industry's bullishness, a new report from Irish public health officials suggests coronavirus spread on planes remains a threat.

A report published late last week in the journal of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, a European Union health agency, said 13 of 49 passengers on a 7½-hour flight to Dublin, including a child, tested positive for COVID-19, and another 46 in contact with them in Ireland became infected. Four were hospitalized, one in the ICU.


The phase I airline industry report

https://cdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/2443/2...
Quote:
Boeing then used these reductions in exposure to convert their CFD-derived finding as “equivalent physical distance” asserting that due to the features of their aircraft ECS design, potentially infectious particles released under realistic scenarios will be rapidly diluted and removed from the proximity of passengers to provide the equivalent distance of being >6 feet (1.83 m) away from an adjacent passenger.


Quote:
7.3 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROPER USE OF FACE MASKS DURING AIR TRAVEL
In summary, face masks offer an important line of protection against the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by reducing potentially infectious exhaled respiratory particles from the wearer as well as providing some barrier protection against inhaled particles. However, it is the proper use of a face mask that confers it effectiveness. The protective value of the face mask decreases significantly when the wearer’s mouth or nose are not completely covered because it is no longer functioning as a barrier for respiratory particles (Van der Sande et al., 2008; Konda et al., 2020; Davies et al., 2013). For these reasons, face mask compliance and correct use are critical while on board the aircraft.
Additionally, passengers and crew should make every effort to ensure that their masks fit comfortably and without gaps in order to maximize their effectiveness as a barrier to viral spread (Konda et al., 2020; Mueller et al., 2020). Masks should be cleaned regularly in accord with the CDC recommendation (CDC, 2020f).





[Edited on 4-20-2022 by Purdyd]

[Edited on 4-20-2022 by Purdyd]

caj13 - 5-16-2022 at 07:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Filtration systems on planes make sitting a foot away from someone the equivalent of 15 feet away in normal settings. They studied stuff like this.

Mask were never worn while eating or drinking. So all you had to do was keeping snacking on some peanuts to avoid wearing it. Did Covid magically stop then?

Remind us of the number of outbreaks associated with airline travel the last two years?

We took a bunch flights in 2020 pre-vaccines. No Covid.


[Edited on 4-20-2022 by JZ]


Got a citation on that equivalent to 15 feet apart Jizzy - you know - because we all want to make sure we are accurately representing scientific studies here.
and BTW - its not so much on the plane - its the jetways getting onto , and deplaning - when the systems are turned off - believe it or not, you could get infected then - honest!

1 million dead in the USA - 17 Million dead world wide - and those are clearly gross undercounts - and your still spouting about having to wear a mask - not because of the mask - its all about your political agenda. when human lifes start mattering more to you that your political beliefs - then we can have a discussion based on facts and science. until then - keep on inventing BS, ignoring science - it's a very good tool to assess your IQ

RFClark - 5-16-2022 at 07:56 AM

CAJ13,

The “Science” is that a large percentage of the virtue signaling masks worn in public were and still are about 15% effective! If you aren’t wearing an N or P 95 mask that fits tightly you are kidding yourself!

If you only wear a mask when cameras are present you’re a hypocrite or worse!

caj13 - 5-16-2022 at 10:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
CAJ13,

The “Science” is that a large percentage of the virtue signaling masks worn in public were and still are about 15% effective! If you aren’t wearing an N or P 95 mask that fits tightly you are kidding yourself!

If you only wear a mask when cameras are present you’re a hypocrite or worse!


got a citation on that?

JZ - 5-16-2022 at 10:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
CAJ13,

The “Science” is that a large percentage of the virtue signaling masks worn in public were and still are about 15% effective! If you aren’t wearing an N or P 95 mask that fits tightly you are kidding yourself!

If you only wear a mask when cameras are present you’re a hypocrite or worse!


got a citation on that?


Doctors from the NIH have said cloth masks do very little. Surgical masks are better, if worn properly and you avoid touching your face. N95 are very good if they fit well. Tons of sources saying this.

It's also well know that a lot of it is for show. There have been hundreds of photos of politicians saying to wear a mask and then doing the exact opposite in private.

RFClark - 5-16-2022 at 06:39 PM

caj13,

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Alm - 5-16-2022 at 08:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
caj13,

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Their efficiency for cloth and surgicals is much higher than what I read before, but the study looks solid.

What is not clear is the odds ratio or in other words - protection, in the indoor environment where you're wearing a mask but, say, 80% of people around you aren't. And this is exactly what today's airplanes are. With N95 you'll get only 0.17 of exposure than they will, but we'll never know - 0.17 of what. Unmasked people in enclosed space increase your risk anyway.

RFClark - 5-17-2022 at 08:03 AM

Alm,

If you read the study it goes on to say that the benefits of cloth masks are not statistically significant.

Pressurized aircraft generally don't recirculate air, they replace it with fresh outside air. This rate of replacement is adjustable. More often is better but uses more fuel! AC cabins have always been unhealthy!

Alm - 5-17-2022 at 07:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Alm,

If you read the study it goes on to say that the benefits of cloth masks are not statistically significant.

Pressurized aircraft generally don't recirculate air, they replace it with fresh outside air.

Statistically not significant but the odds ratio is 44%, can't discard this completely. Still, indoors I would prefer N95 to cloth mask or a surgical. Both my dentists - in Canada and Mexico - were wearing N95 last time I saw them. I really appreciated them doing it, but oh boy, must've been tough wearing it all day long. Lucky are those who don't have to work with people today.

surabi - 5-17-2022 at 08:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm  
I really appreciated them doing it, but oh boy, must've been tough wearing it all day long. Lucky are those who don't have to work with people today.


Honestly, it's something one gets used to if it fits well. I have gotten so used to wearing a mask when going to indoor public places that unless the weather is hot, I sometimes forget I am wearing it when I get back in my car after shopping, and will drive a block before becoming aware of it and removing it (the sort of thing anti-maskers seize on to prove how crazy mask-wearers are, as if we are terrified of driving alone in our own vehicles without a mask on, which no one is).

What was way worse for doctors and nurses and ambulance staff was having to suit up with the whole 9 yards of PPE when dealing with Covid cases- masks, face shields, hazmat suits, gloves, booties. and then having to remove it all without causing any cross-contamination.

[Edited on 5-18-2022 by surabi]

RFClark - 5-17-2022 at 08:14 PM

Alm,

At the beginning of this epidemic the CDC deliberately tried to infect a group of volunteers. Only 50% of those infected caught covid! The other 50% caught nothing!

Skipjack Joe - 5-18-2022 at 09:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


We took a bunch flights in 2020 pre-vaccines. No Covid.



Well that proves everything.

Like that damn palm tree DK brings up.

Alm - 5-18-2022 at 03:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  

Honestly, it's something one gets used to if it fits well. I have gotten so used to wearing a mask when going to indoor public places that unless the weather is hot, I sometimes forget I am wearing it

Did you mean N95? To me it is way less comfortable than a surgical mask. Those "cupped" like 3M 8510/8511 with a foam strip around feel a little better, but I don't think I could forget that I'm wearing it, even when it's not hot.

surabi - 5-18-2022 at 09:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm  

Did you mean N95? To me it is way less comfortable than a surgical mask. Those "cupped" like 3M 8510/8511 with a foam strip around feel a little better, but I don't think I could forget that I'm wearing it, even when it's not hot.



No . I'm a seamstress and made myself a bunch of cloth masks when the pandemic first reared its ugly head. People poo-poo "cloth" masks, but "cloth" is a generic term that can mean all kinds of things. Certainly a cotton bandana provides little to no protection, but other types of cloth masks do.

Mine are an outside layer of tightly woven cotton with an inner layer of double-woven black-out fabric. If I pour water into them, as I did when testing the fabric before I made them, it just sits there and only drains through really slowly. They fit well with no gaps, they are soft, not stiff, and I carry a bunch of them with me in my car, so if I have to go into a bunch of places on a trip into town, I can switch out to clean ones. Then I just wash them. Or sometimes leave them on the dashboard of my car in the baking hot sun.

surabi - 5-18-2022 at 09:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


Pic from one of those flights. Guess she didn't trust the hepa filters?




[Edited on 5-18-2022 by JZ]


Maybe she was like my friend who suited up far more than that to take an unavoidable flight. She had gone through breast cancer, a double mastectomy, then colon cancer. Multiple chemo treatments and radiation. Not exactly Miss Strong Immune System, and no, she wasn't going to trust the airline filtration system.
Maybe you should mind your own business and stop judging the actions of others whose lives you know nothing about.

surabi - 5-18-2022 at 11:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  


Maybe you should mind your own business and stop judging the actions of others whose lives you know nothing about.


Can you post a pic of you wearing your mask in the car?



That's your response to pointing out that poking fun at someone who may be going through cancer treatments for all you know, it is quite rude?

What a vile POS you are.

Lee - 5-19-2022 at 12:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  


Maybe you should mind your own business and stop judging the actions of others whose lives you know nothing about.


Can you post a pic of you wearing your mask in the car?



That's your response to pointing out that poking fun at someone who may be going through cancer treatments for all you know, it is quite rude?

What a vile POS you are.


You got his number. BINGO!

I use to react (inwardly, not outwardly) at someone driving by windows up, mask on, thinking WTF!!!! Posted that thought couple years ago.

Now I think prob something going on and I don't know what it is.

Like I keep saying, who cares? It's nobody's business except the person wearing the mask.

It's easy to poke fun of people when personal politics appear front and center. That's the conservative and Republican crowd who followed the former Loser and Draft Dodger from the WH who said it's an individual's choice, freedom first, and covid was more like a case of flu and not to be taken seriously.


surabi - 5-19-2022 at 03:18 PM

Yes, there are many reasons why a person might be seen driving alone in their car with a mask on. They may have just given a ride to someone who isn't vaxed and refused to wear a mask, and don't wish to breathe the possibly contaminated air now in their car. Or may be on their way to pick up grandma, who has health issues, so want to be respectful about her not getting into a car they have been breathing in maskless.

There are many highway intersections where I have to stop for red lights, every time I drive to the city an hour away, where hawkers of all types of goods run up to my window maskless, talking loudly in my face- I will pop a mask on as I am approaching those intersections if the light is red, removing it when I drive away.

Or someone might be driving just a couple of blocks from one store to another, and not bother to remove the mask, only to have to put it back on again a few minutes later.

Making assumptions about why some stranger is doing what they are doing is ridiculous.

charliemanson - 6-18-2022 at 10:50 PM

Update from laboratory in La Paz

Many more cases coming in from hotel workers, restaurant staff and people working in supermarkets in the last week.

Just FYI.

I know many here on this site denounce the wearing of masks, for what ever reason, but Mexicans still are wearing masks EVERYWHERE as it is perhaps a cultural thing, or they are trying not to bring home the virus to an elder that is compromised ( lots of obesity and diabetes here). So, Please respect them by wearing a mask, if not only to protect them, but to not trample over their ideas and way of life.

I/we have been shopping in the markets, and the ONLY people not wearing masks are gringos. Granted, white and sunburned. Local gringos appear to be fitting in well and wearing masks.

So, beyond political BS. Just wear a flocking mask when you come down Gracis y por favor!

mtgoat666 - 6-18-2022 at 10:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson  
Update from laboratory in La Paz

Many more cases coming in from hotel workers, restaurant staff and people working in supermarkets in the last week.

Just FYI.

I know many here on this site denounce the wearing of masks, for what ever reason, but Mexicans still are wearing masks EVERYWHERE as it is perhaps a cultural thing, or they are trying not to bring home the virus to an elder that is compromised ( lots of obesity and diabetes here). So, Please respect them by wearing a mask, if not only to protect them, but to not trample over their ideas and way of life.

I/we have been shopping in the markets, and the ONLY people not wearing masks are gringos. Granted, white and sunburned. Local gringos appear to be fitting in well and wearing masks.

So, beyond political BS. Just wear a flocking mask when you come down Gracis y por favor!


Covid kills. Practicing good hygiene and sound public health protections makes sense.

Majority of gringos are idiots. Of course, I could care less if members of that majority die of covid due to their own idiocy :lol::lol:

Gringo friends recently went to Mexico on vacation. All 3 got covid, one got hospitalized. All 3 were the type of gringo that ignores public health measures, blunders about unmasked, licking door knobs. I think after experiencing being hospitalized in Mexico with pneumonia they got a bit of sanity and started to take covid a bit more seriously.


[Edited on 6-19-2022 by mtgoat666]

surfhat - 6-19-2022 at 12:15 PM

Charliemanson, a slight correction to your many here claim.

In fact, it is a very select few here who espouse ignoring the science of those who actually know better than themselves.

Good luck on trying to influence these miscreants to be better citizens for themselves and others. Me, me, me, me. Don't even think about treading on me and my rights to be what and who I want to be during the unending pandemic.

It is unending. We all have to learn to live with this new paradigm.

I question why after so many years on this forum, certain members appeared to have become unleashed and unhinged by the pandemics constrictions on their imagined liberties to be ugly Americans.

I am prepared to be quoted again so have at it. I know who and what you are.

For the the majority of others here who know better, well, majority does not rule the day and we will have to live with that. I do my best to ignore them but once in a while I am driven to respond to their ongoing never-ending dis mis information.

Just wait, the usual suspects will call me out. The impulse is too much for them to resist.

Thankfully we have others who will call them out as they so richly deserve and to them, my eternal respect for at least trying for the all the good it will do. Happy Fathers Day to all and I graciously mean all here. Happy Summer Solstice in a couple of days.

My Midsummer Nights Dream would simply be that a few here would be better humans. We are all going through the same difficult times, yet it is hard to see the simpatico that is clearly lacking for a small majority on this site.

Peace, love and caring for others with some fish tacos thrown in.





JZ - 6-19-2022 at 12:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surfhat  
Charliemanson, a slight correction to your many here claim.

In fact, it is a very select few here who espouse ignoring the science of those who actually know better than themselves.

Good luck on trying to influence these miscreants to be better citizens for themselves and others. Me, me, me, me. Don't even think about treading on me and my rights to be what and who I want to be during the unending pandemic.

It is unending. We all have to learn to live with this new paradigm.

I question why after so many years on this forum, certain members appeared to have become unleashed and unhinged by the pandemics constrictions on their imagined liberties to be ugly Americans.

I am prepared to be quoted again so have at it. I know who and what you are.

For the the majority of others here who know better, well, majority does not rule the day and we will have to live with that. I do my best to ignore them but once in a while I am driven to respond to their ongoing never-ending dis mis information.

Just wait, the usual suspects will call me out. The impulse is too much for them to resist.

Thankfully we have others who will call them out as they so richly deserve and to them, my eternal respect for at least trying for the all the good it will do. Happy Fathers Day to all and I graciously mean all here. Happy Summer Solstice in a couple of days.

My Midsummer Nights Dream would simply be that a few here would be better humans. We are all going through the same difficult times, yet it is hard to see the simpatico that is clearly lacking for a small majority on this site.

Peace, love and caring for others with some fish tacos thrown in.



The cure needs to fit the disease, otherwise it can be as harmful as the disease.

This fact drives the thinking of many.

surfhat - 6-19-2022 at 01:17 PM

You must be aware of the understanding of the term 'novel' used in this pandemic. That should say enough. Novel.

That we have vaccines at all comes from decades of research. Novel.

That we can now have new vaccines created in a relatively short time is due to decades of research. It was never said that no one would get sick with these vaccines. It was expressly stated that if one caught it, they would fair far better and avoid hospitalization in many cases.

That is good enough for me for a 'novel' virus. Novel. Contemplate that meaning if you can.

What drives your thinking after decades on this forum?

JZ - 6-19-2022 at 01:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surfhat  
You must be aware of the understanding of the term 'novel' used in this pandemic. That should say enough. Novel.

That we have vaccines at all comes from decades of research. Novel.

That we can now have new vaccines created in a relatively short time is due to decades of research. It was never said that no one would get sick with these vaccines. It was expressly stated that if one caught it, they would fair far better and avoid hospitalization in many cases.

That is good enough for me for a 'novel' virus. Novel. Contemplate that meaning if you can.

What drives your thinking after decades on this forum?


I'm pro-vax, yet anti-mandate and anti-lock down.

Freedom and common sense drive my thinking.

willardguy - 6-19-2022 at 07:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


Practicing good hygiene and sound public health protections makes sense.

Majority of gringos are idiots. Of course, I could care less if members of that majority die of covid due to their own idiocy :lol::lol:



We saw Rod Stewart and Cheap Trick last night in Santa Barbara. Show was fantastic. Forever Young was probably the best song. I'll send you a couple videos you can watch in the basement, just make sure you are wearing your masks.



[Edited on 6-19-2022 by JZ]


so that was you up on that lady's shoulders squealing like a fourteen year old girl at Cheap Trick??

[Edited on 6-20-2022 by willardguy]

mtgoat666 - 6-20-2022 at 12:43 PM

Many people in baja still practicing proper public health measures to avoid being infected or transmitting disease. Todays article from NYT is informative… and almost everyday i get reports from friends and coworkers saying they got covid. It’s raging!

Covid Cases Surge, but Deaths Stay Near Lows

Covid is still killing an average of 314 people daily, one-tenth the number who were dying every day in January 2021, but, even so, an awful toll. At that rate, the virus is killing more than twice as many Americans every day as suicide or car crashes are. And many of those who survive the virus are debilitated, some of them for long after their infections.

With the country’s resources for fighting the virus drying up and many Americans forgoing booster shots, the decoupling of cases and deaths may not last. Immunity will wane and a more evasive variant could cut into people’s residual protection against severe disease.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/health/covid-deaths-plate...


SFandH - 6-22-2022 at 04:56 AM

I read a report yesterday about increasing infections in northern BC. It also said there are few hospitalizations. It seems to me that the current COVID variations are more infectious but less virulent.

Alm - 6-23-2022 at 12:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Todays article from NYT is informative… and almost everyday i get reports from friends and coworkers saying they got covid. It’s raging!

Covid Cases Surge, but Deaths Stay Near Lows

Covid is still killing an average of 314 people daily, one-tenth the number who were dying every day in January 2021, but, even so, an awful toll.

January 2022 was same bad. When arrival of Omicron coupled with Christmas gatherings and lifted restrictions resulted in a huge spike of hospitalizations and deaths. Hospitalizations set a new record. Deaths - delayed by 1 month, peaked in February 2022 - were almost as high as in January 2021.

[Edited on 6-23-2022 by Alm]

surabi - 6-23-2022 at 05:29 PM

And just in case anyone is interested, the Mexican infection rate has been climbing by over 9,000 new infections per day in the past week. From Tuesday to Wed., the count is up 9,891 to 76,004 doccumented Covid cases. And the new Omicron variants, which you can be sure will soon be here, if they aren't already, are more virulent, not less. They go deeper into the lungs amd are making people far sicker than the straight Omicron.

SFandH - 6-23-2022 at 08:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
And the new Omicron variants, which you can be sure will soon be here, if they aren't already, are more virulent, not less. They go deeper into the lungs amd are making people far sicker than the straight Omicron.


I think this contradicts what you wrote but I'm not sure what variants you're talking about.

Published today:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01730-y

JDCanuck - 6-23-2022 at 08:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
And the new Omicron variants, which you can be sure will soon be here, if they aren't already, are more virulent, not less. They go deeper into the lungs amd are making people far sicker than the straight Omicron.


I think this contradicts what you wrote but I'm not sure what variants you're talking about.

Published today:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01730-y


That article seems to lead to the conclusion that we definitely need to strengthen our treatment protocols, as well as increase the staffing of facilities it can be accomplished in. Countries that have focused on expanding treatment seem to be doing far better in case fatality rates.

BajaBlanca - 6-23-2022 at 09:06 PM

My graduated student's girlfriend in a doctor in La Paz. I am going to ask how hospitalizations are doing.

surabi - 6-23-2022 at 09:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
And the new Omicron variants, which you can be sure will soon be here, if they aren't already, are more virulent, not less. They go deeper into the lungs amd are making people far sicker than the straight Omicron.


I think this contradicts what you wrote but I'm not sure what variants you're talking about.

Published today:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01730-y



'The UK Health Security Agency is also monitoring BA.5.1 - an offshoot of BA.5 - and the BA.2.12.1 subvariant, which remains the dominant strain in the US.
"It looks as though these things are switching back to the more dangerous form of infection, so going lower down in the lung," Dr Stephen Griffin, a virologist at the University of Leeds, told the Guardian.

In response to whether the virus is on the verge of turning into the common cold, he added: "It clearly isn’t, and there’s no pressure on it to do that, really." '


SFandH - 6-23-2022 at 10:48 PM

That's too bad. It was about this time last year that the delta variant took off. We'll see what happens as people head indoors for summer AC.

JZ - 6-23-2022 at 11:16 PM

Why do so many ppl on here root for the virus.

surabi - 6-24-2022 at 09:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Why do so many ppl on here root for the virus.



And why do you think that blind denial and saying "Covid is over" means it is?

Covid infection stats for Mexico Thursday, June 23:

Nacional UP 10,848 to 86,852

Alm - 6-24-2022 at 04:42 PM

From the article: "The BA.4 and BA.5 subvariants are spiking globally because they can spread faster than other circulating variants — mostly BA.2, which caused a surge in cases at the beginning of the year".

This doesn't sound good. Spike at the beginning of the year dwarfed all the previous spikes, 20% more hospitalizations than in January 2021 that Mtgoat wrote about. Mostly because it was more infectious, i.e. spreading faster.

charliemanson - 6-24-2022 at 05:18 PM

Back from “cool“ mini vacation to pacific.
Noticed my post regarding covid was deleted by the administrator.

Then I see a thread on “ why is there nobody here“ hummm?

Well, if this doesn't get deleted, the amount of Covid showing up in our laboratory has risen almost 70% in the past week. Still mainly, food service, hotel and tourist workers.

Not to place blame on anyone, but these numbers directly correlate with the tourism industry.
being that the majority of the tourists are from the US, it is fare to say that people from the US are bringing it here.

To ask, many on this board, about 10, as I can see, please be respectful of people here and for god sakes quit passing on your rancid pro trump policy“s on this country. We don't like it and it is causing people here damage.
Gracis

charliemanson - 6-24-2022 at 06:46 PM

We here depend on others to be normal human beings that do the right thing. If there is a “mandate“ and you don't like it...then don't come. Stay where you are comfortable with your govt required mandates, like not being drunk and driving, wearing shirts at restaurants and 100 old normal “ mandates“ that you all have up there.
Sorry, but wearing a mask here is a sign of respect and not the political BS that some feel is hurting their freedom...
What to go to abortion now...JZ?

mtgoat666 - 6-24-2022 at 07:45 PM

Here in sun diego friends n neighbors left n right are getting covid…
Surge is real!

No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service!

[Edited on 6-25-2022 by mtgoat666]

pacificobob - 6-24-2022 at 08:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson  
Back from “cool“ mini vacation to pacific.
Noticed my post regarding covid was deleted by the administrator.

Then I see a thread on “ why is there nobody here“ hummm?

Well, if this doesn't get deleted, the amount of Covid showing up in our laboratory has risen almost 70% in the past week. Still mainly, food service, hotel and tourist workers.

Not to place blame on anyone, but these numbers directly correlate with the tourism industry.
being that the majority of the tourists are from the US, it is fare to say that people from the US are bringing it here.

To ask, many on this board, about 10, as I can see, please be respectful of people here and for god sakes quit passing on your rancid pro trump policy“s on this country. We don't like it and it is causing people here damage.
Gracis


Well said charlie

RFClark - 6-24-2022 at 08:41 PM

Quoted from The Baja Sun!

“According to information provided by the State Health and Safety Council, Los Cabos is currently the municipality with the second highest number of infections as approximately 37 cases are registered daily in the area.

La Paz is occupying first place which has roughly 88 cases reported per day, while Mulegé comes third with around 26 per day. However just last year, the south of the country saw daily figures of over a hundred cases per 24 hours and around 15 deaths, so the situation is much improved.

The Health and Safety Council also provided information that the number of people hospitalised in the past week due to Covid has risen to 2, while the previous week saw 10 hospitalizations.

On a positive note, they commented that the number of deaths has not risen, remaining at 1012 which has been steady for some time. The dedicated Covid-19 website for the Baja California Sur region states that on Tuesday afternoon, there were 425 active Covid cases, however this includes those recovering from previously reported infections.

In comparison to June 2021, Los Cabos was at the height of the pandemic crises, seeing more than 1700 infections, 175 hospitalisations and 548 deaths. At the time, there were approximately 31 deaths caused by the virus in just two days.”

JZ - 6-24-2022 at 09:38 PM

My kid just went down to Cabo last week with 50 people from his graduating class. They had a blast.

I don't know anyone who thinks about Covid anymore.

Let's be real, the 95 year old Queen got it and had cold-like symptoms.

As Andy famously said to Red: "Get Busy Livin' or Get Busy Dyin'". Living in fear in the basement is no way to live.





[Edited on 6-25-2022 by JZ]

Alm - 6-24-2022 at 09:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  

On a positive note, they commented that the number of deaths has not risen, remaining at 1012 which has been steady for some time. The dedicated Covid-19 website for the Baja California Sur region states that on Tuesday afternoon, there were 425 active Covid cases, however this includes those recovering from previously reported infections.

In comparison to June 2021, Los Cabos was at the height of the pandemic crises, seeing more than 1700 infections, 175 hospitalisations and 548 deaths. At the time, there were approximately 31 deaths caused by the virus in just two days.”

This site says 2700 active cases as of Thursday June 23, click on Baja Sur: https://datos.covid-19.conacyt.mx/. 6-fold increase in 2 days, can it be?

Deaths are delayed by 3-4 weeks. With the rise in cases - and especially in hospitalizations - deaths will follow the trend. In the US they now are saving more patients, more drugs to use at early stages, this could keep deaths down TAD. In Mexico they miss early stage often, locals don't have money to pay and govt won't test for free without serious symptoms - at least, used to be the case.

surabi - 6-25-2022 at 12:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
My kid just went down to Cabo last week with 50 people from his graduating class. They had a blast.

I don't know anyone who thinks about Covid anymore.

Let's be real, the 95 year old Queen got it and had cold-like symptoms.

As Andy famously said to Red: "Get Busy Livin' or Get Busy Dyin'". Living in fear in the basement is no way to live.





[Edited on 6-25-2022 by JZ]


Real proud of raising and encouraging your offspring to be self-centered jerks, aren't you? You bragged about him going to the Dominican Republic and having a blast with his college chums not long ago, too. More disrespectful Americans spreading Covid around the world.

You don't know anyone who thinks about Covid anymore because you obviously only associate with stupid, self-absorbed, head-in-the-sand right wingers such as yourself.

And no matter how many times you repeat the myth, no one has been hiding in their basement. We just follow sensible precautions when out and about, so as not to contract nor spread the virus. The only people who seemed to be scared, are those who appear to be afraid of wearing a mask (what's the matter, think it makes you look like a wimp?) or getting vaccinated.

mtgoat666 - 6-25-2022 at 12:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
My kid just went down to Cabo last week with 50 people from his graduating class. They had a blast.

I don't know anyone who thinks about Covid anymore.


Shorty:
Friend went to Mexico on vacation last month and got hospitalized with covid / pneumonia, spent 4 days in hospital on oxygen with iv drugs/fluids. Flew home sucking on an oxygen tank.

Don’t know anyone thinking about covid? How about the 1M gringos who died from covid? I bet their families still think about covid,… as well as the many millions of other people that aren’t a$$hats like you.

RFClark - 6-25-2022 at 12:47 PM

Surabi,

You might want to remember which Country spread COVID in the first place and has spent the last couple of years trying to deny it! Hint! It wasn’t the US!

RFClark - 6-25-2022 at 12:53 PM

Goat,

You still haven’t expressed any outrage about the guy in the WH still not doing anything about the 480K a year (about a million) who have died from tobacco products on his watch that government collects taxes on ($11/pack) or outright sells in some states and on military bases!

gnukid - 6-25-2022 at 07:51 PM

24 de junio half of covid deaths are hypertension

Mapa de covid-19 en México: Casi la mitad de personas que han muerto padecían hipertensión

https://www.msn.com/es-mx/noticias/mexico/mapa-de-covid-19-e...

Alrededor de 44.20 por ciento de las personas que han muerto por coronavirus padecían hipertensión, siendo esta la comorbilidad más presente entre los fallecimientos, de acuerdo con datos de la Secretaría de Salud recogidos por la UNAM.

Casos activos covid-19, 24 de junio.
© Proporcionado por Milenio
Casos activos covid-19, 24 de junio.
A la hipertensión le siguen la diabetes, con presencia en 36.70 por ciento de las muertes, la obesidad, con 20.70 por ciento, y el tabaquismo, con 7.39 por ciento.

Casos de covid-19 por estados

La Ciudad de México, junto con el Estado de México, se mantienen como los estados con mayor número casos activos, mientras que Chiapas y Tlaxcala son los que menos infecciones registran.

Por otro lado, el estado con mayor tasa de incidencia de casos activos estimados es Baja California Sur, donde hay 285 casos por cada 100 mil habitantes.

​Hasta el último corte, se estiman 102 mil 737 casos activos en el país. La tasa de incidencia de infecciones acumuladas es de 4 mil 564.5 por cada 100 mil habitantes a nivel nacional y la tasa de casos activos es de 78.76 por cada 100 mil habitantes.

En Ciudad de México hay 31 mil 230 contagios activos estimados; le siguen el Estado de México (9 mil 530), Nuevo León (6 mil 476), Sinaloa (5 mil 706) y Quintana Roo (4 mil 403).

En contraparte, Chiapas se mantiene como el estado con menos casos activos al registrar 72, seguido de Tlaxcala (252), Guerrero (414), Morelos (432) y Michoacán (470).


La Secretaría de Salud informó que la tasa de mortalidad por coronavirus a nivel nacional se estima en 250.2 por cada 100 mil habitantes. A nivel estatal, la Ciudad de México tiene la mayor tasa de mortalidad a causa del covid-19, con 476 defunciones por cada 100 mil habitantes.


Alm - 6-25-2022 at 09:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  

And no matter how many times you repeat the myth, no one has been hiding in their basement. We just follow sensible precautions

...and no matter how many times you and others explain that the virus is real, thousands in intensive care, masking and distancing work if you do it - he'll be playing same broken record: "Why do so many ppl on here root for the virus" :).

Relax, he is just trolling.

surabi - 6-25-2022 at 09:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Surabi,

You might want to remember which Country spread COVID in the first place and has spent the last couple of years trying to deny it! Hint! It wasn’t the US!


What relevance does that have to people ignoring precautions, and acting like Covid is "over" and spreading it around NOW? Just another "Look over there!" defection, which your ilk excel at. Pandemics start somewhere, but only jerks don't give a ff if they continue to spread it around.

RFClark - 6-25-2022 at 09:41 PM

Surabi,

Americans aren’t the only ones who travel, there are lots of Canadians and others in BCS! Americans weren't even the first to spread COVID by traveling. What Americans were first at was getting large numbers of doses of COVID vaccine out to the world! BCS could test everyone flying into La Paz or Cabo and charge them for the test! Please note that they don’f!

I’m happy to repost the CDC study showing that most of the common masks do little or nothing to stop the spread of COVID! BTW, have you noticed how many fewer people are getting sick while visiting BCS now that good sanitary procedures are finely being followed in BCS!

SFandH - 6-25-2022 at 09:44 PM

Here's the NYT latest summary for COVID in the United States

22 June

With daily cases largely flat throughout the month of June, the national outlook remains stable in the United States, though there are fluctuations attributable to delays in Covid reporting over summer holidays.

Many states did not report Covid data over the Juneteenth holiday weekend. Still, the number of new known cases announced each day in the U.S. remains close to 100,000.

The country’s cases have remained relatively steady even as some regions have seen increasing caseloads and others have seen conditions improve. In the Northeast and Midwest, for instance, known cases have been declining for weeks. States like Vermont and Massachusetts are now seeing daily case counts on par with those seen in early March, before a spring surge began.

In the South and West, however, cases are increasing. Cases in Mississippi have more than doubled since the start of the month.

Hospitalizations are largely unaffected by delays in official reporting over holidays, and they have remained steady in recent weeks. Around 30,000 people are in American hospitals with coronavirus on an average day — a figure that has stayed mostly consistent since the start of the month.

Daily deaths from Covid also remain level. Roughly 300 deaths are currently announced each day, a fraction of the thousands seen daily during the winter Omicron peak.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html




[Edited on 6-26-2022 by SFandH]

SFandH - 6-25-2022 at 09:48 PM

And for Mexico:

25 June

An average of 10,070 cases per day were reported in Mexico in the last week. Cases have increased by 121 percent from the average two weeks ago. Deaths have decreased by 8 percent.

In BC cases are up 84% over the past two weeks
In BCS cases are up 63% over the past two weeks

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/mexico-covid-...


[Edited on 6-26-2022 by SFandH]

[Edited on 6-26-2022 by SFandH]

surabi - 6-25-2022 at 10:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Surabi,

Americans aren’t the only ones who travel, there are lots of Canadians and others in BCS! Americans weren't even the first to spread COVID by traveling. What Americans were first at was getting large numbers of doses of COVID vaccine out to the world! BCS could test everyone flying into La Paz or Cabo and charge them for the test! Please note that they don’f!

I’m happy to repost the CDC study showing that most of the common masks do little or nothing to stop the spread of COVID! BTW, have you noticed how many fewer people are getting sick while visiting BCS now that good sanitary procedures are finely being followed in BCS!


Why you think you need to tell me the obvious? Of course not only Americans travel nor travel to Baja. But as far as Canadians go, not only does Canada have a higher vaccination rate than the US, the majority of Canadians are also more willing to mask and take precautions.

And you are absolutely wrong about masks not being effective to cut down on transmission. There are tons of scientific studies that make it quite clear that masking, if done correctly, is vital in stopping virus particles from spewing out to infect others, and to also protect the wearer. It's also common sense, which seems to be in short supply these days.

Of course, some thin porous bandana tied around one's face, or wearing an ill-fitting mask that gaps, or wearing it under one's nose is absurd.

And Mexico's lack of testing or vaccination requirements to enter the country has been idiotic.

BTW, using exclamation marks after every sentence doesn't make what you say important or correct.

[Edited on 6-26-2022 by surabi]

RFClark - 6-25-2022 at 10:38 PM

Surabi,

Argue with the CDC, it’s their study not mine! So why no testing if so many infected tourists are coming to BCS seems like common sense? BTW I’m in favor of all sick people being required to wear real masks correctly!

JDCanuck - 6-26-2022 at 06:26 AM

RFClark; Anyone I know of up here who thinks they have had Omicron or may have been exposed continue to wear masks when out in public. Otherwise, except for those who feel they are at extra risk we are back to normal. Exceptions are some health care facilities ask you to wear a mask when entering. Life is good, and everyone seems pretty satisfied.
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