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David K - 8-7-2012 at 09:52 AM

It becomes obvious when you go to Playa Buenaventura and see things personally. David (elinvestig8r), just go... talk with the victims (Mark and Olivia), talk to the unpaid employees of Muñoz living in the empty shell of his former hotel on the beach... do some investigating!

Sandlefoot - 8-7-2012 at 10:05 AM

As with the media, It is not what is reported that is fact, it is what is repeated the becomes fact. Kinda familiar???

Happy Trails

ramuma53 - 8-17-2012 at 11:57 AM

To all Nomads who believed and not.

My last Buenaventura employees were freed today without charges, every one of the Buenaventura employees are free and with absolutely no criminal charges, demonstrating that we are not the criminals and that we acted inside the law exercising our right to defend my private property.

The Estate authorities and courts tried to put in jail innocent people but their ruling was downturned by the Federal courts overlooking them in every case, with absolutely no exceptions and this prove me right and Olivia Higuera Aguilar and Nark wrong, this is legal true not subjected to doubt by anybody, except La Vaquera advocates of course.

In the case of my security chef, Alan, the one holding the gun on Olivia’s face, he was released without charges, but the local judge violating the Federal judge order retained the right to offer new legal proof but this violation is being corrected today.

As a corollary to these sad events, we just witnessed the illegal act of the Estate authorities who tried to protect against the law a drug dealer named Olivia Higuera Aguilar alias La Vaquera and Mark Jerome Buerbey alias Nark the child molester.

Of course the La vaquero advocates will say what they are used to say and downplay this legal events, but let me offer the following newspaper article as base to what I have been saying for months here:

:fire: http://www.cronica.com.mx/celular/nota.php?id_nota=683148
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El Nacional page 8 Justice and Security section by Pedro Juarez Mejia La Paz B.C.S.
Estate Police agents receive $2000.00 pesos and Commanders $4000.00 pesos per week from the Sinaloa Cartel to protect the drug retailers, say in a letter provided to the Estate press, the Estate policeman denounce corruption among the top high police command.
Through a letter that arrived to the Estate Press, written and electronic with estate coverage, Estate Policeman agents that belong to the Estate preemptive police PEP accuse the Estate Police high command of corruption inside the police institution.
The letter:
“… Through the letter and directed to the open expression avenues, a Estate Policeman majority group, want to express our inconformity and deep worry and bad sentiment toward the new PEP high command designated by Lic. Alvaro de la Peña and Francisco Javier Diaz Olivarria (Lenin Ex bodyguard the Ex Security director from the last PRD Estate administration) the General director to URI, Arturo Olvera Garcia, who among us, presume that during the last Estate Administration with Lenin Rodriguez in charge of the Estate Security, he himself executed and disappeared Juan Carlos Perez El CACACHI, and he also was in charge of the Narc retailers negotiation and protection in La Paz and Los Cabos …” say the letter in its first paragraph.
….. Actually in this administration, the high Estate Police command is composed of Estate Police commanders who were in the LENIN RODRIGUEZ deep confidence, how have a hold of the New Estate Police and who continue to provide information to Lenin, the same as to the Sub Director Francisco Javier Olivarria, Arturo Olvera Garcia, Baltazar Muñoz Jaimes, Salvador Diaz Moreno and Paulino Martinez de la Cruz. The worst part is that, the people appointed by the Estate Security Director Alvaro Peña, made protection deals with the Sinaloa Cartel who operate the organized crime in La Paz in two cells, the named South zone whose organized crime chief is a man named ALEX who operate and sell drugs in the city, from Colosio Street, south, towards San Pedro and the North Zone operated by a man named Ruben from Colosio street toward downtown and following cities….”, the letter say.
The letter accuse that Estate Police commander Arturo Olvera Garcia, who orderl the Estate policeman, where they should patrol and what they should do if they stop a car and people who deal drugs with official authorization, those drug dealers immediately call their boos and immediately the organized crime boos call our Estate Police chief, Arturo Olvera Garcia, who the drug dealers know and their boss also know as “El dentes de fierro steel tooth or el Chilango; the passwords the narcs use, to identify themselves as protected by the police, change constantly and our police commander, tell us every time the password change, so we know the actual password the narks use, as an example they said they worked for El Gavilan then Doble Zero, Moreno and actually they tell us the password is diputado (congressman) so we the Estate policeman know that they are authorized to deal drugs and have a permit to deal and they are not free drug dealers agents, who are the ones who the Estate Police arrest and are sent to the Federal District attorney and Federal Police and the ones whose cases are publicized to the press as police work…” say the letter.
They say that those people are the ones arrested and sent to the District attorney with the drugs and money confiscated. Also, accuse that to the dirty Estate policeman the organized crime people pay them $2000.00 pesos and $4000.00 a week to the Estate police commanders.
The Estate Police commander Arturo Olvera call us by phone when we stop a non authorized drug dealer named “Pucha” and if we do not confiscate the drugs and the drug money from sales, we are the ones arrested or punished and now we are irritated about this situation, that obviously we were not taught at the Estate Police academy; the estate policeman who are dirty get $2000.00 a week and the commanders $4000.00 a week and up from that to the upper Estate Police command we can imagine, and this fact our own police partners say to us coinciding with what the narc dealers say to us when we catch them and have to let them go; The worst part is that the Estate Policeman who refuse to accept the money or that are not in their confidence, are sent to the streets to patrol without a weapon or are sent to security houses without a patrol car, without a weapon and without a radio….”.
They say that they are being disappointed by the PEP.
…. The majority of us as new Estate Policeman who belong to the Estate Police are very disappointed about this situation and we decided to denounce it to the press because we had other and different expectative about the work and its future. Beyond the $70,000 pesos we received for finishing the Estate Police academy course….”
On the letter that was published on some communication channels with estate coverage, the Estate Policeman asks for the Estate Governor Marcos Covarruvias Villaseñor intervention.
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As you see, even the Estate policeman corroborate what I have been saying for months, Baja South Estate, when the actual Estate Governor took office, they sold the Estate justice department to the Sinaloa Cartel and started protecting the drug dealers like La Vaquera and Nark in a very active way, going to the point of prosecuting innocent people who oppose the drug dealers like me and my hotel employees.

This is going to be a tough one to refute for the La Vaquera advocates, but we know that when they cannot deny something, they just go around, just watch them.

This come to prove that since this Estate government that belongs to the PAN political party took office, the once safe South Baja estate, just became as unsafe as the border estates and this is becoming widely accepted.
From this experience, we can share with you this information that will enlighten you if you become involved with a drug dealer neighbor:

The Estate District attorney, the Estate police director and the Estate court president belong to the Sinaloa Cartel and are dedicated to serve them, even breaking every law there is, don’t minding if they put innocent people in jail to facilitate the drug dealer’s work.

The South Baja justice system, act in coordination with North Baja justice system toward the same goals.

The drug dealers and traffickers like La Vaquera and Nark are being protected not only passively allowing them impunity, now with this Estate Government, the Estate courts, Estate Police and justice department are used to clean their way and allow them to expand and commit crimes with absolute impunity and free of any obstacle.
Just be advsed not to become an obstacle to any drug dealer in North or South Baja Estates or be prepared to suffer the justice system attack all the way.

[Edited on 8-17-2012 by ramuma53]

Cypress - 8-17-2012 at 12:16 PM

:no:;D;D Here we go again:yes: ramuma53? And it all makes perfect sense.. If you can make sense out of nonsense, an impossible proposition.:yes:;D

ramuma53 - 8-17-2012 at 12:42 PM

Cypress
The first Nark advocate to comply with the nosense to fight sense, you just won the first advocate to comply with prediticon price:bounce:

thebajarunner - 8-17-2012 at 03:07 PM

Raffy- been ten whole days without you,
We were getting worried that one of your clients had taken you "deep sea fishing"

ramuma53 - 8-18-2012 at 03:40 PM

thebajarunner
Don't worry, acording to your photo, you are the one who are used to go very deep to get what you want, certainly I am not your bad kind.
You are all acting exactly as predicted, when you can not refute something, you dishonestly just dance arround

[Edited on 8-18-2012 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 8-18-2012 at 03:50 PM

Nark's and La Vaquera's advocates
Now that all my people are out without any charges, that I have demostrated that the Estate governments is on the narks payroll, what can you offer that may be os service to all Nomads????????????????????????????

Have you tought that you have been making fun about 6 people who were illegally jailed and who are now out without a single charge because it was demostrated that they commited absolutely no crime at all.?????

Have you any comment about the Estate government charade about trying to jail me and being unable to do so?????

Have you at decency enough to act in an honest way at leats once????

Nomads are listening:smug:

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-18-2012 at 04:32 PM


Lobsterman - 8-18-2012 at 06:16 PM

Rafael,

Now that you have got all the legal stuff behind you, what are your plans to re-open your hotel? When? That is a beautiful corner of the world you own.

David K - 8-18-2012 at 09:49 PM

It might be nice if he paid the workers he has hired back in March (who came from the mainland and are now stuck in the shell of a hotel on a beautiful beach)... They want to go home, but want their 4 months PAY!

If they have been paid since I was THERE, 3 weeks ago, disregard.

[Edited on 8-19-2012 by David K]

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-19-2012 at 07:07 AM

Rafael,

Once everything is settled and you have the grand opening, me and a few of my "infestigator friends" want to come down for a visit. Hopefully you will have your restaurant and bar up and running by then.

comitan - 8-19-2012 at 07:11 AM

Just because they are out of jail does not mean they are not guilty in my mind. Pictures do not lie.!!!!

Skipjack Joe - 8-19-2012 at 09:07 AM

Yes, I agree. Mr ramuma often confuses winning or losing with guilt and innocence.

Pescador - 8-19-2012 at 03:11 PM

I stopped by yesterday and the employees sure wish they could get paid so that they could buy some groceries. Some clean up going on but after years of neglect, it is going to take a long time especially if they are not getting paid.

ramuma53 - 8-20-2012 at 07:50 AM

Lobsterman
Nice to find an honest comment
My plans for the hotel are to first reconstruct all the damage inflicted by La Vaquera and Narc helped by the Estate judicial system.
Security is not that great now, but my employees are willing to do the rebuilding and hold off Olivia and Nark
We will take a few months in the rebuilding but we are planning on reopening for next Christmas season and completely for Semana Santa maybe even with 40 working rooms for that date, added by the hotel restaurant and bar.

On Olivia and Nark side, that is the Federal justice system business, we can only denounce what is happening, but the problem now is at the international level and even Interpol is asking for information while Policia Judicial Federal Militar has already received what they asked for.

Our business is working the hotel and not allows the organized crime elements to occupy the zone.

My two last employees who were exonerated last Friday and the last to leave the Santa Rosalia jail want to return to work as soon as possible to the hotel because it is clear that the Justice department committed a crime against them and was not my fault or even my security chief, it was an abuse of official power the act that made them spend 6 months in jail letting them go without even an I am sorry.

It is clear that at this time, we have a repressive and criminal Estate justice management, but as we see, even the Estate police is denouncing the illegalities committed by the top ranks who are fully sold to the organized crime syndicate form Sinaloa, the cartel that sustain Oliva and Nark in business.

But the end is not that far and we are not helpless, we are finding a lot of help on the Federal Government and the human rights groups, even the international ones.

This estate government that belong to the PAN party going out of the Federal government, is going to be a short one, they were to be a 5 years government, not 6 as usual and they have spent already one, so they have 3 to go, but the last one is the political campaign and transition of power year so they can only hope to be in power for 2 more years and as I see, that is a high hope because the organized crime ties are becoming public and as soon as the new Federal government is in power, we can expect this estate government to collapse and the criminals go to jail and this time not as a public campaign.

We are in business for the long run, they are depending on short time influences and help form short liven government corrupt officials.

:!:To Nomads, we can only issue a warning concerning the actual estate governmet, they are not in the business of giving justice or administration, they are organized crime members in the business of protecting their own, so be very carefull.:!:

Also, just watch ans see how Mexico is going to return soon to a real justice system, eliminating those very obvious bad elements from the Estate government and estate justice system.:bounce:

ramuma53 - 8-20-2012 at 08:01 AM

David K
Obviously you are trying to protect my workers and that mean Antonio and if you ask him, he can tell you that he has been receiving money from me in a regular basis and that mean, that I do not own him 4 months wages, also he has been repairing the hotel and that mean that he also is receiving money for repairs and of course from me the owner.

Yes, we have uncleared payments, because he some times apply his wage to repairs and latter I repay him as soon as he give me the bills to pay.

Please, notice that he has been there for 6 months and that is impossible without recieivng money and he has been able to leave several times, the last one two weeks ago when Betty and Alan were there at the hotel with him.

Nice for you to worry about mexican workers but please first see the Olivia and Nark employees working conditions and talk to some of their past employees, becuse most of them end up on rehabilitation clinics and being a junky, I wonder why????

ramuma53 - 8-20-2012 at 10:29 AM

Comitan

Hope you never become a dictator or anything in Mexico or any place on earth, because you have a disregard for justice and I do not mean for the legal system that I agree stink.

You are talking about a picture in your mind, a picture that does not lie, but your concept of true or even legal is not right.

You are talking about the picture of Alan, my security chief pointing a shotgun to La Vaquera's face for sure.

That picture does not lie; he was pointing the gun at her, at night in the hotel grounds.

The picture does not lie, but let analyze the parts of the picture because pointing a gun is not illegal, if you are defending your property or your life or both:

I.- Clearly it has been demonstrated that Alan was there commissioned by the people leasing the hotel from me, the owner and that is why he is free and clear of any criminal charge.

II.- La Vaquera, a known criminal, with two demonstrated convictions and organized crime ties, fired a pepper spray gun at him, an illegal weapon in Mexico, that may have been used to take the gun from him putting his life in jeopardy; according to that, he was justified to not only point the gun at her, he was legally justified to fire the weapon at her, but he, exercising extraordinary control, did not fired at her, he just fired up in to the air where he was sure not to hit anybody but was making sure La Vaquera and Nark knew it would be suicidal to try to take the weapon from him.

III.- Olivia Higuera Aguilar alias La Vaquera and Mark Jerome Burbey alias Nark the child molester, were at the hotel grounds without authorization, during the night and were caught stealing and that situation authorize the legal use of weapons against them inside my property; the act of pointing a gun against them in that situation was not only legal but indispensable and more being them armed with illegal weapons.

IV.- The gun presence, is not an illegal act, because it was demonstrated that the gun is a legal gun, bought legally from the Defense department, with a valid permit from the Army and Federal Police and as you should know, in Mexico it is extremely hard to get one of those permits, those are only issued when the Army know that the person life is in danger because of known to them causes.

V.- The fact that after the photo and investigation, the Federal authorities found them not guilty of any crime, mean that what you are looking at in that photo, is exactly what I am telling you, otherwise, they would have been able to hold them on criminal charges, something that the Estate District attorney would have tried even going to illegalities and even being so mucho motivated, he was unable to find even a single criminal charge to be able to hold him or any one of my employees.

So, you must analyze a photo, but with an impartial view and taking in to account the context and acts that surround that photo, or you will make a mistake like the one you are making.
:D

ramuma53 - 8-20-2012 at 11:22 AM

Skipjakjoe

No, I do not confuse anything and you clearly are an advocate to organized crime.

I am clear on how I show proof to innocence or guilt, but I hardly see any kind of argument coming from La Vaquera or Nark the child molester, showing them as innocent or even demonstrating that my employees were guilty and if they were able to do that, for sure they would have done it through the District attorney and my employees would have never came out, they are free and without any charges and that demonstrate that my words are true and their words are false.

That also mean that my employees are not guilty and that La Vaquera is guilty but not being prosecuted and jailed and that must tell you a lot about the power of organized criminals that no other entity can show.

This also show why I call you an advocate to organized crime, because you never analyze anything, you just try to disqualify anything said against those criminals even when evidence is hittinh you on the face.

Doing that, you condone that 6 people spent 6 months in jail and then found not guilty of any crime and you have to consider that they were originally jailed for 30 days without any charge then charged with organized crime, aggravated robbery and stealing real estate and none of those charges were proven true in even a credible way, because we are in Mexico, with Roman rules, where you have to clearly demonstrate without a doubt that you are innocent before they drop the charges.

That mean, that your motivations to defend their position are not based on human care or reason, it is groundless and that only can mean that you have a hided reason that you cannot confess publicly. You simply ignore any kind of legal proof or reason and just continue to attack blindly and that tell us a lot about you and the quality of your comments and your comments are what we judge here.

Concerning the newspaper article that you conveniently forget

http://www.cronica.com.mx/celular/nota.php?id_nota=683148

We can see that the high Estate police command is dirty all the way to the top and also that on the lower echelons, the policeman are not used to that kind of corruption.

Just observe that as soon as the Estate governor took office, gun battles exploded on Los Cabos streets and innocent people started to be put in jail while criminals like La Vaquera and Nark the child molester are walking the streets even when they have been convicted of heavy crimes.

Certainly they were not exposed on the Estate news with photos showing them in chains even when convicted while they did exactly that when they detained me not on any crime, but just to oblige me to render testimony on a criminal case that was closed since 2009; then they violating a federal judge order, sent me to Baja North to render testimony on a 1997 cause that was already dead because of time limitation.

That is the kind of justice system that we have now in Baja South and now I am not the only one denouncing it, the majority of the Estate policemen are doing it publicly, I was only the first one and I would like to know your comment on that.

comitan - 8-20-2012 at 11:39 AM

ramuma53
I'm sorry you spent so much time with your explanation because it doesn't change my point of view.And before you make another post pertaining to me, nothing you can say will change my thoughts.

ramuma53 - 8-20-2012 at 11:52 AM

http://www.cronica.com.mx/celular/nota.php?id_nota=683148

The newspaper article has a last part that did not appear on my newspaper copy as you can see in my copy and the web page and was not translated, I do it here:

“… Today it is not easy being a policeman and less living and working in fright and fearing our superior’s complicity and corruption and their dishonest ways, because of that we are calling to the Governor Marcos Covarrubias will and criterion, so this does not continue to happen and that the own authority be the one who promote drugs and that organized crime continue to do their business as usual in Baja South and today we anonymously denounce for fear of reprisal. We hope the answer is favorable to our denouncing, if not, we will insist to the Federal authorities…”, end up the letter.
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“…ya no es fácil ser policía y menos vivir y trabajar amedrentados por la zozobra de la complicidad, la corrupción y la deshonestidad, de nuestros jefes, por lo que acudimos a la voluntad y criterio del Sr. Gobernador Marcos Covarrubias, para que esto no siga sucediendo y que no seamos la propia autoridad la que promueva la droga y que la delincuencia organizada siga haciendo de las suyas en Baja California Sur y hoy denunciamos de manera anónima por temor a represalias. Esperaremos que sea favorable la respuesta a la denuncia, si no insistiremos a otras instancia federales…”, concluye el documento.
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Sorry about the writing but that is also writen that way in spanish, it is not a translation deffect it is the own writing deffect.

comitan - 8-20-2012 at 11:59 AM

I think this is better! The complete document. Pedro Mejia Juarez in La Paz | National
08.14.2012 | Creation Time: 00:57:10 | Last modified: 00:57:10
Through a letter arrived in the media, both print and electronic, state coverage, agents of the State Preventive Police accuse of corruption within the law enforcement agencies.
"... Through this and following the open spaces of expression, a majority group of the State Preventive Police want to express our displeasure and deep concern and disappointment to the new controls that designate PEP Mr. Alvaro de la Pena, and Francisco Javier Díaz himself Olivarria ( Lennin former escort), the general manager of the URI, Arturo Olvera Garcia, who brags to us that in the administration of Lennin Rodriguez, was responsible for the disappearance and execution of Juan Carlos Pérez Cacachi and negotiation narcomenudistas protection to La Paz and Los Cabos .... "says the document in your first paragraph.
"... now are as commanders, pure people who were trusted Lennin Rodriguez, who have taken over the police and followed passing information as deputy himself Olivarria Francisco Javier Díaz, Arturo Olvera Garcia Muñoz Baltasar Jaimes, Paulino Salvador Díaz Moreno and Martinez de la Cruz. The seriousness of the matter is that the people who appointed the secretary Alvaro de la Pena, protection agreements made ​​with people of the Sinaloa Cartel operating in the city of La Paz with two cells in the Zona Sur, by a representative named Alex who operate and sell drugs on the street Colosio city from south of town to San Pedro and the North Zone by a person who calls Ruben Colosio street towards the city center and the other colonies ... "reads the letter.
denounce the commander Arturo Olvera Garcia gives keys people should not stop when they find selling drugs.
"... Arturo Olvera Garcia in charge, we designated the area of the city where we patrol and what we must do if we stop a vehicle and persons engaged in drug sales with permission, such vendors will instantly make your boss and this in turn will mark Arturo Olvera Garcia, to those vendors and the chief of these is known as the iron teeth or El Chilango, the keys with identified vendors are constantly changing and our commander tells us every time this happens so that we know the key, as mentioned earlier example that work for the hawk, then double zero, and currently Moreno mentioned the key "deputy" so we know that these are authorized and are not grasshoppers latter are so called because they have no police permit to operate and are as command to stop and federal MP and appear in the press as a result of police work ... "reads the document.
said that are delivered to the MP arrested when drugs and money from the sale. Also reported that agents are paid by the narco colluded two thousand dollars a week and four thousand to commanders.
"... Commander Arturo Olvera mark on the phone when we got to stop some" pucha "and if we take the drug or the proceeds of sale, we are punished or arrested, and we are tired of this situation which obviously we were not taught in the course of Creditable State Police, who are in collusion elements given the amount of 2,000 pesos weekly, commanders and 4,000 pesos weekly from here on we can imagine, as this will tell themselves the companions and narcomenudistas to stop and let go, the worst part is that many of those who do not give them money or refuse to receive it, bring us unarmed, in security services in homes without patrol, unarmed and without radio ... ".
They say they are disappointed by the PEP.
"... Most of us as new members of the State Preventive Police, we disappointed in all these situations and have decided to report it, as we had other expectations of work and very different development beyond the 70 thousand dollars we got for having established the course of Creditable ... State Police. "
In the letter that was published in some media coverage state, the complainants requested the intervention of Governor Marcos Covarrubias Villaseñor.
"... it's not easy being a cop and live and work less intimidated by the capsizing of complicity, corruption and dishonesty, our heads, so we turned to the will and judgment of the Governor Marcos Covarrubias, so this does not keep happening and that we are not the proper authority to promote the drug and organized crime continue to make mischief in Baja California Sur and today denounced anonymously for fear of reprisals. We will expect a favorable response to the complaint, if no other instance federal insist ... "concludes the document.



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[Edited on 8-20-2012 by comitan]

ramuma53 - 8-20-2012 at 12:15 PM

Comitan

I am not trying to change your mind, you were born with it and you are the one that will end up with it forever.

What I do, is to comment on what you are saying and letting other Nomads know what I think about what you think, that is all, miracles I cannot perform.

I do not have your limitations, because I have certainly changed my mind when someone offer a better argument and that is known as honesty in thought and I am sorry you are unable to do that, because that is an ability that differentiate us from animals, try it some time, it hurts a little but you will feel better afterward. More, you may feel an honest people.

Also, thanks for your translation, between the two, they will get the real meaning.

The last paragraph on your comments sharply disagree with what you say, I wonder why in this case you can not change your mind even when you recognize the changing of mind as a virtude.:?:

[Edited on 8-20-2012 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 8-21-2012 at 04:38 PM

Another issue worth commenting here is the whole experience and jail conditions in Baja.
WISDOM SAYS THAT A COUNTRY IS MEASURED BY HIS HUMANITY ON THEIR HANDLING OF THE MOST REPRESSED.

I had the experience of visiting the Santa Rosalia and Tijuana jails for a few of days each, waiting for them to allow me to render testimony on a case already closed in 2009, because I had already rendered it previously and showed my property title and possession documentation and to Tijuana kidnapped and for a 1997 case already extinct by time limitations.

The ordeal, started in Mexico City, where the Estate police detained me on a Thursday afternoon, then I had to wait until the South Baja estate policeman, arrived to conduct me to La Paz Baja California.

They arrived the next Monday and that mean I had to be detained for Friday, Saturday Sunday and they conducted me on Monday afternoon.

In Mexico city, the cell was big, lighted and with several seating and sleeping furniture, recently painted and clean, with a private bathroom included; they allowed me to have books and allowed me to make phone calls freely so you can say that those situations are good for a freedom deprivation facility.

On Monday, 3 South Baja Estate Policeman arrived to conduct me to La Paz B.C.S. and they seem friendly enough, commenting on the fact that they were conducting me to Baja just to render declaration and in the worst case posting bail; I was not sure about that, because I had been denouncing the Estate Police and District Attorney office complicity with the organized crime very openly and on my name, confident that I was in a civilized country.

They extorted $7,000.00 pesos from me to allow me sign a power of attorney, but at the end they just accepted $5,000.00 my attorney had in his pocket.

They conducted me to the airport and even invited me a sandwich and beverage; of course the $5,000.00 was enough to cover for that.

We flew to La Paz and when we arrived, all civilized pretentions were dropped, there were about 20 Estate policeman waiting for me, took me to an empty room and very roughly, obligated me to wear a bullet proof vest and put foot and hand chains on me and then, made a big show when coming out as if they had captured a big mafia boos; they had 10 police armed vehicles waiting for me out of the airport and took a lot of pictures for newspapers.

They conducted me to the District attorney office where the aid for the Estate Police Director (Hugo Paul Galindo, the one who invaded my hotel) obligated me by force me to give fingerprints, even under protest because I denied the permission to do that; there, excessive force was used for any motive, making clear that they had me under their power.

Then after a few hours chained and turned against a wall, they sent me to Santa Rosalia, with the Estate Police commander and a few other Estate policeman armed with rifles and without taking the hand and foot chains from me.

We arrived very late and they conducted me to the Santa Rosalia Estate Police office, where they took my name and medical examination. Then they conducted me to the Santa Rosalia Jail.

There they put me in one of a classical Mexican jail cell worst than in the movies, more a cave than a jail cell, where there was another detained guy from Mulege; there was no light, only the exterior lights, heat was extreme and humidity on the 98%; c-ckroaches were running all over the place, on the floor, walls and ceiling on an average of one every 4 square inches or more, included steel beds; bathroom facilities were a naked ceramic piece, completely covered in dirt while shower facilities were just a hole on the wall and the floor was filth covered by dirt and more filth.

I motivated the other guy and over the next days, we cleaned that cave until no c-ckroaches were visible during the day, all the trash was out and bathroom facilities were clean at least. The problem was that the humidity was so high that even at 44 degrees Fahrenheit, the water did not evaporated and took the whole day to dry at least in part, but at least it was clean.

3 days went like that, nights were a nightmare because of the hot weather that made me sweat constantly and sweat dripped constantly from our bodies and during the night we had to fight the c-ckroaches so they did not run over us.

The other detainees were in a worst position, because in front of our cell, there were 8 guys in a very small cell with space for 4 people.

Remember that those facilities are for people not sentenced and only waiting to be presented to the judge and that mean that those facilities are for people not yet guilty of any crime.

At 3 Am, the last day, they took me out of the jail cell and conducted me to an office, where they asked me to render testimony on my employees case, trying to incriminate me also, but I just conducted me with the true and did not reserved my rights to render declaration in writing because I knew they wanted that to try to incriminate me falsely as they did with my employees.

The Santa Rosalia jail, is a hell hole, where 36 guys are cramped on a 6 jail cell, human rights are simply not known there, living conditions are completely inhuman; the jail guards are nice people that try to make the best of the decrepit building, but they are unable to keep even the simplest of human minimal conditions available to detained people.

The next day, I was conducted to the courtroom where usually just a secretary take your statement, but in my case, there were 2 district attorneys, the judge and several guards; there I reviewed my file and showed them that my property title was already there, statements were already rendered and no new deposition was needed and that was all, but we noticed that the whole court building was surrounded by Estate policeman including the estate commander.

My attorney told me that he was not to post bail, because he feared that they were going to try to detain me again for another fictitious crime and he told the jail guards to be prepared to repel the Estate police in case that they tried to take me by force; with their guns on their hands they conducted me to the jail again to wait for me to pay bail leaving the Estate policeman powerless to detain me again at that time.

My attorney, asked the Santa Rosalia judge why they were trying to detain me again, and the judge told him, that if he wanted to see me again, better to take a picture form me, because I was about to disappear forever.

My attorneys asked the federal court for an amparo against illegal detention by the Estate police and an acts suspension was granted the next day; where the Federal judge forbade the Estate police from detain me again.

With the Federal order in their hands my attorneys paid the bail and I had to be freed, but they started to drag their feet; my bail was paid in the morning and I was in jail at 11 PM, when they notified me of bail paid. Then they told me the jail director was not there and that I had to wait for them to go to his house so he sign my release order.

1 PM. Next day, already violating the law, because you have to be released the same day you pay your bail.
My attorneys noticing that unmarked cars were arriving to the jail with heavy weapons armed men in black without any official id, they promptly went to the Federal Police, showing the Federal Oder not to detain me, they gave him no help, but just showed up at the jail; evidently that put pressure on the unidentified guys because, when they allowed me to leave, the unidentified guys in black blocked the exit while my attorneys showed them the Federal order to everybody including the jail guards who evidently knew the armed with M16s man in black.

It was of no use; the jail guards forced me to go out and in to the hands of the unidentified armed guys who acted with disdain of the Federal order not to detain me. There you have to consider that they were violating a Federal order, a federal crime but they being unidentified with masks and vehicles, they taught that we would not know they were Estate policeman and in fact that was a kidnapping, allowed and forced by the Santa Rosalia jail guards.

Since we identified some of them as Estate policeman, they removed their masks and the guy in charge started to ask me for pardon, telling me that it was a direct order form the Estate Governor and they forcefully without legal order, took me to the Estate Police headquarters in Santa Rosalia followed by my attorneys.

There they dumped any pretense of being unidentified and put their Estate police insignias on them again, clearly the simulation of kidnapping was not working because of the Federal vehicles who saw them taking me away without their intervention and also because my attorneys were following them closely.

My attorneys asked to talk with the Estate Police commander in charge of the kidnapping and he showed him the Federal order warning him that he was committing a federal felony; asking for a detention order and the commander told him that they had nothing, that they were waiting for one that will arrive shortly; he advised them that they were kidnapping me and committing a federal felony again; clearly that hit them hard, because when my attorney left they ran after him asking him to return and telling him that they were to call to La Paz and ask for the order to detain me and if they received nothing soon they were going to release me.

Then they called the Estate Police Director Hugo Galindo, the Estate Police Director at 3 AM and then told my attorneys that they had no order to detain me, but I was going to be conducted forcefully to La Paz again on the Estate Governor and Estate District attorneys orders alone and they did not care about the Federal order.

They conducted me in a estate police car to La Paz where we arrived to the Estate District attorney’s office, where the Estate police director Hugo Paul Galindo Camacho has his office, early morning.There the Estate Police commander asked for a receipt for me and they did not want to give it to him; then he with the rifle on his hands told them that or they gave him a receipt for me or he would take me back and leave me where he had found me; after going in to Galindo’s office, they signed the receipt. That is a felony, because they were detaining me without any kind of legal order and with a Federal order forbidding my detention and that is why they did not want to sign the receipt.

Then they took me to the jail cells, but the policemen in charge of the cells refused to allow me to be in jail, because there was no order for my detention, claiming that he was not going to be responsible to have me there without a legal order, in fact throwing me out of the jail cell.

Then they conducted me to the Estate police chief in charge of detentions, keeping me in chains 24 hours standing against a wall; during the morning my attorneys asked where I was being detained but the Estate police denied having me in detention; in fact they were unable to find me anywhere; in fact I was kidnapped and the kidnappers were the Estate police Director and his policeman.

My attorneys went to the Federal court and asked for a Federal Oder against in communication and were granted an order against the deprivation of my constitutional rights, but the Estate police denied having me in custody.

I do not know the time, but it was during the next night when a Federal court employee, who entered the administrative offices that belong to the Estate Police headquarters, found a bunch of Estate police bunched against an office door, that belong to the Estate Police Detentions chief, 3 doors from Galido’s office; he suspecting foul play, entered the office by force and I saw a head coming out of the bunch that did not allowed him to enter by force and he seeing me, told me, Mr. Munoz, I know you, you are Mr. Munoz; I was half sleep but heard my name and answered, then he entered and ask me to sign the federal orders, and I did it, including the order not to keep me in communicated.

The Federal court officer, ordered the Estate Policeman not to deprive me of my constitutional rights, telling them that I was under the Federal judge protection and custody and they would not be able to move me and were only to put me in custody of the Tijuana Estate police to conduct me to render testimony in Tijuana B.C.
Then finally they allowed me to go to a jail cell where I was able to seat and eat, without chains.

The next day on Friday, the Estate policeman from Tijuana arrived and asked them to release me to them, but they told them that they had money authorized to take them to eat and party and that they may leave with me on Monday; the Tijuana Estate policeman, sensed something was fishy and asked them for the release papers; they gave it to them and as soon as the paperwork was signed, they told them that they will take me to take a bath and will have me ready in a couple of hours, in time for their flight to Tijuana; that statement raised the red flags on them, because I was already on their custody and they denied any movement and in fact ask them to release me to them at once; they told them to calm down, but the Tijuana Estate policeman were already on alarm mode and asked me to come in between them.

They asked the Estate Police detentions commander to take us to the airport at once or they would ask for a taxi and we would go alone.

Seeing them on that alarm status, they released the chains from me and allowed me to go in between them and we started to go out of the Estate District attorney’s office while I was absolutely without any chain and in fact being protected by them.
We came in to the commander small personal car but several armed Estate Police cars started to follow us full of armed policeman; The Tijuana Estate Policeman were really sacred and asked the commander not to deviate from the airport route; he insisted on stopping in a gas station but the Tijuana policeman told him not to stop or deviate from the airport route.

We arrived to the airport and they asked for the army protection, who stopped the Estate policeman from coming in to the airport; only two Estate policeman commanders entered and tried to talk to them but then they asked the army to conduct us to the airport interior and under their protection and most important out of the South Baja Estate policeman guns sights, we came in to the boarding airport room at 2 Pm to take the 6 PM flight to Tijuana but we felt safe and one of my attorneys took the same flight with us.

We arrived that night to Tijuana and there I knew that they did not had a jailing order for me, that I was conducted to Tijuana to post a $10,000 pesos bail on a 1997 case, that was already closed and had the time limitations expired; in other words, an illegal detention, issued just as a favor to the South Baja Estate District attorney.
They kept me the whole weekend and Monday then on Tuesday they allowed me to pay the bail for the already extinct case and allowed me to go free.

The jail conditions were bad the first two days, with a 6 bed cell being occupied by 8 people and then on Monday, they took me to another cell, with 6 beds for 10 people where you cannot stand all together or sleep all at the same time and were allowed to go out to the patio only one hour every week; where nobody can talk to you from the outside or send you anything and you can use the phone only during that hour every week but competing with 500 guys.

There I knew that I was fortunate to have 10 guys in a 6 bed cell, because in all the others there were up to 37 in the same kind of cell and that was normal conditions on the Tijuana jail where no sentenced people are detained.

There I knew a guy who had been there for 6 months, because the police caught him coming out of his sister’s cloth store, to which he had the keys, during the day with 3 pants worth 3 dollars each. Because his sister was not in Tijuana and he had no money to call her, he had already spent 6 months in jail with 3 more to go.

Another who had been there for 9 months because a lady who bought a car from him, returned the car to him and latter told the police that he has stole the car from her, the car was in his name and the lady told latter that she was wrong that he did not stole the car from her, to no use.

Then a 3 Pm Tuesday they told me my bail was paid and I would be free that afternoon and in fact at 4 pm they asked me to leave the cell and stand at the patio to be released; there I stood for the whole afternoon and they started to release me at 4 Am next day; they took me to receive my cloths, but they only put you in front of very dirty clothes that belong to the guys who were incoming that day, your cloths are just put on that pile and the guys going out that day are allowed to take them, or more exactly the ones that the guards don’t want are left in the pile; in fact the Estate government steal all your belongings and when you leave, they give you dirty clothes from somebody else to wear coming out.

I was waiting to be released from 4 Pm till 4 am next day and was the last one to be released that day and when I came out I found out why they kept me waiting till nobody was in the street and no other release people was around.

Some other un identified people were waiting for me to come out alone and promptly took me to the airport and took me to Mexico city where they just disappeared inside the airport and I had to call my employees to bring me money, id and cloths.

The whole ordeal took two weeks for just posting bail in two 30 minute legal actions, for crimes not existent or already expired by time limitations and that were closed for years already because I was declared not guilty of any crime.

To be able to accomplish that completely illegal and futile act, they committed several crimes:

1.- Violating my constitutional rights when they expose me to false publicity arriving to La Paz.
2.- Opening an already closed case in 2009, without any part petition, only on the District attorney’s actions, without providing any new proof that may allow that.
3.- Disobeying the Santa Rosalia order for me not to leave the Estate, when they sent me to Tijuana by force.
4.- Kidnapping or detaining me against a Federal judge order not to detain me.
5.- forcing me to go to Mexico city in fact disobeying the Tijuana order not to leave the estate.

Clearly, because I had no crimes committed, they were trying to make me commit some real ones, like disobeying the judge orders not to leave the estate and then they would be able to detain me on real orders, but that failed when the Federal court found me detained and in communicated in the Estate District attorney’s office in La Paz and since the Tijuana judge order was void because it was coming out of file expired by time limitation that the judge has to execute by law, they were left with nothing.

Also, on the act of detaining my hotel employees without a judge order o legal cause, they committed 6 acts of kidnapping and abuse of official power.
All those federal and local crimes are already denounced, but we will see if they are even prosecuted for them.

That show a country where the law is something applied only to people without official power or just because you molested the government officials.

The laws are there, but impunity is ever present and that is the same as not having the laws; people are at the mercy of dictatorial governors who don’t care about constitutional or human rights and the authorities overseeing them are slow and frankly don’t care much.

Human rights organizations are absent or simply are powerless and they clearly know they are powerless.

Jailing conditions, violate every human right there is, with absolutely no human conditions existent, with up to 5 times more people in a space for one.

Mexico has the laws, but the people applying them are corrupt to the bones and through this Presidency cycle, organized crime was provided with absolute control and impunity, the war on drugs was just a tool to allow one group to dominate the other ones, a charade to pretend that they were fighting drug trafficking while allowing it openly.

The judges are as corrupt as the Estate policeman, but as we see, the lower ranks are not as corrupt as the top echelons who just belong to the organized crime.

Clearly, the roman system where you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent, is not working and keeping a lot of innocent people jailed in not human conditions and nobody is giving any attention, congress just ignoring that human rights violation.

paranewbi - 8-21-2012 at 05:57 PM

Hey! anybody have any problems lately with the traffic cops at the Tecate stop signs when entering from Ensenada? Now that's a problem I can identify with.

24baja - 8-23-2012 at 07:58 PM

This is a bunch of worthless crapola
wish it was not still on the board!!

ramuma53 - 8-26-2012 at 02:38 PM

24baja
Why???
it clearly show what kind of authotities Baja South has now and the risks anybody face when living here.
Aslo remember that Baja North, has the same kind of autorities so be carefull yourself and lear instead of jus wanting to hide the true

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-26-2012 at 02:54 PM

Rafael let them continue living there with their rose colored glasses until the day in the near future it happens to them! By then it will be too late! Once El Rosario fell I realized the entire peninsula is screwed!

artistlily - 8-26-2012 at 02:54 PM

You are right. This post is beyond most interest. Set up a ring and duke it out. We lost interest around the 15 page.

woody with a view - 8-26-2012 at 03:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Once El Rosario fell I realized the entire peninsula is screwed!


what happened?

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-26-2012 at 03:54 PM

It is infested with drug dealers thieves and drug addicts who have come from all over Mexico. The youth are becoming slaves to methamphetamine that includes the rancho youth too out in the boonies. There are some Narcos too, which no one is supposed to know or speak about. Do not walk the streets at night or camp anywhere near there or by the beach without a crowd because you will be a victim of a serious crime. It has become a dog-eat-dog world there! It breaks my heart to say what I have because I see El Rosario as my little town, which I love very much. Anyone who says different is blowing smoke out of you know where!

woody with a view - 8-26-2012 at 04:02 PM

that sucks. we have some real good friends there, also. one has joined the police force recently. have hope.

bajario - 8-26-2012 at 05:20 PM

Elvis,

What drives these people to El Rosario. Being the boonies are near and the manufacturing of drugs is easily attainable (sp?)? Or are these local kids getting addicted to the plague?

What keeps them there if they come from other parts of Mexico?

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-26-2012 at 06:42 PM

I was informed by someone in the know that many came from all over Mexico to get away from their environment ending up in El Rosario and other places along the peninsula without the prospect of getting work. To make ends meet they began committing burglaries and other petty crimes. Many began selling methamphetamine and marijuana for someone to locals and other people. Now they feel they cannot leave for whatever reason. I doubt it will ever change. When I go out I watch where I go and never go out alone after dark even in little ole El Rosario. I find it is even dangerous to go to the interior of Baja to the Ranch where I grew up. It is a sad state of affairs!

desertcpl - 8-26-2012 at 06:58 PM

David

I have heard about this happening before, its good that you point this out to others that might not be aware of the problems that are going on.

toneart - 8-26-2012 at 09:55 PM

I have met David (elinvestig8tor). We had coffee together at Mama Mia's two years ago. We do not agree about much having to do with politics, but I have to say he was a kind, sincere and respectful person with me. And I enjoyed his guitar playing and singing in Mama Mia's too. I heard his music wafting out from the kitchen and knew it had to be him. I walked in and introduced myself and enjoyed getting to know him. He introduced me to Anita (Mama Mia) and I spent about a half hour talking to her and soaking up a first hand account of her history.

Most of you have read his history in El Rosario with Mama Mia. In my judgment, David knows what he is talking about when it comes to the current elements that is plaguing El Rosario. I am very disturbed to hear about the deterioration of El Rosario

I always stay at The Baja Cactus Hotel and feel safe there.

David-
My question to you is, how can you project what is happening in El Rosario to include all of Baja Sur?

I have read and heard that Loreto has had a big burglary problem due to lots of workers from the mainland being abandoned and stranded by the Loreto Bay Development. That was a couple of years ago. I do not know if that is still a problem. I would think that most of them somehow found their way back to the mainland.

I have heard that there is a drug problem with some youth in Mulege but I have not seen it. Mulege has a close knit family structure and they seem to be able to keep a lid on the youth through social interaction and the church.

Throughout the whole country of Mexico, burglary is prevalent. It is basically a crime of opportunity. If you do not protect your property they consider is theirs. That's the way it has always been.

But to my knowledge, cartel drug violence is not a problem in Baja Sur. Oh sure, there has to be transportation activity, but the cartel culture hasn't settled or centered here. If it has, it surely has nothing to do with we who have no business with them. We are not targeted or affected. Unlike El Rosario, it feels free and safe walking around Mulege at night or any other time.

David- If you or anyone else know for sure that I am wrong, please inform me and the rest of the Nomad readers.

I do believe in responsible reporting and information. If there is a substantiated danger, I want to know about it.

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-27-2012 at 06:29 AM

Hi Tony,

My personal knowledge with this starts and ends with El Rosario. I have actually spoken with drug addicts who have told me of how they got to El Rosario and what they have done to maintain their addiction. I have also personally seen drug transactions taking place on her streets. I have even confronted two people who stole something from a loved one and got the item back. I will not go into detail about that!

I have Mexican friends and acquaintances who know what they are talking about and say that what is happening in El Rosario is happening up and down the peninsula. I do not have firsthand knowledge of the up and down the peninsula part but I believe them because they know what they are talking about and very reliable.

I do not put this out there to scare anyone or bad mouth Mexico because I happen to love Mexico and see her as my second country because I lived there in my youth. I especially love El Rosario because that is where Mama Espinoza took me in when I was a homeless youth and lived with them. It breaks my heart what is happening to El Rosario.

My advice is to never roam around at night alone or camp alone either at the beach or in the interior where you think you will never see anyone else. I have personally had encounters with mean looking characters in the back country with firearms, which usually consist of shotguns or .22 caliber rifles. Do I know if they would have done me harm had I not been with others, no I do not!

Is it something I want to find out by going out alone, no! That is all I can say on the subject matter other than to say I have no axe to grind with Mexico because I love her! If you choose to no believe please feel free to do so! I am not trying to change anyone mind about going there.

Lee - 8-27-2012 at 08:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
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David -- I am absolutely amazed that you have not been banned from this forum for the insults and rage you direct at other nomads here -- esp. those who you don't like. Your name calling and threats of violence leaves me scratching my head.

What's up with you and the above? You don't know how to act in a civilized manner here?

I'm not following this thread and don't have an opinion on who is right or wrong.

You might need professional help in how to act on a public forum.

Your threats here are NOT appreciated. I can't be the only nomad who think's this way. There is NO justification for your behavior!

[Edited on 8-27-2012 by BajaNomad]

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-27-2012 at 08:32 AM

Lee I liked you once. Now I'm not so sure. You have no idea what has happened so please keep your opinion to yourself about my sanity. It is still intact just so you know! David

toneart - 8-27-2012 at 09:31 AM

David-

I do believe you and consider you a knowledgeable source. That is why I addressed my questions to you. Like you, Mexico has been a country dear to my heart. I just hate to see the violent changes that are continuing to escalate. Hard drugs are such an insidious evil. They are pushed by criminals and steal the souls of it's addicts. The culture of death embodies it.

While I have never been the type to live in fear, I do not knowingly place myself in harm's way. I am always aware of my surroundings, outdoors and also inside public places.

So, while I choose to look for positive aspects in my life, I am not a Pollyanna in denial. I seek balance and truth. That is why I ask questions. :light:

wessongroup - 8-27-2012 at 10:47 AM

Names change, as do people in the "trade" ... quite frequently

There is a "trade" which exists in Mexico which supplies the USA with what it apparently really wants ...

Think the idea of closing down the dispensaries and telling folks to grow their own is a wise move ... might help with some jobs in the plant propagation industry and would remove a great deal of "traffic" from various sorts ... in the "trade"

Victory Gardens ... of a sort ... :biggrin::biggrin:

Amazing what can develop from differing points of view ... HUH

Take it slow and easy ... but, keep on truck'n .. Either SOB or NOB ..

Have shared our experience with the "trade" while down for 14 months from Oct 2009, to Jan 1, 2011 .. it was there and doing quite well, only met one guy that "disappeared" and worked for the local folks, in the trade, his name was Oscar .... he was trying to "cut" someone out of their fare share... a definite NO, NO .... never found his truck either..

He was the guy that dug the hole we buried our super dog in ... RIP Scout and Oscar... as I don't think he took a vacation

Could be some, get out more and have previous knowledge about "how" things work ... as it to the "trade" ... just saying

Cheers, Toneman .. hope ya are feeling great, hang in there :):) Wiley



[Edited on 8-27-2012 by wessongroup]

BajaGringo - 8-27-2012 at 11:14 AM

Sorry Nomads for not posting much lately but have been extremely busy with the abalone project, trying to get the house done and a few other projects. It really saddens me to see how disagreements on events/issues quickly evolve into personal attacks.

As far as David (ELINVESTIG8R), I know him and consider him a good, personal friend. I also know members of his adopted family in El Rosario, all who confirm his story of when he was lost as a child and taken in by the Espinoza family. (for those of you who raised questions)

It is too easy to put good manners aside and allow online disagreements to turn into flame wars. That is one of the downsides of the internet as it takes the personal element away and it seems harmless to say (post) something you probably wouldn't in person. I know because I have been guilty myself a few times in the past.

I invite any of you to take the time to meet David in person and size him up as to his true character before jumping to conclusions solely based on silly posts made on an internet forum. I did and I am proud to call him my friend...

Lee - 8-27-2012 at 11:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
I invite any of you to take the time to meet David in person and size him up as to his true character before jumping to conclusions solely based on silly posts made on an internet forum. I did and I am proud to call him my friend...


No one is doubting David has ''true character'' in person.

His bullying, insults, name calling and threats of physical violence have no place on this forum. These things are not ''silly posts.'' And there is NO justification for this kind of behavior here.

Just my opinion.

luv2fish - 8-27-2012 at 02:04 PM

I dont think it is Baja Gringos job to reign in El investigator. He is a big boy and can police himself. I also dont think that his comments, maybe rough around the edges are offensive or racist. Maybe El investigator is rough like sand paper, but we shouldnt judge him without knowing circumstances that molded him to what we or you think is rough and tough. I have had some issues with P.T.S.D. which caused depression, anger and a whole host of other problems, I'm not saying that this is his case, but we should all try to be nicer to one another. And finally filters and moderation equal Censorship. Just my opinion. Thanks Matt

norte - 8-27-2012 at 03:54 PM

Kid, did you ever read your own rants. I personally find your posts offending as well.

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Listen up, you can make excuses, you can defend the abuse, you can join in the downward slide of disrespect and you can justify it as a result of prior abuse or PTSD.

However, this circle of abuse, will continue as long as members of this forum allow and encourage it, in this case by someone who claims to be a public servant sworn to uphold a common code of ethics which he has repeatedly failed to do.

Apparently the thin blue line is unbroken, regardless of the cost, regardless of the damage done. Note that this thread is about the abuse, fraud and physical violence perpetrated by a so called attorney. This case has come to the attention of all three levels of government in Mexico and has resulted in many arrests and continues in on going case of fraud that is being investigated.

Now we have a connection of abusive behavior associated to the case with a member of the Office of the Public Defender of Orange County. As this case continue to unfold we have a open case of conspiracy to defraud property owners, intimidate with violence, commit arson, threats continues to be investigated.

Now we have various member of the forum jumping forward to support the abuse at any cost, justified because it's a friend.

The pathetic nature of this case and the thread and the lack of clear and unambiguous support for ethics and morals is devastating to the community nature of this site. Furthermore, the behavior of various members demonstrates that there is collusion to further this abuse, threats, bullying, intimidation and has all but drawn down the quality of the site and distracted from a supportive, law abiding and respectful community.

There will be further repercussions from the actions of those few people in the minority here who collude to intimidate and bully others. Certainly there has been great damage done. The most clear result is that those who bully are unwelcome at social events and may find themselves named in the investigation and therefore not welcome visitors. It's unfortunate that Doug continues to support this abuse through dereliction and has allowed it onto the main board as well as ensured that the abuse is well indexed and searchable by all.

One wonders what has happened to self respect amongst these posters and their so called friends and when did mutual respect go the way of insults and bullying, since when did poor social behavior become the norm as well as encouraged and since when did it become fashionable to support abusive people in public.

On the contrary, I would encourage increased social respect, ethics and morals and I would think it is appropriate for BajaGringo, Doug, Tony and others to encourage David Mayne ******* and others to tone down the public bullying, abuse, insults and encourage David to discuss his personal issues privately among friends and not target outsiders nor join into the fray of international cases of violence with weapons, intimidation, property theft and arson in an on going case that has broad implications.

Skipjack Joe - 8-27-2012 at 05:13 PM

Comments about recent posts:

1. If ramuma is permitted to be publicly abusive then why would one expect Investigator to not be allowed the same behavior.

2. Just because Investigator is wrong (actually stubborn) in his support of ramuma does not mean that all of his other opinions should be discarded as well.

3. It seems to me that Doug Means could easily simply state why he has allowed ramuma to create hate posts for last 2 years with impunity. That would clear up much of the confusion.

Mula - 8-27-2012 at 05:56 PM

hear! hear!

only 4 more to 1500 of this bs.

Hope we hear from Doug.

Lobsterman - 8-27-2012 at 05:58 PM

Oh the righteous patrol is at it again. Kid your are a pompous buttcrack IMO. Who died and made you the morality police for BN. You're welcome to your opinion but stop trying to shutdown and filter opinions of others. If Doug wanted to, like he has many times in the past, can censor whatever he wants. It's his board not yours or mackeral's.

As far as David, his integraty has been soiled by these individuals so he says STFU or I'll kick your ass. Well they keep it up and they can take the consequences of their actions. You pusses who have not fought in wars like we have can not walk in our shoes and should not bring up your phony heart felt saga of helping vets. What a crock of chit. You're just a lying buttcrack looking to get symphony off the hardship of injured war vets. What a man you are kid. I remember being spit on and called baby killer from the likes of your kind after I returned from Viet Nam. So spare me from further Dibble along these lines.

As for Rafael the only criminals in that case are Mark, Olivia, and S Baja law enforcement agencies. They tried their best to steal his property and kill Rafael for exposing the corruption but fortunately he out foxed them again. All court cases have been in his favor. Don't you believe in mexican law and order or do we have to follow BN's law for baja? I have no clue why Rafael is being such a martyr but I believe he is sincerely trying to clean up baja. All you guys do is perpetuate the criminal elements in Mulege. You all must be quite proud of yourselves for trading your morals for a free beer or a basket of chips.

Anyone wants to discuss this further in person I'll be teeing off at Torrey Pines tomorrow 8/28 at 0600. I've got an opening in my foursome so bring your clubs. I'm the radical communist looking guy. Here's a picture of me so please introduce yourself. I don't bite.



[Edited on 8-28-2012 by Lobsterman]

toneart - 8-27-2012 at 06:21 PM

Gnukid-

I met David once, in Santa Rosalia. He introduced me to Anita (Mama Espinoza). I know his credibility regarding his relationship there. Furthermore, he was very kind to me. He has never been abusive to me here on The BajaNomad. I asked him a question in this string and he gave a lucid, respectful and responsible answer.

If you have read my posts through the years you would agree that my predominant running theme is civility. As long as abuse is not directed at me personally, I will leave it to those who feel abused to defend themselves.

I never require that one need agree with me. They just should never attack me personally. In past years I was attacked personally for my political views and for having suffered the ravages of three hurricanes/floods in Mulege. I responded appropriately and effectively. Language is my rapier. When necessary, I can garrote an opponent and expose his ugly intestines to shame and ridicule. But even that is not the most effective way to deal with abuse. The best way is to leave them twisting in the wind with no response. They live for combat and silence kills them!

It does no good to try and regulate the behavior of others. Whenever I have in the past it was a waste of time. What I do is to try to lead by example. So, I will not be baited into your issue. It is none of my business. Not my Job.

BajaGringo - 8-27-2012 at 07:18 PM

I suspect there is blame to be shared by many for the loss of civility here and its roots probably go back to other threads. It becomes a blame game of who said what first and to try to settle such a disagreement is pointless.

I suspect that most simply skipped the third paragraph of my precious post, assuming it doesn't apply to them.

And that is how civility is lost in a forum such as this...

:rolleyes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-27-2012 at 08:09 PM

I thank my friend(s) who said kind words about me and came to my aid. They know I am not a crazy man. ***************************************************** my family and me were put in danger by someone who exposed my full name address telephone number and place of employment for all to see. There were others who egged him on. I was addressing one of them in here and got a little rambunctious. The person bantering about my full name and place of employment also egged this person on, as did others. I would appreciate it if he would refrain from using my full name, place of employment, and also erase them in his current posts here in this thread. I am asking nicely.

[Edited on 8-29-2012 by BajaNomad]

TONEART !!

captkw - 8-27-2012 at 08:23 PM

HOLA,,YOU ARE A COOL/WISE MAN.....MUCHO GUSTO!!

Excellent point!!

thebajarunner - 8-27-2012 at 09:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
I thank my friend(s) who said kind words about me and came to my aid. They know I am not a crazy man. I do have couple of scores to settle because my family and me were put in danger by someone who exposed my full name address telephone number and place of employment for all to see. There were others who egged him on. I was addressing one of them in here and got a little rambunctious. The person bantering about my full name and place of employment also egged this person on, as did others. I would appreciate it if he would refrain from using my full name, place of employment, and also erase them in his current posts here in this thread. I am asking nicely.


The font drives me nutz, and the comments are occasionally over the top,
but the man is absolutely right on.
Delete the personal stuff and let's get on with being Nomads!!!

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-28-2012 at 03:29 AM

Kid, I am going to ask you nicely again to remove reference of my name and where I work from your writings. You are also accusing me of things that are untrue and I am asking for you to retract/remove them from your posts.

desertcpl - 8-28-2012 at 07:57 AM

And I might ad

that I hope this entire thread will come to a complete stop

and lets us all go on with what being a Nomad is about,

STOP ,, any one have some nice trip reports and Photo essays,, hey I miss Pompano's morning posts, how about every one else
lets all take a deep breath

Skipjack Joe - 8-28-2012 at 08:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by desertcpl

hey I miss Pompano's morning posts, how about every one else
lets all take a deep breath


They were always so positive, without appearing to be saintly.

DENNIS - 8-28-2012 at 11:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Let's make this clear! David please remove your personal attacks here and on your site, about each and every person you have targeted. Remove ALL OF THEM, today. If you fail to do so, we will be required to escalate and take action to have the posts removed.



This all seems so pointless, Paul. Why the ultimatums when you know full well what the response will be?
This thread has miraculously avoided being tossed into OT for a long time, but I fear the honymoon is quickly coming to an end.



.

[Edited on 8-28-2012 by DENNIS]

David K - 8-28-2012 at 11:58 AM

IMO: Any posts that violate Nomad rules should be removed and the Nomads who continue to harass other Nomads should also be removed for a time determined by Doug... Doug, it is about time for some action, yes?

DENNIS - 8-28-2012 at 12:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Dennis,

I am surprised that you and others are so certain that abuse must continue and we must support the abusers because they are or used to be Cops/Vets and suffer PTSD, when all it takes is a little peer pressure to discourage it and it will stop.



Well...I'm on David's sht-list as well, and I don't support any of it. I only see it as a manifestation of an obsessive-compulsive, ongoing rant and refuse to give it life by responding to it.
You're only dumping fuel on a fire, Paul. You know that.

mcfez - 8-28-2012 at 01:15 PM

The septic tank is overflowing from the Off Topics and from another site......into this Topic here. I am too.............at a lost why the attacks are being tolerated here. Not one person should make physical threats towards any other.......acts of blackmail...and emailing slanderous notes to non participants of the BN (family and friends of members)......and it happens far too much here at the Bajanomad site.

I just recently spent a good deal of time at the Pomona FairPlex last week.......great area to visit. However..............outside of the city limits, there are vast areas of what seems to be drug infested hoods. I sure wouldnt want to visit these areas at night. Same thing with camping......come on now.....who here would dare camp at San Pedro? Ya get mugged....and beaten for the hell of it.

I say small pockets of Southern California is NOT the a good place to camp...much less visit. I say also.....that MOST of Southern California is a great to visit day or night.

Same goes for Baja............MOST of Baja is just fine to visit. Dont assume one town judged..... to represent the entire Baja Peninsula.

[Edited on 8-28-2012 by mcfez]

Cypress - 8-28-2012 at 02:07 PM

Kind of a sad situation when a little bald-headed man gets his panties twisted in a wod up around his ears. :yes::yes:

mtgoat666 - 8-28-2012 at 03:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
I am asking nicely.


elvis8:
you are? good thing you told us so, because your posts sure don't seem nice. most of your recent posts have a recurring theme of you threatening people,... just saying!

do unto other as you would have them do unto you.

golden rule, ya know?

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-28-2012 at 07:51 PM

Dennis you are not on my S-List brother!

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-28-2012 at 07:54 PM

Goat why are you baiting me? Would you please erase the bait and jump off the bandwagon!

Thank you!

bajadogs - 8-28-2012 at 08:17 PM

So, since the discussion doesn't have anything to do with Mark and Olivia as far as I can tell, can this thread just die... Or let it roll down the off-topic gutter? I have seen much tamer discussion get thrown into off-topic. Knock it off guys... or I'll kick all your butts.:fire:

;D

willardguy - 8-28-2012 at 08:24 PM

who is this mark and olivia you speak of?:?:

DENNIS - 8-28-2012 at 08:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Dennis you are not on my S-List brother!


OK...thought I was.
Thanks.

Whew!!! Is this all settled now??

thebajarunner - 8-28-2012 at 09:31 PM

We got the bad stuff deleted, no one is on anyone's S*** list, peace and quiet reign.

Let's all hold hands, hum a few bars of "Cum Bah Yah" and hope that Rafael has lost his way back to this thread.

May it now rest in peace.

Shalom and adieu...

güero - 8-28-2012 at 09:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by thebajarunner
We got the bad stuff deleted, no one is on anyone's S*** list, peace and quiet reign.

Let's all hold hands, hum a few bars of "Cum Bah Yah" and hope that Rafael has lost his way back to this thread.

May it now rest in peace.

Shalom and adieu...


If all the bad stuff was removed, how come the thread hasn't shrunk by 10 pages? Nobody has to read it if they don't want to.

Skipjack Joe - 8-28-2012 at 11:22 PM

Some of the nomad readers find the "bullying" to be entertaining. The ones that claim to abhor censorship.

So, there will always be some form of support for these kind of threads.

ramuma53 - 8-29-2012 at 12:36 PM

Bajadog

Just a few of you would like the thread to end as soon as possible and I wonder why???

This thread started by Olivia and Nark, explain exactly the situation that exist today in Baja, exposing the kind of influence organized crime and their surrogates like Olivia and Nark are doing today in Baja.

It apply to any people interested in Baja, because those are the actual situations you would be subjected to if you live or travel to Baja and is a clear warning on how the Justice department became just the strong arm for the organized crime.

If that don’t bother you and just want to ignore it because you don’t travel to Baja, just let interested parties become informed about all this corruption that started or became worst when the actual Baja governor took office.

Now you have to get out of the way of any organized crime member like Olivia and Nark or they will throw you in jail and invent crimes on you, that is the message here and a message corroborated by most of the Estate policeman who are also afraid of them.

The main reason most Nomads read these threads, are because they want to be informed of the actual situation in Baja, inside information, not the kind published on newspapers and by official WebPages.

So, if you do not want to read, it is fine, but notice that this thread is one of the most read in this forum and you have to ask yourself why????

Just remember, that most of the people here just read and get informed while they don’t write a comment.

On el Investigat8tor case, im am with him becaue he is one of the most honest Nomads I have found here.

comitan - 8-29-2012 at 12:51 PM

And it goes round,an round,an round and the music goes on,an on, an on, will somebody please pull the plug.

ramuma53 - 8-29-2012 at 01:05 PM

ElInvestigat8tor

Your experience is about El Rosario, but the real value of this thread is that we are exchanging information about the whole Baja, correlating Mulege and El Rosario and Rosarito Beach and others.

Mulege is about in the same situation, where a lot of Americans just went out because robberies became just too common, drug addicts roam the streets just hoping to find a way to finance their drug addiction and since they cannot work, they are looking for an easy crime, just ask Bajagringo.

Now we are finding that the South Baja Estate Police commanders are just organized crime members dedicated to protect people like Olivia and Nark who can commit any crime with impunity and also now can target any people and put them in jail without any legal requisite or cause.

On my land, that is what motivated me to put a fence and allow entrance to my property by only a couple of entrances that are the ones that have to pass in front of the people living on the beach; in 2009 an American camping was killed at La Armenta beach to steal his car and trailer.

That was bad, but now people like Olivia and Nark are trying to take control of the whole region and that mean to be able to continue selling their drugs to people local and visitors.

Some of you may think that it is their business, but when those junkies assault you and kill some loved one, it becomes personal, also tourism is about gone because the insecurity cause by them just became intolerable.

If you talk to Rosarito Beach, Tijuana, Ensenada, El Rosario, Guerrero Negro, Santa Rosalia, Mulege, Constitucion and even Los Cabos people, you will find that it is a common problem that became worst on 2012 but it was bad before.

We are being inundated and I mean the whole Baja peninsula by drug addicts that are preying on tourism and Americans living there.

What can we do????? get informed and this is the almost only way.
BajaNomads is providing a way to get the real warnings from the whole Baja and believe me, Bajanomads are not the only ones reading this and that is why they are becoming desperate and worried.
This thread was initiated by La Vaquera and Nark, have you heard from them ????? no, because they are becoming exposed here and that is why this thread exist at all.

Skipjack Joe - 8-29-2012 at 01:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53

This thread started by Olivia and Nark, explain exactly the situation that exist today in Baja, exposing the kind of influence organized crime and their surrogates like Olivia and Nark are doing today in Baja.

It apply to any people interested in Baja, because those are the actual situations you would be subjected to if you live or travel to Baja and is a clear warning on how the Justice department became just the strong arm for the organized crime.



As usual you have it backwards.

The only value to this thread is to warn people to stay away from the likes of you.

ramuma53 - 8-29-2012 at 01:52 PM

Skipjack Joe

You have always being one of the drug trafficker’s blind and reasonless defenders.

It is in my best interest to be honest with my would be customers, I prefer a customer that does not come today and remain harmless to one that come thinking Baja is safe and becomes a crime victim.

If you act with honesty and warn about real dangers today, when you say the situations is safe, people will believe you and that mean to remain honest with all your comments.
That clearly is not your situation, because when you say, you know them personally, it means that you must have been there when they consume drugs and become drunks to the ground, or do you claim that you have never see them stoned???
You would be the only one in the whole region to ignore that fact.

Your case is exactly the contrary, because you always make comments attacking but never say anything useful to t and that is the main reason why this forum exist, to try to improve Baja’s situation, warn people going to Baja about real dangers and inform them about the real situation, not the idyllic presented to them in official information bulletins.

You try to put me on the same level as La Vaquera and Nark, but I have never committed a crime while they have been convicted of several crimes, one of them the federal felony committed by selling turtle soup in their restaurant, selling drugs, promoting drug use among their employees and other people employees.

You may be in their same level, but not me or my employees who were returned to freedom without the smallest of criminal charges after staying 6 months in jail without committing any crime.

I am not a drug addict, they are, I do not sell drugs, they do, I do not commit robberies, they do, I do not try to kill people, they did, I do not sell protected species in my restaurant, they do, I do not allow drug trafficking on my property, they do, even putting my life in jeopardy because of them.

That is a big difference that only people like you do not see, but clearly a lot of other Nomads do, so do not refrain your opinions, but be ready for honest responses, dont cry about this thread existence.

ramuma53 - 8-29-2012 at 02:14 PM

Gnukid
Another of the mindless and blind drug traffickers advocates.

Please, before writing why don’t you read other peoples comments, because it is clear that you write without reading, attack without reason and talk about discrimination and threats without even knowing about what you are talking about.
Nobody is discrimination nobody here, nobody make any race comments, even when it is clear that people commenting here are from both countries and both languages.

Nobody is harassing anybody here; we are only exposing security problems in Baja with real cases, not with economical interests before the customer’s safety.

Your comments are out of context but I do not ask you to stop your comments, only to read before your write about facts that you do not know about.

I didn’t even knew that Elinvestigat8tor had something to do with el Rosario or Mexico at all, I just thought that he was and is an honest guy with police experience based on his comments here and other threads, I do have not had the fortune to know him personally, but I have become friendly to him because he is honest on his comments and those comments have not always been in my favor, he has corrected me a few times, he has questioned me a lot of times and he has asked me for explanations several times, but he has done it always in a honest and impartial way and that is what I appreciate, honesty; honesty that you can recognize in him without knowing him personally the same way I do not find it in you.

This is not harassment, it is a honest comment based on your own ignorance about an issue that you have before your eyes but are too lazy to read about before making comments that try clearly to promote censure.

Discrimination, harassment, abuse, threats of violence, under the cover of intimidation??????
Where anybody discriminate somebody???? for what reason???
Where does anybody harass anybody?????
Who abuse who????, where?????
Who made threats of violence?????? How would anybody fulfill any threats through a forum???
Who is intimidating anybody here???? how anyone would become intimidated through a Forum????

Come on, if you want to exercise censure on an issue you do not want to hear about, just do not come in to this thread, just stop reading and of course do not write about issues you do not know about, you do not even read about and do it just to try to cover some drug traffickers who have been already convicted of crimes against nature and people.

You drug traffiker's advoctes are becoming boring and transparent.:?:

ramuma53 - 8-29-2012 at 02:41 PM

gnukid

I forgot
YIu forgot to ask who will stand up for sea turtles being sold as soup in Olivia and Nark restaurant??????
Not your certainly also

paranewbi - 8-29-2012 at 03:07 PM

Hey where's Pompano?

Cypress - 8-29-2012 at 03:15 PM

HMMMMM!:lol:

comitan - 8-29-2012 at 03:31 PM

I Like. HMMMMM! HMMMMM! HMMMMM!:lol::lol::lol:

Skipjack Joe - 8-29-2012 at 03:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by paranewbi
Hey where's Pompano?


Not on this thread, that's for sure.

He avoids threads like this at all costs. And rightly so. There's nothing further to add that here hasn't been rehashed a dozen times.

Ramuma thinks he's somehow providing a public service here. Wow. How delusional.

coconaco - 8-29-2012 at 04:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
And it goes round,an round,an round and the music goes on,an on, an on, ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MARqTpQ8YGM

ramuma53 - 8-30-2012 at 08:51 AM

Gnukid

All you have are facts, but clearly you do not understand even one of them
They TRIED to jail me, but FAILED because my property title was already in file and had to free me at once because of the Federal judge overlooking.

I have never been convicted of any crime absolutely.

I was not prosecuted for fraud, you are wrong, the one that was convicted for Fraud was Olivia Higuera Aguilar and Jorge Michael i n the case promoted by Mr., and MRS. Christ, she was convicted and ordered to repay the money something she never did and did not served the time as the judge ordered.

As I know, Craigh never went to jail or has been prosecuted; he is the one making criminal chrges against the lady who is over Federal Zone. You are completely wrong.:spingrin:

Elinvestigat8tor never harasses, he is only clear about his points of view, a little too much enthusiasm (he has the right to do so), but he has never been found lying or badly informed while you are clearly not honest, lye constantly and write while extremely bad informed or with a completely lack of honesty as you like.:fire:

Concerning the government, it is clear that the Estate District attorney belong to the organized crime (he has been publicly denounced by the Estate policeman):O, he moves on Olivbia Higuera Aguilar La Vaquera a convicted criminal's orders, they have been publicly accused by the Estate Policeman confirming what I have said before in this thread; also contradicting you, the Federal government was the one who intervened in my favor, granting me the federal judge protection against the clearly illegal actions of the Estate District attorney and that mean, that you are wrong again on your mal intentioned expressions; expressions that you have the right to express but I have the right to refute and expose you as a liar and organized crime surrogate and voice.:P

El Investigat8tor and Craigh have no interest or need to go to Playa Buenaventura or south of it while I have an employee in my hotel and I do not need to go there but I am legally there all the time and I can be there anytime I want; on the other hand, you certainly cannot go there but certainly you can go south of that place, all the way to Antarctica if you want.

Gnukid, you certainly do not know or even understand the problem ventilated here, we are not exercising possession here, the possession is being exercised against all criminal forces, what we are expressing here is a true case that exemplifies the Baja situation that have deteriorated so much with this Estate authorities that they have became organized crime partners and not only protectors.:!:

We are exposing the fact that a organized crime member and Nark are able to move the Estate authorities to clear their way for selling and transporting big loads of drugs. Criminals that here have been exposed for selling sea turtle soup, the fact that they were convicted for that Federal crime and the fact that they were never jailed for that crime even being convicted.

What we are doing is warning local and foreign visitor to Baja about the actual situation in an honest way so they are not subjected to the same illegal actions that may endanger their lives and property, dangerous and illegal actions that come from the authority that supposed to protect them.

That is what this is about.

[Edited on 8-30-2012 by ramuma53]

DENNIS - 8-30-2012 at 09:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53
Gnukid

All you have are facts,


Probably not the most effective way to enter an arguement. :lol::lol:

ramuma53 - 8-30-2012 at 09:05 AM

Why if it is so boring, it is in the third place on this Forum

That is called interest by all Nomads:rolleyes:

Also if you see, the most read and answered topics in this Forum are related to the Security problem in Baja and that mean, Nomads are being informed and are participationg on this threads actively and that is a public service not provided anywhere else.:saint:

[Edited on 8-30-2012 by ramuma53]

David K - 8-30-2012 at 09:07 AM

Are your employees at your run-down/ closed hotel Playa Buenaventura still waiting to be paid for their employment beginning last Semana Santa?

They want to go home, and even when offered bus fair back to the Mainland to be re-united with their families, they will remain at Bahia Concepcion until you pay them.

While we were having dinner at the beautiful restaurant owned and operated by Mark and Olivia, next door to your closed hotel, your employees came over asking for a favor (they were out of fuel for your generator)... and to show you how nice Mark and Olivia are, they hold no ill feelings for your poor unpaid workers, and helped them get the fuel (and other things when asked).

No rumor, no lie... I saw and heard all this first hand.

If you haven't yet, make a trip to 'your' hotel, pay the workers you hired, and stop abusing them... and your neighbors Mark and Olivia... good people.

tripledigitken - 8-30-2012 at 09:07 AM

Don't confuse interest with validation senor.

ramuma53 - 8-30-2012 at 09:31 AM

tripledigitken

Interest is shown by reading a long thread and taking the time to answer and offer a point of view, otherwise they will not bother to do it.

Validation is expressed by continuous interest, when you find something false, you just discard that information and never return for more, certainly not this case.

Certainly you are also not understanding the message found in statistics while the forum master certainly do.

I understand that organized crime has an interest in repressing information; they thrive on ignorance of the facts and we know they have surrogates and voices here trying to do exactly that, those voices ask for censure and to quiet the information while not explaining why they continuously keep reading and participation on a thread that clearly they do not like.

To provide information is dangerous and they have shown the will to take actions to repress this information, but clearly by providing this information, we encourage others like the Estate Policeman to denounce the corrupt South Baja authorities and they did it publicly.

In Mexico, being a journalist is more dangerous than to be in the Gulf war and we just withnessed the Estate Plice illegal actions to jail 6 people without a legal cause, just because we denounced them and La Vaquera for their organized crime actions.

ramuma53 - 8-30-2012 at 09:41 AM

David K

Antonio is well and being paid, so you are also misinforming, he has been there 6 months and he is also repairing slowly the hotel and he would not be able to do that without money.

Why don’t you explain where are all the Oliva’s restaurant ex employees??? Don’t you care about them???? Or has my employees something special in your mind????

Well, all the ex employees who have worked on that restaurant, have ended up in drug rehabilitation clinics or are active junkies in Mulege and that is an extremely well known and indubitable fact.:light:

That is called a real damage to them, why don’t you protect them or talk for them.:?:

On the other side, all my employees are well and working on my other businesses; they are with me on the long run.

The two last employees to be free last week from jail, who were freed without absolutely no charges, are in La Paz on vacation paid by me and they will return to the hotel in a few days.

I need them to cool down a little because they are very sore with Olivia and Nark and I do not want any harm done to those criminals because we are going to put them in jail forever, we don’t take the law in our own hands and the worst punishment is being to jail and knowing that they will be there for a long time.

I have employees who have been working for me for 25 years and you can not do that if you do not have their loyalty and that is why Antonio is there, something that you show but for the wrong reasons to criminals.

[Edited on 8-30-2012 by ramuma53]

David K - 8-30-2012 at 09:54 AM

So, your employees lied about not being paid? Or, did you go there in the past month since I heard their stories? Good for you for paying them finally... as I believe slavery is illegal in Mexico.

Have you thanked Mark and Olivia for helping your employees with favors, rides to the water and fuel suppliers, etc.?

JoeJustJoe - 8-30-2012 at 11:19 AM

I try to stay out of this thread because I spend too much time on the Woooosh v. Tila real estate fight in the 'OT." and I don't have time to involve myself in another long on going real estate fight that can take on violent undertones as you look at the underbelly of this dispute.

However, I would like to take the time to say how much I appreciate Gnukid's post about the common threats of discrimination, harassment, abuse, threats of violence, under the cover of intimidation.

Again my hats off to Gnukid to sticks his neck out, and tells it like it is.

Cypress - 8-30-2012 at 11:33 AM

Tell it like it is!!!:yes:

ramuma53 - 8-30-2012 at 01:41 PM

David K
I talk every day with Anotnio my Buenaventura employee and he is fine and well fed and also repairing the hotel from all the damages inflicted by La Vaquera and Nark, the convicted criminals you propose we thank.

Since he tell me he is fine and I know he is not a liar, then I have to assume that you are the liar and since I have experienced a lot of times reading your lies, it is clear that you just continue to do your same work for the organized crime as La Vaquera and Nark advocate, keep it coming, but use different and more convincing arguments, this way, they are not going to pay you, because you are doing a lousy job.;)

Since you seem not to know English very well, Slavery if by definition the act that obligate by force a person to work for free while preventing him from living and exercise his free will and that is clearly NOT the case with my employees:light:

[Edited on 8-30-2012 by ramuma53]

David K - 8-30-2012 at 03:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53
David K
I talk every day with Anotnio my Buenaventura employee and he is fine and well fed and also repairing the hotel from all the damages inflicted by La Vaquera and Nark, the convicted criminals you propose we thank.

Since he tell me he is fine and I know he is not a liar, then I have to assume that you are the liar and since I have experienced a lot of times reading your lies, it is clear that you just continue to do your same work for the organized crime as La Vaquera and Nark advocate, keep it coming, but use different and more convincing arguments, this way, they are not going to pay you, because you are doing a lousy job.;)

Since you seem not to know English very well, Slavery if by definition the act that obligate by force a person to work for free while preventing him from living and exercise his free will and that is clearly NOT the case with my employees:light:

[Edited on 8-30-2012 by ramuma53]


There wasn't just one man not paid, but several... I was only there twice last month and can honestly say what I experienced was the truth.

You don't have to believe me, but I do not lie and you have been caught here telling one lie after another (navy ship anchored offshore, false accusations, etc.).

Mark or Olivia have been harmed enough by your bullying. Why can't you just be happy with the hotel you acquired and make it nice... get along with people?

Does not the quality of life mean enough to you to end your war and just be happy with what you have? Is your greed so great that you will fight to the death over this land grab and not only never enjoy it yourself, but also deny the place to all the tourists to Baja California Sur?

Time to grow up and act like an adult... Instead of making the world a better place, you are ruining a small piece of paradise, on Bahia Concepcion.

Think about it... is a life of misery and strife really more important than happiness for you and all those you are around?

ramuma53 - 8-30-2012 at 03:31 PM

Nomads
I have an obligation to act in an honest way here on this forum, even when it is not in my best interest, I have to share with you some new information I have on the Nark child molestation case.

ALEJANDRO CABRERA PAREDES, the attorney representing the girl child supposedly molested by Nark in his personal bathroom, contacted my attorneys when they were at the Santa Rosalia court room looking after the hotel employees and he offered his services as an attorney to help us put in jail the child molester Nark Jerome Burbey.

My attorneys believed him and on the premise that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, they started to share information on Nark, even the information about the drug unloading on La Vaquera restaurant.

This attorney, who uses a lot of gold and diamonds on him all the time, was very mad and made a good job on convincing us that he was very concerned about the 15 year old girl supposedly molested by Nark, they tell me, he even cried when telling them how the girl was molested by Nark, sharing parts of the Coroner report on her molestation.

He convinced them to let him become part of my attorneys team and started working with them, showing real hate for Nark and La Vaquera, refusing payment and saying that he was wealthy enough and that he was working for the South Baja Estate government and the Mexico Estate government while his main role was on those official jobs is to advise the Baja Governor through his nephew and that he wanted to put in jail those criminals; to that point we could not agree with him more.

As a rule, we investigate the people who will work for us, to filter any kind of criminal that may try to come in to our confidence group and we asked Alejandro Cabrera Paredes for his professional title and bar association papers; he gave us nothing arguing that he was working for the government and didn’t want to make it public.
After that, I commissioned another attorney and we really went in to investigating him:

I just received the official information that, he is not an attorney, he has no professional title, he does not work for the government, nor Mexico City, not Mexico state nor Baja South or any other estate.

Also I found out that he has ties with the Zeta cartel and that he was in Santa Rosalia on a mission to try to get rid of Olivia and Nark and they may have orchestrated the whole event to incriminate Nark on child molestation charges on a contract with the Zetas cartel to try to occupy the place.

At this time, I believe that Nark did not commit those acts and that he is being framed by another drug cartel and let me tell why I believe that:

Alejandro Cabrera Paredes is not an attorney and he lied to everybody about that fact, even the district attorney in Santa Rosalia.

He had another person renting a room in Buenaventura that he supposedly did not know and he used her as a witness to those acts, that lady named Yolanda Avelar Calzada, who as she said supposedly live in Los Cabos as she rendered testimony to the District attorney, she supposedly did not know the girl or Alejandro Cabrera Paredes her attorney and we just found out, that, that lady, do not live in Los Cabos at all, she live in the Mexico Estate and is Alejandro Cabrera Paredes mistress for 15 years, she live just a few blocks from his house in Chicoloapan and she live with him most of the week and she have done it for years before.

That clearly put in doubt her role as a witness and she certainly lied in her legal deposition against Nark at least on her address and personal ties.

Also I found out, that the young girl supposedly coming from Puebla, really live in the same area as Alejandro Cabrera Paredes and knew him before those events, because her sister is living with another person that also claim to be an attorney but is not, whose name is Homero Juan and is an Alejandro Cabrera Paredes associate for years, who has an investigation related to a kidnapping in the Mexico Estate and with organized crime ties also.

That mean, that Alejandro Cabrera Paredes, Homero Juan, the young girl, her mother, her sister and the witness, are a group who were traveling together in Baja, sharing expenses, acting together and have acted on other occasions on framing other drug cartel members to eliminate the competition, that for some reason bother them, we now know of another very similar case that they did in central Mexico.

All those persons that supposed to be unrelated, live near one another on the Mexico Estate, near Mexico city in a town named Chicoloapan on Habtational Unit Hubris I, near Texcoco and are related to organized crime, the Zetas cartel and that fact, really cast a big doubt for us on Narks culpability on that child molestation case, that a false attorney filed against him using a witnesses that clearly lied on her deposition about her real address and ties.

Don’t take me wrong, Nark for me is a criminal that belong to organized crime and deals in drugs, traffic in drugs, is a violent felon, tried to kill Jimmy Rusell, stole from my hotel and I can surely accuse him of those crimes, but I really doubt that he molested that young girl, because I believe that he is being framed by another drug cartel that want their criminal action. I don’t want latter for them to say that I am framing them for that crime.

At this point, we just told Alejandro Cabrera Paredes that he cannot work for us, that he cannot represent any of my business and that we do not want anything to do with him or his partners and that he must not contact any one from my organization for any business or deal.

So, Nark, you are a criminal, drug trafficker, robber, tried to be a murderer, sea turtle murderer and certainly guilty of many other crimes, but not a child molester on that case and watch your back, not from us, but from the other drug cartels, the Zeta cartel in this case.

We don’t want you, or other cartel members there, so we will not help them against you neither, we will get you, but for crimes you have really committed, not against the law, but within the law, we are not like you at all and we will not use illegal means to put you in jail, you will be going to jail but on real charges and for real crimes you have committed.

mtgoat666 - 8-30-2012 at 03:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53
Nomads
I have an obligation to act in an honest way here on this forum, even when it is not in my best interest, I have to share with you some new information I have on the Nark...


sounds like ramsanus owes nark an apology!

wonder how many other things dufus ramsanus has gotten wrong??????

ramuma53 - 8-30-2012 at 05:15 PM

On this one I accept we were being misslead but on all the other ones we are sure first hand, also a criminal does not deserve an apology.

We accept we were wrong because we don't want him to be prosecuted for a crime he may have not commited, hope he were as honest as we are, because 6 people spent 6 monts in jail because of his false accusations, but we are not their kind, we want to remark this fact, that is why we accept and share the information that may aquit him of this may be false accusation.

We will not favor one criminal over another or help one against another.

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-31-2012 at 05:14 AM


mcfez - 8-31-2012 at 07:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Summary

Rafael Munoz Martinez falsely accused an innocent person of sexual assault for personal gain.

= willful open and notorious defamation of character with intent to defraud



[Edited on 8-31-2012 by gnukid]



David K - 8-31-2012 at 09:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53
On this one I accept we were being misslead but on all the other ones we are sure first hand, also a criminal does not deserve an apology.

We accept we were wrong because we don't want him to be prosecuted for a crime he may have not commited, hope he were as honest as we are, because 6 people spent 6 monts in jail because of his false accusations, but we are not their kind, we want to remark this fact, that is why we accept and share the information that may aquit him of this may be false accusation.

We will not favor one criminal over another or help one against another.


Hi name is Mark. While we heard all about this trumped up charge, I didn't bring it up before because it is just plain disgusting. That you knew the details BEFORE they were made public makes YOU guilty of creating the whole incident, just the same way you created the turtle soup event... Shame shame...

Fessing up on this horrible accusation is a good beginning Sr. Muñoz... now please end the other false claims you have made and live in peace with you neighbors, the good people Mark and Olivia.

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