Turtle bust

Diana, this is a lie: "But you are the self-proclaimed expert on ALL things Baja."

Provide the proof where I EVER said such a crazy thing. I will never live long enough to know all things Baja... and all things are far to vast for anyone to have such knowledge. I only offer travel assistance and historic data of the peninsula as an interested person, not an expert.

Until then stop the personal attacks, they are insulting.

I have tried SO MUCH to be nice to you... Obviously, random acts of kindness don't have much meaning to you?

Since I have never seen that turtle eating story before YOU posted it, I simply asked where you got such info, and why has there been not outcry here... period.

Our last time staying at Bahia de los Angeles was New Years weekend 2009, on our way to investigating the walls and sleeping circles that Choral Pepper (on an Erle Stanley Gardner expedition) in 1966 photographed and believed was a lost mission project, depicted on a Jesuit 1757 map, but never completed.

We came within 20 mils of Bahia de los Angeles last July, after a wonderful visit and tour of Mision San Borja with the most gracious host, Jose, and some of his children. Jose and his family offer the finest of backcountry hospitality and great tour service to visit historic sites... Ever ride a mule on the El Camino Real? Jose can make it happen...

Of course, being a nice person just doesn't always work for you... as we have seen here in the past.

Oh well, I will probably keep being nice to you and just let others judge you by your insults to me, Jose, and others you wish to make enemies with.
You do take great photographs!

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Originally posted by David K Diana, this is a lie: "But you are the self-proclaimed expert on ALL things Baja." Provide the proof where I EVER said such a crazy thing. I will never live long enough to know all things Baja... and all things are far to vast for anyone to have such knowledge. I only offer travel assistance and historic data of the peninsula as an interested person, not an expert. Until then stop the personal attacks, they are insulting. I have tried SO MUCH to be nice to you... Obviously, random acts of kindness don't have much meaning to you? Since I have never seen that turtle eating story before YOU posted it, I simply asked where you got such info, and why has there been not outcry here... period. Our last time staying at Bahia de los Angeles was New Years weekend 2009, on our way to investigating the walls and sleeping circles that Choral Pepper (on an Erle Stanley Gardner expedition) in 1966 photographed and believed was a lost mission project, depicted on a Jesuit 1757 map, but never completed. We came within 20 mils of Bahia de los Angeles last July, after a wonderful visit and tour of Mision San Borja with the most gracious host, Jose, and some of his children. Jose and his family offer the finest of backcountry hospitality and great tour service to visit historic sites... Ever ride a mule on the El Camino Real? Jose can make it happen... Of course, being a nice person just doesn't always work for you... as we have seen here in the past. Oh well, I will probably keep being nice to you and just let others judge you by your insults to me, Jose, and others you wish to make enemies with. You do take great photographs!

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Originally posted by DianaT Quote: Originally posted by David K Quote: Originally posted by DianaT You are aware, I am sure, that the Turtle Project at Bahia de Los Angeles is no longer and according to what we were told, when it ended all the turtles were eaten. No, when was it reported and being such a fantastic story, why no multi-page outrage here on Nomad? Even if true, why not encourage Muñoz to start one? Let's see---using words like "such a fantastic story" and :"Even if true" are not asking, they are accusing someone of lying. My original response to you was simply asking you if you were aware that it was closed----but since you were not, you start with the attack--- And now, why don't you get off the San Borja story---you were NOT there and you do not know what happened---what I reported was not an insult to Jose, it was what happened----the kids were being pushed by the young ADULT son of Jose, the current woman tour guide and Jose's wife to ask for more and more money----an unfortunate happening that does not lead to comfortable feelings. If your experience was different, so be it. But get off your continual attack to say that what we experienced was not what happened and that we are just trying to insult Jose. You have done this over and over about this and other things. You are not a nice person---you only post comments that sound nice so that the next time you attack, you can say, oh, look at me, look at me, I am such a nice person. You are more like the coiled snake just playing nice and waiting for the next opportunity to strike with your venom surrounded by false honey. And it is not possible to insult you-- But this is off topic for the thread ---a thread where you have accused another person of lying when you know nothing about what happened; a similar pattern for you. Mr. Munoz, I apologize to you for this interruption. I still do not know for sure what all has happened in your land case and will keep an open mind. We know people who very much like Mark and Olivia, but as I said before, just because some nomads like someone does not necessarily make them an honest and ethical person. Still watching this one. [Edited on 7-17-2010 by DianaT]

Well well well. Very interesting.

Can you show us the map and info?


I guess you were wrong David,

THE PLACE IS SIGNIFICANT!

The search is always good, as long as the truth still has a small t.

Bajatripper,

You are very correct about the things about which DK is very knowledgeable---and it is good when he helps people with those things. In those things he is the nice guy----but won't go into the history of the other--not neccessary.

San Borja,
We will continue to visit as we really like it and love showing it to other people. But our experiences have been similar to yours--- In other remote areas of Baja and the Mainland of Mexico and in Central and South America we have interacted with the locals under similar circumstances and we are always very generous as we do understand the need and desire of people to make a living, but the pressure at San Borja has been on the extreme extreme side, unless one is talking about parts of Peru---but that is a different story. And as you said, it is different for different people.

Have enjoyed your posts----we have a separate guest room in Bahia Asuncion-----

Back to turtles. On another thread, someone said they had real information about this situation---I hope they post it.

SKEET

Thanks Skeeter... like the change of pace..

And We're Off, Ladies and Gentlemen!

skeet,
prices like that make me think you are expecting to make gains like typical poachers. poachers are scum, and should be jailed.
there is another thread here where you can compare turtle stew recipes with olivia and DK. perhaps some of the turtle eaters will take you up on your offer

Ahhh, see happy hour has begun

I will drink to that

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Originally posted by desertcpl I will drink to that

On the lots for sale in Bahia Concepcion

Looks like nobody is there anymore, they just dropped the add and disappeared, not even an answer or more information asked for.

Santa Rosalia city officials say that, no permit for sale or development has been granted to anybody on that land and they know clearly it is covered by my title, so they would have noticed right away and not allow it in anyway, because it would be in conflict with the information they have on the Public Registry and Cadastral files.

A sale with the city permit F4 mean, that they already had F1, F2, F3 done and granted and that is simply not true, because councilman must be informed and none of them know anything; we checked with Catastro and they say certainly no permit has been granted and they mean F1 or any at all.

That mean that since they said that they have 2 lots already sold, they are violating the Estate penal code and committing Fraud, specifically “Fraude Equiparado” for dividing and selling lots without the due permit and the 2 buyers are welcomed to start the criminal procedures that will return their money and has a penalty of 6 to 12 years in jail to anyone involved and is considered a heavy penalty that allow no bail bond to be granted.

Looks like a fraud was defused thanks to this thread and some people say we lose our time writing and reading it.


[Edited on 7-19-2010 by ramuma53]

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Originally posted by toneart Quote: Originally posted by 24baja blah blah blah blah blah.....thought I'd run up a post number, this is insane reading and it will never end, i am so glad i am not living this! Ooops! Your post here reveals that you have read the whole insane string. And your "blah blah blah blah" is perhaps the best and most relevant contribution anyone has thus far made. Conclusion: Not only are you living it; This is your life! And, since "it will never end", you are a Zombie just like the rest of us, condemned to an eternity of insane, Nomadic absorption.

Yikes, we're up to TWO Cookie Monsters, and I still have pages to go before I reach the end! What a CLIFF-HANGER!

[Edited on 7-19-2010 by MsTerieus]

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Originally posted by MsTerieus Quote: Originally posted by toneart Quote: Originally posted by 24baja blah blah blah blah blah.....thought I'd run up a post number, this is insane reading and it will never end, i am so glad i am not living this! Ooops! Your post here reveals that you have read the whole insane string. And your "blah blah blah blah" is perhaps the best and most relevant contribution anyone has thus far made. Conclusion: Not only are you living it; This is your life! And, since "it will never end", you are a Zombie just like the rest of us, condemned to an eternity of insane, Nomadic absorption. LOL, funny post! I'm a relative newbie, and I confess, I have wasted -- I mean spent -- a lot of time, myself, reading this post. I read most of it in late June. Today, I got caught up. And I have questions (in addition to Kat's, which CRACKED ME UP also!): Who the hell is Jesse, and/or where did his posts go??? I see all these posts (starting around page 74) ranting and raving against his posts, but wait: There ARE no posts by him! Did Jesse delete them? Did GREG delete them? Did Munoz pay Greg to delete them?? Has Jesse met with foul play?!? To be continued ...

I think Jesse deleted them. He is a restaurant owner in LaPaz. There was a not-so-veiled threat to him and he bailed.
I think you mean Doug instead of Greg.

Here is the Zombie again:

Correct spelling is noobie...

Partial answer Ken. Take your turn in line. (seriously, I agree with you) Now, give everyone a try at the rest of it.

Seriously, if so many folks here have decided that the dude is Mano Negro, or Ricky Martin, or Cesar Rosas, or Piolin, Etc, Etc, what the F does the rest of it mean. I'm just speculating that if this guy is so tricked out, there must be some meaning behind it.

[Edited on 7-19-2010 by Bajahowodd]

Gotta have you over for a game of anagrams, Ron. Problem is that I think you'll win. Damn!

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Originally posted by BajaGringo Correct spelling is noobie...

I want to be Sr. Munoz. After all, I AM an ... oh never mind.

I'll watch it when it hits the tv

You have already been cast.... don't worry about your lines... your going to be on the "pole"...

That's what you think !!!!

The question is who are going to be the sea turtles ??????

Or the dead and alive Eddy who want to live under a palm tree in Baja.

Who want to be Olivia ????????

[Edited on 7-20-2010 by ramuma53]

Looked like a bad acid trip on the movies to me...

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Originally posted by ramuma53 The question is who are going to be the sea turtles ?????? Or the dead and alive Eddy who want to live under a palm tree in Baja. Who want to be Olivia ???????? [Edited on 7-20-2010 by ramuma53]

Turtles, no problem.. all done in high end graphics .. Avatar

As for someone under a palm tree in Baja.. if we give him little lines and have Tecate as a sponsor... that takes care of that...

But, Olivia.. now that poses a real problem... should be Mexican.. beautiful, and really hot and ready for a really difficult part, with many facets to the personality... my self ... thinking along the lines of the Salma Hayek who play (Santanico Pandemonium) and dances to the music of Tito & Tarantula in the movie "Dusk to Dawn" a Quentin Tarantino film.. if you whish we could leave in the vampires.. as seems to be a lot of blood suckers in the Real Estate business, both here and in the United States...

[Edited on 7-20-2010 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 7-20-2010 by wessongroup]

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Originally posted by wessongroup Quote: Originally posted by ramuma53 The question is who are going to be the sea turtles ?????? Or the dead and alive Eddy who want to live under a palm tree in Baja. Who want to be Olivia ???????? [Edited on 7-20-2010 by ramuma53] Turtles, no problem.. all done in high end graphics .. Avatar As for someone under a palm tree in Baja.. if we give him little lines and have Tecate as a sponsor... that takes care of that... But, Olivia.. now that poses a really problem... should be Mexican.. beautiful, and really hot and ready for a really difficult part, with many facets to the personality... my self ... thinking along the lines of the Salma Hayek who play (Santanico Pandemonium) and dances to the music of Tito & Tarantula in the movie "Dusk to Dawn" a Quentin Tarantino film.. if you whish we could leave in the vampires.. as seems to be a lot of blood suckers in the Real Estate business, both here and in the United States... [Edited on 7-20-2010 by wessongroup]

Perhaps G J could weigh in with a chefs suggestion to play Olivia??? Blood sucking vampires Realtors could suggest a few names..............you dancing now that I'd pay to see !!!!

Good one.. that would be ... oh my gwad... what a sight..

thanks I needed that..

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja Quote: Originally posted by David K ............... the walls and sleeping circles that Choral Pepper (on an Erle Stanley Gardner expedition) in 1966 photographed and believed was a lost mission project, depicted on a Jesuit 1757 map, but never completed. Well well well. Very interesting. Can you show us the map and info? I guess you were wrong David, THE PLACE IS SIGNIFICANT!

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Originally posted by David K Quote: Originally posted by Sharksbaja Quote: Originally posted by David K ............... the walls and sleeping circles that Choral Pepper (on an Erle Stanley Gardner expedition) in 1966 photographed and believed was a lost mission project, depicted on a Jesuit 1757 map, but never completed. Well well well. Very interesting. Can you show us the map and info? I guess you were wrong David, THE PLACE IS SIGNIFICANT! Yes, it can be seen... you saw it, but asked me if it was the site... I drove nearly 500 miles to confirm it was the same as I had showed with the 1966 photos on the Internet for many years at VivaBaja.com. It was Choral's wish that I re-find the site she saw in '66, it was most wonderful that you shared a Google Earth image that seemed to be a wall after my many years of searching (with others of Nomad, as well) had yet to find... I asked how you would like to be mentioned in the article I would be writing as the initial re-discoverer of the 1966 discovery. It really is a shame that you changed your positive involvement in this fun find. I went to the lead area archeologist to see if there was anything significant or warrented secrecy, via phone (thanks to connection help from Barry A)... There was no reason given to me to not share the site. I also sent the details Dr. Mathes, considered the lead authority on Baja missions... he had no comeback. Another published mission historian said there is no eveidence that the mission proposed site on the 1757 map ever was started, let alone occupied. It was a site important only to Choral and fans of her book and magazine... Archeologists and other published historians see it differently... The site remains there for Pepper fans and history fans to enjoy and theorize the wall's purpose. It is significant as another mystery of the desert, of which there are many... No reason that all who wish to see it should be denied... http://vivabaja.com/109

[Edited on 7-22-2010 by desertcpl]

[Edited on 7-22-2010 by desertcpl]

SkipJackjoe
I see that you start to accept facts, but keep raising doubts that do not exist.

You say unsupported accusations, but the sea turtle accusation on Olivia is not unsupported, she was caught by 4 different Federal government agencies together with the big pot on her hands.

On the other accusations she has under investigation, she accepted having committed the crimes on her first statements then changed, that is why she is also being prosecuted for lying to the authority.

On the drug unloading, 2 intelligence officials together witnessed one of those unloading and reported the fact.

On the injuries with intent to kill to Jimmy, just see the scars on his scalp to see how unsupported are the accusations.

Also, remember that a few days ago, an intent to avoid Eddy showing before Federal Authorities, including faking his dead, a rumor started by Olivia; well, he just finished with 3 days of heavy interrogatories before several Federal Authorities, everything on Olivia and her drug partners; he ended almost a ghost but finished giving the statements, now he is going under federal protection so we may never hear from him again.

Do all of this sound like unsupported accusations to a nice lady?????

The end is near and everybody knows it except Olivia and Narc.

Just keep reading this a little more and we will have the movie finishing with the bad guys going down as always, I just hope only the bad guys.

Ahhh Cypress. Not much to say to a bigot, sorry. Deleting such posts is your biz. You're just sore that some saw your bias remarks, oh and that Obama is YOUR president now! Oh btw, I don't drink booze, sorry again.


" was a lost mission project, depicted on a Jesuit 1757 map, but never completed"

David, until you quit expressing the find as an historic Jesuit site as you say is noted on an old map, I'll stop bothering you for the source of your comment.

Mr Munoz. As a lawyer yer already considered a shark and your case in cyberland here was lost when that was divulged. That means nobody , well almost nobody will give you the benefit of being honest. Do you trust sharks?

Public opinion I am afraid, will not be on your side in any argument here. Just a sad fact of life. Had you not been a lawyer you would probably have more believers, hence, favorable public opinion. It seems to me that all that matters here, with you, is your message, not the feedback you claim to be enjoying.

I know this hurts to hear and hard to say, but nobody trusts a lawyer. I've been taught that lawyers are just professional liars. A word you use liberally here . Frankly it's your kind of ilk that has kept me from putting much time into this forum.

The lengthy diatribe and resulting war going on in this thread is anything but what I originally joined for. I don't put much distance between this type of banter and DKs' or Cypress' pathetic political rhetoric. It's done nothing to unite Nomads. Why would someone want to hang with or party with people who despise others for their political preference or who are called names repeatedly. I'll admit though, you sometimes do sound like a lawyer


JMHO No need for rebuke.

Now with that I wish you all ado. Say g'nite Irene.......... G'nite Irene.

Sharksbaja, You are wrong about me deleting posts. If disagreeing with your political viewpoint makes me a bigot, I'll were that label proudly.

Yeah, Rafael is right about that one. Not even the Sports Illustrated Bikini models were able to hijack this thread...

Agreeing with BajaGringo...

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Originally posted by BajaGringo Yeah, Rafael is right about that one. Not even the Sports Illustrated Bikini models were able to hijack this thread...

Rafael, thank you for the insight of Mexico's legal system. God, I hope I never have to us it.

Edit: Spelling...

[Edited on 8-13-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]

I have not read this entire thread, nor do I intend to, but the last post by ramuma53 got my attention and is worth a comment. I agree with the info about Mexico's legal system. Been there, done that..a few times over the last 35 years..both winning and losing.

I could write a book ..and most likely will when I get the time.

"God, Mr. Gomez, and the Judge?"

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Originally posted by Pompano I have not read this entire thread, nor do I intend to, but the last post by ramuma53 got my attention and is worth a comment. I agree with the info about Mexico's legal system. Been there, done that..a few times over the last 35 years..both winning and losing. I could write a book ..and most likely will when I get the time. "God, Mr. Gomez, and the Judge?"

Oh, go ahead and read the whole thread, Roger. It is better than any novel you could read. Put this together with your personal experience and you have a guaranteed blockbuster of a book!

However, I do believe that you will have an even better book if you compile the travelogues and photos you have posted here through the years.

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Originally posted by toneart [ Oh, go ahead and read the whole thread, Roger. It is better than any novel you could read. Put this together with your personal experience and you have a guaranteed blockbuster of a book! However, I do believe that you will have an even better book if you compile the travelogues and photos you have posted here through the years.

Good Grief, Charlie Brown! Tony, you've got to be kidding, right? There's 86 pages of this stuff to wade through! I don't have that much Pacifico and Patron on hand.

Just give me the one-paragraph synopsis, okay? And as for writing and publishing about Baja, I'm waiting for a couple remaining survivors to expire before exposing them to the world. By the way, how's your health these days?