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RFClark - 9-24-2023 at 09:21 PM

DP,

You have the best chance of cooperation from the turmites!

Don Pisto - 9-24-2023 at 09:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
DP,

You have the best chance of cooperation from the turmites!



you and the Fonz never give up!:lol:

RFClark - 9-24-2023 at 10:47 PM

DP,

With your shield or on it! There’s no 3rd choice!

I meant “Termites” but on reflection “Turmites” works too!

[Edited on 9-25-2023 by RFClark]

JDCanuck - 9-25-2023 at 08:07 AM

As for the methane from cows, we can stop eating red meat or drinking milk as being presently pushed by the more famous influencers. Or we can change the feed we give the cows and in addition as is already being done, we can take steps to capture some of that methane from present waste and recycle it as a renewable energy source with CO2 capture and storage to deal with the harmful products. Also, we seldom hear of the advantages of Methane fueled fuel cells anymore, although apparently it is being used in more and more vehicles.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/seaweed-tru-...
https://auduboncompanies.com/converting-farm-methane-emissio...




[Edited on 9-25-2023 by JDCanuck]

SFandH - 9-25-2023 at 03:56 PM

I think methane from the melting permafrost is more of a concern.

AKgringo - 9-25-2023 at 07:31 PM

Land fills are a major source of methane production! Twenty-five years ago I was involved in construction of a new landfill near Anchorage, and capturing and using the methane generated was part of the plan.

Within the last year I recall a news broadcast that featured a land fill somewhere near me in Northern CA that was using the methane created there to supplement a fleet of natural gas fired equipment.

I imagine that most older facilities either release the gas to the atmosphere, or possibly have a way to flare it to reduce the release.

mtgoat666 - 9-25-2023 at 07:33 PM

I like eating meat more than driving a full size pickup. Given a choice between large trucks and good food, i will choose good food.

Sacrifices must be made. Your driving an outrageously large truck to get groceries or commute to your cubicle job is a privilege not a right. If you cant afford the gas, ride a scooter or take the bus.
If you cant afford to tow a boat, then go rent one at the marina.
If you cant afford to tow a 5th wheel, then dont be a pussy and learn how to car camp.
If you cant afford something, learn to do w/o, or get a better-paying job

Tioloco - 9-25-2023 at 10:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Cálmate tio


Estoy bien gracias

mtgoat666 - 9-27-2023 at 11:52 AM

Mammals’ Time on Earth Is Half Over, Scientists Predict

A new model suggests that in 250 million years, all land will collide into a supercontinent that boosts warming and pushes mammals to extinction.

It’s been about 250 million years since reptile-like animals evolved into mammals. Now a team of scientists is predicting that mammals may have only another 250 million years left.

The researchers built a virtual simulation of our future world, similar to the models that have projected human-caused global warming over the next century. Using data on the movement of the continents across the planet, as well as fluctuations in the chemical makeup of atmosphere, the new study projected much further into the future.

Alexander Farnsworth, a paleoclimate scientist at the University of Bristol who led the team, said that the planet might become too hot for any mammals — ourselves included — to survive on land. The researchers found that the climate will turn deadly thanks to three factors: a brighter sun, a change in the geography of the continents and increases in carbon dioxide.

“It’s a triple whammy that becomes unsurvivable,” Dr. Farnsworth said. He and his colleagues published their study on Monday in the journal Nature Geoscience.

Scientists have been trying for decades to foretell the fate of life on Earth. Astronomers expect that our sun will grow steadily brighter and, in about 7.6 billion years, may engulf the Earth.

But life probably will not make it that long. As the sun hurls more energy at the planet, Earth’s atmosphere will heat up, causing more water to evaporate from the oceans and continents. Water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas, and so it will trap even more heat. It may get hot enough in two billion years to boil away the oceans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/science/future-earth-warm...

:wow:
We are doomed! Give up!
:wow:

Lee - 9-27-2023 at 12:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Mammals’ Time on Earth Is Half Over, Scientists Predict

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/science/future-earth-warm...

:wow:
We are doomed! Give up!
:wow:


Almost as meaningless as Andromeda merging with the Milky Way in 4.5 Billion years.

Might be a parallel with Sisyphus. What's the point in losing sleep over climate change.

The hits just keep on coming.

mtgoat666 - 9-27-2023 at 06:42 PM

pauldavidmena - 9-28-2023 at 07:56 AM

This NPR article offers a glimmer of hope on the climate change front, citing the deployment of several climate-friendly technologies since 2021.

JDCanuck - 9-28-2023 at 01:45 PM

Solar Power finally producing enough of the power mix to overcome extreme temp AC demands in Texas. How is Baja California holding up?
https://electrek.co/2023/09/28/solar-wind-texas-grid-summer-...

Tioloco - 9-28-2023 at 05:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Solar Power finally producing enough of the power mix to overcome extreme temp AC demands in Texas. How is Baja California holding up?
https://electrek.co/2023/09/28/solar-wind-texas-grid-summer-...


One important point-
They dont charge when cloudy, rainy or of course at night. So the main grid is still required to be ready to carry the full load all the time.

If regulations were more reasonable, there would be more nuclear plants pulling the load very economically.

JDCanuck - 9-28-2023 at 06:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Solar Power finally producing enough of the power mix to overcome extreme temp AC demands in Texas. How is Baja California holding up?
https://electrek.co/2023/09/28/solar-wind-texas-grid-summer-...


One important point-
They dont charge when cloudy, rainy or of course at night. So the main grid is still required to be ready to carry the full load all the time.

If regulations were more reasonable, there would be more nuclear plants pulling the load very economically.


The big challenge is in managing when non-essential loads are applied, similar to my solar home. Electric hot water heaters, water distillers, EV charging etc. are not needed for short periods when no solar or wind power is available and priority can then be shifted to supply AC, lighting, water pumps, fridges, laundry and cooking.




[Edited on 9-29-2023 by JDCanuck]

Skipjack Joe - 9-28-2023 at 11:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  


Since everyone passes gas 7.3 billion people probably pass more gas than 340 million Americans.



I don't know about that. I made a significant contribution last night. Phew!! It was bad.

RFClark - 9-29-2023 at 10:15 AM

Scientific Revelation!

Trees need rain so they help generate clouds!

Dah! The fact that trees produce rain has been known since the 1700s. All the british islands in the Caribbean had water boards that managed “woods for the protection of the rains”!

https://www.jstor.org/stable/621569

https://www.wired.com/story/a-revelation-about-trees-is-mess...

https://www.learningfromnature.com.au/drought-proof-increasi...

[Edited on 9-29-2023 by RFClark]

[Edited on 9-29-2023 by RFClark]

RFClark - 9-29-2023 at 12:01 PM

How’s Baja doing? It’s doing fine.

Solar “net 0” home update.

We’ve been operating the house AC system for almost 2 months now. In September we started to AC the entire house.

As planed we control the humidity and temperature in the master BR 24/7. We have discovered that running the AC (1 ton) for 30 min at bedtime and for 15 min every hour or so until 9:00AM keeps the BR at 26C.

We found we had enough excess battery capacity to also run the ACs in the living room and kitchen for 15 min each from 6:00 to 9:00. All the run times are staggered so only one AC is running at any one time in order to increase battery efficency.

Employing scheduled operation of all the ACs maintains an overnight temperature of 26C to 28C in the house while not running the batteries below 60%.

Originally it required 3-4 days to dry out the interior of the house. During this period about 4KW/Hr were required for cooling. Currently 2.5KW/Hr maintains the same temperature.

We currently have enough excess solar capacity to charge our PHEV about 30mi per day as well.

We cook with electricity. We use some propane for hot water.

RFClark - 9-30-2023 at 11:05 AM

L,

We have solar hot water. We have a 100’ run to the house that is in direct sun. The water is warm enough for everything except the dishwasher.

RFClark - 10-1-2023 at 02:16 PM

El Nino update,

The end is probably not nigh!

https://cosmosmagazine.com/news/why-we-wont-have-a-super-el-...

[Edited on 10-1-2023 by RFClark]

RFClark - 10-5-2023 at 03:14 AM

Inorganic methane venting proposed as a potential major source of global warming in the past

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/10/ocean-floor-craters-...

mtgoat666 - 10-5-2023 at 06:16 PM

In 'Laudate Deum,' Pope Francis presents a compelling climate crisis apologia
https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/ncr-voices/laudate-deum-po...

Francis Issues Urgent Call to Save a Planet Near ‘the Breaking Point’
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/world/europe/pope-francis...

Pope Francis lambasts climate change skeptics and ‘irresponsible’ Western lifestyles
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/world/pope-francis-climate-ch...




[Edited on 10-6-2023 by mtgoat666]

surabi - 10-5-2023 at 06:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
El Nino update,

The end is probably not nigh!

https://cosmosmagazine.com/news/why-we-wont-have-a-super-el-...

[Edited on 10-1-2023 by RFClark]


Ask the 100 dolphins who basically cooked in over 100 degree water in the Amazon this week if "the end is nigh".

mtgoat666 - 10-14-2023 at 04:45 PM

Alarming headlines this week!


September 2023 was Earth’s most extreme month for heat ever recorded

Climate change could make beer taste worse
Heat is affecting the hop quality!

I Study Climate Change. The Data Is Telling Us Something New.
“… there is increasing evidence that global warming has accelerated over the past 15 years rather than continued at a gradual, steady pace. That acceleration means that the effects of climate change we are already seeing — extreme heat waves, wildfires, rainfall and sea level rise — will only grow more severe in the coming years.”



RFClark - 10-14-2023 at 04:56 PM

Hay Goat here’s something to really worry about. Mother Nature is out to get you!

Large methane leaks discovered in the Baltic Sea

https://www.earth.com/news/large-methane-leaks-discovered-in...

Potential source of ancient methane eruption identified
Seabed eruptions tied to the start of a sudden warming event 56 million years ago.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/10/ocean-floor-craters-...

S,

Or the birds!

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/09/1204641722/nearly-1-000-migra...


[Edited on 10-14-2023 by RFClark]

[Edited on 10-15-2023 by RFClark]

Cliffy - 10-14-2023 at 05:21 PM

The sky is falling!
The sky is falling!
Run and take cover!
Chicken Little

Far to little data over a far to short a time span in the earth's history to draw a conclusion.

CO2 is good for plants Lots more CO2 when the dinos walked the earth. Same for temperature

Consider also the original starting point of data collection 40 years ago being debunked and thrown out by even the author as bad data and analysis but of course no one remembers that little tidbit of history do they?

I'm betting we could analyze data from thousands or millions of years ago and draw the same conclusions about "climate" as we do now with the recent data we are using if we cherry picked the time frame of data collection.

The seas have risen AND fallen in the past just like they will in the future.

There's a difference between "weather" and "climate" only some want to conflate the two.

It does make for a nice industry for funding and jobs though.

There are some very well credentialed scientists out there with the opposite position as to the current hysteria it portends.

But alas I guess we just shut down any opposing viewpoints as heretics

Today's Witch Hunts brought forward 300 years.

RFClark - 10-14-2023 at 11:26 PM

Goat,

If the Naples volcano erupts or some island in Indonesia you’e never heard of blows up you’ll be talking about the danger of global cooling. Then there’s the solar maximum coming and the FAA says someone is going to get killed by a falling StarLink satellite!

It’s the “disaster du jour”!

JDCanuck - 10-15-2023 at 07:58 AM

Interesting you should mention that solar activity is a major contributor to global warmth. Present cycle named Solar 25 has so far outperformed the previous predictions, and won't be peaking for a couple more years. Musk and Starlink suffered some additional unexpected ill effects back in 2022.

"The thermosphere expands as it warms," Mlynczak said, resulting in "increased aerodynamic drag on all satellites and on space debris." This increased drag can pull satellites closer to Earth, he said, which could cause satellites to crash into one another or completely fall out of orbit, as SpaceX Starlink satellites did in February 2022 after a surprise geomagnetic storm.

https://www.livescience.com/space/the-sun/earths-thermospher...

[Edited on 10-15-2023 by JDCanuck]

Greta gets nicked

RFClark - 10-17-2023 at 10:59 AM

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/climate-activist-greta-thun...



[Edited on 10-18-2023 by BajaNomad]

mtgoat666 - 10-17-2023 at 06:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/climate-activist-greta-thun...

And that picture you posted has NOTHING to do with Greta. Tabloid journalism at its best. :rolleyes:


A more timely and accurate photo:

Cliffy - 10-17-2023 at 10:56 PM

How come no one ever talks about the cooling affects of clouds and the more CO2 means better tree and green plant growth?
More plant growth (proven event since the additional CO2 has been tracked) means more O2 for us- doesn't it?

The sun beats down on the earth and sea and that makes more clouds thus causing a larger cooling affect on the entire atmosphere.

Why has no one even talked about that phenomenon?

Seems to be a self regulating event for the most part

And "those in the know" won't even acknowledge the hundreds of very well degreed scientists that disagree with the climate narrative proffered by the "sky is falling crowd". Why not? Do they not have a valid opposing opinion ? They are just a credentialed as anyone on the proponent side of the argument.

Why is it that one side always wants to shut down all conversation that they do not agree with?

RFClark - 10-18-2023 at 09:22 AM

“When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late.”

Frank Hubert

Even though this is a quote from a novel it seems to be accurate in this case. Humans as the heavies in climate change has become a religion.

From the Aljazeera article:

“Protesters held aloft banners and chanted “oily money out” and “cancel the conference,” while some lit yellow and pink smoke flares.

Two activists from the environmental group Greenpeace abseiled down from the roof of the hotel to unfurl a giant banner reading, “Make Big Oil Pay.”

Here’s some “interesting factoids”:

Russia is the world's second largest oil exporter and is expected to export around 6 million bpd by 2023. The country's oil and gas industry is a crucial engine of its economy, accounting for more than half of its export revenues.

China is the world’s largest coal producer accounting for more than 50% of the world’s production and use.

Just saying, perhaps those who post here can show pictures of climate protesters with signs critiquing either Russia or China, but I haven’t seen any!

Saying more than this becomes Politics!

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[Edited on 10-18-2023 by RFClark]

surabi - 10-18-2023 at 10:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
How come no one ever talks about the cooling affects of clouds and the more CO2 means better tree and green plant growth?
More plant growth (proven event since the additional CO2 has been tracked) means more O2 for us- doesn't it?

The sun beats down on the earth and sea and that makes more clouds thus causing a larger cooling affect on the entire atmosphere.

Why has no one even talked about that phenomenon?

Seems to be a self regulating event for the most part

And "those in the know" won't even acknowledge the hundreds of very well degreed scientists that disagree with the climate narrative proffered by the "sky is falling crowd". Why not? Do they not have a valid opposing opinion ? They are just a credentialed as anyone on the proponent side of the argument.

Why is it that one side always wants to shut down all conversation that they do not agree with?


No one talks about it because it's BS, Cliffy. If it were true that more CO2 is cooling the planet, the temperatures wouldn't be soaring to record temperatures, now would they?

mtgoat666 - 10-18-2023 at 11:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
climate change has become a religion.


I think you meant to say that denial is most like a religion. Denial is based on fantasy. Acceptance is based on science :light:

RFClark - 10-18-2023 at 11:36 AM

Goat & S,

And yet, when peer reviewed papers are posted that demonstrate the holes in your argument, rather than comments from you, just crickets. Dogma that can’t be debated is a hallmark of religion. Also crickets about Russia and China as the majority of the problem.

Trolls do sound just like crickets!

[Edited on 10-18-2023 by RFClark]

Cliffy - 10-18-2023 at 09:46 PM

The cooling affect of clouds was postulated by a very well credentialed scientist One of the "deniers"

I haven't heard any comments on the hundreds of scientists that disagree with the religion of climate hysteria "crickets"?

Lets see, we are extrapolating climate data taken over maybe 1/100,000,000 of the earths lifespan and predicting how the climate will change over the next 100 years HMMMM

The world has always had warmer and colder times.
Again what happened to the last Ice Age? The world warmed up
How about the oscillating earth axis as a contributory factor to climate change at various latitudes?
Anyone want to dive in on that one?
None of the preachers want to talk about that. I'm listening.

Seems also that NONE of the current crop of predictive tools used by the religion is actually tracking anywhere close to what is actually going on. Show me one! I think there are about 15-20 to choose from (If the data can be believed).

A new paper just out postulates that the current data is being biased by the algorithm currently in use allowing too much "massaging" for city island affects overall around the world.
Have any of you read that one?
Its all nothing but GIGO!

Didn't Gore say Florida would be under water by now?
But the palm tree is still above water just as it was 30 years ago.

As usual its easy to try and shut down opposing viewpoints when you can't debate point by point by name calling
Seems that runs rampant around here. .

RFClark - 10-18-2023 at 10:51 PM

Goat,

Personally, I listened to Art Bell and kathryn Kuhlman on AM radio because in the ‘70s that was all you could get between Van Horn and San Antonio at night. I read the National Enquirer because they printed the news the other outlets wouldn’t touch. The story about Gary Hart and his mistress comes to mind here.

surabi - 10-25-2023 at 08:20 AM

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/earth-vital-signs-worse-time-14003...

Otis Forecasting Model Failure

RFClark - 10-25-2023 at 01:57 PM

GIGO!

Changes in complex systems can’t be forecast until the systems themselves are better understood. Currently most experts admit the weather is not well understood.

Numerous “why doesn't the actual weather follow our models” articles have been posted here with only crickets in response from a particular group of posters.

Let’s just do something to prove we care won’t change the outcome or even slow the rate of change! The heavy hitters Russia, China, India and Iran need to take this seriously in order to make a difference! Note that they currently don’t! Mexico didn’t perhaps Otis will change that!

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surabi - 10-25-2023 at 02:31 PM

Hurricane Otis went from being a category 1 tropical storm to being a Category 5 monster hurricane in a matter of hours. Know why, Einstein? Because the ocean temperature offshore was hotter than it's ever been, which makes hurricanes gain incredible speed incredibly quickly. Know why, Einstein? Because of global warming caused by man-made climate change.

mtgoat666 - 10-25-2023 at 03:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  

GIGO!


Clarkie,
Garbage in, garbage out certainly describes your opinions on climate change!

Cliffy - 10-25-2023 at 07:46 PM

I guess we have never had a Cat 5 storm before in the history of the earth

What happened to the predictions of another coming Ice Age decades ago? Predictions by the best "scientists" in the world then?
What ever happened to Al Gore's predictions? Another icon of the climate change religion? I guess Florida should be under water by now ?
Let's see- didn't he start some kind of carbon exchange BUSINESS about that time to rake in the bucks while still riding around in a Gulfstream Jet ?

As far as I can tell the palm tree is still above water and has been for decades. I haven't even yet dug into the falsehoods of the afore mentioned recent posting.

All the hysteria is nothing but PREDICTIONS
When you can PREDICT the weather next month with some form of accuracy on a daily basis come back and tell me and I might yell in concert "The sky is falling"

Until then? FOLLOW THE MONEY just like we did with the jab!!!!

Hundreds of published scientific papers have been retracted in the last year due to false data claims. All because FUNDING for research is controlled by the narrative and not the science. No funding= No research= NO career Alternative voices even by internationally known scientists gets canceled for not toeing the line

Why no mention of one of the founders of Green Peace who has a counter argument? Not "educated" enough for a postulation?

JZ - 10-25-2023 at 08:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Hurricane Otis went from being a category 1 tropical storm to being a Category 5 monster hurricane in a matter of hours. Know why, Einstein? Because the ocean temperature offshore was hotter than it's ever been, which makes hurricanes gain incredible speed incredibly quickly. Know why, Einstein? Because of global warming caused by man-made climate change.


This has proven to be wrong a hundred times.

Still waiting for the Glacier age Mr. Spock predicted in 1979.

For 60 years you people have made these ridiculous predictions over and over. It is all about power and control.

If you care about clean energy, push nuclear. Until you do that, everything else is a lie.

surabi - 10-25-2023 at 09:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


If you care about clean energy, push nuclear.


Three Mile Island. Chernobyl. ***ushima. Ask the people with radiation poisoning if nuclear energy is "clean". Oh right, you can't- they're dead.

RFClark - 10-25-2023 at 10:34 PM

Troll,

Coal, the stuff that China uses 50% of, has killed legions more than nuclear without counting the people who have died of cancer from the radioactivity released by burning it!

JZ - 10-25-2023 at 10:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


If you care about clean energy, push nuclear.


Three Mile Island. Chernobyl. ***ushima. Ask the people with radiation poisoning if nuclear energy is "clean". Oh right, you can't- they're dead.


If you actually do your research you will find that Nuclear is far, far more safe than other energy sources. Combine that with how green it is.

Watch this to learn more about nuclear:
https://youtu.be/glM80kRWbes?si=HzUh0-cuEOeSkb6G


[Edited on 10-26-2023 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 10-26-2023 at 06:10 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


If you care about clean energy, push nuclear.


Three Mile Island. Chernobyl. ***ushima. Ask the people with radiation poisoning if nuclear energy is "clean". Oh right, you can't- they're dead.


If you actually do your research you will find that Nuclear is far, far more safe than other energy sources. Combine that with how green it is.

Watch this to learn more about nuclear:
https://youtu.be/glM80kRWbes?si=HzUh0-cuEOeSkb6G


[Edited on 10-26-2023 by JZ]


A youtube video! I feel so much safer now!

RFClark - 10-26-2023 at 12:07 PM

Goat,

Is this better? Notice who’s building lots of new plants! It’s not the US or Mexico!

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-fu...



mtgoat666 - 10-26-2023 at 04:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Goat,

Is this better? Notice who’s building lots of new plants! It’s not the US or Mexico!

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-fu...


Ya, but usa has more nuclear generating capacity (95 gigawatts) than any other country. We generate over 30 percent of the world’s nuke electricity. Perhaps we dont need additional nuke generating capacity, and can better focus on windmills and PV :light:

You got a solution for the waste? Even red states don't want it!

RFClark - 10-26-2023 at 05:40 PM

Goat,

Yes, a Space X heavy direct to the Sun!

surabi - 10-26-2023 at 07:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
How come no one ever talks about the cooling affects of clouds and the more CO2 means better tree and green plant growth?
More plant growth (proven event since the additional CO2 has been tracked) means more O2 for us- doesn't it?



Here ya go, Cliffy- educate yourself.

surabi - 10-26-2023 at 07:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Troll,

Coal, the stuff that China uses 50% of, has killed legions more than nuclear without counting the people who have died of cancer from the radioactivity released by burning it!


Mansplainer- I think we are all aware of the health and environmental issues regarding coal. Did I suggest that coal was a better alternative to nuclear? Of course I didn't, so what's your point? Wind, solar and other technologies that are being worked on are the clean alternative to nuclear and fossil fuels.

RFClark - 10-26-2023 at 09:48 PM

Troll,

Two words: Base Load!

surabi - 10-26-2023 at 09:57 PM

"While historically large power grids used unvarying power plants to meet the base load, there is no specific technical requirement for this to be so. The base load can equally well be met by the appropriate quantity of intermittent power sources and dispatchable generation."

surabi - 10-26-2023 at 09:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Hurricane Otis went from being a category 1 tropical storm to being a Category 5 monster hurricane in a matter of hours. Know why, Einstein? Because the ocean temperature offshore was hotter than it's ever been, which makes hurricanes gain incredible speed incredibly quickly. Know why, Einstein? Because of global warming caused by man-made climate change.


This has proven to be wrong a hundred times.




Oh, please do cite the hundred times this has been proven wrong.

RFClark - 10-26-2023 at 10:36 PM

Troll,

“ "While historically large power grids used unvarying power plants to meet the base load, there is no specific technical requirement for this to be so. The base load can equally well be met by the appropriate quantity of intermittent power sources and dispatchable generation.”

You have no idea what you are talking about!

surabi - 10-26-2023 at 10:42 PM

Suggest you tell that to the people on whose articles that quote from Wikipedia was based on.

Peters, Roger, Cherise Burda (2007-09-01). "The Basics on Base Load: Meeting Ontario's Base Load Electricity Demand with Renewable Power Sources" (PDF). Pembina Institute. Retrieved 2018-05-16.

Archer, Cristina L.; Jacobson, Mark Z. (November 2007). "Supplying Baseload Power and Reducing Transmission Requirements by Interconnecting Wind Farms". Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology. 46 (11): 1701–1717. Bibcode:2007JApMC..46.1701A. CiteSeerX 10.1.1.475.4620.

RFClark - 10-27-2023 at 05:05 AM

Troll,

Two more words: Ontario Hydro!

https://files.opg.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/grade9stude...

And two key quotes:

“In Ontario the wind blows strong enough to generate electricity 20% of the time”

“ Roughly 60 percent of Ontario's electricity is accounted for by three nuclear power plants: Pickering, Darlington and Bruce. No fatal accidents related to nuclear power have occurred in Ontario.”


caj13 - 10-27-2023 at 12:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
I guess we have never had a Cat 5 storm before in the history of the earth

What happened to the predictions of another coming Ice Age decades ago? Predictions by the best "scientists" in the world then?
What ever happened to Al Gore's predictions? Another icon of the climate change religion? I guess Florida should be under water by now ?
Let's see- didn't he start some kind of carbon exchange BUSINESS about that time to rake in the bucks while still riding around in a Gulfstream Jet ?

As far as I can tell the palm tree is still above water and has been for decades. I haven't even yet dug into the falsehoods of the afore mentioned recent posting.

All the hysteria is nothing but PREDICTIONS
When you can PREDICT the weather next month with some form of accuracy on a daily basis come back and tell me and I might yell in concert "The sky is falling"

Until then? FOLLOW THE MONEY just like we did with the jab!!!!

Hundreds of published scientific papers have been retracted in the last year due to false data claims. All because FUNDING for research is controlled by the narrative and not the science. No funding= No research= NO career Alternative voices even by internationally known scientists gets canceled for not toeing the line

Why no mention of one of the founders of Green Peace who has a counter argument? Not "educated" enough for a postulation?


Hey Cliffy - are you lying on purpose - or just poorly "informed" by bogus claims - or willfully ignorant?

There never was any scientific claims of a coming ice age in the 1970's. Popular Myth - never happened - look it up Cliffy - its all a bunch of bogus BS spouted by a bunch of deniers - who - in this group at least - get their climate science from a guy who repairs sprinklers - Believes the world is 6000 years old, and the earth is flat - literally Cliffy - that's your climate guru -

scientific papers retracted because of forged data - yup - who discovered that Data Cliffy? who questioned it - thats all part of the scientific method - it should have never gotten past the reviewers - but as soon as it did - and it got out to the scientific community at large - scientists called Bull chit -

But I don't recall any significant climate papers being withdrawn - are you aware of some? if so - can I get a citation on it - i would be very interested. But it kind of feels like you are trying to smear climate scientists by saying "scientists" falsified data - nope Cliffy - not how it works!

and this whole funding crap - bullchit - you have no idea how it works, how science is funded - by whom, how - the process - nothing!

seriously - 6 million people dead of covid world wide - and you still think its a political scam! right -

The very science you hate - thats the reason you are still alive Cliffy - picking and choosing "science" as enemies because of your political beliefs - sorry bucko - show me the data -

and for climate data - theres alot and it all tells the story you and your fellow deniers don't want to hear! Climate change is hear, it has huge economic effects, and its getting worse. Hows yourv insurance costs going cliffy? do you live in California? or florida? guess what - climate change - - and BTW we can now aply science to get a good estimate of how much worse climate events are because of global warming - but - well you know - thats science - and since you can't be bothered to educate yourself - how would you know that!

mtgoat666 - 10-27-2023 at 04:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
I guess we have never had a Cat 5 storm before in the history of the earth

What happened to the predictions of another coming Ice Age decades ago? Predictions by the best "scientists" in the world then?
What ever happened to Al Gore's predictions? Another icon of the climate change religion? I guess Florida should be under water by now ?
Let's see- didn't he start some kind of carbon exchange BUSINESS about that time to rake in the bucks while still riding around in a Gulfstream Jet ?

As far as I can tell the palm tree is still above water and has been for decades. I haven't even yet dug into the falsehoods of the afore mentioned recent posting.

All the hysteria is nothing but PREDICTIONS
When you can PREDICT the weather next month with some form of accuracy on a daily basis come back and tell me and I might yell in concert "The sky is falling"

Until then? FOLLOW THE MONEY just like we did with the jab!!!!

Hundreds of published scientific papers have been retracted in the last year due to false data claims. All because FUNDING for research is controlled by the narrative and not the science. No funding= No research= NO career Alternative voices even by internationally known scientists gets canceled for not toeing the line

Why no mention of one of the founders of Green Peace who has a counter argument? Not "educated" enough for a postulation?


Hey Cliffy - are you lying on purpose - or just poorly "informed" by bogus claims - or willfully ignorant?

There never was any scientific claims of a coming ice age in the 1970's. Popular Myth - never happened - look it up Cliffy - its all a bunch of bogus BS spouted by a bunch of deniers - who - in this group at least - get their climate science from a guy who repairs sprinklers - Believes the world is 6000 years old, and the earth is flat - literally Cliffy - that's your climate guru -

scientific papers retracted because of forged data - yup - who discovered that Data Cliffy? who questioned it - thats all part of the scientific method - it should have never gotten past the reviewers - but as soon as it did - and it got out to the scientific community at large - scientists called Bull chit -

But I don't recall any significant climate papers being withdrawn - are you aware of some? if so - can I get a citation on it - i would be very interested. But it kind of feels like you are trying to smear climate scientists by saying "scientists" falsified data - nope Cliffy - not how it works!

and this whole funding crap - bullchit - you have no idea how it works, how science is funded - by whom, how - the process - nothing!

seriously - 6 million people dead of covid world wide - and you still think its a political scam! right -

The very science you hate - thats the reason you are still alive Cliffy - picking and choosing "science" as enemies because of your political beliefs - sorry bucko - show me the data -

and for climate data - theres alot and it all tells the story you and your fellow deniers don't want to hear! Climate change is hear, it has huge economic effects, and its getting worse. Hows yourv insurance costs going cliffy? do you live in California? or florida? guess what - climate change - - and BTW we can now aply science to get a good estimate of how much worse climate events are because of global warming - but - well you know - thats science - and since you can't be bothered to educate yourself - how would you know that!


Caj:
Many of the denialists actually believe the misinformation they are fed by denialist media, no matter how whacky the misinformation.

RFClark - 10-27-2023 at 04:34 PM

Goat,

I’m not going to repost them but which part of all the models are junk don’t you get.

See below and remember the same can be said for most pre-‘70s engineering and science. It still can be said for Climate Science as the models still don’t work!

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2007/11/common-climate-misconceptions-1970s-global-cooling-concerns-lacked-todays-scientific-rigor-and-relevance/#: ~:text=Falling%20global%20temperatures%20from%201940,aerosol%20particles%20(see%20Wikipedia).

Cliffy - 10-27-2023 at 05:17 PM

I guess its "pile on Cliffy week" :-)
BTW I have no idea who you are referring to as my climate GURU, none what so ever.

So- what happened to the glaciers that made the Great Lakes?
Here's a cut from a NOAA publication- Am I to assume that the earth didn't warm up enough back then to melt glaciers 1 mile thick and covering an area from the north pole to Kansas? HMMM- I guess the world ended back then also and that was only 15,000 years ago.

"How the Great Lakes formed" NOAA

"During the last ice age, the mile-thick Laurentide ice sheet covered most of Canada and the northern contiguous United States. The massive weight and movement of this glacier gouged out the earth to form the lake basins. About 20,000 years ago, the climate warmed and the ice sheet retreated. Water from the melting glacier filled the basinsoffsite link, forming the Great Lakes. Approximately 3,000 years ago, the Great Lakes reached their present shapes and sizes. Today, the Great Lakes ecoregion contains a variety of habitats, including aquatic, forest, marsh, wetland, and dune ecosystems. Widely varying climate, soils, and topography support more than 3,500 species of plants and animals"

Did you read that? 'THE EARTH WARMED AND MELTED THE GLACIRERS by none other than NOAA
Are we melting glaciers a mile thick right now? And what if we did? Would the world end now and not back then instead?

The world's climate has ALWAYS been changing since the advent of time. Now is no different AND as noted NONE of the climate models actually is accurate.

How can anyone ascribe more hurricanes to a climate model or even warming by saying its something unusual when we don't even know ho many hurricanes we had 400 or 500 years ago?
As noted before, the time of data collection is way too short to provide insight into long term projections with the earth's climate.

Can you find me a climate model that is accurate?

You say I hate science but you have no idea what I know or believe. I disagree with many opinions about climate as do many well degreed scientists. That has nothing to do with hating science. Your argument there is specious.

Disagreeing and opposite points of view IS the scientific principle. Kowtowing to one side only is the anathema of the scientific process.

What do you say to the hundreds of well degreed scientists who disagree with the sky is falling mantra?

I'll pose another observation I made a long time ago- Why do so many treat humans on earth as something other than a normal progression of evolution on the earth?

Again the earth is not going to disappear anytime soon. The climate may/will change and the biomass on the earth will mutate to accept and handle any climate changes. It will all happen over many thousands of years just like it has happened before now. The earth and its inhabitants are very pliable.

Lee - 10-27-2023 at 05:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
I guess we have never had a Cat 5 storm before in the history of the earth

What happened to the predictions of another coming Ice Age decades ago? Predictions by the best "scientists" in the world then?
What ever happened to Al Gore's predictions? Another icon of the climate change religion? I guess Florida should be under water by now ?
Let's see- didn't he start some kind of carbon exchange BUSINESS about that time to rake in the bucks while still riding around in a Gulfstream Jet ?

As far as I can tell the palm tree is still above water and has been for decades. I haven't even yet dug into the falsehoods of the afore mentioned recent posting.

All the hysteria is nothing but PREDICTIONS
When you can PREDICT the weather next month with some form of accuracy on a daily basis come back and tell me and I might yell in concert "The sky is falling"

Until then? FOLLOW THE MONEY just like we did with the jab!!!!

Hundreds of published scientific papers have been retracted in the last year due to false data claims. All because FUNDING for research is controlled by the narrative and not the science. No funding= No research= NO career Alternative voices even by internationally known scientists gets canceled for not toeing the line

Why no mention of one of the founders of Green Peace who has a counter argument? Not "educated" enough for a postulation?


Hey Cliffy - are you lying on purpose - or just poorly "informed" by bogus claims - or willfully ignorant?

There never was any scientific claims of a coming ice age in the 1970's. Popular Myth - never happened - look it up Cliffy - its all a bunch of bogus BS spouted by a bunch of deniers - who - in this group at least - get their climate science from a guy who repairs sprinklers - Believes the world is 6000 years old, and the earth is flat - literally Cliffy - that's your climate guru -

scientific papers retracted because of forged data - yup - who discovered that Data Cliffy? who questioned it - thats all part of the scientific method - it should have never gotten past the reviewers - but as soon as it did - and it got out to the scientific community at large - scientists called Bull chit -

But I don't recall any significant climate papers being withdrawn - are you aware of some? if so - can I get a citation on it - i would be very interested. But it kind of feels like you are trying to smear climate scientists by saying "scientists" falsified data - nope Cliffy - not how it works!

and this whole funding crap - bullchit - you have no idea how it works, how science is funded - by whom, how - the process - nothing!

seriously - 6 million people dead of covid world wide - and you still think its a political scam! right -

The very science you hate - thats the reason you are still alive Cliffy - picking and choosing "science" as enemies because of your political beliefs - sorry bucko - show me the data -

and for climate data - theres alot and it all tells the story you and your fellow deniers don't want to hear! Climate change is hear, it has huge economic effects, and its getting worse. Hows yourv insurance costs going cliffy? do you live in California? or florida? guess what - climate change - - and BTW we can now aply science to get a good estimate of how much worse climate events are because of global warming - but - well you know - thats science - and since you can't be bothered to educate yourself - how would you know that!


Caj:
Many of the denialists actually believe the misinformation they are fed by denialist media, no matter how whacky the misinformation.


Like a broken record, JZ continues to claim he's still waiting for Spock's prediction of a coming ice age.

surabi - 10-27-2023 at 07:10 PM

All kinds of things happened on the planet, Cliffy. Not sure why you think anyone needs convincing of that.

The issue now is that rapid climate change is negatively affecting all living creatures and everything is interconnected. No, humans and animals are not capable of withstanding the kind of high temperatures and other climate intensities that are happening.

Pathetic that this has to be explained to you endlessly as if you were a 5 year old, and it still doesn't register in your brain.

RFClark - 10-27-2023 at 11:20 PM

That’s Hogwash!

The historical record of the time since the end of the last period of glaciation is littered with major volcanic events, sea floor methane eruptions, major solar flares and large impacts from space. Each of these events effected earth’s life not in decades but days. Please note that the majority of life is still here in spite of that and a far greater temperature increase than 1.5C! In fact that increase in temperature is why the seas rose 150M from all the melting ice.

In fact some of the most major events required painstaking research to even identify as having even occurred.

[Edited on 10-28-2023 by RFClark]

Russ - 10-28-2023 at 02:50 AM

Hogwash ? Without it what would "denialists" (I love that term) feed on?

JZ - 10-28-2023 at 05:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Russ  
Hogwash ? Without it what would "denialists" (I love that term) feed on?


Are you denying they have come up with a new climate calamity prediction every decade for the last 60 years and every one of them has been proven false?

Are you denying that that nothing the US does means anything until China, India, Russia, and all the 3rd world countries change course, which they won't.

Are you denying that if they really cared about the environment they would push nuclear instead of tearing up the Earth with ineffective solar and wind farms.

Are you denying all these climate activists are flying around the world in private jets and living lives that leave a carbon footprint 1000x bigger than the common person?

Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?


[Edited on 10-28-2023 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 10-28-2023 at 06:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by Russ  
Hogwash ? Without it what would "denialists" (I love that term) feed on?


Are you denying they have come up with a new climate calamity prediction every decade for the last 60 years and every one of them has been proven false?

Are you denying that that nothing the US does means anything until China, India, Russia, and all the 3rd world countries change course, which they won't.

Are you denying that if the ybeally cared about the environment they would push nuclear instead of tearing up the Eath with ineffective solar and wind farms.

Are you denying all these climate activists are flying around the world in private jets and living lives that leave a carbon footprint 1000x bigger than the common person?

Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?



I deny all of that!

Lee - 10-28-2023 at 09:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by Russ  
Hogwash ? Without it what would "denialists" (I love that term) feed on?


Are you denying they have come up with a new climate calamity prediction every decade for the last 60 years and every one of them has been proven false?

Your opinion. Doesn't mean a thing.

Are you denying that that nothing the US does means anything until China, India, Russia, and all the 3rd world countries change course, which they won't.

Doesn't matter what the rest of the world does.

Are you denying that if they really cared about the environment they would push nuclear instead of tearing up the Eath with ineffective solar and wind farms.

3 million + pounds of spent nuclear fuel that nobody wants. Let's just leave it at San Onofre until it leaks and there's a problem. You mean leaks again! Onofre closed in 2013 because of leaks.

Are you denying all these climate activists are flying around the world in private jets and living lives that leave a carbon footprint 1000x bigger than the common person?

Just sour grapes. It's the money, isn't it? Try withholding taxes if it bothers you. Walk the walk.

Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?

Please stop whining! Spreading conspiracy theories is pointless. Few think climate change brings power. Where did that come from? Gov't has a master plan to control the US?

[Edited on 10-28-2023 by JZ]

JZ - 10-28-2023 at 09:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by Russ  
Hogwash ? Without it what would "denialists" (I love that term) feed on?


Are you denying they have come up with a new climate calamity prediction every decade for the last 60 years and every one of them has been proven false?

Your opinion. Doesn't mean a thing.

Are you denying that that nothing the US does means anything until China, India, Russia, and all the 3rd world countries change course, which they won't.

Doesn't matter what the rest of the world does.

Are you denying that if they really cared about the environment they would push nuclear instead of tearing up the Eath with ineffective solar and wind farms.

3 million + pounds of spent nuclear fuel that nobody wants. Let's just leave it at San Onofre until it leaks and there's a problem. You mean leaks again! Onofre closed in 2013 because of leaks.

Are you denying all these climate activists are flying around the world in private jets and living lives that leave a carbon footprint 1000x bigger than the common person?

Just sour grapes. It's the money, isn't it? Try withholding taxes if it bothers you. Walk the walk.

Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?

Please stop whining! Spreading conspiracy theories is pointless. Few think climate change brings power. Where did that come from? Gov't has a master plan to control the US?

[Edited on 10-28-2023 by JZ]


How did you get be so good at carrying the water for the man?

RFClark - 10-28-2023 at 11:00 AM

Goat,

So you deny that China is building a lot of nuke power plants? I’ll bet that they will reprocess the fuel rods rather than store them as well!

surabi - 10-28-2023 at 11:24 AM

"Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?"

"Please stop whining! Spreading conspiracy theories is pointless. Few think climate change brings power. Where did that come from? Gov't has a master plan to control the US?"

Right wingers' have an overriding fear of being "controlled". They apply their conspiracy theories to everything which values the common good over selfish individualism. Climate change science and policies designed to mitigate man-made climate change means "they" are trying to control them, to take away their freedom. We've seen the same attitude with Covid restrictions, and many other things.

However, they actually have no problem with control- as long as they are in control and want to force everyone else to live according to their right-wing beliefs.

JZ - 10-28-2023 at 11:51 AM

You'd have to jump through a hundred mental hoops to be able to deny they are using climate fear to win votes.

They know damn well that all of their programs won't make one bit of difference. It's all about retaining power, control, and money.

That is the ultimate truth. Some see it (Goat) and don't care, some don't see it and are just naive pawns (Surabi), and some know it and speak out about it.

surabi - 10-28-2023 at 12:31 PM

"It's all about retaining power, control and money."

And you call me naive? The nature of politics is playing to one's constituents and telling them what you think will get you the votes.

And your party of choice is the poster child for that. And the puppet master of that party has lived his entire life based on acquiring power, control, and money. They are the only values he and the rest of them actually have.

JZ - 10-28-2023 at 02:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  


3 million + pounds of spent nuclear fuel that nobody wants.


Watch this. It can be re-used to create energy.
https://youtu.be/IzQ3gFRj0Bc?si=UAv-H3MIyheyAqbB

mtgoat666 - 10-28-2023 at 04:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
It's all about retaining power,


Raw power!
https://youtu.be/nLoz70aUpTE

Lee - 10-29-2023 at 08:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


How did you get be so good at carrying the water for the man?



Practice. Willing to carry water for anyone in need.

If nuclear waste was feasible, it would have happened by now. Carter nixed the idea and every President since has ignored the issues. What's that about? Bush, Obama, the Former Loser in Chief? Political hot potato? Don't know and don't care. Especially don't care what is being done in France, India or China.

Conspiracy to control people and gain power? Just nonsense.

RFClark - 10-29-2023 at 10:31 AM

Lee,

You really can’t be that unobservant, or can you? 55% of the power in Ontario Canada is from nuclear steam plants. China is building more new nuclear power plants than any other country. Are you saying that you don’t care what other countries are doing? You should because a world wide problem requires the whole world working to solve it!

JZ - 10-29-2023 at 11:07 AM

I can't take anyone seriously on climate concerns if they aren't advocating for more use of green energy nuclear.

Wind and solar farms don't work and just tear up the Earth.

surabi - 10-29-2023 at 12:07 PM

I can't take anyone seriously who says "wind and solar farms don't work".

RFClark - 10-29-2023 at 01:19 PM

Wind and solar don’t work as base load unless they are interconnected with large storage systems. The experience of South Australia being a prime and well documented example.

Take that seriously!

pacificobob - 10-29-2023 at 03:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
I can't take anyone seriously who says "wind and solar farms don't work".


I couldn't agree more surabi. The ignorance of the science denying fossil fuel fascists...is hard to conceal.

Don Pisto - 10-29-2023 at 04:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
I can't take anyone seriously who says "wind and solar farms don't work".


I couldn't agree more surabi. The ignorance of the science denying fossil fuel fascists...is hard to conceal.


consider the knuckleheads you're arguing with....why even bother?

RFClark - 10-29-2023 at 04:43 PM

Yes,

Noor is an integrated system. Which is great. Piecemeal solar and wind need huge amounts of storage to be reliable sources (base load).

Ontario Hydro is a good base load example because they have sufficient nuclear to cover their base load most of the time and when hydro is included, all of the time. In order to deal with peak loads they can start, modulate, or stop their other sources. Nuclear as currently implemented is generally on or off. Load or turbine trips in their lite water reactors “poison” the reactor for several days before it can be restarted.

A similar system for distributed green sources can currently best be met by pumped water impoundment (pumping water uphill to a large storage lake and then allowing it to flow back through the pumps which are now generators)

DWP in Los Angeles has had a system of this sort in place for decades. They had 3 - 10MW Hitachi turbo pumps that pumped water from Castiac lake up to Pyramid lake and return. The system predates large scale solar and wind. It originally used the Pacific Inter-tie to supply virtually free electricity from Hydro systems that had water flow requirements at night when loads were lite.

[Edited on 10-30-2023 by RFClark]

JZ - 10-29-2023 at 04:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
I can't take anyone seriously who says "wind and solar farms don't work".


I couldn't agree more surabi. The ignorance of the science denying fossil fuel fascists...is hard to conceal.


I suggest you listen to this guy who has worked on trying make renewables successful his entire life.

The problems are cost, use of land, energy storage, etc.
https://youtu.be/N-yALPEpV4w?si=RG1MyH8_Pb9mLSsW


And in before someone posts some rag attacking the messenger, not the message.

RFClark - 10-29-2023 at 04:54 PM

DP,

The “Knuckleheads” are those who’s engineering skills are limited to operating mechanical light switches generalizing about replacing base load generating capacity with green systems that are just beginning to have storage attached to them. Think Tesla here! Also think in about 10 years.

You did notice that the “adults” such as they are extended the operating life of Diablo Canyon because even they could see the looming disaster!

Early Major Snowfall in Greenland

RFClark - 10-30-2023 at 11:23 AM

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148826/unusual-snow...

surabi - 10-30-2023 at 12:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


The problems are cost, use of land, energy storage, etc.



There are problems associated with any technology. It's a matter of weighing the problems against the benefits.

RFClark - 10-30-2023 at 12:39 PM

The problem is not just with the limits of technology. The problem is also with the limits of people's understanding of the limits of technology.

Not understanding those limits makes it impossible to accurately forecast the actual benefits prior to investing in a new technology.

JZ - 10-30-2023 at 01:13 PM

Solar is fantastic for home and personal use. Not for the grid.

EV's are great for dense city environments. Not great for some other uses.

The problem is EV's being rammed down peoples' throats before the tech or infrastructure are ready for it.




[Edited on 10-30-2023 by JZ]

RFClark - 10-30-2023 at 01:22 PM

JZ,

We can do something about the climate. We have the technology to reduce the amount of sunlight.

What we don’t have is the worldwide agreement to do it. We also have a large group of people that for a variety of reasons don’t want to see that done.

In the end climate control won’t be attempted until and unless things actually get far worse.

caj13 - 10-30-2023 at 03:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Solar is fantastic for home and personal use. Not for the grid.

EV's are great for dense city environments. Not great for some other uses.

The problem is EV's being rammed down peoples' throats before the tech or infrastructure are ready for it.




[Edited on 10-30-2023 by JZ]


and exactly who has had buying an EV rammed down their throat? anyone here?
Exactly - so JZ - your statement destroys whatever credibility you might think you have! - it's clearly biased BS -which you spout trying to self justify your opinion (which is obviously not backed by actual fact)

caj13 - 10-30-2023 at 03:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Solar is fantastic for home and personal use. Not for the grid.

EV's are great for dense city environments. Not great for some other uses.

The problem is EV's being rammed down peoples' throats before the tech or infrastructure are ready for it.




[Edited on 10-30-2023 by JZ]


Lets see - My college reduced their Electric Bill by 2/3 just by putting up solar panel sun shades in the parking lots - it paid for itself in less than 3 years - So - no - its not personal or home use - its big time commercial use hooked to the grid- how is that? JZ - care to elaborate?

surabi - 10-30-2023 at 03:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


The problem is EV's being rammed down peoples' throats before the tech or infrastructure are ready for it.




[Edited on 10-30-2023 by JZ]


I have several friends who drive EVs. It wasn't "rammed down their throats", it was their considered choice. All of them are totally pleased with having made that choice. They have not experienced any issues with the tech or infrastructure.

When people like you refuse to care about the common good, and look for any excuse to justify their self-concerned attitude and world view, be it refusing to wear a mask during a pandemic, sneaking your dog into a no-pets hotel, or clinging to your fossil fuel burning vehicles or guns like a security blanket, that which is necessary to benefit society and the environment as a whole have to be "rammed down your throat". People who do the right thing without being forced to don't have these fears of being controlled.

[Edited on 10-30-2023 by surabi]

RFClark - 10-30-2023 at 05:17 PM

“ People who do the right thing without being forced to don't have these fears of being controlled.”

You’ll have to stipulate which jurisdiction your “the right thing” to do was issued by. It’s not the same in Canada, the US, or Mexico. If you lived or even visited Iran “the right thing” would to wear a headscarf! (Or at least the safe thing!)

mtgoat666 - 10-30-2023 at 05:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

The problem is EV's being rammed down peoples' throats before the tech or infrastructure are ready for it.
[Edited on 10-30-2023 by JZ]


Half pint,
You reaction of resistance to and fear of change is natural amongst your aging peer group. You are old and set in your ways, and your inelastic brain reacts to change with anger and fear.
You should not worry, be happy. You will likely be able to drive ice vehicles until the day you die.
Your kids will be buying e vehicles. Maybe they will show you how they work, hold your hand, help you past your fears.

RFClark - 10-30-2023 at 05:21 PM

Goat,

I don’t know if you're old but that generalization is wrong!

JZ - 10-31-2023 at 11:30 AM

A must watch. Getting worried for the mental health of these people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqiog8u6sgo

[Edited on 10-31-2023 by JZ]

RFClark - 10-31-2023 at 11:53 AM

When “science” becomes unquestionable dogma it stops being “science” and becomes “religion”.

The “good news” is they are going to screw around until weather modification is the only choice.

Note that China is building lots of near current sea level stuff in the South China Sea. What do you imagine it will do if that investment is threatened? In fact China just banned all private networked weather stations in china! Weather data is a state secret!

RFClark - 10-31-2023 at 01:43 PM

Yet more Dogma!
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